[00:09] <Kel> to all "linux stations"? Why is it written like a dead-drop radio transmission? xD
[00:10] <Kel> I have question for mister Rahim Fakir.
[00:13] <tomreyn> Kel: do you have an ubuntu support question, though?
[00:14] <Kel> tomreyn: I converted Ubuntu forum posts to the wiki like a decade ago and just hang out here to help out if I see a question I can answer.
[00:14] <tomreyn> nice :)
[00:17] <Crusher4> is there some deb search site that would make it easy to determine what version of openssh each version of ubuntu shipped with? so far i've only found ones for currently supported versions of ubnutu
[00:18] <oerheks> launchpad would tell
[00:18] <sarnold> Crusher4: you could grab the manifest files from all the old releases http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ and look for openssh-client in each
[00:18] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh
[00:19] <oerheks> oh, older than supported ones...
[00:20] <oerheks> doing homework?
[00:20] <sarnold> yeah, that launchpad page was going to be my answer until I re-read the question :) hehe
[00:20] <Crusher4> homework of a sort....network scanning my local network for outdated installs
[00:26] <Crusher4> nmap fingerprinting databases arent that great anymore, and setting up something fancier like greenbone takes time..nmap tells me ssh versions. we have general knowledge of what's a mac, what's ubuntu, etc... easy way to figure out what is probably ok, and what needs intervention
[00:27] <Crusher4> i was hoping to not have to scan package lists but...if that's what it comes down to, that's what I'll do. but thaks for that link oerheks, at least i got a little more presice info for some of the ones I already had from that
[00:28] <oerheks> oke, this channel is not about pentesting, nmap does not show ssh version
[00:28] <tomreyn> it does, with version detection, or the right scripts.
[00:29] <oerheks> protocol, yes
[00:29] <Crusher4> look, you asked if i was doing homework, so i answered your curiosity, nothing more
[00:29] <Crusher4> i'm here about ubuntu versions of things, not asking for help with anything other than that
[00:30] <sarnold> I'd go with scanssh first, it probably just works
[00:30] <sarnold> but if you've already got the banners..
[00:34] <Crusher4> yeah, i've already got banners. the problem is just correlating openssh versions of things to actual ubuntu versions. but anyway that answered questions about a couple more recent ones...i suppose if i only go back to 2016, i'm only missing about 6 ubuntu versions at this point...not so many that I cant do them by hand
[00:35] <Guest70> hi ?
[00:36] <tomreyn> Guest70: hi there.
[00:36] <Guest70> am here to help people xd
[00:38] <tomreyn> Crusher4: ideally you'd gain system level access and install some management agent or other monitoring mechanism. (but i assume you're well aware and want to spare yourself this potentially cumbersome (especially with older versions) work.)
[00:38] <tomreyn> Guest70: that's nice.
[00:43] <Crusher4> tomreyn: indeed. there are many upsides and downsides to each approach but as someone herding cats, i'm just trying to herd them towards being up to date and provide gentle reminders that you cant keep a version of ubuntu from 19tickity2 on the publicly accessible nets
[00:44] <level15> Hi. I am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 on an old-ish laptop (2017) with UEFI + secureboot.  I have downloaded the ISO, verified the sha256 hash and put it in a USB using dd. However, when  starting the laptop and hitting the key to select boot device, it only shows the on-disk Windows UEFI partition, not the USB one. I have verified that USB booting is enabled. What am I missing?
[00:44] <sarnold> we had to say tickity because the kaiser
[00:45] <oerheks> level15, did you disable fastboot? secureboot should be oke
[00:46] <level15> oerheks: I have not, let me try to find that in the UEFI settings
[00:48] <Crusher4> sarnold: i put an onion on my belt, as was the style at the time
[00:48] <sarnold> Crusher4 :D
[00:49] <Guest70> ?
[00:51] <level15> oerheks: disabled fastboot, now the USB UEFI entry is shown, but when I select it, the screen goes black for a few seconds, then the laptop beeps and comes back to the boot menu showing both the USB and the on disk windows partition
[00:52] <sarnold> :(
[00:54] <tomreyn> level15: maybe look for a bios update. especially early uefi implementations can be pretty buggy.
[00:54] <sarnold> heh I'm not sure 2017 is exactly "early".. but it is surprising :(
[00:55] <sarnold> I think I've heard that some vendors lock things down; it might be worth searching for the vendor name with your uefi linux web searches
[00:55] <tomreyn> other than that you could verify the data was properly written to the usb storage
[00:56] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/214488/how-one-can-re-read-image-with-dd-so-it-will-match-one-you-just-wrote#answers
[00:59] <level15> sarnold: laptop is an HP elite x2 G2. Most info I can find is about G1 or g3 or newer. And most people just go about by disabling secureboot, unfortunately.
[01:00] <sarnold> level15: eww. that hasn't been necessary for ages. heh.
[01:01] <sarnold> level15: (I mean, it's perfectly fine to disable secureboot if the lockdown permissions in the kernel are too strict for you, but that shouldn't affect booting..)
[01:02] <tomreyn> https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-elite-x2-1012-g2/15257609/swItemId/ob-273524-1
[01:03] <level15> tomreyn: thanks, let me try that
[01:03] <jcbjoe2021> Is systemd on Ubuntu different then say arch Linux?
[01:05] <tomreyn> jcbjoe2021: probably. but probably not a whole lot. other than versions, i guess.
[01:06] <jcbjoe2021> tomreyn: so the systemctl command is the same right? I noticed in Ubuntu I didn’t see gdm.service while running gnome
[01:08] <tomreyn> jcbjoe2021: there is gdm.service, though
[01:08] <sarnold> jcbjoe2021: check the output of systemctl cat display-manager.service   -- the first line probably says which service file is providing your display manager, if any
[01:08] <jcbjoe2021> Hmm I’m new to this I ran systemctl list-units was that the wrong command?
[01:09] <tomreyn> that lists "gdm.service" on this 18.04 LTS system i have
[01:09] <sarnold> I rarely use that command myself because I'm annoyed that it shows devices and mounts in it, too
[01:10] <tomreyn> there's   systemctl status   also
[01:10] <tomreyn> (which also lists   gdm.service   for me)
[01:27] <jcbjoe2021> The command is systemctl list-units —type=service
[01:28] <jcbjoe2021> It shows gdm.service
[01:28] <def_> hello
[01:28] <def_> anyone here ?
[01:29] <def_> @Drone
[01:31] <sarnold> jcbjoe2021: oh that's much nicer, much better. pity it's not the default :) systemd loves the super-long command lines
[01:54] <jcbjoe2021> yea
[02:13] <derDere> Hello folks, I was kindly directed to join libera instead of free node. I'm glad to see a lot op peps here thanks to betlegese600 for bringing me here
[02:15] <jcbjoe2021> Welcome derDere we are all feeenode rejects
[02:15] <derDere> and now one more ;D
[02:16] <derDere> sooooooooo... are there any terminal geegs online? I'm hoping someone maybe knows one ore two programs I'm looking for
[02:17] <derDere> I looking for somthing like rofi or dmenu but terminal only (I know actualy pointless but its for fun and unixporn)
[03:27] <Ginalo> Hi. Does anyone know how to resize an application window larger than the screen size? I'm trying to workaround the lack of scrolling screenshot utility in the Linux environment, and I read that this is one of them.
[03:31] <yukiup> i think if you hold down alt you can move the window bellow the frame, by holding alt and clicking+draging the mouse
[03:32] <yukiup> then maybe resize?
[03:46] <harpia> I'm on Impish beta and I see that Firefox (Snap) keeps creating the directory ~/Downloads/firefox.tmp everytime I run it. Is anyone else getting this? Known issue?
[03:47] <tomreyn> !impish
[04:52] <conjo> hi all-has anyone had problems with mouse wheel not working after upgrading form 18 to 20.04.3/21.04?
[05:03] <conjo> hi all can anyone explain what i need to do to install chromium form a live install, via software center sudo apt install what ever is simpler-when i try i get a msg about status code 409 snap change -conflict message=too early for operatiion -device not yet seeded or device model not achknowledged, never come accross this not sure how to handle or what to look up read about
[05:03] <conjo> typo from
[05:03] <conjo> was able to install hexchat after changing the sources
[05:04] <conjo> repo's
[05:07] <conjo> i was able to install with sudo apt install so all gud, but can anyone explain what was the problem with snap
[05:07] <conjo> how id go about troubleshooting if id wanted to persist with a snap install (just curious now)
[08:48] <joyce72> Hi, so I have an old Creative Prodikeys PC-MIDI USB keyboard, and I am running Ubuntu 20.4. I am trying to get MIDI playback working, but to no avail. Anyone knows how to set up MIDI devices?
[08:49] <enyc> joyce72: hrrm curious what audio channel to send you to ;p
[08:50] <enyc> joyce72: aah you are trying ot use midi keyboard as input  to a sequencer/tracker midi program of some form ?!!?!?!?
[08:50] <joyce72> yup - and I am trying to be able to listen to my playback as I compose my tracks
[08:51] <joyce72> the software I am using is Rosegarden
[09:03] <fling> How to install a package from source properly?
[09:27] <Kel> joyce72: some bloke on YouTube running linux had to pass it through a roland DAW of some definition
[09:28] <Kel> joyce72: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBPYblt9ghk
[09:31] <joyce72> I'm looking at said video - they are using Ardour as the DAW?
[09:47] <lotuspsychje> !make | fling
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> !midi | joyce72
[09:53] <joyce72> I can play music files fine
[09:54] <joyce72> I just don't hear any sound when I am playing music on the keyboard
[09:54] <joyce72> Rosegarden does show what key I am playing when I press a key
[09:54] <joyce72> but I hear nothing
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: one for you^
[09:56] <lotuspsychje> joyce72: other sounds work on your ubuntu?
[09:56] <joyce72> yes
[09:56] <TJ-> joyce72: that may be that you need the midi soundfonts - long time since I used that stuff but recall needing to install them
[10:00] <joyce72> got it working - seems like my audio devices weren't set up properly
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> great joyce72
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:35] <eye_> Hi people
[11:59] <linocisco> Hello all, I have problem printing to canon LBP 3050 via USB
[12:00] <linocisco> printer has been detected and correct driver has been installed. But print jobs were always in the queue and not actually printed
[12:06] <sudorm> hi, how to update the root certificats on Ubuntu?
[12:08] <tomreyn> sudorm: the update-ca-certificates(8) man page explains
[12:09] <tomreyn> this may not affect all applications, though
[12:09] <tomreyn> particularly snaps, i assume, won't be reading this.
[12:18] <ogra> certificates for snaps come from /snap/core{18,20}/current/etc/ssl/certs/ ...
[12:19] <ogra> and are updated when a new core/core18/core20 snap is released ... which happens whenever any of the shipped files inside one of these base snaps changes in the ubuntu archive
[12:28] <sudorm> thanks!
[13:00] <tomreyn> ogra: do snaps also have a way for users to add private CA certificates?
[13:05] <tomreyn> i guess that's ecosystem bug 1901586
[13:38] <ogra> tomreyn, currently only on Ubuntu Core, not on classic installs yet
[13:40] <ogra> tomreyn, the proposed fix in the bug is pretty straightforward though ...
[13:42] <tomreyn> thanks
[14:02] <BinarySavior> i had power outage and now my video driver is not loading correctly... i had made the mistake of installing the video driver from .run file because the driver installed via apt wasn't working
[14:02] <BinarySavior> it's nvidia a nvidia driver
[14:03] <BinarySavior> do I need to uninstall the current driver before I try to install via apt again?
[14:03] <BinarySavior> or ubuntu-drivers, rather, is what i used to install originally when it didn't work
[14:16] <BinarySavior> i dont know why, but rebooting into recovery, trying to check disk for errors (which failed), and rebooting, seemed to solve the issue, now my driver is properly loaded again
[14:21] <tomreyn> prefer the ubuntu packaged drivers over nvidia.com's, fully uninstall nvidia.com's before you install the ubuntu packaged ones. check s.m.a.r.t state of the storage media if you assume it can be physically broken.
[14:28] <iomari891>  greetings, How can I remove a virtual interface? Whe I run "ip link delete <interface>, I get RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported.
[14:37] <tomreyn> iomari891: you ran it with sudo?
[14:38] <tomreyn> what's the output for    ip link show <device>   ? (you might want to [REDACT] the interface mac address)
[17:34] <culobulo> henlo, i am facing a strange issue with my ubuntu 20.04 , everytime i turn off animations using gnome-tweak or gsettings set, my animations settings are enabled again after restart/gnome restart/lock/logout
[17:34] <culobulo> though when i create a new user account and tried to disable animations in that account the setting persisted.
[17:34] <culobulo> anyone here can help me to troubleshoot what might be problem
[17:35] <culobulo> same problem has been already reported by this person on this thread https://askubuntu.com/questions/1347605/changes-via-gsettings-set-for-gnome-animations-have-to-be-restored-after-every
[17:36] <culobulo> but, for me my settings are reverted back in my current account only, i experimented by disabling animation in new account and there was no issue of settings getting reverted back in that account
[17:36] <culobulo> i hope i am asking in correct channel here
[17:36] <pycurious> I've a pid for a python program that is asking for manual input on the screen. How can I connect to that tty/terminal to interact with the program?
[17:42] <tomreyn> culobulo: while logged in as the user for which it does not persist, does this return something about gnome or gsettings? and how many lines are reported?     find $HOME \( \! -uid $(id -u) \) -o \( \! -gid $(id -g) \)
[17:44] <culobulo> @tomreyn, thanks for response, i have just found that if i disable all my gnome extensions and then disable animations through gsettings and logout, then animations are not being reverted on back
[17:44] <culobulo> now i need to find if this is some faulty extension
[17:45] <tomreyn> pycurious: you can run it in a terminal multiplexer (e.g. GNU Screen, tmux, byobu), you can try to move the input channel to a virtual terminal (using e.g. reptyr), you can script the input using 'expect'.
[17:46] <culobulo> tomreyn, oh i think i fixed it, it was an extension which had some animatins settings
[17:46] <tomreyn> culobulo: in my experience, the best you can do about gnome-shell-extensions is to use as few as possible.
[17:47] <culobulo> tomreyn, yeah, thats helpful advice, but somehow i have just started experimenting with whole ubuntu/linux thing so i am trying to make my desktop experience as homely as possible. :)
[17:48] <tomreyn> culobulo: keep an eye on journalctl -f   during the day. you'll see plenty of gnome error messages or warnings, it'll get worse with more extensions installed.
[17:51] <tomreyn> it's pretty vocal, so several are just spurious, but those can also be incompatibilities with those extensions pre-installed by ubuntu, or just badly written/maintained extensions you installed.
[17:53] <hiya> OpenVPN Network Manager plugin isn't updating /etc/resolv.conf when connected to VPN
[17:53] <hiya> How to fix?
[18:13] <rfm> hiya, I know nothing about OpenVPN but in general with ubuntu resolv/conf never changes, always points at the loopback which systemd-resolved is listening to.  use resolvvectll to display where resolved is forwarding to, that's what should be changing as you connect
[18:20] <goddard> whats the difference between the nvidia packages and the -server variant?
[18:21] <hiya> rfm: I am on 16.04 LTS
[18:25] <rfm> hiya, well, I don't remember when the resolved stuff came in.  apparently too old for me to help..
[18:25] <null1> 17th wedding anny 2day ;). Hiiiiiii alllll!!!
[18:28] <goddard> huh?
[18:38] <leftyfb> !ot | null1
[18:51] <hiya> rfm: no problem
[18:52] <tomreyn> hiya: note that 16.04 LTS is end of life, not supported here (you might have extended support from Canonical via !ESM)
[19:04] <Exterminador> hello. I was wondering if there's a way to see how many machines I currently have attached to Ubuntu LivePatch service?
[19:29] <oerheks> Exterminador, maybe if you login on your ubuntu account?
[19:29] <oerheks> https://ubuntu.com/security/livepatch
[19:32] <Exterminador> I must be missing something, since I can't see the number of machines attached to an account...
[21:22] <rodri> I see close to 100% CPU usage for a process while all the cores are pretty much at 20-30% utilization on a 32 core machine. What's going on? Is the process using only 1 core? But then why is no core at 100%?
[21:24] <rodri> Or is the 100% counted across cores? So like 5% from each core on a multi-threaded process with 32 threads using all 32 cores for example.
[21:45] <pasiz> counted on core. thus system load would be 1 if one core size pipeline is full.
[22:07] <JoeLlama> How many people here have memory leaks?  If I run my PC with 6GB RAM, by the end of the day I am down to 2% and I have to reboot.
[22:41] <privato89> Hi guys
[22:42] <privato89> How can I change the mirror of my system?
[22:42] <privato89> they are very slow
[22:44] <EriC^^> privato89: software&updates
[22:45] <EriC^^> privato89: or run 'software-properties-gtk' in a terminal
[22:45] <Bashing-om> privato89: A GUI way -- ^^ -- try opening the Ubuntu software center, click the Edit menu > "Software Sources" and click the "Software" tab - try selecting a different mirror from the dropdown list ("Download from") .
[22:51] <privato89> thanks guys
[23:44] <rodri> pasiz So what I see is that all cores are at 20-30% utilization, average load at ~3 but this one process at 100% on CPU% column
[23:44] <Error> hi there - im trying to assign ipv6 but getting the following errors https://paste.debian.net/1214142/ .. looked up but cannot find any solutions
[23:45] <rodri> pasiz So is the process bottlenecked on compute or is it not?