[00:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: We have a situation. Somehow our ISO size has exceeded the allowable 4.0GB and they're not building anymoree as of yesterday. What can wee eliminate?
[14:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: how much larger? Are there any parts of kde iso we start from that can be dropped?
[14:50] <OvenWerks> (I think we include the whole libre office chunk)
[14:51] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: do we ship more than one theme? I know we ship too many back drops.
[14:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> I already removed some stuff, including lmms for now. 
[14:52] <Eickmeyer[m]> We'll see what happens with today's build. Basically, we reached the hard technical limit of ISO9660.
[14:53] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: if you have removed that, then lv1 packages can go too
[14:53] <OvenWerks> (ladspa) and probably vst2 packages
[14:54] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: can we group these things into one meta that installer can readd?
[14:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> True, but I want to see how this build goes, which happens around 11am.
[14:55] <Eickmeyer[m]> Perhaps.
[14:55] <OvenWerks> The one thing that ladspa has that can't be found anywhere else is the ambsonics plugins
[14:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Something happened between the 26th and 27th that caused this. People I've talked to can't figure out what since we eliminated stuff prior.
[14:57] <Eickmeyer[m]> What's really killing us is the fonts.
[14:59] <OvenWerks> the iso I have from 23rd is already border line, ls -lh shows 4.1G
[15:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. 21.04 was 3.5, so something grew.
[15:00] <OvenWerks> plasma?
[15:00] <OvenWerks> Ardour? :)
[15:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Something. I'm honestly wondering if we should drop "publishing".
[15:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> That would take care 9f the fonts as well as other things.
[15:02] <OvenWerks> it would be nice to know how many people use these parts of things
[15:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> Specifically, on a live session.
[15:04] <OvenWerks> In many ways, someone doing publishing may find studio is not the best tool
[15:05] <Eickmeyer[m]> Agreed.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: making installer willing to source packages from a local partition to add in extra things would help.
[15:08] <OvenWerks> it would allow a full install off of a single USB stick off line
[15:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right, and that should be able to be done in theory.
[15:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Or simply let installer handle things after the fact.
[15:10] <OvenWerks> Some people like to do their whole install off line
[15:10] <OvenWerks> or have no choice
[15:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> To be honest, though, I think we should drop publishing from our scope. It gets into a weird territory that people don't expect from us.
[15:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Makes our scope a little too broad.
[15:16] <OvenWerks> I honestly can't really coment. Certainly graphics would be a part of pubishing but maybe not the reverse
[15:18] <Eickmeyer[m]> Nah, graphics is its own category. There is certainly some overlap, though.
[15:26] <OvenWerks> yes graphics is it's own catagory, but publishing would probably depend on it in most publishing workflows
[15:27] <OvenWerks> A novel would not (aside from cover art) but a brosure would
[15:47] <Eickmeyer> The publishing meta contains some graphics items as recommends (such as gimp), but the removal wouldn't affect the graphics meta since those same items are listed.