[02:07] <xu-irc34w> Hello
[12:19] <caotropheus> Hello
[13:32] <anonymous> How make a live usb of Hirsute Hippo?
[13:33] <KBar> That depends on your current OS. Are you on Linux/Ubuntu or something else?
[13:34] <anonymous> Debian 11 bullseye.
[13:37] <gnrp> anonymous: You can just dd the regular image on the USB drive
[13:37] <gnrp> this tutorial here seems appropriate: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/creating-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-stick-on-a-debian-linux/
[13:41] <KBar> anonymous: in addition to that, this also answers your question: https://askubuntu.com/questions/372607/how-to-create-a-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive-from-terminal
[13:42] <xu-help77w> hello?
[13:42] <xu-help77w> is anyone here?
[13:43] <xu-help77w> please answer
[13:44] <KBar> anonymous: also, Debian Installation Guide has this article: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.en.html
[13:45] <KBar> You can create a bootable USB stick with the cp command as well.
[13:45] <xu-help77w> hey?
[13:45] <xu-help77w> anyone notices me?
[13:45] <xu-help77w> cause I need some help
[13:46] <KBar> Hello. Yes. Welcome. Feel free to just ask your questions. Someone knowledglable will gladly help you.
[13:47] <anonymous> It's run with install?
[13:49] <KBar> anonymous can you jump to #ubuntu? This channel is specific to Xubuntu.
[13:49] <KBar> Thanks.
[13:49] <xu-help77w> Okay, so I tried to install the XFCE/Xubuntu desktop environment via Terminal on Zorin OS 16 Core (Ubuntu-based Linux distro), with the commands in this: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/staging
[13:49] <xu-help77w> then `sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop`
[13:50] <xu-help77w> also, if you guys don't want to go to the website, the 2 previous commands were `sudo add-apt-repository ppa:xubuntu-dev/staging`, then `sudo apt-get update`
[13:51] <oerheks> xu-help77w,  we only support xubuntu, not a zorin-frankenstein install  .. 
[13:51] <xu-help77w> oh...
[13:51] <xu-help77w> so you guys don't support desktop environments?
[13:51] <oerheks> in #linux maybe ..
[13:52] <xu-help77w> okay, I'll check that out
[13:52] <KBar> xu-help77w Regardless, that PPA is a staging one for Xubuntu QA.
[13:52] <KBar> If you read the description carefully, it says: As these packages (and new package versions) are primarily geared towards testing, they can be removed from the PPA at any time by the Xubuntu developers. Please DO NOT consider this PPA a main, stable source for the packages.
[13:52] <xu-help77w> hmm, wait a sec
[13:53] <xu-help77w> so is there a stable source for the packages?
[13:53] <KBar> On all Ubuntu-based desktops, one just needs to install the `xubuntu-desktop` package to get the Xubuntu-themed XFCE DE.
[13:54] <KBar> AFAIK
[13:54] <xu-help77w> wait, isn't that what I did?
[13:54] <xu-help77w> wait a sec
[13:56] <KBar> I think you added the dev repo to your sources. 
[13:56] <KBar> Those packages are unstable. 
[13:57] <xu-help77w> so just don't add anything?
[13:57] <xu-help77w> as in ignore the PPA sources?
[13:57] <KBar> Yes, if you only want to switch to Xubuntu desktop as a main DE. 
[13:57] <xu-help77w> and go straight to `sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop`?
[13:57] <KBar> Correct.
[13:57] <xu-help77w> goddamnit
[13:57] <KBar> That PPA is for testing.
[13:57] <xu-help77w> online sources told me to add in staging PPA
[13:58] <GridCube> nope
[13:58] <KBar> You don't need the staging PPA, if you plan to use xubuntu-desktop as the main DE on a stable machine. 
[13:59] <xu-help77w> anyway, I have purged the PPAs out via Software & Updates
[13:59] <oerheks> Best start is the original xubuntu iso
[13:59] <KBar> oerheks is right. 
[13:59] <xu-help77w> `sudo apt-get install [PACKAGE NAME]` doesn't work for me anymore
[13:59] <KBar> Congrats but purging packages from DE metapackage is nearly impossible.
[14:00] <xu-help77w> yay!!!!!!!!
[14:00] <xu-help77w> I'll get to enjoy 3 hours of hell!!!
[14:00] <xu-help77w> (or maybe more)
[14:01] <xu-help77w> yep, now xubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-core are not configured for me
[14:02] <Unit193> Hrm, maybe we should really update the description of that PPA, it's backports of the stable packages to prior releases of Xubuntu. >_>
[14:03] <xu-help77w> I hate myself for not searching a bit more
[14:04] <sophie> something like dpkg-recongfigure xubuntu-desktop
[14:04] <KBar> Happens. We all go through this. It's a learning process.
[14:05] <xu-help77w> tried `sudo dpkg --configure -a` before, the whole thing kept on saying that xubuntu-default-settings are not installed
[14:06] <xu-help77w> and I've deleted all the files from the packages in `var/bin/dpkg/info/` already
[14:06] <xu-help77w> oh wait, it should be `var/lib`
[14:07] <xu-help77w> `var/lib/dpkg/info/`, sorry for the mistake
[14:08] <KBar> Try `dpkg-reconfigure xubuntu-desktop` as sophie suggested
[14:08] <KBar> With superuser privileges of course.
[14:08] <xu-help77w> can I remove the staging PPA using `sudo add-apt-repository --remove ppa:xubuntu-dev/staging` though?
[14:09] <xu-help77w> and of course I'll give that a try
[14:09] <KBar> That may leave your desktop unusable.
[14:09] <Unit193> The metapackage 'xubuntu-desktop' has nothing to configure, also he removed everything in dpkg/info, thus the postinst script is gone too and it can't be reconfigured.
[14:10] <KBar> If you've already installed all the packages from the PPA, there is a good chance you will break dependencies
[14:10] <xu-help77w> yep, bricked the `sudo apt-get install` and `sudo dpkg --configure -a` already
[14:10] <xu-help77w> unusable now
[14:11] <Unit193> In the future, removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/* isn't the way to remove packages.
[14:11] <xu-help77w> will remember that
[14:11] <xu-help77w> time for reinstalling I suppose
[14:12] <KBar> Good luck.
[15:54] <Afdal> Hello, woke up to a problem with apt this morning that I don't understand
[15:55] <Afdal> Seems like I'm having problem successfully updating my package cache
[15:56] <Afdal> Getting a "problem with mergelist" error, however deleting the offending file from /var/lib/apt/lists/ and attempting to regenerate with apt update doesn't resolve it
[15:58] <Afdal> I also notice quite a large number of PPAs on my sources list are now failing due to NO_PUBKEY errors
[15:59] <Afdal> On Xenial, 16.04
[16:02] <oerheks> 16.04 is EOL, dead jim
[16:02] <oerheks> upgrade to some supported version?
[16:03] <Afdal> Not an easy thing for me to do at the moment
[16:03] <Afdal> And presumably impossible without fixing this apt problem
[16:03] <oerheks> or better, reinstall
[16:03] <Afdal> That I definitely cannot do
[16:03] <oerheks> meh, apt problem
[16:03] <oerheks> good luck!
[16:03] <Afdal> I can't install OSs on this hardware
[16:04] <oerheks> you did, so you can
[16:04] <Afdal> Which is why upgrading my LTS is extra risky
[16:04] <Afdal> I did, back when I had a different motherboard, RAM, and CPU
[16:06] <Afdal> I don't remember installing any package update recently that had anything to do with apt
[16:06] <Afdal> Which led me to think at first that this was some kind of internet or DNS resolver problem
[16:07] <Afdal> getting pretty low download rates from the sources lists when I apt update
[16:07] <Afdal> like bytes per second