[01:51] <linsux> https://imgur.com/a/PYlHEcy
[01:52] <linsux> looks like system is dead
[01:52] <linsux> cannot update anymore
[01:59] <linsux> any help?
[01:59] <Bashing-om> linsux: lvm2...socket is masked - maybe try and unmask it ? >> "A "mask" makes the service un-startable until you "unmask" it:".
[02:02] <linsux> i don't even use lvm2
[02:07] <CloudUser> is this official
[02:08] <Bashing-om> !support | CloudUser
[02:11] <CloudUser> can the default ubuntu arm64 install do IPv6 Router Solicit
[02:12] <CloudUser> pretty much without NetworkMananger maybe nm-cli
[02:15] <CloudUser> hi DarkKnight0007
[02:16] <DarkKnight0007> hi
[02:16] <CloudUser> hi gregl are you intercepting all networks and converting it to graphics
[02:18] <CloudUser> DarkKnight0007: what brings you here? I as usual the only with legitimate conscerns
[02:18] <CloudUser> and then a bunch of clowns follow me everywhere to look for exploits
[02:19] <CloudUser> just look at the channel 1009 members with no legitimate support requeats but I will get accused in a moment for simply doing what is expected
[02:20] <CloudUser> it's like a killer chicken-coop
[02:20] <krytarik> CloudUser: I'd appreciate if you cut it out.
[02:20] <DarkKnight0007> CloudUser: i am an ubuntu user, just wandering around
[02:24] <CloudUser> see there krytarik strutting his beak
[02:24] <CloudUser> he is a manager!
[02:25] <CloudUser> an official biznizz manager "dis be a biznizz" we call police
[02:25] <CloudUser> krytarik: gobble gobble
[04:29] <boblamont> How much hard drive space do I have to alott to install Lubuntu 20.04?
[04:30] <boblamont> The only additional programs I'd be installing are nginx, icecast and butt (broadcast using this tool) (all of which take up a relatively small amount of space).
[04:31] <vaginaldischarge> boblamont: how are you?
[04:31] <tomreyn> boblamont: probably around 10 GB. but if you'll be broadcasting this data will probably need to be stored somehwere, too - i assume you thought about that?
[04:32] <boblamont> tomreyn: What data do you mean?
[04:33] <tomreyn> boblamont: icecast and (i don't know it, but based on what you write) butt are steaming tools. to stream content / media, that will need to come from somewhere, unless you'll produce it all live.
[04:34] <vaginaldischarge> is boblamont still mad?
[04:35] <boblamont> tomreyn: ok, that's what I thought you meant. No, it is sourced live through the sound input.
[04:35] <boblamont> tomreyn: But it does archive to file, which is why I want to make the system partition as small as needed, so I can have those store to a separate partition.
[04:36] <boblamont> They ran into trouble before of not paying attention and letting the files fill the drive to the point it wouldn't boot.
[04:36] <boblamont> vaginaldischarge: still mad?
[04:36] <tomreyn> boblamont: oh okay well then it you will probably be fine with 10 GB, maybe a bit less even. if you put everything on LVM, you will be able to resize file systems easier later on.
[04:38] <vaginaldischarge> well, you were quite furious yesterday
[04:39] <tomreyn> vaginaldischarge: please keep it on topic here, ubuntu support. there's #ubuntu-offtopic also (the guidelines linked in /topic apply there as well)
[04:40] <vaginaldischarge> tomreyn: i understand that but i need to get my money back
[04:43] <boblamont> tomreyn: Thanks, I appreciate it. I have around 15-20 GB free, so looks like I'll be able to install soon without having to toss anything.
[05:42] <russell--> ohai, i'm having trouble with ubuntu 20.04.3 lts install on a lenovo yoga 2 pro, where the backlight is fluctuating by itself. watching /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness it fluctuates without me doing anything.
[05:44] <russell--> 176, then 278, then 176 again, wtf?
[06:35] <zappa35> May i ask a question?
[06:41] <EriC^^> sure zappa35
[06:44] <zappa35> I have noticed a new app on my ubuntu 21.04 desktop. it is called Software and does the same thing as the Ubuntu Software app. Is there some error or perhaps malware?
[06:45] <zappa35> i had upgraded from 20.04 about a week ago and just see this new app today
[06:54] <EriC^^> zappa35: you mean it's on your desktop?
[06:55] <zappa35> it is in the app menu and the icon is a blue breifcase with a menu icon in the center
[07:07] <EriC^^> sounds right zappa35
[07:07] <EriC^^> i've the same one, on 20.04 though
[07:09] <zappa35> ok, thank you.
[07:09] <EriC^^> no problem\
[07:09] <zappa35> is it normal to have both the software app and ubuntu software app?
[07:10] <zappa35> perhaps a result of upgrading and one didnt auto remove?
[07:20] <suteri> Is there a method nowadays to reset X (gdm) config? ON Ubuntu-20.
[07:26] <Daulity> hey all
[07:26] <Daulity> got another question
[07:26] <Daulity> network related
[07:26] <zappa35> suteri, in a terminal type this to reset: dconf reset -f /org/gnome/
[07:27] <Daulity> we have been noticing that on our embedded linux which runs ubuntu setting up network is slow that is at boot it takes a fair while for network interfaces to come up
[07:27] <Daulity> any suggestions?
[07:29] <Daulity> we use networkd to setup the network interfaces
[07:30] <Daulity> we have three interfaces eth0 eth1 and can0 could it be that networkd initializes each interface one at a time?
[07:32] <arnav> hi
[07:32] <arnav> is wine performance at per with native code
[07:32] <arnav> or slower
[07:32] <arnav> ?
[07:35] <Daulity> arnav: mostely slower sometimes but not often faster or equal
[07:38] <ducasse> suteri: the x config is generated on each startup of an x sesion
[07:45] <suteri> zappa35, ducasse: thanks
[07:46] <suteri> ducasse: Do you know if there is a way to "reset" gdm somehow, due to not starting while it previously has?
[07:47] <ducasse> not really, try purging and reinstalling the package or try another dm
[07:57] <suteri> ducasse: Ok, thanks.
[09:46] <clarkk> Could someone please tell me how to completely disable kcompactd0?  It's causing my vmware guest to run at 100% to 300%.  I've already added "@reboot echo never > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag" to the root's crontab
[10:02] <TJ-> clarkk: use sysctl for setting such nodes, not cron (add a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ )
[10:35] <clarkk> TJ-, thanks - I'll try it
[10:51] <clarkk> TJ-, I have done that now (created a systemd service).  It has the same effect as adding the command to the crontab, which is "always defer defer+madvise madvise [never]" contained in /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag, but I'll see if it makes a difference.  Just to confirm, This _is_ the correct way to disable kcompactd0, isn't it?
[10:52] <clarkk> it still seems to be running. ps reveals,   root          66       2  0 11:45 ?        00:00:00 [kcompactd0]
[10:54] <TJ-> clarkk: why did you create a systemd service? there is no need, just a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ which is applied on start by systemd-sysctl.service. As to [kcompact0] that's a kernel thread. Are you sure its prescence isn't expected regardless of the setting - doesn't mean it is actually doing anything
[10:55] <clarkk> TJ-, I'm pretty sure that it's causing the problem because it's compacting large vmware files
[11:01] <Testing> /join
[11:03] <Testing> /join wildcult
[11:03] <Testing> hello
[11:05] <nunya>  I'm having problems with volume osd not showing percentage. The upper part of the osd is working The line that shows volume percentage below isn't https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v2bsjJpc5H/ I have googled and found how to disable, change position, but found no results for my problem, please help
[11:07] <TJ-> clarkk: according to source-code comments if you need to set "never" there's a big problem and the kernel dev's would like to know about it. However, looks like there's two ways to set degrag, one via sysfs and the other via sysctl. Wondering if there's some difference in which you trigger
[11:09] <clarkk> mine is just a default installation. The issue has been reported before
[11:10] <TJ-> clarkk: ahh, my mistake, the kernel code confusing refers to /proc/sys/ as SYSFS !
[11:14] <clarkk> TJ-, "a file in /etc/sysctl.d/ which is applied on start by systemd-sysctl.service."   Could you point me to some instructions. I could only find some about making it a service
[11:15] <clarkk> also, can the option be set using this method, rather than using echo?   https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/5-sysctl.d/
[11:16] <clarkk> if so, what would the parameter be for /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/defrag  ?
[11:17] <TJ-> clarkk: actually, ignore me! I totally misread your original report and for some reason imagined the target path was /proc/sys/kernel DOH!. In which case obviously sysctl is not going to help!
[11:17] <clarkk> would the key for sys.kernel.mm.transparent_hugepage.defrag  be  defrag.transparent_hugepage.mm.kernel.sys ?
[11:18] <clarkk> ok so the above won't work?
[11:18] <clarkk> so have I done it correctly?
[11:18] <clarkk> by creating a systemd service?
[11:22] <TJ-> clarkk: it's one way. My brain is obviously misfiring today but I do recall there is a 'standardised' way to write to the sysfs nodes at boot-time. I /think/ it may be via a udev rule
[11:25] <TJ-> clarkk: aha! got it
[11:25] <TJ-> !info sysfsutils | clarkk
[11:26] <TJ-> clarkk: in summary, that reads its /etc/sysfsutils.conf and applies settings from that
[11:29] <TJ-> clarkk: OK, so it creates a parts directory /etc/sysfs.d/ where you can drop a file which is read on startup by /etc/init.d/sysfsutils (which is activated by systemd - see "systemctl status sysfsutils")
[11:29] <TJ-> clarkk: examples are in the comments in /etc/sysfs.conf
[12:08] <clarkk> TJ-, When I run systemctl status sysfsutils, I get the error,  Unit sysfsutils.service could not be found.
[12:08] <clarkk> there's no sysfs.conf file
[12:08] <clarkk> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04, btw
[12:09] <TJ-> clarkk: you need to /install/ the package!
[12:09] <TJ-> !info sysfsutils | clarkk
[12:11] <clarkk> TJ-, this is interesting, but is this necessary?  Will what I've done work as it is?  I'm really pushed for time
[12:11] <TJ-> clarkk: well, it is designed for the job
[12:12] <TJ-> clarkk: as it is you've got a one off; with sysfsutils you've a service that can be replicated to any systems in the future
[12:12] <clarkk> realistically, I'm not going to roll out any other systems
[12:13] <clarkk> kcompactd0 does still seem to be running, tho, despite having never in that file
[12:13] <TJ-> clarkk: it's a kernel thread, it will
[12:14] <TJ-> clarkk: are you seeing it showing load though?
[12:16] <clarkk> not at the moment
[12:20] <clarkk> Thanks for your hep TJ- I'll keep an eye on it
[15:26] <thelounge3212> Can someone help? https://i.imgur.com/Pg9FdWJ.png - this is on a VPS, I have no physical server access. There is a rescue mode though on the control panel (SolusVM).
[15:27] <thelounge3212> I can't remotely SSH to my server anymore. Only VNC access works. But that's all it shows. I am lost.
[15:27] <TJ-> thelounge3212: as I said in #debian.OFTC it looks like there is no boot storage device attached to the guest
[15:28] <thelounge3212> Is this able to be fixed via rescue mode?
[15:28] <TJ-> thelounge3212: I doubt it since it is something controlled by the hypervisor configuration tooling
[15:29] <thelounge3212> Best bet is to just ticket the host then?
[15:29] <TJ-> thelounge3212: well that, or investigate how to reconnect storage to the guest profile
[15:30] <thelounge3212> hmm i see.
[16:02] <russell--> ohai, i'm having trouble with ubuntu 20.04.3 lts install on a lenovo yoga 2 pro, where the backlight is fluctuating by itself. watching /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness it fluctuates without me doing anything.
[16:04] <lotuspsychje> is that on 5.11 kernel russell-- ?
[16:05] <lotuspsychje> russell--: share your dmesg in a pastebin if you like, volunteers will have a deeper look into it for you
[16:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> how do I set default shotcut template to use 100% quality settings
[16:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> this software is obviously made with flaws by design
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> Ronalds_Mazitis_: are you using snap or apt version?
[16:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> apt
[16:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have to change settings every time I want to render
[16:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it takes too much time
[16:20] <russell--> lotuspsychje: http://sprunge.us/4eaiep
[16:20] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: isn't this a question for the shotcut documentation? It's very application usage specific
[16:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> there is no settings
[16:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> this is crap
[16:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> flaw
[16:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> a design mistake
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> russell--: any reason you are using 5.14? did you test this on 20.04 default kernel or its HWE?
[16:21] <russell--> yes
[16:22] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: https://forum.shotcut.org/c/bug/6
[16:22] <TheGuestMovie> Hi. I'd like to list the files that can be found in the packages of a PPA, because I'm looking for something specific and I'm not sure which package it's in (if it's there at all). apt-file only seems to show the contents of official Ubuntu packages, not PPAs. Is there a convenient way to achieve this?
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> russell--: fluctuates on all kernels?
[16:22] <russell--> yep
[16:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> video editing software creators are mentally ill
[16:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> so does yall
[16:23] <leftyfb> Ronalds_Mazitis_: feel free to rant in #ubunut-offtopic
[16:23] <leftyfb> sorry, #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:24] <lotuspsychje> russell--: ideapad_acpi VPC2004:00: Keyboard backlight control not available in your dmesg
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> russell--: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1336224/lenovo-legion-7-16achg6-2021-backlight-brightness-control-problem
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> check that second answer, see if you can reproduce
[16:29] <russell--> i can control it from keyboard fine
[16:29] <russell--> http://sprunge.us/Qr1aQu for the ubuntu hwe kernel
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> russell--: i915 0000:00:02.0: [drm] Panel advertises DPCD backlight support, but VBT disagrees. If your backlight controls don't work try booting with i915.enable_dpcd_backlight=1. If your machine needs this, please file a _new_ bug report on drm/i915, see https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/-/wikis/How-to-file-i915-bugs for details.
[16:33] <russell--> the backlight controls *do* work. but something is auto-adjusting the backlight in an annoying way
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> russell--: can you describe it, is it constant flickering or what happens exactly?
[16:35] <russell--> every few seconds the brightness adjusts in a ~10% setup up, then a few seconds later, back down
[16:35] <russell--> seems worse when there is lots of white on the screen
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> thats a weird one
[16:36] <russell--> watching the brightness value in sysfs, i can see it changing
[16:37] <lotuspsychje> russell--: could you try a hibernate and back to desktop, see if it influences?
[16:38] <rfm> kind of sounds like some ambient-light adaptation "feature" triggering off the screen light itself.  russell-- , have you looked in the bios for some way to disable adaptive brightness?
[16:38] <lotuspsychje> russell--: seems like this user also has it, https://github.com/jrandiny/yoga-slim7-ubuntu/issues/1
[16:47] <russell--> fwiw, i was, prior to 20.04 running 16.04 on this box with the same BIOS and not seeing this problem
[16:48] <russell--> where *is* the auto-brightness setting?
[16:49] <ravage> russell--: tried the HWE kernel?
[16:50] <ravage> oh sorry. i didnt get the full conversation. was already mentioned
[16:50] <russell--> ravage: yes
[16:54] <russell--> it does seem better after a suspend/resume
[16:55] <lotuspsychje> russell--: i think this would deserve a new/existing bug if it was once working on earlier kernel
[16:55] <russell--> going to try from a cold boot again
[16:56]  * russell-- has been unable to locate a setting for auto-adjustment, not sure even what might be responsible
[16:58] <lotuspsychje> russell--: try dconf-editor and type brightness for keyword
[16:59] <rfm> russell--, I found a web post that suggests its in Settings>Power:  https://itsfoss.com/automatic-brightness-ubuntu/
[17:00] <rfm> russell--, I don't see it there, but then I'm not running on a laptop..
[17:02] <russell--> rfm: yes, found it there
[17:18] <GrandPa-G> If a person wants to give me ssh access via passphrase/certficate and I use PUTTY, what do I have to do to login?
[17:20] <TortillaSandwich> GrandPa-G: I don't use putty much but in the settings theres an authentication section somewhere, where you pass off the certificate/pem key
[17:21] <TortillaSandwich> GrandPa-G: https://devops.ionos.com/tutorials/use-ssh-keys-with-putty-on-windows/
[17:22] <GrandPa-G> TortillaSandwich, Ok, I know how to do that, but what makes server know my pem key is ok?
[17:23] <TortillaSandwich> iirc you use puttygen to convert it to a ppk, which that site seems to cover, then you attach the ppk to auth on the session and it'll pass it off at connect similar to how using rsa keys from a terminal will
[17:24] <TortillaSandwich> GrandPa-G: the server needs a list of authorized keys, to answer that second question
[17:25] <GrandPa-G> TortillaSandwich, so I have to give my public key to the server admin for them to do some magic?
[17:25] <TortillaSandwich> GrandPa-G: generally yes, if you're making a new RSA key you need to provide the admin with the public key so it can be added to teh authorized_keys file
[17:26] <TortillaSandwich> you can remote upload one if the machine takes password authentication
[17:26] <TortillaSandwich> if it does not, then provide the key to the admin
[17:26] <GrandPa-G> TortillaSandwich, that is what I thought. I don't think they understand, but I will educate them. Also, is a TortillaSandwich a tortillay between 2 slices of white bread?
[17:27] <TortillaSandwich> I feel any food container that consists of bread is a sandwich. Whether you fold it, roll it, or place items between it. It's the delivery mechanism, not the content.
[17:28] <Eickmeyer> !ot
[18:04] <Etua> Hello, I'am using Ubuntu Focal and would like to use Golang 1.17. AFAIK there is no Golang package in focal-backports. Is there a smarter way to install it than to manually retrieve tar.gz from golang.org?
[18:06] <leftyfb> Etua: is 1.17 critical for you over the 1.16 that is available?
[18:09] <syphyr> Etua, I would suggest just d/l the tar.gz and setup proper ENV variables
[18:09] <syphyr> golang updates way too often to mess with packages
[18:10] <Etua> leftyfb: I have it listed in the dependencies which were created with debian-backports in mind so it can either be that this specific version and not 1.16 is available there and the author chose to be consistent in downloading all the dependencies from backports or it really is important. Frankly I would need to test whether 1.16 would break but is it that easier to download it in comparison to 1.17?
[18:11] <leftyfb> Etua: 1.16 is available in ubuntu 20.04. 1.17 is not
[18:12] <leftyfb> Etua: 1.16 is part of the universe repo, not in ubuntu-backports
[18:15] <Etua> leftylib syphyr: Thank you, for now I will test the setup with 1.16 and will need to experiment with ENV variables if that fails. Frankly I never had a need to do that, do you have any recommended source on how to do it right?
[18:15] <ogra> Etua, snap install go ... gets you 1.17.2 (maintainer is the same as for the deb in the archive)
[18:16] <Etua> ogra: Thank you, although I am not a fan of Snap I will check this option first.
[18:16] <ogra> well, in fact "snap install go --classic" given irt is a compiler 🙂
[18:19] <syphyr> Etua, look at this: https://github.com/syphyr/dnscrypt-proxy/commit/8651725ed592d5fc697b191f563ad6d6d35c5fce
[18:20] <syphyr> golang does not need to be "installed", just extracted anywhere and put into the PATH
[18:20] <syphyr> so you dont really need any packages for it
[18:21] <leftyfb> syphyr: some people like their packages managed
[18:21] <syphyr> yah so do i
[18:21] <syphyr> but this is not messy
[18:21] <leftyfb> syphyr: having a package installed is messy?
[18:22] <syphyr> no, packages are the best way of course
[18:22] <syphyr> but if something just needs to be extracted to any directory, its pretty easy to cleanup
[18:22] <leftyfb> syphyr: tarballs are messy
[18:23] <syphyr> they can be
[18:25] <Etua> I will take the other options into account. For now I have installed a Snap and unfortunately I will need to log off for a while. Thank you all for your help.
[18:28] <syphyr> the biggest issue with using a tarbal with golang is missing the debhelper dependency
[18:28] <syphyr> there are ways to just remove that dependency, but better if you dont need to
[18:48] <SergeyIT> test
[18:49] <adzise> yes
[18:52] <leftyfb> SergeyIT: this is not the place to test your IRC client
[18:57] <SergeyIT> I understand... but can't write to #ubuntu-ru - "Cannot send to nick/channel" ((
[19:00] <leftyfb> SergeyIT: there is an almost unlimited amount of channels you can join or create to do your IRC client testing. Please not here
[19:13] <SergeyIT> anderx, why I can't write to #ubuntu-ru ? "Cannot send to nick/channel"
[19:15] <summonner> try joining first
[19:15] <sarnold> SergeyIT: you probably need to register your nickname with nickserv first
[19:18] <sarnold> heh it's even in the channel topic ) "Зарегистрируйте свой никнейм для того чтобы общаться на канале: /msg ubuntuhelp !nick "  )
[19:18] <Hornet> Allo - any idea what would prevent me from formatting a harddrive? Gparted is unable to, and 'disks' gives a nonsense message about 'mac'
[19:19] <Hornet> "don't know how to create partitions this partition table of type 'mac' (udisks-error-quark, 0)" and yes that IS what it says
[19:20] <summonner> Hornet, you likely need to change the partition type first
[19:21] <summonner> delete all existing partitions on the disk, apply/confirm and then try creating a new disk. typically ext4
[19:21] <summonner> you will lose all data on the disk
[19:21] <SergeyIT> sarnold, нет ubuntuhelp ни там, ни на этом канале
[19:21] <Hornet> thereis no data, it's all free/unallocated
[19:22] <Hornet> altough gparted sees a tiny 3.5kb partition that it can't resize or do anything with.
[19:22] <Hornet> if I delete it I can't make more
[19:22] <Hornet> 'it is not possible to create more than 0 primary partitions'
[19:22] <Hornet> @summ
[19:23] <Hornet> summonner
[19:23] <Hornet> (browser irc is tricky)
[19:24] <ravage> Hornet: try wipefs -a /dev/sdx
[19:24] <ravage> that should remove anything from that drive
[19:25] <Hornet> @/dev/sdf: 2 bytes were erased at offset 0x00000000 (mac): 45 52@
[19:25] <Hornet> no idea what that was but it cleaned it, thanks.
[19:26] <Hornet> secondary issue, and why I'm trying to do this .... my main PC has 'broken', cannot see hard drive at all.
[19:26] <sarnold> ravage: oh that's handy
[19:26] <Hornet> is there a better MO than ddrescue ?
[19:26] <Hornet> no idea what happened, last time it did this it ate the FAT and I had to scavenge everything manually
[19:27] <Hornet> getting a new drive this time, but there were no failure signs, so I suspect software
[19:27] <summonner> Hornet,   this is a very good document running through using gparted in different scenarios   https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html
[19:28] <Hornet> thanks, I know how to use it mostly, I just couldn't get it to actually start doing so :)
[19:28] <Hornet> as soon as the mac tag was purged it was fine
[19:29] <Hornet> so, yes, main drive is an SSD. I'm going to back up with ddrescue first but is there anything magic that might 'just fix' it? or scans I should run to find out?
[19:32] <ravage> how can you do ddrescue on a drive thats not recognized anymore?
[19:32] <leftyfb> ravage: you don't
[19:33] <Hornet> windows can't see it, linux probably can
[19:33] <ravage> ok. that's what i thought. off-topic land :)
[19:33] <Hornet> not if recovery is via linux
[19:33] <Hornet> it's a dual boot system
[19:34] <ravage> you can probaly check the health status of your SSD with a tool from your vendor
[19:35] <Hornet> now that I've made a batch of usb sticks I'll fiddle around and see shortly, was getting an external drive usable first
[19:35] <tomreyn> only if the device is detected in the first place
[19:35] <ravage> in general SSDs work fine or fail completely.
[19:36] <Hornet> last time the FAT was 'gone' for some reason
[19:36] <Hornet> I assumed write failure due to software
[19:36] <Hornet> this time I'm just replacing it
[19:36] <ravage> godo luck :)
[19:36] <ravage> *good
[19:36] <Hornet> thanks. far too tired & stressed for this tbh
[19:37] <Hornet> but need PC up again asap
[19:39] <Hornet> back in a while probably, need to switch rooms with this usb stick so that means going from here (live environment on different pc)
[19:39] <Hornet> will let you know what it can see, or not
[19:45] <Hornet> as expected, it's seen by linux. but it can't mount it
[19:47] <Hornet> wait what, it can't mount the two physical drives either
[19:49] <tomreyn> linux detects storage media on a bus, interprets a partition table, if any, and if instructed to do so, will try to mount a file system. but those are really separate things. which of them seems to be failing?
[19:51] <Hornet> immediately, trying to just use the 'computer' to browse the disks as normal, one of the SSDs in here is fine
[19:51] <Hornet> the other one, which is the main boot and the one that failed, won't do that. But nor will two other drives in here
[19:51] <Hornet> and they are usually fine
[19:51] <Hornet> really really worried
[19:51] <Hornet> terrabytes of data of those
[19:52] <Hornet> one of them IS the back up drive for some of the other
[19:53] <Hornet> in gparted, right-clicking the 'ntfs' partition on one of those has the 'mount' option greyed out
[19:54] <Hornet> the main SSD is showing as 'unknown partition',which might mean the FAT died again somehow
[19:54] <tomreyn> i'd rather try to examine this on a terminal, if that's an option for you.   dmesg   should list which storage devices were detected.
[19:54] <Hornet> maybe the others can't mount as it wasn't a clean shutdown?
[19:55] <tomreyn> unclean shutdown would possibly cause file systems to not get unmounted, which could mean they're now in need of file system recovery
[19:56] <Hornet> that's probably/hopefully what that is yes.
[19:57] <tomreyn> are those sata or pci ssds? does   lsblk   list all of the partitons?
[19:58] <Hornet> sata, and looks it, fdisk too
[20:00] <Hornet> Disk model: KINGSTON SA400S3
[20:01] <Hornet>  /dev/sdb1        2048 468858879 468856832 223.6G  7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[20:01] <Hornet> that's the errant one
[20:02] <tomreyn> that's a partition, not a disk
[20:02] <tomreyn> fdisk -l /dev/sdb     should tell how it's partitioned / which partition table is in use
[20:02] <Hornet> it's the only partition on Disk /dev/sdb: 223.58 GiB, 240057409536 bytes, 468862128 sectors
[20:03] <Hornet> https://termbin.com/f8on
[20:05] <tomreyn> a more reliable / safe way to work with disks is to refer to them by-id, as in one of those:   ls /dev/disk/by-id/ata-* | grep -v 'part[0-9]*$'
[20:05] <tomreyn> "Disklabel type: dos", this is a classic dos/mbr partition table
[20:06] <Hornet>  /dev/disk/by-id/ata-KINGSTON_SA400S37240G_50026B76822E1A3A in that case
[20:06] <Hornet> is there a way to mount / check the ntfs drives anyway? obviously I can't use windows, and I need to get access to those drives to recover stuff
[20:07] <tomreyn> which file system is on its first partition? sudo file -s /dev/disk/by-id/ata-KINGSTON_SA400S37240G_50026B76822E1A3A-part1
[20:07] <Hornet> symbolic link to ../../sdb1
[20:08] <tomreyn> which file system is on its first partition?    sudo file -Ls /dev/disk/by-id/ata-KINGSTON_SA400S37240G_50026B76822E1A3A-part1
[20:08] <tomreyn> oops sorry forgot that L
[20:08] <Hornet> 'data'
[20:08] <tomreyn> if it's ntfs, then there's only partial support for integrity checks on linux so far. there is "ntfsfix" for this purpose.
[20:09] <tomreyn> what does this print?   sudo mount /dev/disk/by-id/ata-KINGSTON_SA400S37240G_50026B76822E1A3A-part1 /mnt
[20:10] <tomreyn> it attempts to access the file system and to make it available at /mnt
[20:11] <Hornet> mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
[20:11] <tomreyn> so the file system can't be detected, which suggests it's probably not NTFS, or not anymore.
[20:11] <tomreyn> which ubuntu release are you running? lsb_release -ds
[20:12] <Hornet> mint 20.2
[20:12] <tomreyn> wrong chat, bye
[20:13] <Hornet> it's what I had to hand, I can use actual ubuntu if it helps?
[20:13] <Hornet> but I thought for this it'd be the same
[20:13] <Hornet> is there a difference then?
[20:13] <tomreyn> using ubuntu would not help us, but would help you get help here.
[20:15] <Hornet> I could understand that if the issue were related to high level stuff in linux, I thought they were the same for this though
[20:15] <tomreyn> that is, any supported ubuntu version (as listed on the topic of this channel, called #ubuntu)
[20:15] <Hornet> I just used what I had to hand, my system is pooched remember
[20:16] <Hornet> if you need me to go and make an ubuntu usb stick just to tick a box I can but I don't see how it's remotely efficient or useful
[20:16] <tomreyn> you do what you like to, this channel supports ubuntu.
[20:16] <tomreyn> there are other channels, elsewhere
[20:17] <Hornet> sigh. that's pretty pedantic but if you insist then I will
[20:17] <Hornet> I would understand if it actually changed anything
[20:18] <tomreyn> it certainly does
[20:20] <Hornet> for mounting drives? fedora would probably operate in the same way for this purpose
[20:20] <Hornet> anyway, back in a while
[20:36] <SergeyIT> q
[20:45] <ztane> snap </3
[20:45] <ztane> was wondering why a script using jq does not work... says permission denied when the file has perfectly good permissions.
[20:45] <ztane> turns out jq was installed from... ..snap...
[20:47] <ztane> ... and I wonder why it worked before :'D
[20:47] <leftyfb> "turns out jq was installed incorrectly from... ..snap..."   there, fixed it for you
[20:47] <ztane> leftyfb: yes...
[20:47] <ztane> thank you for the correction
[20:48] <ztane> I now know what snap stands for, it is the 2nd word in the interjection "oh snap"
[20:48] <leftyfb> ztane: snaps being limited to what they can access is by design as a security feature. You can give it more access if you need to
[20:49] <ztane> yes, it kind of does not make sense to install a random small command line utility that does not have access to what it needs to have access to
[20:50] <leftyfb> ztane: Do you have an ubuntu support issue you need help with?
[20:51] <ztane> yes I in fact have - how would I make the snap be allowed to access files in my home directory?
[20:51] <leftyfb> ztane: sudo apt remove jq && sudo install --classic jq
[20:52] <leftyfb> ug, sorry
[20:52] <ztane> and if not classic?
[20:52] <leftyfb> ztane: sudo snap remove jq && sudo snap install --classic jq
[20:52] <ztane> ya got that :P
[20:52] <ravage> is something wrong with jq from the ubuntu archives?
[20:52] <leftyfb> ztane: I don't know off the top of my head, but someone in #snappy should be able to help you with it
[20:54] <ztane> ravage: I'm using the deb version now
[21:16] <klausfiend> i'm honestly not sure why someone would use a snap of jq instead of the traditional debian package.
[21:17] <klausfiend> i'm still waiting to be convinced of the benefits of snapd and friends vs. a competent configuration management system
[21:19] <leftyfb> klausfiend: feel free to discuss in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:20] <klausfiend> leftyfb: nah, it's fine, i don't care about it _that_ much :-)
[21:25] <ogra> klausfiend, Ubuntu Core, the embedded/IoT/robotics/industrial/automotive/medical Ubuntu only allows snaps to be installed ... some developers like to use their tools there as well 😉 (and the Non Ubuntu Core users get a distro independent package for free 😉 )
[21:35] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[21:36] <Sven_vB> Is there an easier way to check which commands are available in the "try ubuntu" focal live session, than booting it in a VM and trying?
[21:36] <raub> In the Mac browser, safari, if you run it in incognito mode each tab does not seem to know of each other. For instance I can run 5 different slack instances with different accounts.
[21:36] <raub> Is there a Linux browser that does that?
[21:37] <ogra> Sven_vB, are yu looking for a particular command ? the Live session is essentially carrying a full default Ubuntu install
[21:38] <Sven_vB> raub, I prefer the Slack desktop client on linux. maybe firefox in private mode can do that as well. or you could just start several instances of firefox, albeit that might be a bit tricky to do.
[21:38] <ogra> yeah, any browser that has an incognit👋private mode should be able to do that ...
[21:39] <Sven_vB> ogra, I'm looking for something that can copy data between huge block devices and file, with progress bar and estimated time, so maybe gddrescue or pv
[21:39] <raub> Well, that means I can only have at best 2, to use the example I had, slack sessions
[21:40] <raub> In Safari I usually run 5 and they do not try to use the user from the other one
[21:40] <Sven_vB> not sure whether firefox private mode tabs can talk to each other
[21:40] <raub> They can
[21:40] <ogra> Sven_vB, ah, well, you can install packages in live mode ... so just apt install gddrescue and you should be good
[21:40] <raub> I can close a tab that I had loggedinto a site and thenopen it again and then it still remembers the account
[21:40] <ogra> raub, that would be a gross bug you should report !
[21:41] <Sven_vB> ogra, do we have persistence back? or do you mean install them again each boot?
[21:41] <ogra> privat mode should surely not stre any cookies or allow tabs to spy on each other
[21:41] <ogra> Sven_vB, the latter 🙂
[21:42] <ogra> i didnt understand you want this as a permanent solution ...
[21:42] <raub> ogra, if you kill the entire window, it forgets. But not a tab
[21:42] <Sven_vB> yeah sorry, I didn't mention that.
[21:42] <ogra> the shipped dd has a progress bar nowadays
[21:42] <Sven_vB> oh nice
[21:42] <Sven_vB> thanks :)
[21:43] <ogra> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null status=progress
[21:43] <ogra> like that ...
[21:44] <jwisbell35> msg nickserv identify nupejem4
[21:44] <sarnold> oops
[21:45] <leftyfb> if they close the window real quick nobody will see their password ;)
[21:46] <ogra> msg nickserv identify ***********
[21:46] <ogra> just pick a clever password and nobody will see it 😉
[21:47] <klausfiend> ogra: how extensive is that installation footprint vs. the millions of systems running Ubuntu server, though … shades of "systemd will solve every problem" "will it solve a sane way to hot-patch a kernel so i don't _have_ to restart my physical hardware?" "no, but just use it anyway"
[21:48] <klausfiend> in my field i have a very different set of problems that snapd does very little to help so the fact that i don't see any of its benefits should not be a surprise
[21:48] <leftyfb> "<klausfiend> leftyfb: nah, it's fine, i don't care about it _that_ much :-)"
[21:49] <ogra> heh
[21:49] <leftyfb> and actually, yes, "canonical-livepatch" is in fact a snap
[21:49] <ogra> as is firefox with tomorrows Ubuntu release
[21:49] <leftyfb> ugh, another non-LTS :)
[21:50] <ogra> anyway ... we should better go to #ubuntu-discuss 🙂
[21:50] <Sven_vB> on my installed Ubuntu focal, the status=progress in dd only shows how much it has done and current speed, not relative progress or estimated time of arrival or estimated remaining time, even if the input device has a known size. do we have something with indication of remaining effort?
[21:50] <Sven_vB> (something that also ships on the live DVD)
[21:51] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: look at pv
[21:51] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-dd-command-show-progress-while-coping/
[21:51] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, pv would be ideal. does it ship on the live DVD?
[21:52] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: no idea, I have no need to run anything off a live DVD
[21:52] <genii> Sven_vB: Before status=progress was added to dd I used a method which piped through pv
[21:53] <genii> But for the remaining etc you also have to plug into the the total bytes of the thing being copied
[21:53] <Sven_vB> I think the live DVD has some casper file that lists the name of all installed packages. I'll try and search that
[21:53] <ogra> i dont think pv is preinstalled
[21:54] <ogra> ogra@acheron:~$ apt-cache show pv|grep tasks
[21:54] <ogra> ogra@acheron:~$
[21:54] <ogra> nope ... ot in any task
[21:54] <ogra> *not
[21:54] <genii> ogra: Yeah, it's not part of base or such
[21:54] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: why do you need this whole live environment again?
[21:55] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, I'm looking for a live DVD that I can recommend for disk imaging
[21:56] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: define disk imaging
[21:56] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, raw copy block devices to files and files to block devices, with estimate about remaining time
[21:57] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: for what purpose? What does the disk image come from?
[21:58] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, backup/restore of windows and its boot loader
[21:58] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: for your own personal use? Pretty sure there are already made solutions for this sort of thing
[22:00] <klausfiend> leftyfb: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[22:01] <Sven_vB> back again
[22:01] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: for your own personal use? Pretty sure there are already made solutions for this sort of thing
[22:01] <Sven_vB> I'm trying to guide a friend like "burn this DVD, boot from it, attach your external harddisk", then have them use gparted to set partition names to something not easily mistyped, and run commands using /dev/disk/by-partlabel.
[22:02] <Sven_vB> my hope is that once we managed the gparted part, it will be easy enough for them to do on their own every month
[22:02] <ogra> Sven_vB, so you have to install gparted too ...
[22:02] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: this can all be put into a single script, without the need for gparted or anything
[22:02] <Sven_vB> ogra, does it no longer ship? I thought I had used it on the live DVD
[22:02] <leftyfb> ogra: gparted is installed on the live image
[22:02] <ogra> ah, k
[22:03]  * ogra hasnt had to use a live image in years 🙂
[22:03] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: every month????
[22:03] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: what in the world is this machine for?
[22:03] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, I have no idea what their partition table looks like, so I need a GUI tool that my friend can understand
[22:03] <ogra> $ apt-cache show gparted|grep Task
[22:03] <ogra> Task: ubuntu-live, xubuntu-live, ubuntustudio-dvd-live, ubuntukylin-live, ubuntu-mate-live, ubuntu-budgie-live
[22:03] <ogra> ah, yeah
[22:04] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, it's a gaming PC. what backup intervals would you recommend instead, for Win 10?
[22:04] <leftyfb> oh, to create an image
[22:05] <Sven_vB> yeah
[22:05] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: did you look at clonezilla?
[22:05] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: again, I know for a fact there are multiple commercial and open solutions for this sort of thing
[22:06] <Sven_vB> haven't checked, will do. :)
[22:06] <ogra> well, if you instruct them to use gparted you can as well add two lines to install gddrescue to the instructions
[22:06] <Sven_vB> ogra, that would require setting up their wifi each time
[22:07] <ogra> "press ctrl+al+T type: sudo apt install gddrescue"
[22:07] <ogra> *alt
[22:07] <ogra> yeah, indeed
[22:22] <Berfi> Hi, I can't run GNU Solfege. If I start in terminal this is what I get: https://pastebin.com/raw/JkfTWmjQ
[22:24] <leftyfb> Berfi: ( cat /etc/os-release ; apt-cache policy solfege ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:25] <Berfi> leftyfb, https://pastebin.com/raw/tZcxmBcD
[22:27] <Berfi> https://pastebin.com/raw/66ttvsPv
[22:31] <Berfi> leftyfb, https://termbin.com/98zk
[22:35] <oerheks> Why running solfege as root?
[22:36] <Berfi> oerheks, I've just tried it. Nothing special
[22:36] <Berfi> Sorry about it.. Not connected to the issue
[22:37] <oerheks> yes, i think it is, and why starting from terminal?
[22:38] <Berfi> Because if I click on the shortcut it doesn't do anything, so I had to see somthing
[22:40] <oerheks> hit f5? https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GNU_Solfege/
[22:41] <oerheks> not sure it is properly ported to python3
[22:43] <oerheks> last version 3.22 is from 2013 ..
[22:54] <yolo_> trying to get ethernet working on server, what's the relationship between network-manager and netplan on server with ubuntu-desktop added, who has higher priority
[22:54] <yolo_> i can manaully dhclient -i enp3s0, but lshw -class network showed enp3s0 is disabled by default
[22:56] <Berfi> oerheks, Not even a Windows opens up
[22:56] <ogra> yolo_, if you have NM installed you should use nmtui or nmcli to configure it ... IIRC N installs an override file into /etc/netplan to make itself the default renderer for network configs
[22:57] <ogra> s/N/NM/
[22:57] <leftyfb> yolo_: why do you have a desktop added to a server?
[22:57] <ogra> "on server with ubuntu-desktop" ...
[22:58] <ogra> (so i was assuming "yes" 🙂 )
[22:58] <leftyfb> I didn't ask if, I asked why
[22:58] <ogra> oops
[22:58] <oerheks> disable systemd-networkd.service that uses on netplan.yaml
[22:58] <ogra> me blind today ...
[22:59] <darcksama> yes, i use it for first time
[22:59] <leftyfb> most of the time people do this for silly reasons like using gedit or file manager. It makes such a mess of a properly running server and adds overhead and complication
[22:59] <darcksama> this group is about ubuntu?
[23:00] <leftyfb> darcksama: this is an ubuntu support channel. If you have a support issue, feel free to ask for help. If you're just looking to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:00] <yolo_> leftyfb: want to autoinstall ubuntu, hard to do with desktop, so I autoinstall the server then add ubuntu-desktop.
[23:00] <darcksama> thanks =) i use Hexchat for first time and i get an little lost, well now i can find me =)
[23:01] <leftyfb> yolo_: autoinstall?
[23:01] <leftyfb> darcksama: type:   /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:02] <yolo_> as a test in virtualbox, ubuntu 20.04 server(or desktop) failed to install 99 out of 100, I made it installed by turning off network(still, most of the time it will fail to install)
[23:02] <yolo_> it's a long story, fair to say ubuntu 20.04 never liked virtualbox on ubuntu 20.04
[23:03] <yolo_> leftyfb: yes the goal is to let PXE to autoinstall server then add ubuntu-desktop, for like 100 of them, so auto-install is important
[23:03] <leftyfb> yolo_: Ubuntu 20.04 works fine as a guest within Virtualbox running on Ubuntu 2.04. Maybe you should be asking for help with a fresh install of ubuntu 20.04 desktop as a guest in Virtualbox instead of installing server and then the desktop packages and trying to fiddle your way through network settings
[23:04] <yolo_> leftyfb: agreed, 20.04 is the first time canonical doing autoinstall(cloud-init) on the server, desktop is not there yet, and ubuntu is moving away from preseeding, so it's a bit mess
[23:05] <yolo_> i have asked virtualbox+ubuntu20.04 and tried many times in the past, always aborted, except once out of like 20
[23:05] <yolo_> google says i'm not alone, but, no fix
[23:05] <sarnold> what bug number?