[00:45] hello everyone [00:46] as a newbie i noticed that my other linux distro partition is mounted on username/media [00:46] so i have access to my other distro user files [00:47] is it possible to hide those files when i boot on the other distro to avoid information leek [00:52] webchat88: are those other filesystems listed in your /etc/fstab? [00:54] yes [00:54] webchat88: if you add 'noauto' to the options, then they shouldn't be mounted at boot [00:55] ex my other linux partition root is on sda/1 [00:55] now with an other distro im on sda/2 [00:56] ok but someone else can still mount that sda1 and check inside [00:56] right? [00:56] well, that gets a bit complicated.. I don't know exactly how the desktop environment decides what to let users mount [00:57] i just read that [00:57] https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98149/why-can-i-access-all-my-files-without-a-password-when-booting-with-a-chakra-linu [00:57] if you want to protect against a malicious person with a boot disk, then you need to encrypt your filesystems, instead [00:58] it seems that you cannot really secure your partition if anyone have physically access to yout machine [01:33] join #postgresql === genii is now known as genii-core [02:31] I've had this issue with using pcscd libraries with java applications, and where they are looking for the `.so`: https://stackoverflow.com/q/12376257 & https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-7/+bug/898689 [02:31] Launchpad bug 898689 in openjdk-7 (Ubuntu) "OpenJDK does not find libpcsc, fails silently, causing smartcard applications to fail" [Undecided, Fix Released] [02:33] I've been using `-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib64/libpcsclite.so.1`, that works just fine. But like some answers on that SO question I'd just like to set it permanently, especially since it does seem to be a bug. Where is the correct place to symlink the library, or would it be better to use /etc/profile with _JAVA_OPTIONS ? [02:34] whoops... I actually use "-Dsun.security.smartcardio.library=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1" === callmepk is now known as callmepk[away] [02:37] noarb: it'd probably be worth a bug report [02:37] noarb: this answer seems plausible enough as a workaround https://stackoverflow.com/a/32769334/377270 [02:47] How can I update to the latest version of curl on Ubuntu 18.04? I tried doing "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" but this is still giving me an older version of curl. Is there a special mirror I can add to my sources.list?? [03:14] sarnold: does it matter where I run that? Or should I use an absolute path to make it available to all system users? [03:21] security related problem with ubuntu-bug? [03:48] does that command imply that its run in the homedir and then in the PATH? Reading https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/ln.1.html a little harder now [03:54] Is there any known issue with booting a efi installed 20.04 system via the ovmf bios? trying to automate an installation via packer, but the bios refuses to boot the installation on the disk [04:10] I tried `sudo ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcsclite.so.1 /usr/lib/libpcsclite.so` on my system, that didn't work [04:47] noarb: I don't know, but this might help: strace -fe trace=file your-command-here 2>&1 | grep lipbcsclite [04:47] It will show which files (paths) are searched by your-command that contain that word in its filename [04:49] E.g. run a `strace -fe trace=file ls` to see what I'm talking about... [05:02] try info ln [05:03] a more comprehensive documentation [06:30] In Ubuntu Firefox, when I scroll via the touchpad, it does not scroll small distances. It waits a bit until I scrolled a certain distance and then scrolls all that. Is there a way to change that? [06:49] beuys, Have you tried the setting of the trackpad ? the scrolling distance and the coasting settings should be able to fix that.... [06:50] ravan: It only happens in Firefox. [06:50] Setting this one to false seems to make things better: mousewheel.system_scroll_override.enabled [06:50] But it still seems to snap to certain positions. I wonder why it doesnt just behave like dragging the scroll bar. [06:52] beuys: If you're feeling adventurous, you can try some of these: https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/kojli8/actually_smooth_scrolling_for_firefox_now/ [06:53] Kel: I fiddled with those, but they do not seem to address the issue. [06:53] This works: MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 firefox [06:54] I wonder if it is possible to do it in about:config [07:00] system load on my machine is close to 100% but CPU is 40% idle (3/8 hyperthreads) [07:00] how is this possible? [07:01] bencc1__: Define "system load". [07:01] cat /proc/loadavg === diskin is now known as Guest7292 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:01] 7.16 7.34 7.93 8/11036 1198134 [07:02] bencc1__: Which of those 5 values do you refer to when you say "close to 100%"? [07:02] beuys, apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio 1.0 this setting looks relevant.... [07:03] apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold [07:03] and [07:03] apz.overscroll.stop_velocity_threshold [07:03] ravan: apz.overscroll.min_pan_distance_ratio seems to have no impact [07:04] when i increase these in the scroll speed becomes latent and slow... [07:04] try the apz.overscroll.stop_distance_threshold [07:04] beuys: I have 8 vCPUs (hyperthreads). 7.93/8 is close to 100% load [07:05] and I'm trying to understand why I don't see this reflected in idle cpu [07:05] bencc1__: Those numbers do not mean what you think. They can go arbitrarely high. [07:06] system load reflects pipeline queue size [07:07] beuys, try searching "scroll" in the about:config.... it outlines all scroll related parameters..... [07:09] ravan: Hmm.. yeah, a lot of work. [07:09] bencc1__: https://blogs.oracle.com/solaris/post/cpu-utilization-of-multi-threaded-architectures-explained [07:09] beuys: so what does system load means? should I always ignore it [07:10] hello guys [07:10] system load is queue size. it doesn't count anything else. [07:10] and system load can be over 1 process / core in queue, system still usable [07:11] does system load says anything? should I be aware of that? [07:11] beuys, let me know if something works.... i will also get a new understanding .... [07:12] bencc1__: You would have to interpret the value in context. Asking "Can I ignore the color red?" does not mean much. On a traffic light, you should not ignore it. But roses being red is normal. [07:12] bencc1__: Are you asking in the context of a web server? [07:13] i have upgraded to ubuntu 21.10 beta and after it i see my scroll in touchpad is so fast and i cant see my toucpad in xinput list i just have it in /proc/bus/input/devices as Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" [07:13] ravan: Ok, but I will not be able to fiddle with it right away. [07:13] do you see iowait or just bare load on 8 [07:13] how can i set a value for my speed in scroll in touchpad [07:14] !ubuntu+1 | Guest29 [07:14] Guest29: Impish Indri is the codename for Ubuntu 21.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality. [07:17] beuys, take your time...... [07:19] At the moment I am trying to figure out why my .bashrc gets executed on system startup. [07:20] Maybe I should put a test and return if it is not run interactively. [07:20] bashrc is executed on login [07:20] if bash is default hell [07:20] shell even [07:21] Ok.. I will put a test for interactive and return if it is not. [07:21] but user directory .bashrc are not run by system [07:21] pasiz: "user directory"? [07:22] beuys: yes, user home directory [07:22] pasiz: Do you count /root/ as a user home too? [07:22] like ~/.bashrc [07:22] yes it is [07:22] Well, it seems to get executed. [07:22] I think even before login. [07:23] I have put a test for interactive. Will reboot now ... [07:23] it get sourced when root runs something with bash === callmepk is now known as callmepk[away] === callmepk[away] is now known as callmepk [07:26] Hello again! [07:26] yes [07:26] Did we just talk here? [07:26] yes [07:26] Nice. [07:26] The test seems to work. [07:26] so how about the non interactive bashrc [07:26] pasiz: How do you mean? [07:27] is it executed before login or not [07:27] pasiz: I am not sure what you mean. Let me explain. I have these two lines in my bashrc: [07:27] bind 'Tab: menu-complete' [07:27] bind 'set completion-ignore-case on' [07:28] And when I boot, I get an alert that they cannot be executed. [07:28] your bashrc should execute only if shell is interactive [07:28] So now I added this on top of my .bashrc and it fixed it: [07:28] case $- in [07:28] *i*) ;; [07:28] *) return;; [07:28] esac [07:28] debian and ubuntu defaults to bashrc that begins with interactive test [07:29] pasiz: Yes, they bring such a ~/.bashrc on a fresh install. But I am using my own home dirs. [07:30] Where would I put a script that I *want* to be executed upon boot? [07:34] I wonder if this one liner is better: [ -z "$PS1" ] && return [07:35] pasiz: iowait is low [07:36] Does anybody know where to put a script that should be run on boot? [07:37] beuys: you ca create a systemd service that runs the script [07:38] bencc1__: No easier way? [07:38] sorry. don't know [07:38] cloud servers sometimes have cloud-init [07:42] When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash [07:42] reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc, if [07:42] these files exist. This may be inhibited by using the --norc option. [07:42] per bash(1) manual page [07:43] beuys you just source it [07:43] source path/to/file [07:43] KBar: Source it from where? [07:43] from the shell itself [07:43] or backup the bashrc file [07:44] and write it from scratch [07:44] KBar: Which shell? I want to run something on boot. After I turn on the computer. Before I am in a shell. [07:44] for that you will have to configure grub [07:45] Naahh. Not that early :) [07:45] Preferably just before x starts. [07:46] init [07:46] you need to configure init [07:46] How? [07:49] /etc/init.d [07:49] plenty of examples in that directory [07:50] depends on what you want to achieve [07:51] or as bencc1__ already said: create a systemd service [07:52] unit [07:52] beuys: put it in crontab with "@reboot /path/to/script" [07:53] KBar: /etc/init.d looks good! I will play around with this approach. [07:53] also, try this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/56957/how-to-start-an-application-automatically-on-boot [07:53] specifically this answer: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/523605 [07:54] the crontab approach is great too. whatever floats your boat [07:54] Wowdy wow, many options. [07:56] Thanks everyone! I will reboot and try some options! [08:01] crontab is on its way out systemd has a scheduler [08:28] Hi. I keep running into situations where I'd like to install a deb file, but are cautious that it might be a malicious executable. Is there a way to 'containerize' a deb install? Or is it safe already? [09:05] Untrusted software is never safe [09:06] You can use lxd to install such a Deb file. [09:07] "Hi. I keep running into situatio..." <- You can put it in a virtual machine [09:07] Depends where you found it and how old it is [09:08] Make sure the executable is much older than the sandbox you use to run it [09:08] Can you rebuild it from source? [09:08] Hi [09:09] hi [09:09] i have a conflict between libinput and synaptics [09:09] what should i do to resolve this conflict [09:10] synclient [09:10] Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? [09:11] i see this xinput list [09:11] WARNING: running xinput against an Xwayland server. See the xinput man page for details. [09:11] ⎡ Virtual core pointer id=2 [master pointer (3)] [09:11] ⎜ ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer id=4 [slave pointer (2)] [09:11] ⎜ ↳ xwayland-pointer:17 id=6 [slave pointer (2)] [09:11] ⎜ ↳ xwayland-relative-pointer:17 id=7 [slave pointer (2)] [09:14] https://pastebin.com/ngRKpy7c [09:15] anyone here ? [09:15] hi :/ [09:16] looks like everyone afk/busy/sleeping or ??? [09:17] so... does anyone here like to code in freebasic??? === Oxfuxxx_ is now known as Oxfuxxx [09:22] ubuntu removed nvidia driver itself [09:23] but it still shows that it is using [09:23] manually installed one [09:23] can't render via h264_nvenc [09:23] 21.04 [09:24] Ronalds_Mazitis_, maybe this will help https://phoenixnap.com/kb/install-nvidia-drivers-ubuntu [09:25] i have nvidia card also [09:25] graingert[m]: That makes sense. Thanks [09:25] I hope 470 will work [09:26] because I think ubuntu 21.04 comes with 390 [09:26] but [09:26] I installed visual code by damn repository [09:26] I am not sure how that could affect nvidia [09:26] but microsoft might be sneaky [09:28] ok 470 works [09:31] Hi i need help , apparently there is a bug in blender ,i guess cuda don't detect after wake from sleep ,i guess it's nvidia doing ,i found a arch forum and found a solution ,that i need implement systemd service that will use new nvidea suspend method. But... [09:31] http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/440.59/README/powermanagement.html [09:32] But ,nooo, these samples don't exist in my system '/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/samples' ,😔 [09:32] Pls ,sombody can provide those systemd service file ? [09:46] Anyone here , c'mon [09:47] hey how do I make files dropping to application from nautilus to panel [09:47] I am using 21.04 with gnome [09:47] with panel to dash extension [09:49] dash-to-panel@jderose9.github.com === Oxfuxxx is now known as artemis === artemis is now known as Oxfuxxx [09:55] it seems like [09:55] I have to drag [09:55] file [09:55] from left side down corner to right side down corner [09:56] to get all windows to drag file into [09:56] that is stupid [09:56] https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1160/dash-to-panel/ [09:57] well that is better than nothing [09:58] alt tab also works [09:58] but had to change config === Oxfuxxx is now known as artemis === artemis is now known as Oxfuxxx === Oxfuxxx is now known as artemis === artemis is now known as Oxfuxxx === qtext55 is now known as qtext [11:19] So I am trying to understand my new Ubuntu install. When I hit the super key and start typing, applications are suggested. For example when I type "fi" it suggests "firefox", "files" etc. Where is the list of these applications and how can I edit it? [11:21] desktop files [11:21] or [11:21] wait a minute [11:21] Ok [11:25] there is no list, just a folder with desktop files ( starters) [11:26] oh this is interesting. [11:26] oerheks: In /usr/share/applications? [11:26] yep [11:26] its desktop files [11:26] 2 places, you can place your .desktop file at /usr/share/applications/ or at ~/.local/share/applications/. [11:26] for nautilus [11:26] 2nd is user based only [11:26] Ok.. let me explore those ... [11:26] aka gnome files [11:26] see this file [11:27] /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Nautilus.desktop [11:27] snaps are stored somewhere else [11:27] check $XDG_DATA_DIRS [11:28] My /home/user/.local/share/applications/ is empty. Lets see what happens when I put something there ... [11:28] most likely your system has them in /var/lib/snapd/desktop/applications [11:29] you dont need to put anything there [11:29] you can just edit the existing .desktop files [11:29] KBar: I want to create a root terminal launcher. [11:29] So when I hit the meta key and type "r" it suggests "root terminal". [11:30] ah okay [11:30] just create another desktop file [11:31] https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html [11:31] I thought I'd start by copying the normal terminal desktop file. But where is it? I don't see anything with "term" in the name in /usr/share/applications/. [11:31] org.gnome.Terminal [11:31] try that [11:31] Ah, nice. [11:31] everything related to gnome has that prefix [11:31] conforming to freedesktop specification [11:32] * beuys does cp /usr/share/applications/org.gnome.Terminal.desktop /home/user/.local/share/applications/ [11:32] Lets see what happens when all I change it the name from "Terminal" to "RootTerminal". [11:33] nothing, i guess [11:33] there is no root-terminal [11:33] you need to specifi the Exec [11:33] do you see the Exec= field? [11:33] oerheks: i think the name is only cosmetic [11:33] KBar: Yeah [11:34] change that field to whatever you want bash/sh to start with [11:34] and rename the desktop entry [11:34] thats it [11:35] The first step at least workd. When I type "roo" it suggests "RootTerminal" now. [11:35] KBar: There are 3 "Exec=gnome-terminal" lines in that file. [11:36] Maybe I can delete 2 of the 3 sections? There are "[Desktop Entry]", "[Desktop Action new-window]" and "[Desktop Action preferences]". [11:36] Maybe prefixing "gnome-terminal" with "gksu gnome-terminal" will work? [11:37] i mean they're self-explanatory [11:37] Oh, there is no gksu. Hmm.. [11:37] new-window is for new windows [11:37] beuys, no, it does not make terminal loged in as root [11:37] preference opens the preferences dialog [11:37] anyway, you need to type a password [11:37] exactly [11:37] oerheks: Yes, I will have to type a password when I open it. [11:38] But the question is: What do I put in the Exec line? [11:38] check man gnome-terminal [11:38] what options it supports [11:38] KBar: I don't think its an option of the application as which user it is started. [11:39] ? [11:39] The Desktop Actions is for when you right-click the icon on the status bar [11:39] you can start gnome-terminal with lots of options [11:39] so there appear extra menu items like "Options" and such [11:40] see if it supplies something that will execute a command or program on launch [11:40] In a terminal one would write "sudo gnome-terminal". But I don't think that is the right choice for the desktop file. [11:40] I would suggest setting your launch command to 'gnome-terminal -- sudo -s' [11:40] with the dashes and everything [11:40] gnome-terminal -e=sudo [11:41] man gnome-terminal has everything [11:41] alive: I think that would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal? [11:41] dont be lazy [11:41] weird thinking [11:41] beuys: It would start a terminal as the current user and launch the user directly into a sudo shell [11:41] KBar: That would run a root terminal inside a normal terminal. [11:41] no [11:41] honestly i would not want to run gnome-terminal itself as root [11:41] Unless there is a specific reason you want to [11:44] If you want to run gnome-terminal itself as root, you would of course need to install gksudo [11:45] alive: Are you sure there is no way without gksudo? [11:45] you can also create another desktop file, set its name to rootterminal, chown it to root and set-uid [11:45] idk if that works tho [11:45] worth a shot [11:45] You could definitely edit your sudoers file to allow yourself passwordless sudo [11:45] KBar: I doubt that. [11:45] of course specifying the Exec= [11:45] then you could just set Exec=sudo gnome-terminal [11:46] alive: Hmm... yeah, maybe. [11:47] So far I think installing gksudo would be the best option. [11:47] But why do you want to run "gnome-terminal as root" and not "root in gnome-terminal"? Is it some ease of use thing? Because I'm almost at the point where I must insist you are trying to solve a problem by creating a different one. [11:49] you said it [11:49] It seems there is no gksudo in the sources. [11:50] You are correct, it seems it was removed with ubuntu 17.10 and no viable alternative exists [11:50] there is pkexec [11:51] But then I run into the potential problem that I was trying to help you avoid which is: "Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused [11:53] One approach might be to run "sudo gnome-terminal && exit" in a normal terminal. [11:53] But thats pretty ugly compared to gksudo. [11:53] I must say, I really like the root termian .desktop file i made, i'm gonna share it here. [11:54] please do [11:54] Yeah [11:55] https://pastebin.com/c3G7Q9LQ [11:55] open pandoras box :D [11:55] i put it in ~/.local/share/applications [11:55] alive: Testing it ... [11:56] Opens a gnome-terminal and outright asks for sudo password. Once that is provided, it launches the root shell [11:56] in the future try using paste.ubuntu.com [11:56] provided in the topic [11:56] do usermod root -s /path/to/your/shell if you don't like the root shell [11:56] KBar: sorry [11:56] i make that mistake all the time in #nginx too lol [11:57] alive: That does not start a root terminal. It starts a root shell in a use shell in a user terminal. [11:57] alive does gnome-terminal -e=COMMAND produce the same thing? [11:58] to start the terminal you must have eid=root [11:58] terminal as root* [11:58] you cant open root terminal when your euid=1000 [11:59] alive: So for example when you start a new terminal via ctrl+n from your terminal, it starts another normal user terminal where you are a user, not root. [11:59] Ah now I think I understand the problem [12:00] -e=command does not work for me KBar [12:00] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/VWdCkw8kQt/ [12:00] put sudo or whatever command you want [12:00] instead of command [12:00] I just get a deprecation notice :) [12:01] GNOME Terminal 3.38.1 [12:01] So far, the only way I found to start a root terminal is to open a user terminal and run sudo gnome-terminal; exit [12:02] beuys: I think your problem is so foreign to me because of the following factors. 1) I find no issue in spawning 100 terminals and sudo'ing in all of them. 2) I can only work in so many terminals at a time. Specifically 1. 3) I very rarely spend time as root on my own pc. Most of my time is spent writing automation. [12:08] I will use this line for now: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &"; exit [12:08] Somewhat ugly but c'est la vie. [12:09] That is clever [12:09] Looks like it also works without the final "; exit". [12:09] So this works: Exec=gnome-terminal -e "sudo gnome-terminal &" [12:15] Thanks for all the help alive and KBar! [12:27] is using backports in ubuntu discouraged? [12:28] ubuntuuser123456, nah ... but backports has been rather idly for a long time (i think in 20.04 you can count the packages in the backports repo on one hand) [12:29] 2 hands ;) [12:30] sad :/ welp, seems like I have to adjust to building my own then [12:30] ubuntuuser123456, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-August/041587.html [12:30] the team just has been re-vived it seems [12:32] ubuntuuser123456: what are you trying to do exactly? [12:32] what? [12:32] Hello there. [12:32] anyone running zsh? [12:32] Hi - Does anyone know the difference between https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab and https://gist.github.com/jstreeb/8ccffad8d9c95ae2e34c4abfc0dfd6ab [12:32] lotuspsychje nothing specific. I was just looking at specifically youtube-dl, as that one breaks pretty often [12:32] thanks ogra :) [12:33] ubuntuuser123456, use the snap 😉 [12:33] NoSuchBugorFeatu this is an Ubuntu-focused channel. [12:33] (it is well maintained and regulary updated) [12:33] breaks= file a bug? [12:33] KBar: i see, thank you. [12:33] is this channel for ubuntu questions or questions in general? [12:33] Hi to everyone who wants to take my help [12:33] so, what do I have to do? [12:33] it is not broken [12:33] *this channel? [12:33] *NoSuchBugOrFeatu [12:34] FakePhish26342 Ubuntu support. [12:34] ogra oh didn't know there was a snap for that. still rather new to snaps and flatpaks ;) [12:34] 🙂 [12:35] additionally I am rather a fan of debs (as long as I know what it's doing :) ) [12:35] I'm pretty sure the problem is in the .deb [12:36] VerlorrenLol2634 which problem oO [12:37] ubuntuuser123456, the deb is at 2020.03.24-1 ... the snap at 2021.06.06+gita803582 ... so you have the choice at least 🙂 [12:37] I get the following error when booting: "cant find a medium containing a live file system". I have the usb mounted, and it says "mounted the iso and extracted it" I've read on the internet to try to "try a previous kernel" so I did. it says it works fine, but then when I boot it goes into grub rescue again, and tells me to "try a previous kernel" or to run the memtest. My computer doesn't seem to be able to [12:37] VerlorrenLol2634: please remove all but one of your IRC clients from this channel. This is a support channel, not a place to mess around [12:37] hi [12:37] My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do? [12:37] I'm fine there [12:37] Hello [12:37] how I find which version I have? [12:38] uhm [12:38] whats going on? [12:38] rise of the machines? [12:39] !op | can we please remove JustAnotherCamel VerlorrenLol2634 FakePhish26342 and NoSuchBugOrFeatu ? They are the same person spamming the channel with fake "questions" and comments [12:39] can we please remove JustAnotherCamel VerlorrenLol2634 FakePhish26342 and NoSuchBugOrFeatu ? They are the same person spamming the channel with fake "questions" and comments: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, [12:39] My computer seems to not be able to boot up, what should I do? [12:39] gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, chu [12:39] I have been using windows for a long time now and I have recently decided to use ubuntu [12:39] how to I fix it [12:39] I don't know [12:39] I can't use the live usb, and the computer won't boot from it [12:39] Why [12:39] can you explain more to me [12:39] ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now) [12:39] TheRedQueen: TY [12:40] ogra yeah I see that, will think about it.but as I am also looking for podman, buildah, skopeo stuff. i assume not everything can be covered by snap (for now) [12:40] ubuntuuser123456, well, if it is not, it is really easy (miles easier than deb) to make a snap yourself for any app you need ... [12:40] ahh oops sry doublepost :/ [12:40] thanks leftyfb and TheRedQueen [12:41]