[01:52] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:03] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:12] <marcoagpinto> Heya
[06:31] <ducasse> good morning
[09:11] <Mekaneck> Allie: looks like they are back in offtopic as vagaj4 and misbehaving again. However they left. Just keep an eye on it please.
[09:17] <Allie> Mekaneck: ah stunning, ban evasion is something i can certainly look into
[09:17] <Mekaneck> thanks :)
[09:18] <Mekaneck> iirc you didn't ban them from #ubuntu-offtopic yesterday but just quieted them. They were banned from #ubuntu however.
[09:19] <Allie> Mekaneck: i shall have drone upgrade the ban if they return on v4
[09:19] <Mekaneck> they are still in offtopic as mundelj
[09:20] <Mekaneck> Allie: roger
[09:20] <Allie> a discussion is being had, since they do seem to be a particularly strong font of drivel.
[09:21] <Mekaneck> they probably used another IP or maybe a proxy to get in offtopic again
[09:21] <Mekaneck> alright
[09:21] <Allie> and whilst it mostly seems they want to make friends, not respecting "go away" is more of a problem
[09:23] <Mekaneck> this isn't acceptable: [03:11:17] <vagaj4> can i put my penis in acetone? [03:11:28] <vagaj4> just want to ask 
[09:25] <Mekaneck> Anyway, thanks Allie for looking into it :)
[10:51] <oerheks> Windows 11 is no longer compatible with Oracle VirtualBox, hurray for KVM!
[11:04] <Mekaneck> i don't even care for windows at all
[11:30] <guiverc> Mekaneck, if it wasn't for windows on the wall; I'd not be able to see outside at all.. windows aren't all that bad even if one type is :)
[11:32] <Mekaneck> lol
[11:38] <lotuspsychje> lol
[12:11] <marcoagpinto> lol
[12:11] <marcoagpinto> :)
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> I won't update to Windows 11
[12:12] <marcoagpinto> unless I buy a new laptop that comes with it
[12:26] <Mekaneck> you probably can't upgrade to W11, all depends on your machine if it's compatible and has TPM 2.0
[12:26] <Mekaneck> also they will force you to have a webcam to run W11 in the near future
[12:27] <Mekaneck> i'd switch to linux only if i were you, support for W10 ends in 2025
[12:57] <daftykins> Mekaneck: lol what nonsense are you spreading?
[13:03] <TJ-> presumably https://blogs.windows.com/windows-insider/2021/08/27/update-on-windows-11-minimum-system-requirements-and-the-pc-health-check-app/
[13:04] <TJ-> there's been talk about the minimum hardware requirements being applied to VM guests, and breaking VirtualBox as a result, despite MS saying the minimum hardware requirements do not apply to virtual machines
[13:15] <daftykins> the webcam claim is what i'm considering nonsense
[13:25] <daftykins> certainly some eyebrow raising choices all in all
[13:27] <TJ-> oh, I think that was hyperbole
[13:28] <TJ-> as in 'what next!? webcams?'
[13:29] <daftykins> i don't
[13:30] <daftykins> TJ-: had a fun one the other day, 2.7 kW oven heating element blew mid-cook of fish and chips, took out the power to the whole house :D
[13:30] <TJ-> ouch!
[13:31] <TJ-> we had a Land-Rover burst into flame whilst being driven past the farm last evening; luckily they got out in time but it's melted the lane
[13:31] <daftykins> wowzer
[13:31] <TJ-> I was driving past it to block the lane when a tyre explosed; flames were about 5 metres high at that point
[13:35] <Mekaneck> daftykins: i read the webcam nonsense somewhere a while ago, can't recall where though
[13:36] <daftykins> i have a feeling a lot of the nonsense news will go away after release
[13:57] <leftyfb> I worry about my car bursting into flames almost every day
[15:22] <Mekaneck> Allie: mundelj is active again in #ubuntu-offtopic
[15:23] <Allie> Mekaneck: noted. eyes on them.
[15:23] <Mekaneck> thanks
[16:45] <oerheks> "New malware strain dubbed 'Sanya'. Sanya targets Windows via the Windows subsystem for Linux."... 
[16:46] <lotuspsychje> : o
[17:13] <Mekaneck> looks like mundelj also evaded his ban in #linux-offtopic, pinged the Op there about the matter
[17:15] <Mekaneck> mundelj!~s@2.26.176.128 from yester day  and  mundelj!~s@91.110.123.38  from today
[17:15] <hggdh> Mekaneck: they did not, it seems, the ban expired at 14:57 UTC today
[17:15] <hggdh> (at least for today, in #u-offtopic)
[17:16] <Mekaneck> not in linux-offtopic afaik
[17:16] <Mekaneck> and ubuntu-offtopic he wasn't banned, just quieted
[17:16] <hggdh> 4:57:29       -- | Notice(Drone): [#ubuntu-offtopic] Drone sets [#154 -q *!*@2.26.176.128 - mundelj!~s@2.26.176.128, 1d 0h 18s]                                                                  │
[17:16] <hggdh>                            │15:09:33       -- | Notice(Drone): [#ubuntu] Drone sets [#155 -b *!*@2.26.176.128 - mundelj!~s@2.26.176.128, 1d 0h 27s]
[17:17] <Mekaneck> that wasn't a ban :)
[17:17] <hggdh> indeed
[18:02] <lotuspsychje> !next
[20:19] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 701 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue701 :D 
[20:20] <daftykins> nice work there, ubottu 
[21:23] <goddard> when do the nvidia drivers usually get updated after nvidia releases?
[21:28] <Mekaneck> not
[21:51] <goddard> Mekaneck: sorry?
[21:53] <Mekaneck> they don't get updated on ubuntu unless you use a PPA
[21:54] <Mekaneck> at least that's what i remember from years ago
[21:55] <Mekaneck> if you use the ones from the repo then that's what you get afaik and those won't be updated
[21:55] <sarnold> goddard: it depends upon the series you're using, check the packages
[21:55] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-470/+publishinghistory
[21:55] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-460/+publishinghistory
[21:55] <sarnold> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-450/+publishinghistory
[21:55] <sarnold> ...
[21:56] <goddard> yeah i was looking at that ppa
[21:56] <goddard> looks like it still hasn't released the newest yet
[21:57] <goddard> https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/180475/en-us
[21:57] <sarnold> it's not a ppa, it's just the archive
[21:57] <sarnold> goddard: oh nice, a test case that's here and now :)
[22:11] <goddard> what is involved with packaging up the nvidia drivers
[22:12] <daftykins> probably great pain and hair loss
[22:12] <goddard> is nvidia's .run file an archive ?
[22:12] <daftykins> that's a binary
[22:12] <goddard> haha
[22:12] <daftykins> wouldn't recommend version chasing
[22:12] <sarnold> no kidding
[22:12] <sarnold> let our guy do it
[22:13] <goddard> it lets me open it with neovim
[22:13] <goddard> you can put ELF binary data in a shell script?
[22:14] <goddard> 800 lines of shell then a giant ELF 
[22:15] <sarnold> sure
[22:15] <sarnold> shar archives were doing that before there was an ELF
[22:16] <sarnold> coverity distributes their gunk that way, and apparently so does nvidia
[22:16] <sarnold> it's not real popular among foss folks but proprietary people seem to love it
[22:16] <daftykins> anything to be different!
[22:16] <daftykins> ;)
[22:20] <goddard> is it some program that packages it for them?
[22:21] <goddard> :q
[22:21] <sarnold> chances are good they wrote it themselves, but yeah
[22:21] <goddard> whoops
[22:22] <goddard> ahh
[22:22] <goddard> probably fun working at nvidia
[22:25] <goddard> love AMD drivers though
[22:25] <goddard> hopefully their next gen cards are better than nvidia
[22:25] <goddard> or maybe Intel will pull a rabbit out of the hat
[22:25] <sarnold> unlikely :)
[22:25] <goddard> ya sadly
[22:25] <sarnold> they're having trouble with CPUs these days, relatively speaking
[22:26] <goddard> but two open source driver companies is cool
[22:26] <sarnold> I mean, I've always looked specifically for intel graphics on my systems because I don't want to deal with the hassle :) but I don't think they come anywhere close to the performance of amd/nvidia
[22:27] <daftykins> nope!
[22:27] <goddard> no and their new graphics are not well supported
[22:27] <goddard> i have a xe 1 or whatever they are calling it in the 11th gen chips and it just not can play doom eternal 
[22:28] <goddard> sorry didn't get my license to type yet
[22:28] <goddard> haha
[22:28] <goddard> just NOW can play doom eternal 
[22:28] <daftykins> hmm must be at low res, low detail
[22:28] <goddard> doom is pretty optimized but yet only 720p 
[22:32] <goddard> works well though with latest kernel and latest mesa