[00:00] Error: which ubuntu version is this? did you install it yourself, or is this a host provided image? [00:00] do oyu know which virtualization thi sis? [00:02] ubuntu 18.04 virtualization KVM [00:02] there's no "networking.service" in 18.04 LTS, though. did you create this yourself? [00:03] not sure about the installation part though cos its not mine [00:03] nah [00:03] i havent touched anything without the adding ipv6 in interface [00:03] does your host recommend setting network properties via /etc/network/interfaces? this is deprecated in ubuntu [00:04] are you using a cloud virtual machine service? [00:04] i have just https://www.e2enetworks.com/help/knowledge-base/how-to-assign-ipv6-on-ubuntu-server/ followed this [00:05] hostsailor [00:05] can you show the output of nc termbin.com 9999 < <(lsb_release -ds;cat /proc/{version_signature,cmdline}) [00:06] one sec [00:06] Error: I looked online and found a page that says "Yes, our vps support IPv6 just send us a ticket to request one or more ipv6.", did you open a ticket to get ipv6 enabled already? [00:06] any way to compare the current installation with a fresh installation to see what has changed? [00:08] seems like it would be a cool program to have [00:08] tomreyn : https://termbin.com/o9sr [00:08] if it doesn't exist [00:08] goddard: debsums can change changed files which belong to packages [00:08] is everything in ubuntu a package? [00:08] Error: see https://netplan.io on how to configure networking on Ubuntu Server using the "systemd-networkd" renderer [00:09] goddard: not everything, but the very most. [00:10] hmm okay gotta see if maybe some kind of crazy bash magic script could help with debsums or something [00:10] tar_xvf : on control panel its show it has ipv6 like /64 so i was thinking i dont need to open a ticket [00:11] sudo debsums -as [00:12] How many people here have memory leaks? If I run my PC with 6GB RAM, by the end of the day I am down to 2% and I have to reboot. [00:13] can you run top or htop and see what is consuming the memory? [00:13] That's 2% of free memory left after all programs have been closed... I know some of you have noticed this... [00:14] tomreyn : thanks...should i just install netplan do i have to remove anything? [00:14] hi tar_xvf and yes... [00:14] mostly I think firefox [00:14] Error: do you use this VPS as a server or as a desktop? [00:14] server [00:14] tar_xvf how do you tell where the leaks are... you can see how much is being used but you can't tell what is missing after the application is closed. [00:15] but yeah, after I close firefox memory goes missing [00:15] Opera too :. [00:15] Error: then netplan and systemd-networkd would be default, yes. i don't know why the image you're using differs from those defaults, though. this is something you should maybe check with the hosting provider [00:15] mostly for znc though...but somebody just given it to to to fix ipv6 ;( and im flopping big time [00:15] how can we recover memory from a memory leak without rebooting? [00:16] when I first run lubuntu I have about 83% of my 6 GB [00:16] JoeLlama: by exiting or killing the respective process. [00:16] JoeLlama: and the memory doesn't get cleared up after you close firefox? I would have thought that all that memory which is still being used by the application without being free'd would be cleared when you close firefox/opera [00:16] this has become a real problem in recent years [00:17] JoeLlama: "free" memory may be misleading. see linuxatemyram.com [00:17] tomreyn unfortunately memory lost from a memory leak does not come back by exiting or killing a process [00:17] at the end of the day with all appliations closed I have 2% of my RAM left [00:17] see above [00:17] oh ok thanks tomreyn [00:17] I look (: [00:18] tomreyn I just know then I run outta ram and it starts swapping things get BAD :( [00:18] some claim memory leaks with social media pages open [00:19] have you experienced any actual hampered performance when you continued to let the free memory dwindle instead of restarting before it decreases to 0%? [00:19] it's all those embeded JavaScript based bitcoin miners :P [00:19] thanks again tomreyn I will check that site out later when my work is done... see, this is why I come to #ubuntu :) [00:19] with a busy modern web browser and a graphical desktop and maybe other software running, 6 GB RAM can indeed be insufficient these days. [00:19] JoeLlama: tldr is the free RAM is used by linux for disk caching, and will immediately be cleared when it is needed without losing performance, so it is not a cause for concern. [00:20] oerheks I don't do social media :/ [00:20] I have 80GB in my box [00:20] (I have no life) [00:20] tar_xvf it only happens when I run outta memory and I start disk swapping then things get bad [00:21] I am wondering if this is a "me" thing or if this is a well known issue... I see lots of users complainging about it [00:21] tomreyn yeah true 6 GB is not enough..., unfortunately, I have about 27 of these computers and 6 GB is the limit set by BIOS [00:22] I think that memory leaks are being ignored as people throw ram at it... like nr0q_radio said... I can only wish nr0q_radio :) [00:22] JoeLlama: sorry to hear that. which hardware is this? [00:22] okay tar_xvf I will keep that in mind [00:23] I have piles of Dell Inspiron 1720's [00:23] I'm actually pretty happy with my OS's performance, I find that if I actually close browser tabs, I can get my memory usage way down [00:23] https://dpaste.org/7xRS I want to install nvidia-settings.... but it looks like it wants to bring in gnome desktop. Am I reading the ouput correctly? [00:24] mostly with the NVidia GeForce 8600's graphics... right now I cannot use those systems with linux because of an issue with the NVidia drivers.,,, they are borked I think when 5.11 came out. [00:24] waiting for a fix [00:24] the systems I can use are using Intel Crestline graphics... I think GM965 [00:24] I will look dman777 thanks [00:25] nr0q_radio yes my memory comes back when I close my browser tabs but not all of it [00:25] 8600 .. maybe the 340 driver works on those ancient cards [00:25] from what I read this is a known issue [00:26] JoeLlama: hmm okthose are really old laptops. [00:26] yeah ancient :) [00:26] yup yup old old [00:26] got piles of them [00:26] not willing to just toss them I save old computers [00:26] and maybe youtube 3 frames/second [00:26] maybe you can cluster them ;) [00:26] hrm [00:27] I have had people try to tell me that a program I'm helping dev has a memory leak but when they close it out, and wait several minutes they are back to where they started, yes the program will use a little more memory as your using it if your constantly adding data for it to kerchunk [00:27] well this is all good information... I will just keep dancing this mess around [00:28] in my (old) world where I went to college to learn programming memory leaks were unacceptable.,. these days it's just part of doing business. [00:28] [citation needed] but ok [00:28] when I write a program all the memory is recovered on exit [00:28] there are some othe rlinux distros you could consider, which target old computers specifically [00:28] :P [00:28] yeah I use lubuntu tomreyn I like it a lot [00:28] yeah ours is too, it just takes the OS 4-5min to do it since memory recovery is often a low priority task unless your running in defecit [00:29] JoeLlama: lubuntu is not one of them [00:29] works really well for most things ,,, even wine for windows emulation works pretty well for me :) [00:29] oh :/ [00:29] what are they tomreyn? [00:29] I still like lubuntu [00:30] lubunt is nice, i'm just saying it's not / no longer a distribution targetting old systems. they changed the desktop environment and require similar specifications as ubuntu and kubuntu now. [00:30] *Lubuntu [00:30] oh yes I understand tomreyn right.... [00:31] would regular ubuntu with xfce or lxde work? [00:31] it does not seem to be looking to save very old systems [00:31] yeah LXQt here [00:32] i suggest asking for suggestions on #linux [00:32] I think it's a shame to toss a perfectly good computer in the trash... a computer than can work for many years and do it's job properly and fast. [00:32] yeah ok tomreyn good idea [00:32] I have a really old Dell D2400 that I need to plug in one last time, drop anything I want off the drive to my NAS and then pack the case full of tannerite and site in my rifle [00:32] I have about 60 laptops here... all old [00:33] I have a new Focal server install. I also installed X11 and xinit. https://dpaste.org/MSAA When I go into the X server, there is no cursor. This is on my PC. I am not finding anything (unless I am missing it) about mouse issues [00:33] aw :/ [00:33] but at some point they just aren't worth burning the extra electricity waiting on them to do something that runs in a few seconds on even a 2-3yr old system today [00:33] that's the problem with this world... rip the planet up to get materials to build a computer, use it for three years, get a new one and toss the old one out to the dump. [00:34] hrm [00:34] just sad imho [00:34] okay I step off my soapbox now [00:34] thanks for the help all good information [00:35] and coming from a business perspective, I had a hard time convincing my hire ups that they did get their money out of win95/winNT boxes they bought cheap in the 90s but that it'd be cheaper to replace them before they died and not wait until we were off-the-air for a week waiting on new equipment [00:35] my first "real" computer was an IBM PC cassette interface and 16K motherboard upgradeable to 64K back in '81 or '82 [00:35] win95 bites along with win98 and winME but winNT rox :) [00:36] had a lot of old pre 2k boxes that had been running 24/7 365 since the mid 90s into the mid 2010s [00:36] win95/98/ME were a virus [00:36] yeah nr0q_radio even so they did hold up mostly didn't they? [00:37] win95/98/ME you could crash over the internet by sending a packet to port 139 :( VERY bad TCP/IP stacks [00:37] had a win95 box that wasn't anything special, running a DOS based control system that the on-air talent interfaced with to pick songs, setup satellite feeds, etc, and a RHEL box underneath it with no user interface that just took commands over a RS422 line from the win box, the linux box did the music/ad playout, was very 90s tech [00:37] WinNT without PnP I could run for years without shutting down [00:38] please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic for chats - #ubuntu is really just for support [00:38] ahh ok, see you there [00:38] thanks [00:38] okay tomreyn I'm done anyways [00:38] oh ok I go talk there :) [00:40] https://dpaste.org/7xRS#L53,57,63 How can I install nvidia-settings without pulling in gnome desktop? I ran sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings --no-install-recommends --no-install-suggests but it still wants to pull in a tone gnome softwar [00:43] dman777, what desktop do you use then? and ubuntu version? [00:44] stettings is a graphical tool, so ... [00:44] oerheks: I am using Ubuntu server focal. I am not using a desktop....just X11 server alone atm [00:45] i guess, the answer is no? [00:46] sorry, I don't understand exactly what you are asking [00:47] oerheks: I installed using Ubuntu Focal ubuntu-20.04.2-live-server-amd64.iso. There is no desktop managers. [00:49] Hi. Has anyonw ever ran to an issue where you cant select text on `gedit` nor the terminal using either mouse or keyboard? === M4he is now known as mahe === rodybig is now known as rodri [01:40] Every time I run dpkg --configure -a my Ubuntu 20.04 system locks up [01:41] I could use some help I don't know what to do [01:50] devslash-: A place to start troubleshooting is to see what the package manager thinks - what results in the 1st step of ' sudo apt update ' ? [01:52] It updates [01:52] Then says I have 117 packages to upgrade [01:53] devslash-: Now try 2nd ' sudo apt full-upgrade ' :D [01:53] If I do apt upgrade it says dpkg was interrupted [01:53] Samr [01:53] devslash-: If errors - please pastebin the complete output. [01:54] !paste | devslash- [01:54] devslash-: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [01:54] It says to run dpkg --configure -a [01:54] Every time that I run that command ubunru locks up [01:54] devslash-: Should ^^ give a list of why .. we need to see that list. [01:55] No [01:55] Doesn't say anything else [01:58] devslash-: Not much help then ,,, let's try ' sudo apt autoclean ; sudo apt autoremove ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo apt -f install ; sudo dpkg -C '. [03:08] 20.04 i HAVE A CHROME WINDOW AND i CANNOT GRAB THE BOTTOM TO MAKE THE WINDOW LESS TALL. help [03:08] OOPS CAPS [03:08] sorry [03:09] the "good ole alt-grab" no longer works. [03:21] what? (I moved the window to the left and it got smaller.) Works now, I solved MY problem. [03:22] !yay | morganu [03:22] morganu: Glad you made it! :-) [03:26] thanks... that reteaches me how to use ubottu. The other day I searched online and could not find how to talk politely enough to get him to listen. lol. [03:31] morganu: Talking to google is in fact a deep act of diplomacy. [03:32] looking it up myself before asking is a must, just basically polite. === AKTheKnight9 is now known as AKTheKnight === rud0lf- is now known as rud0lf === Craighton_ is now known as Craighton === not_phunyguy is now known as phunyguy === GLaDER8 is now known as GLaDER === wolfdale1 is now known as wolfdale === cyrinux00 is now known as cyrinux0 === tofran4 is now known as tofran === WireTark is now known as Tark === WaV2 is now known as WaV === dabbill_ is now known as dabbill === Bencraft2 is now known as Bencraft === DocMors_ is now known as DocMors === arh- is now known as arh === scoobydoob is now known as scoobydoo === m_ueberall is now known as ueberall === wille2 is now known as wille === N3X15_ is now known as N3X15 === oldgalileo7 is now known as oldgalileo === cryocaustik7 is now known as cryocaustik === Thumpxr8 is now known as Thumpxr === Tabstar is now known as Tabmow === scjosh2 is now known as scjosh === ajfriesen2 is now known as ajfriesen === Kobaz_ is now known as Kobaz === pitninja_ is now known as pitninja === zareem3 is now known as zareem === invisiblek_ is now known as invisiblek === madhens_ is now known as madhens === philroche_ is now known as philroche === juwain__ is now known as juwain_ === pasiz4 is now known as pasiz === rud01f4 is now known as rud01f === compuguy1 is now known as compuguy === davidv76 is now known as davidv7 === WildSoft_ is now known as WildSoft === aaguhagegaooeg is now known as westor === Amaranth8 is now known as Amaranth === westor is now known as Guest6236 === terrorjack1 is now known as terrorjack === jimmyb1 is now known as jimmyb === anonimip_ is now known as anonymip === stanglavine2 is now known as stanglavine === de-facto_ is now known as de-facto === tebruno993 is now known as tebruno99 === A_Dragon is now known as Awoobis === Escimo0 is now known as Escimo === LjL^ is now known as LjL === keypushe- is now known as keypusher === rexbinary_ is now known as rexbinary [04:37] hi there. any data analystis/marketers using ubuntu, i have some use case questions. plus, do you use ubuntu for your business? are you missing anything? === m_ueberall is now known as ueberall === SmokenatorZ61 is now known as SmokenatorZ6 === m0nkey__ is now known as m0nkey_ === teward_ is now known as teward === toozej8 is now known as toozej [04:41] hi there. any data analystis/marketers using ubuntu, i have some use case questions. plus, do you use ubuntu for your business? are you missing anything? === cryocaustik7 is now known as cryocaustik === AKTheKnight7 is now known as AKTheKnight [04:42] additionally - how big is your /home partition? === Bencraft2 is now known as Bencraft [04:49] !partitioning | gruntovcan [04:49] gruntovcan: For help with partitioning a new install see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition | For partitioning programs, see !GParted (recommended) or !PartitionManager. Other partitioning topics include !fstab, !home, and !swap [04:50] ch === Waggie2 is now known as Waggie === polymorp- is now known as polymorphic === MrMattsm1nd is now known as MrMattsmind === Loshki_ is now known as Loshki === pitninja_ is now known as pitninja === pntaylor_ is now known as pntaylor === Lucifargundam[m] is now known as DerlgM === DerlgM is now known as DerlgMM === DerlgMM is now known as DerlgM === love_ is now known as enelysion === MrA is now known as Ders === Morpheus is now known as Mekaneck [09:24] Hi. Again I have issue with apt (permission error). /var/lib/apt/lists had all owners as root. But every now and then some file gets the owner _apt ? Why is this occuring, and what does it mean? [09:41] hello all [09:42] i tried to turnoff the updater ( ubuntu 20.04 ) , but it still shows up .. is there a know way to get it off ? [09:43] even editing : APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; [09:43] APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1"; [09:44] does not work somehow.. [09:45] any tips or insight is welcome since it constantly is breaking my vm machine server boot [10:18] g 11 04:46:52 2021 GM to Nov 9 04:46:50 2021 GM [10:18] * * Cipher info: [10:48] hi === Guest6236 is now known as westor [11:32] cd Desktop === Guest5348 is now known as whodunit [12:13] hello how to copy all files into the same directory with a new suffix for example [12:18] fedorafan: linux file systems and shells have no concept of file suffixes, so it's basically just "renaming the file, based on a pattern". [12:18] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44326716/shell-copy-a-file-but-changing-extension#answers [12:19] thx someone else also told me a shell script i wanna try thanks [12:25] tomreyn yeah i used something very similar people in another room also told me to use such a script and it seems to work thanks [12:26] please don't cross-post, though [12:31] cross-post? [12:32] tomreyn do you want to forbid me to ask in other rooms too are you serious [12:32] did i get you right [12:33] would you be diligent enough to inform all the rooms you asked when you do find the solution to your issue? [12:33] how can I installed 32 bit compatibility of my nvidia driver to run old games in wine? [12:33] i did so yeah [12:33] otherwise just forget? [12:33] highlight me ask me [12:33] guys [12:34] focus on your topics here am out now i have enough for now here [12:48] * ramblebamble shakes head [12:55] Hi folks === BinarySavior_ is now known as BinarySavior === Azonic_ is now known as Azonic [13:44] okay i figured out my issue. i had two repos from nvidia, one for cuda, and one for regular drivers, apt was prioritizing the cuda repo, and that driver had no i386 candidate, so it was only installing the 64bit version. I had to disable the cuda repo, uninstall my nvidia drivers, then install again, now I have 32bit compatibility [13:45] so does that mean I wont be able to use cuda & play my old 32 bit games on the same environment? [13:53] anyone able to tell me where there is good directions for installing multiple instances of ubuntu on wsl2 (older version 16.04 and 14.04?) [13:55] BinarySavior: O [13:55] I think it's possible to have a package for multiple architectures installed [13:57] BinarySavior, running 64bit and Steam installs 32bit libraries, so it is possible, BTW, I am using Arch [13:57] yea but 32-bit libs are not available under cuda repo [13:58] also would a VM be an option? seeing that the games are old/er their requirements might not be so dramatic [13:58] So? you don't want to install cuda 32bit anyways [13:58] i'm playing diablo 2, it does run in a vm but it's not very fun [13:58] cuda doesn't have 32bit candidate for libnvidia-gl-470 [13:59] KBar, yes, if such packages exist [13:59] the libraries are used by the application, so IMHO the application should go out of it's way and load them by itself to talk to the driver [14:00] would be appropriate to quote Linus' words about nvidia [14:00] why do you want cuda32bit anyways if diabolo is not requiring it [14:00] i'm using cuda for other projects, i added the repo to apt and now apt prioritizes the cuda libs over the regular nvidia libs [14:01] do you have enough free space? [14:01] So? The other projects use cuda and diabolo/the application you use to run diabolo loads the 32bit libraries, not a big deal, as I said steam does it [14:01] is there a seperate channel for ubuntu on wsl2? [14:01] so even though i added i386 architecture to apt, it doesn't install the 32bit version because it searches cuda first, it finds the package i want (64bit) but it doesn't have the 32 bit version [14:01] one option would be to install ubuntu on a free partition to play older games. for this purpose explicitly [14:02] BinarySavior https://askubuntu.com/questions/27362/how-to-only-install-updates-from-a-specific-repository [14:03] Also, I believe there to be an option to change the priority of the repositories [14:04] nice, that would have been easier than commenting out the repo in the cuda.list file [14:04] transhumanist i dont believe so [14:04] ok thansk [14:05] BinarySavior, my memory served me well, see here https://askubuntu.com/questions/135339/assign-highest-priority-to-my-local-repository [14:05] yw [14:39] What is the prefereable Ubuntu version these days? 20.04 LTS or 21.04? [14:41] I thought they were going to suport ubuntu for like 20 years or something , why is ubuntu 16.04 so broken, sigh [14:42] I broke my ubuntu the other day but im new and playing around so :/ [14:42] 21.04 seems to be only supported for 9 months. That sounds pretty crazy. What happens after those 9 months? [14:44] beuys: You can upgrade to a newer release. [14:44] kc2bez: Via "apt-get dist-upgrade"? [14:44] beuys, people who use the non-LTS versions would then typically upgrade to the newest LTS or non-LTS release [14:45] via do-release-upgrade beuys beuys [14:45] if you aren't interested in those, then you should be sticking to the longer supported LTS releases [14:45] I think I'll go with 20.04 TLS. I don't want to have to fiddle with it again in just 9 months. [14:47] I guess companies all use the TLS version. [14:48] LTS [14:48] hey there ; i can't start lightdm-settings : "Could not load /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf.". Missing package ? [14:48] google doens't help me [14:48] hello. i am having random hangs/freezes when using ubuntu on a 10 year old laptop with atom processor. this issue didnt occur on windows 7. any way to prevent the hangs/freezes? [14:48] Are there any other alternatives to supervisord to run process groups on ubuntu? I want to run a webserver with multiple processes [14:48] I feel better being in one boat with all the enterprise users out there. Rather than with private users who are fine with updates every few months. [14:49] daoumilseitek, what version are you using? [14:49] sonicwind: linuxmint (is it allowed there ?) 20 Ulyana === Guest5 is now known as linuxfreezes [14:50] hello again.. hello. i am having random hangs/freezes when using ubuntu on a 10 year old laptop with atom processor. this issue didnt occur on windows 7. any way to prevent the hangs/freezes? [14:50] LTS versions of ubuntu are released in april of even years [14:50] daoumilseitek, this is for Ubuntu support. I think they send Mint folks elsewhere [14:50] e.g. 20.04, 18.04, 16.04 [14:50] anything else is not LTS [14:50] so 21.04 is not LTS but 22.04 will be LTS [14:50] i asked on #linuxmint, i'll try the official channel [14:51] anyone help me out! [14:51] linuxfreezes: is it an asus ? [14:51] or acer ? [14:51] it is an acer aspire aod250 [14:52] daoumilseitek acer [14:52] somehow the ssh session works but xfce stops [14:52] and works if i initiate a sudo reboot [14:52] linuxfreezes: is it a slow freeze or total immediate freeze ? [14:52] but xfce never works [14:53] an immediate freeze [14:53] usually when opening websites on firefox [14:53] ok well it kind of reminds me of my issue, but don't get your hopes up i didn't find a solution [14:53] yep soudns like it [14:53] Is this channel logged? [14:53] daoumilseitek then it is bad [14:53] daoumilseitek yours was an acer? [14:53] linuxfreezes: the exact issue was never made clear but it had to do with graphics incompatibility [14:53] yes it was [14:54] it sometimes freezes on boot [14:54] either the driver or hardware was incompatible with graphics system used in firefox [14:54] yes me too [14:54] only sshing to it from a remote machine works and you can reboot it [14:54] i would have random hard freezes, without even a note in the kernel logs ! [14:54] daoumilseitek me? [14:54] are you talking to me? [14:54] no [14:55] LOOL123, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ [14:55] if it persists i will need to install windows 7 or something again [14:55] sonicwind: then yes it is logged? [14:55] afraid so [14:55] daoumilseitek do you think lxde will fix the issue? [14:55] LOOL123, yes [14:55] ok [14:55] i don't think it's related to xfce [14:55] hm [14:55] more some low level graphics stuff [14:56] hm [14:56] i asked about it on mozilla forum, nobody could provide a definitive answer [14:56] is there a way to restart/force restart xfwm4/xfce session from a remote ssh client? [14:56] so that i ssh to it from phone and type a command, hoping that it may restart the gui [14:57] without having to reboot [14:57] there should be, but i think it's the whole graphic system that crashes, not just xfce [14:57] have you tried killing it [14:57] I am dding an iso to a thumb drive with "status=progress" and dd showd "1.5 GB copied" after just a second or so. [14:57] freezes* [14:58] daoumilseitek hm xfwm4, i can kill it but dont know how to start it (from a ssh client on phone) [14:58] daoumilseitek with a pgrep and sudo kill -9 pid [14:58] basically the window hangs from the laptop [14:58] doesn't it restart by itself ? [14:58] i cant open a terminal [14:58] no it doesnt! [14:58] hu [14:59] i will check it again this time [14:59] ask xfce maybe [14:59] perhaps i got a message from the phone that display is not available [14:59] so, it is something that can be started from a windowed GUI [14:59] not from a terminal remote session [15:02] does that billionare still own ubuntu? [15:03] shuttlesworth or whatever [15:04] i dont think he is a billionaire and he is not the owner of ubuntu [15:04] he is the ceo of canonical, the company behind ubuntu [15:04] but ubuntu itself is entirely a community project [15:09] Wow, they have over 500 employees. [15:09] I wonder what they all do. [15:13] thas why linux mint is better than ubuntu even is a ubuntu distro dont do what this greedy canonical boys thas all i'gonna say i dont gonna put more pepper to the chatting here [15:13] :P [15:16] being a provider of services for fees is business as usual, not greedy at all [15:18] FTR found the solution : had to add [15:18] [Greeter] [15:18] srv: Problem with Mint is that it has no security. You can circumvent the screensaver by plugging in (or out) an external monitor. [15:18] clock-format=%H:%M [15:18] to /etc/lightdm/slick-greeter.conf [15:19] canonical=red-hat=microsoft= greedy ppl they only want one thin $$$$$$$$$$ [15:19] woops wrong channel [15:19] canonical ? [15:19] why ? [15:20] hacks srv into the next galaxy [15:20] ooppsie [15:22] srv, wrong perspective ... canonical has only recently started making any revenue at all ... for the 15y before mark shuttleworth paid developers from his own pocket to maintain a free stable package archive (and provide security fixes for it) that has enabled linux mint to exist at all [15:23] I'm trying to run 4 processes for my webserver- systemctl or superviro or something else? [15:24] test the ones you know how [15:24] then you know [15:25] how red-hat make money ? [15:26] services for fees [15:26] selling software [15:26] software with suppport [15:26] (they make oney by selling licenses for a closed version of linux) [15:26] s/closed/trademarked/ [15:27] is there a good alternative for ubuntu-liveupdate that is free? [15:27] not really [15:30] hi [15:38] Working with ubuntu 21.10: quite stable [15:39] So I booted into the Ubuntu stick. And it gives me no option "install ubuntu". Just "ubuntu / ubuntu (safe graphics) / oem install (for manufacturers)". Which one should I use? Do you install Ubunut after booting it from the thumb drive? [15:40] it means you booted with uefi [15:40] use ubuntu [15:40] desktop should boot up [15:40] then ubiquity (installer) comes up [15:40] KBar: Ok. Booting ... so no txt based installer? [15:40] and will give you 2 options: [15:40] try or install ubuntu [15:41] i dont think recent version have the classic text-based debian-installer [15:41] Ok. Currently it is "checking disks"... [15:41] versions* [15:42] it should not take a long time. if you're not in a hurry, its better to let it run [15:42] Is it checking the thumb drive? [15:43] usb stiks are quite slow usually [15:43] yes. its checking the filesystem [15:43] of your thumb drive (that contains the ISO) [15:44] I preferred an installation process through the cd [15:44] can you fit the standard ISO into a cd tho? [15:46] dvd [15:46] ah [15:49] beuys success? [15:50] KBar: So far so good. Looking at the partition manager now. [15:50] awesome! good luck [15:50] Well, it seems not to be a partition manager. [15:51] It lets me select partitions but not delete/create/resize them. [15:51] oh you can [15:51] Oh yes, I see! [15:51] you just need to select something else [15:51] great! [15:51] The "-" button deletes one. [15:52] Hm... how many MBs are 100GB? 100000? [15:52] 100 * 1 000 [15:52] 100 000 [15:52] yes [15:53] Thanks [15:53] np! [15:53] i assume you are coming from debian? [15:54] anyway, welcome [15:55] Yeah, I consider switching because Debian does not patch Chromium anymore. [15:55] Not sure if Ubuntus "snaps" approach to tame Chromium is a viable option. I will give it a try. [15:56] thats the beauty of Linux, isn't it? try whatever you want. install whatever you like! [15:56] gl [16:02] 6 hours to fix ubuntu 16.04 to get python working right, what a mess [16:04] You could have setup a new nice 20.04 system in 1 hour [16:05] transhumanist: you know 16.04 is EOL? [16:06] I'm sure he pays that billionaire for extended support :D [16:06] that's why he is a billionaire now! [16:07] ravage: ESM is free for regular users up to 3 machines. Ubuntu Members get it for free upto 50 machines. [16:07] You really know how to ruin a joke [16:07] but here in the channel we don't think of people using ESM in the first place [16:08] and this channel is for support not jokes, you can do so in -offtopic ;) [16:08] Wow [16:09] just saying [16:10] nevermind [16:12] after installing ubuntu, to install python (through anaconda), you can follow the instructions here: a) https://docs.anaconda.com/anaconda/install/linux/ ;b)https://www.anaconda.com/products/individual#linux : few minutes to get everything working === sonOfRa_ is now known as sonofRa === sonofRa is now known as sonOfRa === kostkon_ is now known as kostkon [16:37]