[00:02] <tomreyn> !msgthebot | Guest62
[00:07] <chronos> a
[00:14] <t3stubbuntu> how to use systemd on crouton ubuntu
[00:15] <ghostnik11> EriC^^, https://termbin.com/vf8x
[00:15] <sarnold> you may need to ask in a crouton support community, it really doesn't come up here very often, I doubt many people here even know what it is..
[00:15] <t3stubbuntu> ok
[00:16] <t3stubbuntu> do you?
[00:16] <ghostnik11> EriC^^, i could also just put a block to it? like tell it to not install grub-efi-ia32
[00:17] <sarnold> t3stubbuntu: I know vaguely it's a virtualization or container thing with chromeos, but that's it
[00:17] <t3stubbuntu> true
[00:18] <EriC^^> ghostnik11: doesn't look like anything critical, yeah you could use apt-mark hold grub-efi..., but you'd need to modify /var/lib/dpkg/status and set the package as installed so it doesnt try to configure
[00:19] <t3stubbuntu> whats ghostnik and eric talking about the grub bootloader
[00:19] <ghostnik11> EriC^^, also other question is, say i change something in grub, will grub-update still work?
[00:20] <EriC^^> ghostnik11: yeah update-grub should work fine
[00:20] <ghostnik11> EriC^^, okay i will run sudo -r --force-all grub-efi-ia32 grub-efi-ia32-bin
[00:21] <ghostnik11> EriC^^, that will take care of dpkg telling me i need to run dpkg --configure -a
[00:21] <EriC^^> hmm what's the files of the bin one thog=ugh?
[00:21] <EriC^^> *though
[00:21] <EriC^^> i gtg, electricity is out
[00:21] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, we are talking about the 32bit uefi thats giving me problems when it comes to installing a new version of ubuntu
[00:23] <t3stubbuntu> have you posted on the ubuntu subreddit or stackoverflow or something about the problem
[00:24] <ghostnik11> is there anyway i can look back at old irc channel b/c EriC^^ had sent me other commands i wanted to put them down on notes so i know what to do for next time
[00:25] <t3stubbuntu> were those commands to fix the problem?
[00:25] <sarnold> ghostnik11: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/09/23/%23ubuntu.html  -- change the date as necessary
[00:26] <ghostnik11> sarnold, thanks bro.
[00:28] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, kind of. so basically i had a new install on a 2 in 1 tablet (asus t100ta) and basically i didn't install the bootloader b/c it always crashes so i ran ubiquity -b and after i then proceded to install the bootloader but then the system crashed. so then i had to boot with live usb and get to grub via pressing C. after i had to boot via linuz .../boot/vmlinz and initrd
[00:29] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, once i got in. then he basically looked at the error we were getting and we basically removed some of the uefi stuff b/c this device is weird and should have never been shipped with a 32 bit uefi that sits on top of a 64 bit architecture
[00:30] <t3stubbuntu> that does seem weird
[00:32] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, yeah but it was very clever what eric^^ suggested. he basically made the system think we had the uefi boot folder in another location so now the windows mbr just goes straight to grub when i turn on the 2 in 1 tablet
[00:34] <t3stubbuntu> i mean cheaper systems use a 32-bit uefi even when its 64 bit
[00:37] <t3stubbuntu> try reinstalling ubuntu but follow https://github.com/5bentz/linux-asus-t100/blob/master/T100TA_guide.md
[00:39] <t3stubbuntu> linux compatibillity is bad on asus transformer devices
[00:41] <t3stubbuntu> ...
[00:42] <sarnold> yeah for years 32 bit uefi things just plain didn't work. I don't know if we actually support it now or not.
[00:44] <mwhudson> i don't think it works now either
[00:46] <t3stubbuntu> he should probably get a 64-bit uefi device, if he wants a 2-in-1 64-bit uefi device, theres probably one
[00:46] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, yeah i did follow the instructions of another person. but its just that the 32 bit uefi gives too much problems. honestly i wish i could erase it and just have grub buts its not possible. i have to go but thanks for the help everyone.
[00:46] <ghostnik11> t3stubbuntu, yeah i will get one in the future. i need to save up some money to get a better one than this. but i am grateful for this one because it has come in handy due to its versitility
[01:07] <t3stubbuntu> n
[01:08] <t3stubbuntu> hi
[01:09] <sarnold> any luck t3stubbuntu?
[01:10] <ezakimak> ok, so I am trying to build an image for another machine. I mounted it via loopback just fine, was able to chroot into it, but forgot to enlarge it first. so I exited the chroot and unmounted it, but resize2fs can't touch it because it's in use, turns out something under systemd decided to open a file in there and still has an fd to it orsomething? I cannot figure out how to release it
[01:10] <ezakimak> however it's not listed under /proc/mounts anymore
[01:11] <sarnold> hmm, I'm surprised the unmount worked if systemd still had something in it open
[01:12] <ezakimak> losetup -d /dev/loop9 # doesn't unbind it either
[01:12] <ezakimak> ps | grep loop9 shows [loop9] and  [jbd2/loob9p1-8]
[01:13] <ezakimak> so maybe some kernel threads have it?
[01:13] <t3stubbuntu> i can use init.d on crouton i dont really need help but i can help someone
[01:14] <ezakimak> yep. under kthreadd
[01:24] <Guest94> Hello... I have successfully built a new (5.14) kernel using existing Ubuntu-20.04 kconfig and installed it etc, however the initrd that is generated contains no modules at all, so it is not surprisingly unbootable... Rerunning update-initramfs does not help
[01:26] <Guest94> Google is not helping, all suggestions are just to run update-initramfs
[01:27] <sarnold> Guest94: how did you build the kernel?
[01:27] <leftyfb> Guest94: what's wrong with the supported kernel that is already available?
[01:28] <Guest94> Kernel was fetched from kernel.org, extracted, make oldconfig / make -j100 / make modules_install / make install
[01:29] <sarnold> Guest94: hah. dang. that's more or less what I was going to suggest as likely to work :(
[01:29] <Guest94> This system has an Intel DG-1 card, and 5.12 or thereabouts is where we are _hoping_ that support in the i915 module was merged into the main kernel
[01:29] <sarnold> Guest94: (I haven't actuallybooted a hand-built kernel in many years.. but still. that's what I did do, way back when..)
[01:30] <Guest94> The alternative being Intel's patched 5.4.48-xemax... which also hangs at boot on systems (including this Gigabyte) for reasons we've never been able to determine
[01:32] <sarnold> Guest94: I wonder.. maybe try the make bindeb-pkg  target?
[01:33] <Guest94> I can try plenty compiling wise... this machine can build the kernel from clean/cold almost faster than it can boot cold
[01:33] <sarnold> and probably this wouldn't actually involve much compiling, just a few packaging steps
[01:33] <sarnold> I'm guessing ten seconds :)
[01:34] <Guest770> my ubuntu machine always hangs on bootscreen for a few minutes before showing "I/O error", can you help
[01:35] <Guest94> Not quite that fast... I timed it at 2m14 for kernel+modules. This was running off of one NVME, so it was definitely limited there.
[01:35] <Guest94> These servers love their loooooooong POST sequences
[01:35] <sarnold> Guest94: oh, man, that's a nice machine indeed. I thought my 'big machine' was impressive with something like a 2:53 'make defconfig ; make -j 300' run :)
[01:36] <Guest770> help
[01:36] <leftyfb> Guest94: https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[01:36] <sarnold> Guest770: that's probably a sign that you need to replace a hard drive, though maybe it's just bad cables, etc..
[01:36] <leftyfb> Guest94: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds
[01:36] <sarnold> Guest770: does the system actually boot all the way to a prompt or login? if you can get to a shell, check the output of the dmesg command, it probably includes more details about what's broken
[01:37] <Guest770> it once booted to a login but when entering credidentials it just flashed at me and rebooted
[01:38] <sarnold> :(
[01:38] <Guest94> leftyb: Hmmm. Definitely simpler... I will probably do this to get it to boot & see if i915.ko claims the dg1. But I will still need to build the i915 with low level debug enabled
[01:38] <sarnold> Guest94: but my hope is that you can just repack it into a deb much much quicker than three minutes :)
[01:39] <Guest94> guest770: Is this a rotating hard drive or an ssd? Do you have another machine you can connect it to check for errors?
[01:39] <ash_m> Is there a phrase I can Google that means getting the same software you use on your old laptop on a new device? I was thinking of something simple like an apt script or shell script I can keep on github that I can simply run wget https://github.com/ash-m/install/raw/hash -O - | sh
[01:39] <leftyfb> ash_m: huh?
[01:40] <ash_m> Like, can't apt install from a file?
[01:40] <ash_m> (That you can generate from apt)
[01:41] <Guest94> ash_m: Do you mean you want a list of all packages installed on a system?
[01:41] <Guest94> aptitude search '~i!~M' -F '%p' | awk '/.*/ { printf("%s ", $1); }' > package_list
[01:41] <ash_m> Guest94 basically, I'm looking for the simplest way to setup a new laptop
[01:42] <Guest94> Is what I came up with to generate a list of all packages as part of a lightweight backup engine
[01:42] <sarnold> ash_m: dpkg --get-selections on one machine, dpkg --set-selections  on the other machine, then apt install -f   -- and see if that does the trick
[01:42] <Guest13> ubuntu keeps popping up blank errors and most things are segfaulting
[01:43] <Guest13> help me
[01:43] <leftyfb> Guest13: what version of ubuntu?
[01:44] <Guest13> 20.04
[01:44] <leftyfb> Guest13: look in /var/crash/ for the latest files. That should give you an idea of what is crashing
[01:44] <Guest13> but what about the empty error boxes
[01:46] <Guest13> in /var/crash i see a lot of1 - 5 gb files
[01:46] <leftyfb> Guest13: look for the latest files by timestamp and note the name of them.
[01:47] <bgb> Hi, I got a MSI GE76 laptop, and installed ubuntu21.04, there is no ethernet/wifi driver available, is there anyone has ever met this problem?
[01:47] <Guest13> oh no it kernel paniced
[01:48] <sarnold> Guest13: you could try memtest86 or memtest86+ but I wouldn't be surprised if this computer is too unstable to even run it. :( it sounds very unhappy.
[01:48] <sarnold> Guest13: *maybe* it's just corrupted / bad hard drive or cabling or power.. but a memtest would be a good start
[01:48] <sarnold> Guest13: good luck :)
[01:49] <morgant> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRd3buflzGY more than the title.
[01:49] <morgant> oopps
[01:49] <Guest94> Guest13: Is the system overclocked? Can  you check the hard drive in another machine for large numbers of errors?
[01:49] <Guest13> the system isnt overclocked
[01:50] <Guest13> i saw many 1 to 5 gigabyte files in /var/crash
[01:51] <leftyfb> Guest13: ls -lth /var/crash/*|head
[01:51] <leftyfb> Guest13: ls -lth /var/crash/*|head | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:51] <Guest94> Guest13: 'edac-util' will report corrected memory errors, but only if the system has ECC memory... that can be useful to diagnose memory failures
[01:51] <leftyfb> Guest13: please run the command I posted above and share the URL it spits out here
[01:54] <Guest13> https://termbin.com/vydw
[01:55] <leftyfb> :/
[01:56] <leftyfb> Guest13: sudo find /var/crash/ -mtime 0 -exec ls -l {} \; | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:56] <Guest13> what should i do
[01:56] <Guest13> ok
[01:57] <Guest94> Guest13: Sounds like the system has either memory or disk corruption or both.
[01:57] <Guest13> kernel paniced again
[01:57] <leftyfb> Guest13: reboot and run it again
[01:58] <Guest94> I'd say to boot it from a liveusb to eliminate the "corrupt disk" angle, then check the disk filesystem.
[01:58] <Guest13> well now somethings wrong with grub
[01:59] <leftyfb> Guest13: you have a hardware problem. Either your hard drive or memory
[01:59] <Guest94> You are trying to fix a system that is broken from an unknown starting point. You need to back away from it and start from somewhere that you know *works*.
[02:00] <Guest13> my friends dealing with another problem on another ubuntu machine
[02:01] <leftyfb> Guest13: you have a hardware problem. Either your hard drive or memory. Your friends issues is completely unrelated and not the subject at the moment
[02:01] <Guest13> ok
[02:02] <Guest13> so
[02:02] <Guest13> is hardware beyond the limits of this channel
[02:02] <leftyfb> Guest13: yes. But it's already been suggested to you to run a memtest and/or disk check from a live usb/cd
[02:03] <Guest13> ok ill get my recovery usb
[02:04] <Guest13> ok i plugged it in
[02:05] <Guest13> booted
[02:06] <leftyfb> Guest13: https://linuxhint.com/run_memtest_ubuntu/
[02:06] <leftyfb> Guest13: https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-check.html.en
[02:06] <leftyfb> Guest13: good luck. No need for a play-by-play here
[02:11] <Guest13> memtest said theres 15 errors
[02:12] <leftyfb> there ya go, replace the memory
[02:12] <Guest13> ok
[02:12] <Guest13> i just happen to have over 1 tb of ecc in a huge box
[02:13] <leftyfb> Guest13: good luck
[02:14] <t3stubbuntu> how would someone have THAT much
[02:15] <Guest94> t3stubbuntu: 1TB is only 16 sticks, and that's if you avoid the area where the price/GB curve for DIMMS goes vertical...
[02:15] <t3stubbuntu> oh
[02:15] <Guest94> 1TB of 64G sticks is roughly $5K depending who you buy it from
[02:17] <Guest13> i hae more than 1 tb, but i have 1 tb stored in separate bags
[02:17] <Guest94> Most of the machines we get with pre-installed memory use 16G sticks, as you want a stick in every channel for maximum bandwidth, so OEMs only use 64/128G sticks for huge-memory nodes (1TB+)
[02:18] <Guest13> i have 5 tb of them, the box is big because i have graphics cards and other stuff
[02:18] <Guest13> btw it worked
[02:21] <t3stubbuntu> Guest13, you're done?
[02:21] <Apachez> it was easy when all you had to care about was single vs dualchannel where dualchannel in some cases could bring you up to 5% performance
[02:22] <Apachez> nowadays with amd zen you have this 8-channel config for optimal speed
[02:22] <Apachez> err optimal performance
[02:22] <Apachez> and suddently it gets expensive... not as easy and cheap to "grow as you go"
[02:24] <Guest13> all these blank pop-ups on this ubuntu machine wont go away though
[02:24] <Guest13> i got the other problem fixed
[02:25] <leftyfb> Guest13: sudo find /var/crash/ -mtime 0 -exec ls -l {} \; | nc termbin.com 9999
[02:25] <Guest13> nothings segfaulting anymore
[02:25] <Guest13> but these blank pop-ups are still there
[02:26] <golden_ticket> I'm back baby!
[02:26] <golden_ticket> Annnnd I still can't get xen to run
[02:27] <golden_ticket> I tried disabling iommu but that didn't work
[02:27] <Guest94> Guest13: If your system was previously suffering memory corruption to *that* level, you probably also had garbage written to disk. Have you checked the disk filesystem using another system that works?
[02:28] <Guest13> there is some garbage in every other directory except temp directories
[02:29] <golden_ticket> tmp directories wipe data after reboot
[02:29] <Guest13> true
[02:29] <leftyfb> Guest13: if you are seeing corrupted files in "every other directory" then it's time to wipe and start over. No recovering from that
[02:29] <golden_ticket> Guest13: what seems to be the issue?
[02:30] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: they had confirmed bad memory which now seems to have writted bad data/files all over the filesystem
[02:30] <golden_ticket> ah
[02:30] <lapion> Hello, badblocks still cannot handle 5TB drives unless one sets the blocksize to 2048
[02:30] <golden_ticket> Guest13: have you run a filesystem integrity check?
[02:30] <golden_ticket> Also is this a RAID?
[02:30] <leftyfb> !bug | lapion
[02:31] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: RAID isn't going to help nor is a filesystem integrity check. Corrupt files written to the drive are corrupt files written to the drive. Not bad blocks
[02:31] <golden_ticket> Yeah but you might wanna see if you have bad blocks no?"
[02:32] <Guest13> fsck from util-linux 2.34
[02:32] <golden_ticket> I mean see how far the damage went
[02:32] <Guest13> e2fsck 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
[02:32] <Guest13> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
[02:32] <Guest13> fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
[02:32] <Guest13> fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/vda1
[02:32] <Guest13> The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4
[02:32] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: completely separate issue to be addressed after reinstalling the OS
[02:32] <golden_ticket> oh
[02:33] <Guest13> its givinf the same error even on /dev/sda2
[02:33] <leftyfb> maybe the bad memory could have corrupted the entire filesystem at the block level, that I'm not too familiar with. Either way, nothing to do now except reinstall. Possibly assuming a bad drive and replacing the drive
[02:33] <Guest94> lapion: Drives larger than 2T are generally 4K sectors anyway? You can't escape the fact that 512B x 2^32 = 2TB...
[02:33] <Guest13> the mnt directory was removed
[02:33] <leftyfb> Guest13: reinstall. Good luck
[02:33] <Guest13> i can confirm mnt was there when i got the machine
[02:33] <Guest94> Guest13: We get it, the system is boned.
[02:34] <golden_ticket> Guest13: you might wanna try to recover the data you can and then do a fresh install?
[02:34] <golden_ticket> What happened leading up to this?
[02:34] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: bad memory
[02:34] <golden_ticket> Ah
[02:35] <Guest13> well
[02:35] <Guest13> before i could even reinstall the whole system froze and locked up
[02:35] <Guest13> cant even use the keyboard
[02:36] <leftyfb> Guest13: before the usb booted?
[02:36] <Guest13> yeah
[02:36] <leftyfb> Guest13: you have some serious hardware issues there. Try #hardware
[02:36] <golden_ticket> Ah so is this a desktop or a laptop?
[02:36] <golden_ticket> Or do that
[02:36] <leftyfb> Guest13: this is beyond the OS level now
[02:39] <golden_ticket> leftyfb: do you think you could help me on my quest to get xen running?
[02:39] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: I have almost zero experience with xen. I prefer LXD
[02:40] <golden_ticket> Ohhh I've never heard of LXD, do you have info on it?
[02:40] <leftyfb> !lxd | golden_ticket
[02:41] <golden_ticket> Oh is this like docker?
[02:41] <Guest94> Gulp... preparing to order remote system reboot with 5.14.7 from repo (thanks leftyb). Wish me luck and/or that the IPMI on this machine doesn't fritz out again... The initrd is the right size at least :)
[02:42] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: yes, but it's the whole OS, not just application-specific. And you don't "build" it, you just launch the image of hundreds of versions of different distro's and you are up and running in a few minutes
[02:43] <leftyfb> golden_ticket: for instance:  lxc launch ubuntu:20.04 mynewcontainer
[02:46] <Guest94> Interesting. System boot stole the framebuffer from the remote KVM and it went dead. That's... obnoxious.
[03:24] <hubwired> hello
[03:25] <carnophage2> hi
[03:25] <hubwired> hey I'm looking for some info about apache2 .. where should i go ?
[03:25] <hubwired> or chatroom to visit here ...
[03:28] <lotuspsychje> !chat
[06:35] <TomTom> Good morning. Anybody has an idea to to check which DNS is really being used when resolving a hostname? systemd-resolve uses the internal dns server (dnsmasq or whatever) to resolv a host. But so you can't see which of the real configured DNS servers is being queried. (e.g. SERVER: 127.0.0.53#53(127.0.0.53))
[06:50] <rfm> TomTom, "resolvectl" will show where systemd-resolve it forwarding to;
[06:56] <TomTom> rfm: I have multiple entries with DNS scope. I've checked the order in the generated  /run/systemd/resolve/resolv.conf and there the VPN one is the first, but still it seem to resolve the names via the DNS from the internet connection. It might be related with the search domains? Whats odd to me is that the link shows "DNS Domain: ~." I never saw this syntax before. Is that valid?
[08:10] <ketan> hii
[08:33] <YWH_1> Beta 21.10 is OUT!
[08:34] <YWH_1> https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=11355
[09:35] <oldgalileo> Could someone explain what the limiting factor is for updating systemd on Ubuntu 18.04 past 237?
[09:49] <kernel> greetings
[09:57] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd focal
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> what do you mean exactly oldgalileo
[09:58] <lotuspsychje> !info systemd bionic
[09:59] <lotuspsychje> oldgalileo: you want a higher systemd version?
[10:07] <oldgalileo> lotuspsychje: Yeah, exactly. I looked at the systemd kernel compatibility table and I guess beyond losing some features I'm curious why it's locked on 237.
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> oldgalileo: because ubuntu keeps package versions for your ubuntu release
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> oldgalileo: you can try !backports or !pinning as alternative
[10:09] <lotuspsychje> oldgalileo: feel free to share the bug you encounter with systemd to the channel, maybe volunteers can help you around
[11:04] <oldgalileo> !backports systemd bionic
[11:14] <tomreyn> oldgalileo: if you're looking for a newer systemd version than the one aailable in bionic, your goal should be to upgrade to a newer ubuntu release
[11:15] <tomreyn> https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?exact=1&keywords=systemd
[11:27] <Captain_Haddock> Hello, anyone familiar with sending an e-mail via mailx on the commandline? All works well except for being unable to set the "sender's name".
[11:27] <Captain_Haddock> Neither of -r "Foo<foo@example.com>" and -r "foo@example.com (Foo)" works
[11:28] <Captain_Haddock> The logged in user's username is used instead.
[11:38] <tomreyn> whether -r will work depends on the mailx variant and version
[11:39] <tomreyn> there is also -a for setting custom headers, e.g.    -a "From: Foo Bar <foo.bar@someplace.com>"   (you mayalso want / need to set a "Reply-To:" header
[11:40] <tomreyn> )
[11:54] <Daulity> leftyfb: thanks for the help it's not important the aproachability through a name rather then a ip address so it's fine :)
[12:05] <sarthor> Hi, added alias ab='ping yahoo.com' to ~/.bashrc, i tried to add tht ab in my rc.local, but now working, while i tested this command in terminal, working fine,  what should I do for this be functioning in rc.local, others entries in rc.local is working fine. HELP and Thanks in advance.
[12:15] <caotropheus> Hello
[12:25] <eko> hai
[12:25] <eko> Chatting
[12:26] <caotropheus> hello
[12:27] <ppetrov^> hi guys, after I compile, say, a library and install the files to /usr/local/{lib,include} do I need to do something more, so programs that depend on it to find it?
[12:27] <ppetrov^> i am really new to debian based distros
[12:40] <NicoleTheVixen> Hello?
[12:40] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:40] <NicoleTheVixen> hi
[12:42] <NicoleTheVixen> So, I've exhausted  what I can find on the net, could anyone help me out with my kubuntu distro? or at least if this isn't the right place, maybe pioint me somewhere that is?
[12:44] <tieinv>  #ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.04
[12:47] <NicoleTheVixen> I'm on Kubuntu 21.04 Running on an Acer Predator i7-11800h and the Nvidia 3060 max-q version along side integrated, and I have a brightness issue which is really making me ill.
[12:48] <NicoleTheVixen> I've tried manipulating the intel_backlight/brightness directly. This does nothing unless I set it to 0 in which case the backlight goes off altogether.
[13:07] <leftyfb> NicoleTheVixen: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor" in /etc/default/grub , then run sudo update-grub # and then reboot
[13:12] <NicoleTheVixen> brb
[13:15] <NicoleTheVixen> edited the /etc/default/grub, no change. Still max brightness until it's set to 0.
[13:31] <oerheks> NicoleTheVixen, maybe this answer applies to you too; enable brightnesscontrol in xorg.conf https://askubuntu.com/questions/1247592/brightness-control-does-not-work-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-with-nvidia-geforce-gtx-166
[13:40] <NicoleTheVixen> oerheks I only see 11-nvidia-offload.conf
[14:19] <^-^hi> Someone gets endless "loading" (busy mouse cursor) when they click on checkbox for proprietary drivers. Is this a known issue?
[14:19] <^-^hi> I told them that it is probably corrupted download
[14:39] <anonymous40> How do I use Xubuntu without installing via usb?
[14:39] <leftyfb> anonymous40: what do you mean?
[14:40] <anonymous40> Something like the LIVE naming.
[14:42] <leftyfb> anonymous40: I still don't follow. What is your end goal?
[14:45] <^-^hi> anonymous40: you can use a dvd
[14:47] <anonymous40> How boot by DVD of other compute?
[14:49] <tomreyn> anonymous40: are you saying this? "I downloaded a Xubuntu installer ISO file and wrote it to a DVD on computer 1. Now I want to use it to install Xubuntu on computer 2. how do i do this?"
[14:50] <xproot> or is he possibly saying "I want to burn this ISO into a DVD"
[14:50] <tomreyn> anonymous40: if you can't find help with this in #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt, try to make short simple sentences and translate at deepl.com or translate.google.com
[14:51] <tomreyn> !br
[14:51] <anonymous40> I downloaded a Xubuntu installer ISO file and wrote it to a DVD on computer 1. Now I want to use it to install Xubuntu on computer 2. how do i do this?
[14:52] <tomreyn> anonymous40: this should just work, as long as computer 2 is set (in the BIOS) to boot of the DVD.
[14:53] <genii> First, ensure the target caomputer contains a DVD drive. Then enter the BIOS of that computer and set the system to use the DVD drive as the drive to boot from. Insert the DVD into the DVD drive. Reboot the computer
[14:54] <anonymous40> Done.
[15:15] <Recon> How do I track if the mic is in use by some application on Ubuntu?
[15:17] <Recon> I am using inotifywait /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c to track usage but this will only work for my system. Not for others
[15:19] <ogra> you usually get a mic icon in the top panel as soon as teh mic is used ... i'd suppose there is also some pulseaudio way to get that info
[15:20] <ioria> Recon, have you tried with lsof ?
[15:38] <freedombacon> how do you remove the HWE kernels? removing linux-image-5.11.0-36-generic forces linux-image-unsigned-5.11.0-36-generic to be installed. Removing linux-image-unsigned-5.11.0-36-generic forces linux-image-5.11.0-36-generic to be reinstalled.
[15:43] <ioria> freedombacon, if you want again the 5. kernel (i suppose you're on focal) you need to install linux-generic (sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic ) then you can remove the hwe
[15:44] <ioria> *5.4
[15:44] <oerheks> To downgrade from HWE/OEM to GA kernel: sudo apt install --install-recommends linux-generic
[15:44] <leftyfb> freedombacon: why do you want to remove the HWE kernel?
[15:45] <oerheks> reboot, then; sudo apt remove linux-{image,headers}-generic-hwe-20.04
[15:45] <tomreyn> freedombacon: https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449 tries to sum up your options
[15:46] <freedombacon> leftyfb, it is not compatible with the graphics driver
[15:54] <freedombacon> tomreyn, i assume you mean the switch from HWE to GA part. That's about to make things worse. It wants to install 5.11.0-36, as well as hwe-18.04, hwe-18.04-edge, hwe-20.04, and hwe-20.04-edge
[15:55] <seth_> hello everybody. Has anyone else run into tracker-store crashing regularly shortly after login? This is on 21.04
[15:55] <ioria> freedombacon, what cmd is doing that ?
[15:55] <oerheks> no, it should not mix 10.04-hwe and 20.04 hwe..
[15:55] <freedombacon> sudo apt update && sudo apt install --install-recommends --autoremove --purge linux-image-generic-hwe-*- linux-image-generic
[15:55] <oerheks> c/18.04 ..
[15:55] <spatel> folks i am trying to create package of openvswitch and endup with this error - https://paste.opendev.org/show/809569/
[15:56] <spatel> DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS='parallel=8 nocheck' fakeroot debian/rules binary
[15:56] <spatel> any idea what is wrong?
[15:56] <ioria> freedombacon, nope
[16:00] <freedombacon> nope, what? it doesn't do that for you, i whould have run something else?
[16:01] <ioria> freedombacon, you're misreading the output
[16:01] <Guest45> how do I rollback ca-certificates from 20210119~20.04.2 to 20210119~20.04.1? It says " Version '20210119~20.04.1' for 'ca-certificates' was not found", but I know 20.04.1 is a thing.
[16:02] <freedombacon> it says 5 NEW packages will be installed, then it lists those I just said. how am I misreading that?
[16:03] <ioria> freedombacon, ok, so please post the output
[16:06] <oerheks>  20210119~20.04.1 is removed, ofcourse, we don't want you to mix up bad certificates
[16:07] <freedombacon> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Xr4Rh3QQVM/
[16:08] <oerheks>  blacklist expired "DST Root CA X3". seems pretty important
[16:15] <Guest45> oerheks: the problem for me is it's not expired yet. here's why I need that not-expired-yet certificate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates/+bug/1944481
[16:15] <ioria> freedombacon, you issued a broken command
[16:16] <ioria> freedombacon, --purge linux-image-generic-hwe-*-    not --purge linux-image-generic-hwe-*
[16:17] <oerheks> i see it published in proposed, 18min ago https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ca-certificates
[16:19] <oerheks> not sure now, you have to wait for the fix?
[16:20] <freedombacon> ioria, i thought that was a typo because when that hyphen is there, the command doesn't do anything https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PxGZ54CTJ2/
[16:23] <ioria> freedombacon, apt -s install linux-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:27] <freedombacon> ioria, https://termbin.com/nzwp
[16:28] <ioria> freedombacon, dpkg -l | grep linux-image  | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:31] <freedombacon> ioria, https://termbin.com/odyy
[16:31] <ioria> yes, it's already installed
[16:31] <ioria> freedombacon, ^^
[16:31] <ioria> freedombacon, reboot on the 5.4 kernel
[16:32] <ioria> freedombacon, on 5.4.0-86 ,  i mean
[16:33] <ioria> freedombacon, and btw you have removed the 5.11 kernel
[16:33] <freedombacon> ioria, yes, i'm booted on it right now. i need the 5.11 kernel removed so it always boots with 5.4 automatically
[16:33] <ioria> freedombacon, uname -r
[16:33] <freedombacon> ioria, 5.4.0-86-generic
[16:34] <ioria> freedombacon, sudo apt install --reinstall linux-generic
[16:35] <freedombacon> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ggzd3snrg6/
[16:37] <ioria> freedombacon, ok;     apt -s autopurge | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:39] <oerheks> just run updates, purge is included in updates now
[16:39] <freedombacon> ioria, https://termbin.com/ksxx
[16:40] <oerheks> seems clean and done, removing HWE
[16:40] <ioria> freedombacon, apt -s remove --purge linux-generic-hwe-20.04  linux-hwe-*  linux-modules-5.1* linux-modules-5.8.0-* | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:43] <freedombacon> https://termbin.com/ry96
[16:44] <freedombacon> ioria, ^
[16:44] <ioria> freedombacon, i guess you already have removed the hwe metapkg...
[16:45] <freedombacon> ioria, yeah, that one was one of the first things i did
[16:45] <ioria> freedombacon, ok ; sudo apt remove --purge linux-generic-hwe-20.04  linux-hwe-*  linux-modules-5.1* linux-modules-5.8.0-*
[16:46] <freedombacon> ioria, it looks like that's doing it! thank you so much!
[16:47] <ioria> freedombacon, ok ; when it's done paste again  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:48] <freedombacon> ioria, https://termbin.com/5u1z
[16:49] <Creator4983> Uhm, qq all?
[16:49] <ioria> freedombacon, sudo apt purge linux-image-5.11*
[16:50] <Creator4983> Well, not so talkative audition, later!
[16:50] <oerheks> 1 minute 5 seconds .. not a record
[16:51] <freedombacon> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7FXBBpCQBg/
[16:52] <ioria> freedombacon, ok; sudo apt purge linux-image-5.8*
[16:55] <freedombacon> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HXJgnGTDTB/
[16:55] <ioria> freedombacon, ok; sudo apt purge linux-image-unsigned-5.11.0-34-generic
[16:57] <freedombacon> ioria, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CZpZmwBFch/
[16:58] <ioria> freedombacon,  dpkg -l | grep linux-image | nc termbin.com 9999
[16:58] <freedombacon> ioria, https://termbin.com/ypvl
[16:59] <ioria> freedombacon,  sudo update-grub
[17:00] <ioria> freedombacon,  keep in mind, that now you have just one kernel
[17:01] <freedombacon> ioria, that's fine. i know it works and i'm fine with getting just bug and security updates for it
[17:01] <goddard> just curious why brave isn't in the repositories if it is open source?
[17:01] <ioria> freedombacon,  ok ;if you want you can reinstall linux-image-5.4.0-42, but maybe not very usuful
[17:02] <ioria> brb
[17:02] <freedombacon> i gotta step out for a while too. thanks again for all your help!
[17:02] <oerheks> goddard, it is, as snap https://snapcraft.io/brave
[17:05] <goddard> oerheks: thats cool not having a problem installing it was just curious if a reason existed for it to not be in the repos
[17:06] <ravage> goddard: i guess just like with chromium nobody wants to maintain it
[17:08] <goddard> ravage: ahh but brave provides their own repo
[17:08] <ravage> thats totally possible. never checked it
[17:09] <goddard> does ubuntu need to do some checking on it for it to be included?
[17:09] <goddard> how does that work?
[17:10] <ravage> Ubuntu does not include external sources. There must be a local copy in the Ubuntu repos. And that also means that there must be a maintainer for it
[17:10] <goddard> ravage: ok so basically copy and pasting from an existing source?
[17:11] <ravage> there are a lot of versions and architectures to support. so c/p does not work. thats why chromium is a snap now.
[17:13] <ravage> their repo for example only supports amd64
[17:14] <ogra> note that the brave snap is actualy maintained by brave themselves
[17:14] <ravage> but they dont recommend using it really :D
 "Brian Hechinger: usualy we..." <- Installed 470.74 via the binary blob installer from their website and it works. 470.63 is a black screen no matter what I do.
[17:15] <ogra> well, they keep it well up to date ... i thnk they *once* didnt recommend it but that was years ago AFAIK
[17:16] <ravage> ogra: that is what the current download page states. if you have different information let me know
[17:21] <ogra> ravage, well, they probably didnt update it, no idea ... i wouldnt see why they invest into actively maintaining it but then tell people to not use it (and brave is in the snap store since years)
[17:22] <ogra> (teh snap was last updated 10 days ago FWIW)
[17:23] <ioria> ogra, 'You can find Brave on the Snapcraft Store, but while it is maintained by Brave Software, it is not yet working as well as our official packages. We currently recommend that users who are able to use our official package repositories do so instead of using the Snap.'    meh
[17:23] <ogra> bah
[17:24] <ogra> i remember seeing that sentence years ago though ... i wonder if it is still true
[17:25] <ogra> with 22.04 all default browsers i Ubuntu will be snaps anyway ... brave should just follow suit 🙂
[17:26] <ogra> s/i/in/
[17:26] <ioria> firefox too, afaik
[17:26] <ogra> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210
[17:26] <ogra> yep
[17:28] <ogra> (in case of firefox mozilla actually asked for it themselves)
[17:29] <ioria> that's interesting indeed, meaning some trust in the infrastructure
[17:29] <alkisg> Eeeew. Time to see what's upstream firefox.deb like... :D
[17:30] <ogra> alkisg, you have 6 more months 🙂 the deb stays around for the flavours ATM (not sure if it will beyond 22.04, perhaps is a flavour actively picks up maintenance)
[17:30] <ogra> s/is/if/
[17:31] <ravage> shipping Ubuntu without a decent default browser really doesnt sound right to me
[17:31] <alkisg> Chromium stayed .deb for 18.04, I guess firefox will remain a .deb in 20.04, but yeah upgrading to 22.04 will be an issue...
[17:31] <ogra> what do you mean "without a decent default browser" ?
[17:31] <ogra> it wil ship with firefox as always
[17:31] <alkisg> From chromium we switched to google-chrome.deb, now we'll see how are things with upstream firefox.deb... 🤷‍♂️
[17:32] <ravage> from an external source
[17:32] <ogra> ??
[17:32] <ravage> thats not what Ubuntu is about
[17:32] <alkisg> Snaps aren't external sources...
[17:32] <ravage> i wont jump do conclusions just yet. but if that will really happen my switch will not be to 22.04 LTS but to another dist
[17:32] <ravage> of course they are
[17:32] <alkisg> But on the other hand, not everyone wants to use snaps... :/
[17:33] <alkisg> If they're provided by canonical, I don't think they're considered external
[17:33] <ogra> feel free to try the snap ... you can install/remove snaps without affecting their deb counterpart
[17:33] <goddard> i dislike how snaps pollute a lot of software i use with incoherent information
[17:33] <ogra> so you can always try the FF snap
[17:34] <goddard> like when i look at my network interfaces i see like 10
[17:34] <ogra> alkisg, well, FF will be provided by mozilla, that their point, they dont want distro patches, consistent behavior and bugs etc ... and full update control for them
[17:34] <goddard> i only have 2
[17:34] <alkisg> ogra, who will be releasing the snap, mozilla or canonical?
[17:34] <alkisg> Got it
[17:35] <ravage> also ubuntu loses control about disabling features. mozilla always had strange ideas about integration of ads and so on in the past
[17:35] <ravage> if they decide to include that in their snap there is no fallback to patch it out
[17:36] <alkisg> How hard would it be to install snaps as usual debs? Wouldn't this make it a whole lot easier to people that have their reasons to dislike snaps?
[17:36] <alkisg> E.g. sandboxing doesn't require a squashfs image, right? It can be performed in a directory...
[17:36] <alkisg> (so, no special mount points etc...)
[17:37] <goddard> i like it like that
[17:37]  * ogra wonders if we should move to #ubuntu-discuss 🙂 (i'm actually suprised noboday shouted "off topic" yet 🙂 )
[17:38] <alkisg> Eh. Support sometimes also involves technical discussions, not just helping users deal with their pc problems
[17:39] <ogra> heh
[17:39] <alkisg> But sure if someone shouts, we could move it
[17:39] <ogra> alkisg, snaps are built (and run on top of) against their base ... you cant just unsquashfs them, add a wrapper and expect them to work
[17:40] <alkisg> If you unsquashfs them at the same location where they're mounted, the "patch" to make them run would be big?
[17:41] <alkisg> E.g. if I make a "snap-to-deb" converter, which puts them in that exact place, they wouldn't run?
[17:41] <ogra> there are also layouts that bind moun certain dirs in the environment to other places etc ... your wrapping mechanism would have to take all this into account ... and that can differ massively from snap to snap
[17:42] <ogra> well, you still would need to exec them on top of their base (the "core, core18 or core20" snap) ...
[17:42] <leftyfb> goddard: snaps as a package solution do not add network interfaces. What exactly are you referring to?
[17:42] <ogra> leftyfb, well, except for the docker or lxd snaps 🙂
[17:42] <ogra> (they add their required veth devices)
[17:42] <alkisg> Hmm ogra that would be a very interesting discussion, but I lack the familiarity with snap to make useful proposals :/
[17:43] <leftyfb> ogra: only if you install the docker or lxd. And those add network interfaces the same way the .deb or .rpm or .tar.gz do
[17:43] <alkisg> But if firefox.snap could be installed "statically", without mounts and sandboxing (which cause a set of issues), I wouldn't mind at all using it...
[17:44] <leftyfb> goddard: if you don't want the network interfaces that docker or lxd uses, don't install docker or lxd. Nothing to do with snap
[17:44] <ogra> alkisg, it would be really hard to do ... you'd have t create a chroot on top of the base snap, do all the layout bind mounting ... then there might be patches *in* the SW to actually add correct prefixes to paths for use with interfaces ... which would break without confinement
[17:44] <alkisg> Ouch :/
[17:44] <ogra> but technically it would be doable 🙂
[17:45] <ogra> its is just a hell lot of work ...
[17:45]  * alkisg patiently waits for the day where upstream will provide an appimage description, and any distribution will automatically create a deb/rpm/snap/whatever out of it :D
[17:45] <ogra> "unsnap install firefox" 🙂
[17:46] <Neo517> When a user clicks on a button on my website, I want to pscp a file to my remote server? What is the best way to accomplsih this?
[17:46] <leftyfb> !ot | Neo517
[17:46] <leftyfb> Neo517: your question is regarding web technologies and security. Not specific to the Ubuntu OS
[17:47] <Neo517> thanks
[17:47] <leftyfb> Neo517: in my opinion, what you are trying to accomplish isn't the right solution to begin with. Maybe send an email or populate data in a DB to be access remotely
[17:48] <leftyfb> goddard: still waiting on your explanation of network interfaces showing on your system as a result of installing snap packages
[18:27] <goddard> leftyfb: oh i just got back
[18:27] <goddard> leftyfb: yeah i might of confused that one
[18:27] <goddard> leftyfb: snap has the file system issue
[18:28] <oerheks> 'file system issue' ?
[18:28] <leftyfb> goddard: df -x squashfs
[18:28] <goddard> multiple file systems show up in many programs if you have snaps
[18:29] <leftyfb> goddard: lsblk -o +type -e7
[18:29] <goddard> im just talking GUI apps
[18:29] <oerheks> first time i hear this
[18:29] <goddard> usage analyzer
[18:29] <oerheks> snaps do not appear in filemanager, darktable, ..
[18:30] <leftyfb> goddard: snaps do not show in the disk analyzer for me
[18:30] <goddard> maybe they changed how they are pulling it
[18:30] <goddard> it was doing that
[18:31] <oerheks> must be mint or something? even then, never seen that.
[18:31] <goddard> this was like 6 months ago
[18:31] <goddard> probably worked out some kinks
[18:32] <goddard> that was a big one
[18:32] <goddard> at the time
[18:32] <oerheks> so you no longer suffer that issue?
[18:32] <goddard> then having like 3 versions of a snap took up a lot of space
[18:32] <goddard> well i dont suffer because i dont use snaps hahah
[18:33] <leftyfb> goddard: you removed all of snapd?
[18:33] <goddard> ya did that a long time ago
[18:33] <oerheks> so brave
[18:34] <goddard> haha
[18:34] <goddard> confined apps usually have bugs
[18:35] <leftyfb> false statement
[18:35] <goddard> your true statement is actually a false statement
[18:35] <goddard> :D
[18:35] <goddard> in my experience it has caused nothing but issues
[18:36] <oerheks> friday beer talk, i stick to support only
[18:36] <goddard> dbeaver for example
[18:36] <leftyfb> goddard: when discussing snaps with anyone here, especially someone looking for help, please make clear your opinions are based on nothing other than your personal experience
[18:37] <goddard> leftyfb: that is what all information is baesd on
[18:37] <goddard> because we aren't computers it isn't based on a database
[18:37] <goddard> :D
[19:43] <morgant> I would like some opinion -- on what password program is recommended.
[19:43] <goddard> bitwarden is open source but uses c#
[19:43] <goddard> if that matters to you
[19:44] <morgant> I loooked at this page but have no way to evaluate it. https://opensource.com/article/16/12/password-managers
[19:44] <goddard> passbolt is open source and built with php but isn't as mature
[19:44] <leftyfb> morgant: you can search the ubuntu software store for the word "password". Try them out and find out what best suits your needs. Other than that, feel free to go to #ubuntu-offtopic for software opinions
[19:44] <morgant> from a user point of view. (Tried lastpass and it was horribly nagging and seemed complex. was all or nothing.)
[19:45] <leftyfb> morgant: feel free to ask for software opinions in #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:45] <morgant> Yess, that isnt helpful. I know I could try them out myself and see... bla bla. OK lwill go to offtopic.
[19:46] <morgant> goddard, what does "less mature" mean?  I dont know how that affects me.
[19:46] <morgant> #ubuntu sent me here::  [12:43:21] <morgant> I would like some opinion -- on what password program is recommended.
[19:46] <morgant> [12:43:48] <goddard> bitwarden is open source but uses c#
[19:46] <morgant> [12:43:53] <goddard> if that matters to you
[19:46] <morgant> [12:44:00] <morgant> I loooked at this page but have no way to evaluate it. https://opensource.com/article/16/12/password-managers
[19:47] <leftyfb> morgant: try again
[20:03] <Guest21> help
[20:04] <Guest21> my ubuntu server was hacked by "Indonesia1HAAX"
[20:04] <Guest21> my ubuntu server was hacked by "Indonesia1HAAX"
[20:05] <Guest21> help
[20:08] <sarnold> Guest21: it's very difficult to recover a system that was hacked. wipe it all, do a fresh install, reinstall your data from backups, and double-check the data is 'good' before using it
[20:08] <sarnold> Guest21: maybe you could / should save the hard drive from it, and ask someone to do forensics on it to see what was done, etc
[20:10] <Guest21> the only other things i can tell is that the hostname was changed, theres a botnet and bitcoin miner on it now, and theres many new users with gibberish names
[20:10] <Guest21> also all of the sites hosted on it have a webshell now
[20:10] <Guest21> and the sites were defaced
[20:13] <Guest21> ok?
[20:13] <beuys> Hello! What is the Chromium version you have on Ubuntu after "apt update && apt upgrade"?
[20:14] <Guest21> ?
[20:14] <ravage> Beuys: it only installs the snap. That snap is kept up to date independent from package updates
[20:15] <beuys> ravage: "it"?
[20:15] <ravage> Guest: burn that server. Reinstall.
[20:15] <Guest21> its a physical server in one of my rooms
[20:15] <Guest21> it has its own ip tho
[20:16] <ravage> Beuys: the apt install of chromium installs the snap
[20:16] <beuys> ravage: Ok, and which version?
[20:16]  * beuys does not know what a "snap" is.
[20:16] <ravage> The current stable one
[20:17] <beuys> ravage: ?
[20:17] <t3stubbuntu> * i know what a snap is
[20:18] <t3stubbuntu> a snap is a package installed by snapd
[20:18] <ravage> Beuys: https://snapcraft.io/
[20:19] <beuys> ravage: Here it says "93.0..." https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[20:19] <beuys> ravage: So that is what Ubuntu users use?
[20:19] <t3stubbuntu> snapd is owned by canonical
[20:32] <ogra> beuys, there is 93 in the stable channel, 94 in the candidate channel and 95 in the edge channel of the snap store (stable is indeed the default, but users can switch around at any time)
[20:34] <beuys> ogra: I'll read into what snaps are.
[20:34] <ogra> just a different form of packages
[20:35] <beuys> ogra: Ubuntu does not use apt?
[20:35] <ogra> it does
[20:36] <ogra> (as the default package manager.... but also snaps)
[20:36] <beuys> So what happens when I type "apt install chromium" in Ubuntu?
[20:38] <ogra> it installs a deb package .... which has code inside to install the snap package ... (for users that do upgrades from older ubuntu versions this transition is sadly needed) ...
[20:38] <ogra> to not install that script stuff you can just "sudo snap install chromium"
[20:39] <beuys> ogra: What I don't understand is this: Canonical says they only keep packages in main and restricted secure. How do I find out if that includes Chromium?
[20:39] <ogra> snap info chromium ... look at the "publisher" entry
[20:40] <ogra> packages with green checkmark come from a verified and trustworthy publisher
[20:40] <beuys> ogra: Where?
[20:40] <ogra> in the output of "snap info chromium"
[20:40] <beuys> ogra: I don't have Ubuntu. I am reading about it, consider trying it.
[20:40] <ogra> (or on the website at snapcraft.io)
[20:41] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[20:41] <beuys> ogra: So how can I figure out if Canonical keeps it secure?
[20:41] <beuys> ogra: Here they say, they only keep "main" and "restricted" secure: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ
[20:42] <ogra> well, if canonical claims it is the publisher of a snap it is typically the same as if you use a package from the ubuntu archive
[20:42] <beuys> ogra: "ubuntu archive"?
[20:42] <ogra> the package archive where the deb packages are stored
[20:43] <beuys> ogra: But they have 4. And they say they keep 2 of them secure.
[20:43] <ogra> yes ... the ther two are kept secure by the community and by debian
[20:43] <ogra> *the other
[20:44] <beuys> ogra: Who is the community?
[20:44] <ogra> look around 🙂
[20:44] <beuys> ogra: So if some 16 year old from #ubuntu forgets to take their medicine tomorrow, they might ship an insecure browser to your desktop?
[20:44] <ogra> lol
[20:45] <ogra> if that 16 year old has some package maintenance under his belt and has proven she is trustworthy to do uploads ? yes
[20:45] <ogra> you dont "just become a package maintainer"
[20:46] <beuys> So how can I figure out if Chromium on Ubuntu is maintained by Canonical or by "the community"?
[20:46] <ogra> it takes a while and some prrofing that you are capable before you are granted upload rights (often years) ... before that you submit patches to bug reports that someone else verifies and merges into the package for you
[20:46] <ogra> by loking at the snap store page .... https://snapcraft.io/chromium
[20:47] <ogra> see at the top ... there is the maintainer under the package name ...
[20:47] <ogra> and there is a green checkmark ...
[20:47] <beuys> ogra: So Canonical maintains this one?
[20:47] <ogra> yes
[20:47] <beuys> I see
[20:47] <Recon> Ogra Is there a way to check if the mic is in use by another application on Ubuntu?
[20:47] <sarnold> ogra: is there anything like the focal-changes or bionic-changes mail list archives for snap packages, to show when updates were released, with what changelog entries?
[20:48] <ogra> sarnold, there is https://snapstats.org/
[20:48] <ogra> sarnold, for more details talk to diddledani in one of the snap channels 🙂
[20:48] <Recon> I tried lsof but it lists a huge number of stuff and its difficult to know which is being used.
[20:49] <ogra> Recon, how about "pactl list sources short | grep RUNNING"
[20:50] <ogra> if that returns something you have an active nput source
[20:50] <ogra> *input
[20:50] <Recon> ogra i will try that
[20:50] <Recon> In the meanwhile is there some documemtation on Ubuntu audio works?
[20:50] <sarnold> ogra: thanks, looks neat :)
[20:50] <ogra> 🙂
[20:51] <sarnold> Recon: this is pretty good https://venam.nixers.net/blog/unix/2021/02/07/audio-stack.html
[20:51] <ogra> Recon, probably somewhere on the wiki ... bu in general ubuntu uses pulseaudio everywhere by default so knowing your pactl runes should usually be enough
[20:52] <Recon> I am noting these down. I will check them out tomorrow. Can't wait. Its 2:20 am here. Need some shut eye
[20:52] <ogra> (if you need lower level there is surely a lot alsa documentation, i dont think there is a lot non-std stuff in it in ubuntu nowadays)
[20:52] <Recon> I tried to read up on linux audio on my own but it was very terse.
[20:52] <edlou> yeah because who wants to follow standards right
[20:53] <Recon> Yeah all i read/found was alsa and i couldn't figure out where pactl came in
[20:53] <Recon> Coz when i did lsof | grep snd the left column was full of pactl
[20:53] <ogra> alsa talks to the drivers directly ... pulse is one laywer up and talks to the apps and to alsa ... it is the multiplexer that joins it all together
[20:54] <ogra> *layer
[21:01] <webchat9> Hi there, I'm a rookie using ubuntu and I need to extend the space of my disk , using all the space available on the sda part, anyone can help me ?
[21:03] <Recon> webchat9: got gui access on your ubuntu pc?
[21:03] <webchat9> yep
[21:03] <Recon> Install gparted if its not installed
[21:04] <webchat9> actually, with the command lsblk i saw that all the freespace is on sda/sda2 , but I need it on sda/sda2/vg00-lv01
[21:04] <webchat9> ok I'll do this
[21:04] <Recon> And it will help you extend your disk space
[21:04] <leftyfb> webchat9: lsblk | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:08] <webchat9> Recon sorry I missread, i don't have gui access
[21:08] <webchat9> only ssh
[21:08] <leftyfb> webchat9: please post the URL that results from the command I posted above
[21:08] <webchat9> it only give me this getaddrinfo for host "termbin.com" port 9999: Temporary failure in name resolution
[21:09] <webchat9> but you can find the result of the command here : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1365624/extend-space-of-vg00-lv01-ubuntu-20-04
[21:09] <leftyfb> webchat9: so you don't have internet access either?
[21:09] <webchat9> I have internet ^^
[21:09] <sarnold> just no dns
[21:10] <Guest591> help
[21:10] <leftyfb> webchat9: https://carleton.ca/scs/2019/extend-lvm-disk-space/
[21:11] <leftyfb> Guest591: reinstall your machine. That is all the help you are going to get
[21:11] <Guest591> ok
[21:11] <leftyfb> Guest591: there is no fix for a hacked machine. Wipe it and start over
[21:11] <Guest591> ok
[21:11] <webchat9> leftyfb thanks, I'll follow this tutorial
[21:12] <Guest591> i just did
[21:12] <leftyfb> Guest591: if you reinstalled ubuntu from scratch, what is your question now?
[21:14] <webchat9> this command :sudo lvextend -l +100%FREE /dev/vg00/lv01
[21:14] <webchat9>   New size (1949 extents) matches existing size (1949 extents).
[21:14] <webchat9> won't extend :/
[21:15] <Guest591> im trying to reinstall web server but it says apt: command not found
[21:15] <leftyfb> Guest591: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:17] <Guest591> https://termbin.com/g8se2
[21:17] <webchat9> leftyfb do i need to delete partition ?
[21:18] <leftyfb> Guest591: renistall. If apt isn't found and this is a fresh install, something it horribly wrong
[21:18] <Guest591> everything else works
[21:19] <leftyfb> Guest591: you do not have a fully functional install. Without apt, you are in an unsupportable state.
[21:22] <Guest21> im reinstalling it again
[21:22] <Guest21> at 29%
[21:23] <leftyfb> Guest21: no need for the play by play
[21:23] <tomreyn> Guest21: how are you installing Ubuntu 20.04?
[21:28] <Guest21> its at grub now
[21:29] <tomreyn> no need to report your progress
[21:30] <Guest21> ok
[21:31] <leftyfb> Guest21: how exactly are you installing ubuntu? What type of machine is this?
[21:32] <Guest21> im installing via burnt iso minimal, its a server
[21:33] <Guest21> crashed
[21:33] <Apachez> wrong arch?
[21:33] <Guest21> o nevermind
[21:33] <Guest21> oh
[21:33] <Apachez> what was it?
[21:34] <Guest21> i dont know
[21:35] <Guest21> its done
[21:35] <Guest21> booting
 no need to report your progress
[21:36] <leftyfb> Guest21: please stop with the play by play. If you come across an issue, feel free to ask for help
[21:37] <Guest21> play by play?
[21:39] <Guest21> ok
[21:39] <Guest21> apt works now
[21:41] <Apachez> Guest21: so what did you do wrong then?
[21:42] <Guest21> idk
[22:17] <grys> Guest21: i'm glad that apt is working. are there any issues now?
[23:08] <xboxbml> hey all. I'll ask again.. has anyone ever tried to run ubuntu on a macbook air? I have 2015 Air. I can run Linux Mint on it fine installed on a 512gb SD card in the reader, but Ubuntu will only run in live mode. It will not install on another 512gb SD card i have in the reader. It's been a while since i tried it again. Don't remember all the details.
[23:20] <ravage> xboxbml: https://www.r-bloggers.com/2020/07/installing-and-running-ubuntu-on-a-2015-ish-macbook-air/ seems to work out of the box really
[23:26] <xboxbml> well, thanks.. it seems someone has done it.. not sure why it wouldn't work for me. Maybe it wants to be on the internal drive? I didn't want to have it on the internal, just the 512gb SD card and just boot from it when I want to play with Ubuntu. That's what I do with the Mint SD card. Still have macos on the 2tb internal. It's my main machine. I'm just learning linux so...
[23:27] <ravage> if you just want to play around install a VM
[23:45] <xboxbml> well, i do have it loaded on another spinner in my desktop.. that worked fine. i'm actually running updates on that now. it's been a while since it's been booted there