[00:45] <webchat88> hello everyone
[00:46] <webchat88> as a newbie i noticed that my other linux distro partition is mounted on username/media
[00:46] <webchat88> so i have access to my other distro user files
[00:47] <webchat88> is it possible to hide those files when i boot on the other distro to avoid information leek
[00:52] <sarnold> webchat88: are those other filesystems listed in your /etc/fstab?
[00:54] <webchat88> yes
[00:54] <sarnold> webchat88: if you add 'noauto' to the options, then they shouldn't be mounted at boot
[00:55] <webchat88> ex my other linux partition root is on sda/1
[00:55] <webchat88> now with an other distro im on sda/2
[00:56] <webchat88> ok but someone else can still mount that sda1 and check inside
[00:56] <webchat88> right?
[00:56] <sarnold> well, that gets a bit complicated.. I don't know exactly how the desktop environment decides what to let users mount
[00:57] <webchat88> i just read that
[00:57] <webchat88> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98149/why-can-i-access-all-my-files-without-a-password-when-booting-with-a-chakra-linu
[00:57] <sarnold> if you want to protect against a malicious person with a boot disk, then you need to encrypt your filesystems, instead
[00:58] <webchat88> it seems that you cannot really secure your partition if anyone have physically access to yout machine
[01:33] <symb0l> join #postgresql
[02:31] <noarb> I've had this issue with using pcscd libraries with java applications, and where they are looking for the `.so`: https://stackoverflow.com/q/12376257 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/898689
[02:33] <noarb> I've been using `-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib64/libpcsclite.so.1`, that works just fine. But like some answers on that SO question I'd just like to set it permanently, especially since it does seem to be a bug. Where is the correct place to symlink the library, or would it be better to use /etc/profile with _JAVA_OPTIONS ?
[02:34] <noarb> whoops... I actually use "-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1"
[02:37] <sarnold> noarb: it'd probably be worth a bug report
[02:37] <sarnold> noarb: this answer seems plausible enough as a workaround https://stackoverflow.com/a/32769334/377270
[02:47] <FuZi0N> How can I update to the latest version of curl on Ubuntu 18.04? I tried doing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but this is still giving me an older version of curl. Is there a special mirror I can add to my sources.list??
[03:14] <noarb> sarnold: does it matter where I run that? Or should I use an absolute path to make it available to all system users?
[03:21] <noarb> security related problem with ubuntu-bug?
[03:48] <noarb> does that command imply that its run in the homedir and then in the PATH? Reading https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/ln.1.html a little harder now
[03:54] <zph1nx> Is there any known issue with booting a efi installed 20.04 system via the ovmf bios? trying to automate an installation via packer, but the bios refuses to boot the installation on the disk
[04:10] <noarb> I tried `sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1 /usr/lib/libpcsclite.so` on my system, that didn't work
[04:47] <alkisg> noarb: I don't know, but this might help: strace -fe trace=file your-command-here 2>&1 | grep lipbcsclite
[04:47] <alkisg> It will show which files (paths) are searched by your-command that contain that word in its filename
[04:49] <alkisg> E.g. run a `strace -fe trace=file ls` to see what I'm talking about...
[05:02] <KBar> try info ln
[05:03] <KBar> a more comprehensive documentation
[06:30] <beuys> In Ubuntu Firefox, when I scroll via the touchpad, it does not scroll small distances. It waits a bit until I scrolled a certain distance and then scrolls all that. Is there a way to change that?
[06:49] <ravan> beuys, Have you tried the setting of the trackpad ? the scrolling distance and the coasting settings should be able to fix that....
[06:50] <beuys> ravan: It only happens in Firefox.
[06:50] <beuys> Setting this one to false seems to make things better: mousewheel.system_scroll_override.enabled
[06:50] <beuys> But it still seems to snap to certain positions. I wonder why it doesnt just behave like dragging the scroll bar.
[06:52] <Kel> beuys: If you're feeling adventurous, you can try some of these: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/kojli8/actually_smooth_scrolling_for_firefox_now/
[06:53] <beuys> Kel: I fiddled with those, but they do not seem to address the issue.
[06:53] <beuys> This works: MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox
[06:54] <beuys> I wonder if it is possible to do it in about:config
[07:00] <bencc1__> system load on my machine is close to 100% but CPU is 40% idle (3/8 hyperthreads)
[07:00] <bencc1__> how is this possible?
[07:01] <beuys> bencc1__: Define "system load".
[07:01] <bencc1__> cat /proc/loadavg
[07:01] <bencc1__> 7.16 7.34 7.93 8/11036 1198134
[07:02] <beuys> bencc1__: Which of those 5 values do you refer to when you say "close to 100%"?
[07:02] <ravan> beuys, apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio	1.0 this setting looks relevant....
[07:03] <ravan> apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold
[07:03] <ravan> and
[07:03] <ravan> apz.overscroll.stop_velocity_threshold
[07:03] <beuys> ravan: apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio seems to have no impact
[07:04] <ravan> when i increase these in the scroll speed becomes latent and slow...
[07:04] <ravan> try the apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold
[07:04] <bencc1__> beuys: I have 8 vCPUs (hyperthreads). 7.93/8 is close to 100% load
[07:05] <bencc1__> and I'm trying to understand why I don't see this reflected in idle cpu
[07:05] <beuys> bencc1__: Those numbers do not mean what you think. They can go arbitrarely high.
[07:06] <pasiz> system load reflects pipeline queue size
[07:07] <ravan> beuys, try searching "scroll" in the about:config.... it outlines all scroll related parameters.....
[07:09] <beuys> ravan: Hmm.. yeah, a lot of work.
[07:09] <pasiz> bencc1__: https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/post/cpu-utilization-of-multi-threaded-architectures-explained
[07:09] <bencc1__> beuys: so what does system load means? should I always ignore it
[07:10] <Guest29> hello guys
[07:10] <pasiz> system load is queue size. it doesn't count anything else.
[07:10] <pasiz> and system load can be over 1 process / core in queue, system still usable
[07:11] <bencc1__> does system load says anything? should I be aware of that?
[07:11] <ravan> beuys, let me know if something works.... i will also get a new understanding ....
[07:12] <beuys> bencc1__: You would have to interpret the value in context. Asking "Can I ignore the color red?" does not mean much. On a traffic light, you should not ignore it. But roses being red is normal.
[07:12] <beuys> bencc1__: Are you asking in the context of a web server?
[07:13] <Guest29> i have upgraded to ubuntu 21.10 beta and after it i see my scroll in touchpad is so fast and i cant see my toucpad in xinput list i just have it in /proc/bus/input/devices as Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[07:13] <beuys> ravan: Ok, but I will not be able to fiddle with it right away.
[07:13] <pasiz> do you see iowait or just bare load on 8
[07:13] <Guest29> how can i set a value for my speed in scroll in touchpad
[07:14] <ducasse> !ubuntu+1 | Guest29
[07:17] <ravan> beuys, take your time......
[07:19] <beuys> At the moment I am trying to figure out why my .bashrc gets executed on system startup.
[07:20] <beuys> Maybe I should put a test and return if it is not run interactively.
[07:20] <pasiz> bashrc is executed on login
[07:20] <pasiz> if bash is default hell
[07:20] <pasiz> shell even
[07:21] <beuys> Ok.. I will put a test for interactive and return if it is not.
[07:21] <pasiz> but user directory .bashrc are not run by system
[07:21] <beuys> pasiz: "user directory"?
[07:22] <pasiz> beuys: yes, user home directory
[07:22] <beuys> pasiz: Do you count /root/ as a user home too?
[07:22] <pasiz> like ~/.bashrc
[07:22] <pasiz> yes it is
[07:22] <beuys> Well, it seems to get executed.
[07:22] <beuys> I think even before login.
[07:23] <beuys> I have put a test for interactive. Will reboot now ...
[07:23] <pasiz> it get sourced when root runs something with bash
[07:26] <beuys> Hello again!
[07:26] <pasiz> yes
[07:26] <beuys> Did we just talk here?
[07:26] <pasiz> yes
[07:26] <beuys> Nice.
[07:26] <beuys> The test seems to work.
[07:26] <pasiz> so how about the non interactive bashrc
[07:26] <beuys> pasiz: How do you mean?
[07:27] <pasiz> is it executed before login or not
[07:27] <beuys> pasiz: I am not sure what you mean. Let me explain. I have these two lines in my bashrc:
[07:27] <beuys> bind 'Tab: menu-complete'
[07:27] <beuys> bind 'set completion-ignore-case on'
[07:28] <beuys> And when I boot, I get an alert that they cannot be executed.
[07:28] <pasiz> your bashrc should execute only if shell is interactive
[07:28] <beuys> So now I added this on top of my .bashrc and it fixed it:
[07:28] <beuys> case $- in
[07:28] <beuys>     *i*) ;;
[07:28] <beuys>       *) return;;
[07:28] <beuys> esac
[07:28] <pasiz> debian and ubuntu defaults to bashrc that begins with interactive test
[07:29] <beuys> pasiz: Yes, they bring such a ~/.bashrc on a fresh install. But I am using my own home dirs.
[07:30] <beuys> Where would I put a script that I *want* to be executed upon boot?
[07:34] <beuys> I wonder if this one liner is better: [ -z "$PS1" ] && return
[07:35] <bencc1__> pasiz: iowait is low
[07:36] <beuys> Does anybody know where to put a script that should be run on boot?
[07:37] <bencc1__> beuys: you ca create a systemd service that runs the script
[07:38] <beuys> bencc1__: No easier way?
[07:38] <bencc1__> sorry. don't know
[07:38] <bencc1__> cloud servers sometimes have cloud-init
[07:42] <KBar>        When an interactive shell that is not a login shell  is  started,  bash
[07:42] <KBar>        reads  and  executes  commands  from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if
[07:42] <KBar>        these files exist.  This may be inhibited by using the  --norc  option.
[07:42] <KBar> per bash(1) manual page
[07:43] <KBar> beuys you just source it
[07:43] <KBar> source path/to/file
[07:43] <beuys> KBar: Source it from where?
[07:43] <KBar> from the shell itself
[07:43] <KBar> or backup the bashrc file
[07:44] <KBar> and write it from scratch
[07:44] <beuys> KBar: Which shell? I want to run something on boot. After I turn on the computer. Before I am in a shell.
[07:44] <KBar> for that you will have to configure grub
[07:45] <beuys> Naahh. Not that early :)
[07:45] <beuys> Preferably just before x starts.
[07:46] <KBar> init
[07:46] <KBar> you need to configure init
[07:46] <beuys> How?
[07:49] <KBar> /etc/init.d
[07:49] <KBar> plenty of examples in that directory
[07:50] <KBar> depends on what you want to achieve
[07:51] <KBar> or as bencc1__ already said: create a systemd service
[07:52] <KBar> unit
[07:52] <EriC^^> beuys: put it in crontab with "@reboot /path/to/script"
[07:53] <beuys> KBar: /etc/init.d looks good! I will play around with this approach.
[07:53] <KBar> also, try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56957/how-to-start-an-application-automatically-on-boot
[07:53] <KBar> specifically this answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/523605
[07:54] <KBar> the crontab approach is great too. whatever floats your boat
[07:54] <beuys> Wowdy wow, many options.
[07:56] <beuys> Thanks everyone! I will reboot and try some options!
[08:01] <coke> crontab is on its way out systemd has a scheduler
[08:28] <Ginalo> Hi. I keep running into situations where I'd like to install a deb file, but are cautious that it might be a malicious executable. Is there a way to 'containerize' a deb install? Or is it safe already?
[09:05] <ravage> Untrusted software is never safe
[09:06] <ravage> You can use lxd to install such a Deb file.
 "Hi. I keep running into situatio..." <- You can put it in a virtual machine
[09:07] <graingert[m]> Depends where you found it and how old it is
[09:08] <graingert[m]> Make sure the executable is much older than the sandbox you use to run it
[09:08] <graingert[m]> Can you rebuild it from source?
[09:08] <Guest41> Hi
[09:09] <Guest41> hi
[09:09] <Guest41> i have a conflict between libinput and synaptics
[09:09] <Guest41> what should i do to resolve this conflict
[09:10] <Guest41> synclient
[09:10] <Guest41> Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
[09:11] <Guest41> i see this xinput list
[09:11] <Guest41> WARNING: running xinput against an Xwayland server. See the xinput man page for details.
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎡ Virtual core pointer                    	id=2	[master pointer  (3)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer              	id=4	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-pointer:17                     	id=6	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:11] <Guest41> ⎜   ↳ xwayland-relative-pointer:17            	id=7	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[09:14] <Guest41> https://pastebin.com/ngRKpy7c
[09:15] <Guest41> anyone here ?
[09:15] <qtext55> hi :/
[09:16] <qtext55> looks like everyone afk/busy/sleeping or ???
[09:17] <qtext55> so... does anyone here like to code in freebasic???
[09:22] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ubuntu removed nvidia driver itself
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but it still shows that it is using
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> manually installed one
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> can't render via h264_nvenc
[09:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> 21.04
[09:24] <qtext55> Ronalds_Mazitis_, maybe this will help https://phoenixnap.com/kb/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu
[09:25] <qtext55> i have nvidia card also
[09:25] <Ginalo> graingert[m]: That makes sense. Thanks
[09:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I hope 470 will work
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> because I think ubuntu 21.04 comes with 390
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I installed visual code by damn repository
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am not sure how that could affect nvidia
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but microsoft might be sneaky
[09:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ok 470 works
[09:31] <sadbot> Hi i need help , apparently there is a bug in blender ,i guess cuda don't detect after wake from sleep ,i guess it's nvidia  doing ,i found a arch forum and found a solution ,that i need implement systemd service that will use new nvidea suspend method. But...
[09:31] <sadbot> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/440.59/README/powermanagement.html
[09:32] <sadbot> But ,nooo, these samples don't exist in my system '/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/samples' ,😔
[09:32] <sadbot> Pls ,sombody can provide those systemd service file ?
[09:46] <sadbot> Anyone here , c'mon
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey how do I make files dropping to application from nautilus to panel
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am using 21.04 with gnome
[09:47] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> with panel to dash extension
[09:49] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dash-to-panel@jderose9.github.com
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it seems like
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have to drag
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> file
[09:55] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> from left side down corner to right side down corner
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> to get all windows to drag file into
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> that is stupid
[09:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/
[09:57] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well that is better than nothing
[09:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> alt tab also works
[09:58] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but had to change config
[11:19] <beuys> So I am trying to understand my new Ubuntu install. When I hit the super key and start typing, applications are suggested. For example when I type "fi" it suggests "firefox", "files" etc. Where is the list of these applications and how can I edit it?
[11:21] <KBar> desktop files
[11:21] <KBar> or
[11:21] <KBar> wait a minute
[11:21] <beuys> Ok
[11:25] <oerheks> there is no list, just a folder with desktop files ( starters)
[11:26] <alive> oh this is interesting.
[11:26] <beuys> oerheks: In /usr/share/applications?
[11:26] <KBar> yep
[11:26] <KBar> its desktop files
[11:26] <oerheks> 2 places, you can place your .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/ or at ~/.local/share/applications/.
[11:26] <KBar> for nautilus
[11:26] <oerheks> 2nd is user based only
[11:26] <beuys> Ok.. let me explore those ...
[11:26] <KBar> aka gnome files
[11:26] <KBar> see this file
[11:27] <KBar> /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop
[11:27] <KBar> snaps are stored somewhere else
[11:27] <KBar> check $XDG_DATA_DIRS
[11:28] <beuys> My /home/user/.local/share/applications/ is empty. Lets see what happens when I put something there ...
[11:28] <KBar> most likely your system has them in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications
[11:29] <KBar> you dont need to put anything there
[11:29] <KBar> you can just edit the existing .desktop files
[11:29] <beuys> KBar: I want to create a root terminal launcher.
[11:29] <beuys> So when I hit the meta key and type "r" it suggests "root terminal".
[11:30] <KBar> ah okay
[11:30] <KBar> just create another desktop file
[11:31] <KBar> https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html
[11:31] <beuys> I thought I'd start by copying the normal terminal desktop file. But where is it? I don't see anything with "term" in the name in /usr/share/applications/.
[11:31] <KBar> org.gnome.Terminal
[11:31] <KBar> try that
[11:31] <beuys> Ah, nice.
[11:31] <KBar> everything related to gnome has that prefix
[11:31] <KBar> conforming to freedesktop specification
[11:32]  * beuys does cp /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/
[11:32] <beuys> Lets see what happens when all I change it the name from "Terminal" to "RootTerminal".
[11:33] <oerheks> nothing, i guess
[11:33] <oerheks> there is no root-terminal
[11:33] <KBar> you need to specifi the Exec
[11:33] <KBar> do you see the Exec= field?
[11:33] <beuys> oerheks: i think the name is only cosmetic
[11:33] <beuys> KBar: Yeah
[11:34] <KBar> change that field to whatever you want bash/sh to start with
[11:34] <KBar> and rename the desktop entry
[11:34] <KBar> thats it
[11:35] <beuys> The first step at least workd. When I type "roo" it suggests "RootTerminal" now.
[11:35] <beuys> KBar: There are 3 "Exec=gnome-terminal" lines in that file.
[11:36] <beuys> Maybe I can delete 2 of the 3 sections? There are "[Desktop Entry]", "[Desktop Action new-window]" and "[Desktop Action preferences]".
[11:36] <beuys> Maybe prefixing "gnome-terminal" with "gksu gnome-terminal" will work?
[11:37] <KBar> i mean they're self-explanatory
[11:37] <beuys> Oh, there is no gksu. Hmm..
[11:37] <KBar> new-window is for new windows
[11:37] <oerheks> beuys, no, it does not make terminal loged in as root
[11:37] <KBar> preference opens the preferences dialog
[11:37] <oerheks> anyway, you need to type a password
[11:37] <KBar> exactly
[11:37] <beuys> oerheks: Yes, I will have to type a password when I open it.
[11:38] <beuys> But the question is: What do I put in the Exec line?
[11:38] <KBar> check man gnome-terminal
[11:38] <KBar> what options it supports
[11:38] <beuys> KBar: I don't think its an option of the application as which user it is started.
[11:39] <KBar> ?
[11:39] <alive> The Desktop Actions is for when you right-click the icon on the status bar
[11:39] <KBar> you can start gnome-terminal with lots of options
[11:39] <alive> so there appear extra menu items like "Options" and such
[11:40] <KBar> see if it supplies something that will execute a command or program on launch
[11:40] <beuys> In a terminal one would write "sudo gnome-terminal". But I don't think that is the right choice for the desktop file.
[11:40] <alive> I would suggest setting your launch command to 'gnome-terminal -- sudo -s'
[11:40] <alive> with the dashes and everything
[11:40] <KBar> gnome-terminal -e=sudo
[11:41] <KBar> man gnome-terminal has everything
[11:41] <beuys> alive: I think that would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal?
[11:41] <KBar> dont be lazy
[11:41] <oerheks> weird thinking
[11:41] <alive> beuys: It would start a terminal as the current user and launch the user directly into a sudo shell
[11:41] <beuys> KBar: That would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal.
[11:41] <KBar> no
[11:41] <alive> honestly i would not want to run gnome-terminal itself as root
[11:41] <alive> Unless there is a specific reason you want to
[11:44] <alive> If you want to run gnome-terminal itself as root, you would of course need to install gksudo
[11:45] <beuys> alive: Are you sure there is no way without gksudo?
[11:45] <KBar> you can also create another desktop file, set its name to rootterminal, chown it to root and set-uid
[11:45] <KBar> idk if that works tho
[11:45] <KBar> worth a shot
[11:45] <alive> You could definitely edit your sudoers file to allow yourself passwordless sudo
[11:45] <beuys> KBar: I doubt that.
[11:45] <KBar> of course specifying the Exec=
[11:45] <alive> then you could just set Exec=sudo gnome-terminal
[11:46] <beuys> alive: Hmm... yeah, maybe.
[11:47] <beuys> So far I think installing gksudo would be the best option.
[11:47] <alive> But why do you want to run "gnome-terminal as root" and not "root in gnome-terminal"? Is it some ease of use thing? Because I'm almost at the point where I must insist you are trying to solve a problem by creating a different one.
[11:49] <KBar> you said it
[11:49] <beuys> It seems there is no gksudo in the sources.
[11:50] <alive> You are correct, it seems it was removed with ubuntu 17.10 and no viable alternative exists
[11:50] <alive> there is pkexec
[11:51] <alive> But then I run into the potential problem that I was trying to help you avoid which is: "Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
[11:53] <beuys> One approach might be to run "sudo gnome-terminal && exit" in a normal terminal.
[11:53] <beuys> But thats pretty ugly compared to gksudo.
[11:53] <alive> I must say, I really like the root termian .desktop file i made, i'm gonna share it here.
[11:54] <KBar> please do
[11:54] <beuys> Yeah
[11:55] <alive> https://pastebin.com/c3G7Q9LQ
[11:55] <KBar> open pandoras box :D
[11:55] <alive> i put it in ~/.local/share/applications
[11:55] <beuys> alive: Testing it ...
[11:56] <alive> Opens a gnome-terminal and outright asks for sudo password. Once that is provided, it launches the root shell
[11:56] <KBar> in the future try using paste.ubuntu.com
[11:56] <KBar> provided in the topic
[11:56] <alive> do usermod root -s /path/to/your/shell if you don't like the root shell
[11:56] <alive> KBar: sorry
[11:56] <alive> i make that mistake all the time in #nginx too lol
[11:57] <beuys> alive: That does not start a root terminal. It starts a root shell in a use shell in a user terminal.
[11:57] <KBar> alive does gnome-terminal -e=COMMAND produce the same thing?
[11:58] <KBar> to start the terminal you must have eid=root
[11:58] <KBar> terminal as root*
[11:58] <KBar> you cant open root terminal when your euid=1000
[11:59] <beuys> alive: So for example when you start a new terminal via ctrl+n from your terminal, it starts another normal user terminal where you are a user, not root.
[11:59] <alive> Ah now I think I understand the problem
[12:00] <alive> -e=command does not work for me KBar
[12:00] <alive> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VWdCkw8kQt/
[12:00] <KBar> put sudo or whatever command you want
[12:00] <KBar> instead of command
[12:00] <alive> I just get a deprecation notice :)
[12:01] <alive> GNOME Terminal 3.38.1
[12:01] <beuys> So far, the only way I found to start a root terminal is to open a user terminal and run sudo gnome-terminal; exit
[12:02] <alive> beuys: I think your problem is so foreign to me because of the following factors. 1) I find no issue in spawning 100 terminals and sudo'ing in all of them. 2) I can only work in so many terminals at a time. Specifically 1. 3) I very rarely spend time as root on my own pc. Most of my time is spent writing automation.
[12:08] <beuys> I will use this line for now: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &"; exit
[12:08] <beuys> Somewhat ugly but c'est la vie.
[12:09] <alive> That is clever
[12:09] <beuys> Looks like it also works without the final "; exit".
[12:09] <beuys> So this works: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &"
[12:15] <beuys> Thanks for all the help alive and KBar!
[12:27] <ubuntuuser123456> is using backports in ubuntu discouraged?
[12:28] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, nah ... but backports has been rather idly for a long time (i think in 20.04 you can count the packages in the backports repo on one hand)
[12:29] <ubuntuuser123456> 2 hands ;)
[12:30] <ubuntuuser123456> sad :/  welp, seems like I have to adjust to building my own then
[12:30] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-August/041587.html
[12:30] <ogra> the team just has been re-vived it seems
[12:32] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuuser123456: what are you trying to do exactly?
[12:32] <FakePhish26342> what?
[12:32] <VerlorrenLol2634> Hello there.
[12:32] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> anyone running zsh?
[12:32] <JustAnotherCamel> Hi - Does anyone know the difference between https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab and https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab
[12:32] <ubuntuuser123456> lotuspsychje nothing specific. I was just looking at specifically youtube-dl, as that one breaks pretty often
[12:32] <ubuntuuser123456> thanks ogra :)
[12:33] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, use the snap 😉
[12:33] <KBar> NoSuchBugorFeatu this is an Ubuntu-focused channel.
[12:33] <ogra> (it is well maintained and regulary updated)
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> breaks= file a bug?
[12:33] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> KBar: i see, thank you.
[12:33] <FakePhish26342> is this channel for ubuntu questions or questions in general?
[12:33] <JustAnotherCamel> Hi to everyone who wants to take my help
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> so, what do I have to do?
[12:33] <JustAnotherCamel> it is not broken
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> *this channel?
[12:33] <VerlorrenLol2634> *NoSuchBugOrFeatu
[12:34] <KBar> FakePhish26342 Ubuntu support.
[12:34] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra oh didn't know there was a snap for that. still rather new to snaps and flatpaks ;)
[12:34] <ogra> 🙂
[12:35] <ubuntuuser123456> additionally I am rather a fan of debs (as long as I know what it's doing :)  )
[12:35] <VerlorrenLol2634> I'm pretty sure the problem is in the .deb
[12:36] <ubuntuuser123456> VerlorrenLol2634 which problem oO
[12:37] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, the deb is at 2020.03.24-1 ... the snap at 2021.06.06+gita803582 ... so you have the choice at least 🙂
[12:37] <JustAnotherCamel> I get the following error when booting: "cant find a medium containing a live file system". I have the usb mounted, and it says "mounted the iso and extracted it" I've read on the internet to try to "try a previous kernel" so I did. it says it works fine, but then when I boot it goes into grub rescue again, and tells me to "try a previous kernel" or to run the memtest. My computer doesn't seem to be able to
[12:37] <leftyfb> VerlorrenLol2634: please remove all but one of your IRC clients from this channel. This is a support channel, not a place to mess around
[12:37] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> hi
[12:37] <FakePhish26342> My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do?
[12:37] <VerlorrenLol2634> I'm fine there
[12:37] <FakePhish26342> Hello
[12:37] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> how I find which version I have?
[12:38] <KBar> uhm
[12:38] <KBar> whats going on?
[12:38] <KBar> rise of the machines?
[12:39] <leftyfb> !op | can we please remove JustAnotherCamel VerlorrenLol2634 FakePhish26342 and NoSuchBugOrFeatu ? They are the same person spamming the channel with fake "questions" and comments
[12:39] <VerlorrenLol2634> My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do?
[12:39] <FakePhish26342> I have been using windows for a long time now and I have recently decided to use ubuntu
[12:39] <JustAnotherCamel> how to I fix it
[12:39] <FakePhish26342> I don't know
[12:39] <NoSuchBugOrFeatu> I can't use the live usb, and the computer won't boot from it
[12:39] <VerlorrenLol2634> Why
[12:39] <JustAnotherCamel> can you explain more to me
[12:39] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now)
[12:39] <leftyfb> TheRedQueen: TY
[12:40] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now)
[12:40] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, well, if it is not, it is really easy (miles easier than deb) to make a snap yourself for any app you need ...
[12:40] <ubuntuuser123456> ahh oops sry doublepost :/
[12:40] <KBar> thanks leftyfb and TheRedQueen
[12:41] <ubuntuuser123456> I will look into it ogra. thanks :)
[12:44] <alive> What just happened
[12:44] <alive> Anyway i just did a deep dive into configuring policykit to allow pkexec of gnome-terminal and did everything google told me to do but couldn't work it out
[12:45] <alive> KBar: if you fancy a try i think that is "the way" to get what beuys wanted
[12:45] <alive> although i would still disagree with him that it /should/ be done
[12:45] <KBar> nah, thanks. i dont like sudoing everything
[12:46] <alive> same
[12:46] <alive> At this point it was just a curiosity
[12:46] <KBar> ill stay away from that practice
[12:47] <krytarik> leftyfb: Btw, hggdh is one of the channel ops and was already handling it, and TheRedQueen is a bot that thankfully finished the job for us.
[12:48] <leftyfb> kyentei: ok, but there was no indication that a human was addressing it, hence the alert
[12:59] <krytarik> leftyfb: Oh no, I mistook yourself for hggdh due to the length of the nicks and them using the same color here and because I saw him fiddling with the council account just at the same time - and the bot did it on itself in fact.
[13:07] <ubuntuuser123456> ogra do you know if there will be a summary or log or something like that for the meeting which happens tomorrow about the backport situation?
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <ogra> ubuntuuser123456, nope, i dont ... i only saw the thread passing by in my email
[13:09] <ogra> wasnt there a link in one of the mails ?
[13:10] <ubuntuuser123456> ahh you mean the wiki link? will check
[13:10] <ubuntuuser123456> yup found it
[13:10] <KBar> BluesKaj hello and welcome. how can we help you?
[13:13] <BluesKaj> KBar, I'm a regular here, no help needed atm, but thanks for asking
[13:15] <KBar> BluesKaj oops, sorry then. i thought you had questions. :)
[13:16] <KBar> my bad
[13:17] <BluesKaj> KBar, your bad what?
[13:18] <krytarik> Well, I'm not entirely sure blanketly greeting large channels every time one enters it is really needed either - especially when people often just greet and wait for a response to ask the actual question.
[13:22] <KBar> krytarik okay, my bad. ill try to avoid doing this in the future. thanks for the heads up
[13:22] <krytarik> KBar: What no, you were right to ask here.. XD
[13:36] <u0_a343> my kubuntu system now appears to be clunky, slow animations as well as a extensive boot time, how can i troubleshoot this?; cpu temps are ok, hdd disk is fine, RAM doesn't seem to be an issue
[13:38] <KBar> try #kubuntu
[13:39] <KBar> thanks
[13:39] <u0_a343> ok
[13:39] <lotuspsychje> u0_a343: boot times you can check with systemd-analyze blame
[13:40] <u0_a343> i noticed snapd related services takes a lot of time, because I have a lot of snap programs, sadly i couldn't find a way to reduce it
[13:42] <ogra> u0_a343, if you are sure it is snapd please open a thread in the snapd category at forum.snapcraft.io (note though in 99% of the cases it turns out that this is only fllout of a different problem (i.e. broken graphics driver, other services hanging that snapd uses))
[13:47] <u0_a343> i checked snapcraft, people already faced similar issues but none of the solutions worked for my machine
[13:48] <ogra> this is why you should open a new thread and attach all logs you can find 😉
[13:54] <u0_a343> ok, i'll give it a try if everything fails
[15:52] <jpmh> I have a headless server that is merely doing backups for me.  I'm very happy with it.  I would like to be able to make some limited input to it, do not want the bother of ssh etc.  Is there an easy wahy that I can read the input from a keyboard that I plug in to it, /dev/something, etc?
[16:03] <nuala> jpmh: hmm.... I have trouble understanding what you mean by headless. Like even https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole goes right into ssh. Again: assuming you plugin the keyboard. where do you send the input to <fails here to make sense with the headless-restriction>
[16:04] <jpmh> nuala: what I mean is that to set the thig up I did initially use ssh, but now it boots and just runs the scripts that I use for backup with no keyboard, display, etc.  I can ssh in if I need to, but generally I don't
[16:05] <jpmh> nuala: the rest of what you said, I don't understand what you are asking
[16:10] <nuala> so I am unsure if something like a tty-login prompt is even running in the first place (have you connected a monitor to it?). I assume the first step would be to get this running, so something is listening to your keyboard typing
[16:18] <rfm> Well, the way to see if there is a prompt is to ssh in and "ps aux } grep getty"  (getty or agetty is what displays the login prompt on a terminal)
[16:25] <dust> https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.16.0.html time for an update
[16:30] <jpmh> nuala: sorry for the delay - I did not get alerted - yes - if I connect a monitor then it is sitting at login
[16:32] <beuys> Strange, my dock somewhat stopped working. I removed everything from it. I think by right-clicking the icons one after the other and chosing "remove from favorites" or something. Now when I start any program, it does not show up in the dock anymore.
[16:35] <beuys> looks like this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bug/1880570
[16:37] <beuys> "JS ERROR: TypeError: firstIcon is undefined" - Classic example of "developer did not check what happens when x becomes 0".
[18:11] <test> what htis
[18:14] <nuala> jpmh: but when you plug in the keyboard it is not working? ssh into it with the keyboard plugged in and check lsusb -v ?
[18:15] <lotuspsychje> !support | test
[18:20] <Guest37_> https://youtu.be/fAwbrh2Dv_4 me
[18:21] <lotuspsychje> TomFarr: please only ubuntu support issues here
[18:22] <TomFarr> lotuspsychje O-K
[18:24] <spinningCat> how to calcel auto log off?
[18:35] <jpmh> nuala: sorry about the delay.  They kbd is avaiable for login yes.  But I want to read it ffrom an app that I have started
[18:51] <nuala> jpmh: nw bout delay/you seem im not here 24/7 neither :) so hm an app, like phone app yes? and if you type on the keyboard what shall happen?
[18:51] <nuala> s/seem/see
[19:06] <jpmh> nuala: not sure what you are asking
[19:10] <nuala> what do you want to achieve?
[19:24] <yolo_> have been a gnome/gnome-terminal user for years, today I installed konsole and its fonts is like 10x better looking, recommended
[19:25] <yolo_> thought lxterminal is better, turns out konsole is _much_ better
[20:10] <rfm> jpmh, well, I just tried running "sudo cat /dev/tty2" in a window, then swapped to virtual console 2 with ctrl-alt-f2, typed in some stuff, swapped back to the window and there was the stuff I typed.
[20:11] <rfm> jpmh, so you could read from /dev/ttyn just being sure to swap to that console.  You'd have to add the user running your program to the tty group.
[20:19] <andres_> hi, is there any way to move from linux mint to ubuntu without losing data and programs? like when u upgrade from windows 10 to 11
[21:13] <Kaedenn> What programs should I prefer if I want to make animated emotes for Twitch?
[21:14] <Kaedenn> I could just use ffmpeg transforms to do what I want, but I'd like something easier for the user
[21:15] <sarnold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krita perhaps?
[21:33] <Sixteenbit> how do i get my microsoft serialmouse 2.1a to work?
[21:34] <Sixteenbit> im using inputattach --microsoft /dev/ttyUSB0 on this modern machine with no issues but i cant seem to get my xorg.conf to work
[21:34] <Sixteenbit> i removed waylin and install xorg
[21:34] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: got a link to the product page for this mouse?
[21:35] <leftyfb> I'm pretty sure there isn't a USB Microsoft mouse in existence that doesn't just work when plugged into any linux-based OS
[21:35] <Sixteenbit> leftyfb, this is a serial mouse
[21:35] <Sixteenbit> not a usb mouse
[21:36] <leftyfb> then why are you messing with ttyUSB0?
[21:36] <Sixteenbit> and i got it working, i am just confused to why xorg isnt parsing my mouse settings,
[21:36] <Sixteenbit> cause thats the port i got the mouse on leftyfb
[21:36] <leftyfb> ttyUSB is for USB devices. ttyS0 would be for serial devices
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> iv been using an amd k6 2 500mhz with 1gig of ram but decided to get a new dektop but it lacked a serial port
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> so i got a usb to serial converter
[21:37] <Sixteenbit> leftyfb, yes its a serial to usb converter
[21:38] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: what version of ubuntu?
[21:38] <Sixteenbit> 20.04
[21:39] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: the default flavor of ubuntu has xorg installed already, you shouldn't have had to install anything to change from wayland to xorg
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> oh i did apt-get --purge on bunches of stuff and reinstalled things out of anger when i couldnt get my serial mouse to work
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> sorry i was mistaken
[21:39] <Sixteenbit> apt-get remove --purge
[21:40] <leftyfb> Sixteenbit: ok, then you probably want a reinstall of the OS if you removed "bunches of stuff and reinstalled things". There's no telling what state it's in now
[21:41] <Sixteenbit> lol leftyfb
[21:45] <Sixteenbit> i found information i need
[21:45] <Sixteenbit> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[21:50] <Sixteenbit> oh no i been found out!
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> yubikey authentication in linux leaves a lot to be desired
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> it works, but provides nothing by way of prompts that it works
[22:26] <TortillaSandwich> windows, in spite of its flaws, at least throws you an alert the key is needed
[22:42] <cbreak> TortillaSandwich: I use a yubikey on linux for ssh authentication
[22:42] <cbreak> that works quite nicely, there's a gui prompt for the pin
[22:42] <cbreak> (from gpg)
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> cbreak: yeah it certainly works well, but the issue is say for like... desktop sign in unlock
[22:58] <TortillaSandwich> there's no notiifcation to use the key
[22:59] <cbreak> I don't use it for that.
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> I use them for any level of auth anywhere I can
[22:59] <cbreak> for U2F on web pages, there's usually something on the web page, and the button blinks
[22:59] <cbreak> for SSH / GPG, I get a pin dialog
[22:59] <TortillaSandwich> yeah webpages are good but thats cos the browser calls for it
[23:00] <cbreak> when I log in on my mac with it, it asks me for the pin too instead of the password. (It's annoying, I should disable it)
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> on ubuntu's login, it's basically input password > press enter > hope you move faster than the time out clock
[23:00] <TortillaSandwich> no dialogue, no prompt
[23:01] <cbreak> how does the ubuntu login work? Via the smartcard interface?
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> not even that
[23:01] <cbreak> that's what OS X login uses
[23:01] <TortillaSandwich> it's just the standard login, when you hit enter you need to insert the yubikey and press the button
[23:01] <cbreak> weird.
[23:02] <TortillaSandwich> yeah, and it does work cos if you don't interact with the yubikey it kicks back and says invalid password
[23:02] <TortillaSandwich> in windows you are met with a Yubikey lock page, and prompted to insert it
[23:03] <TortillaSandwich> its a minor detail, but sometimes I'm not fast enough... Im old lol
[23:57] <spinull> i set a keyboard shortcut to mount a network share for me, but when i use the shortcut it doesn't mount with the same permissions as when i just run the command
[23:58] <spinull> i don't have write permission when i use the keyboard shortcut
[23:59] <spinull> same command, only diff is i used gksudo instead of sudo for the keyboard shortcut