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zxmpion this day in 1955 eniac computer was retired12:08
penguin42I wonder what it's parts were reused in12:17
zxmpiprobably a lot, a *LOT* of valve radios :-P12:17
daftykinsheh some seems to survive - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ENIAC#/media/File:ENIAC_Penn1.jpg12:23
daftykinsalso, a happy weekend \o solid rain here, ideal time to start picking through the 3 new systems that have joined me at dafty HQ12:24
daftykinsa clients secretary's little cute Dell Latitude 3330 seems to be POSTing on less than 1 in 10 attempts12:25
zxmpipower supply or short?12:25
daftykinswell i fiddled around stripping it down, unplugging parts... fires up once in a while and behaves like normal, otherwise the power LED just lights white as is normal and no image ever pops up12:26
daftykinskinda tempted by an entire replacement board set from ebay for £40... but the thing is, this is 3rd gen intel Core... an entire newer generation ThinkPad can be had for not much more12:27
zxmpinot even a beep?12:42
daftykinsnope codes are allegedly conveyed by LEDs on this one, but none show up12:44
daftykinsi did feel a MOSFET on the board that seemed a bit toasty, could be within norms though12:44
zxmpii'd remove everything incuding ram and see if i can get anything consistently out of it12:45
daftykinsthat's what i started with :D pretty old hat in the hardware diagnosis circles, me - at least relative to my younger age of course :P12:45
daftykinsweirdly there's a stripped head screw far down in it though, so i'll have to get creative with a dremel clone to sort that out12:46
zxmpisounds like someone has been there before you12:46
daftykinsit's a bit weird 'cause i'm the only one that would work on this stuff, but i'm not in the habit of ruining screws... so i don't get it12:47
zxmpiscrews don't strip themselves. and it'd be something i'd remember a decade later12:47
zxmpione i used hacksaw on swiss army knife to saw a new slot on a screw so i could open the case and the other i remember i used chewing gum to grip what remainded to remove from pc12:49
zxmpii'll just leave this here https://boingboing.net/2021/10/02/the-history-of-teletext-in-18-minutes.html14:25
daftykinshttps://i.imgur.com/mJHBZar.jpg - came up once!15:34
penguin42any options under POST behaviour that might be useful?16:16
daftykinsdoubt it16:24
daftykinswhat's interesting is when it gives the power LED but no image, if you press power again, the fan spins up and runs for a bit before it cutting power16:25
penguin42no, I mean it's failing too early16:25
daftykinsyeah, not enough of a failure to trip the LED diagnostic system into showing an issue, too16:25
penguin42daftykins: I know people who have an M.2->PCIe->serial adapter chains in laptops17:25
daftykinswhat for? not quite following you17:26
penguin42getting early serial debug out - I think mostly from Linux kernels, but perhaps also bioses?17:26
ballserial ATA?17:27
ball...or, just serial?17:27
penguin42serial17:27
ballI like serial but it makes no sense for storage.17:27
ballMight go out on my bike.17:27
ball...before it rains again.17:28
penguin42ih yeh, nothing to do with sotrage17:28
ballAre there (E-key?) M.2 slots with serial pins?17:28
penguin42no idea - what I was talking about was slots with PCIe so then you convert to mini-PCIe to be able to plug in mini-PCIe serial adapters17:29
ballmini PCIe != M.2 though, right?17:29
ball(doesn't it predate M.2?17:29
ball)17:29
penguin42hence why I said an adapter17:30
penguin42electrically it's still PCIe (assuming it's PCIe M.2)17:30
ballYou didn't mention miniPCIe though, which might have contributed to the confusion.17:30
ballThat said, I didn't know miniPCIe serial boards were a thing.17:31
ballLet me kick off another Firefox build attempt and if the kids aren't home I'm going out on the pushbike.17:32
daftykinswhy are you wasting time with that over grabbing binaries?17:32
daftykinssweet, just managed to extract this ruined-head screw17:32
balldaftykins: This is for NetBSD on my Raspberry Pi 2B.17:32
balldaftykins: Did you cut a slot in it?17:33
daftykinshmm that just increases the nutty status of the task xD17:33
daftykinsno i didn't have to17:33
balldaftykins: even better.17:33
daftykinshttps://i.imgur.com/KcBD10L.jpg17:34
penguin42ball: Are you building it on the Pi?17:34
balldaftykins: I have a few old desktop PCs here that could run (some sort of) Ubuntu but I still want a NetBSD box for some things.  This Pi is not quite cutting it so I'm tempted to buy a Chaco Canyon NUC17:34
ballpenguin42: Yes.17:34
penguin42ball: Well, at least it gives you time for a long bike ride17:34
daftykinswouldn't that be more fitting of a VM?17:35
ballpenguin42: It'd give me time for several days of bike riding, if it works.17:35
ballpenguin42: Usually it fails on day 1 or 2 though.17:35
balldaftykins: I do have a NetBSD VM on my current Ubuntu desktop.17:35
daftykinsi managed to remove some fluff from inside the screwhead using a paperclip before i attacked it xD17:35
penguin42ball: run out of ram?17:36
ballpenguin42: Sometimes.17:36
ballpenguin42: I've given it a separate disk for swap though.17:36
ballThere are some things I can't do on my desktop if the VM is running and of course I have to shut it down (or perhaps pause it) when I reboot the Ubuntu box.17:37
ball...and sometimes the Ubuntu box just crashes.17:37
ball...so it would take the VM with it if that were running.17:37
* ball fights the temptation to buy an old blade server ;-)17:40
ballAlright, I'll try a Firefox 68 build.17:41
ballBack after the bike ride!17:41
daftykinsold release too? i don't get why you'd bother xD17:43
daftykinsok, ebay subtitute ordered for £32.95 - should work out nicely18:17
daftykinsjust the main board assembly essentially, might bork Windows activation but eh18:18
balldaftykins: Well I tried 93 but I don't have Rust.18:43
ball...so it won't build.18:43
ballLet's see whether it can build Python 37.19:42
ballHello Chris20:29

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