[01:20] <jbicha> rbasak: I haven't seen that. If you use gnome-shell extensions, see if you still have that issue with them disabled
[02:50] <callmepk> good morning
[03:20] <duflu> Hi callmepk 
[03:24] <callmepk> hi duflu 
[03:35] <pieq> Hello!
[05:03] <callmepk> hi pieq 
[05:15] <duflu> Also hi pieq 
[05:33] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[05:56] <callmepk> hi oSoMoN 
[06:01] <duflu> Hi oSoMoN 
[06:10] <oSoMoN> hey callmepk, duflu 
[07:02] <didrocks> hey callmepk, duflu, oSoMoN 
[07:03] <duflu> Hi didrocks 
[07:15] <callmepk> hi didrocks 
[08:01] <GunnarHj> Hi all!
[08:01] <GunnarHj> Some desktop team input at bug #1946969 would be greatly appreciated.
[08:01] <GunnarHj> Background in short:
[08:01] <GunnarHj> * There is this "Xwayland on demand" idea in latest mutter (e.g. https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1673)
[08:01] <GunnarHj> * It means that you may start your wayland session without Xwayland and ibus-x11 processes running
[08:01] <ubottu> Bug 1946969 in im-config (Ubuntu) "ibus-x11 does not start automatically" [High, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1946969
[08:01] <GunnarHj> * This has proved to be an issue for ibus-mozc users, since ibus-mozc needs ibus-x11 to work.
[08:01] <ubottu> Merge 1673 in GNOME/mutter "Xwayland on demand by default" [Merged]
[08:01] <GunnarHj> Question: Would it be justifiable to make sure that Xwayland and ibus-x11 are started for everyone at login into a wayland session in impish, e.g. by running the xrefresh command in an autostart script?
[08:02] <GunnarHj> Not so many "home" today, but Trevinho, duflu, oSoMoN, callmepk ^
[08:03] <duflu> GunnarHj, I don't think any of us have an opinion on that. If you need to undo it then I don't mind
[08:04] <duflu> Might be best to take it up with upstream first though
[08:08] <GunnarHj> duflu: It seems to contradict upstream's idea, which is why I'm hesitating. Not sure what kind of answer I would get if asking upstream... ;)
[08:12] <duflu> GunnarHj, I have no opinion myself. We are free to patch stuff but it's a good idea to only patch stuff that upstream HAS rejected already
[08:17] <didrocks> duflu: thibautr has some issues like login screen displaying the whale screen (which is not a whale anymore btw). Could be https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/131b21d4843931d315a4548121d7d352cfd1e3a8 or https://errors.ubuntu.com/problem/233cec69ba3579112ae60349cec6fed0d7d4d9f8 which are the top recent crashers for gdm3/gnome-shell. wdyt?
[08:17] <didrocks> (I doubt he will be able to go a tty and report the crash from there, so hoping that whoopsie reported it)
[08:19] <duflu> didrocks, look at https://errors.ubuntu.com/user/ID where ID is the content of file /var/lib/whoopsie/whoopsie-id on the machine
[08:20] <GunnarHj> duflu: Yeah, normally. But in this case they have invested quite some code to make something behave in a way which at least ibus-mozc users don't like. I see it as a "Forwarded: not needed" thing.
[08:20] <didrocks> duflu: right, but the id is install specific, correct?
[08:21] <duflu> didrocks, yes it is machine-specific. Please also ask for this run from a tty:  apport-cli -f gnome-shell
[08:21] <didrocks> so I doubt he will be able to read this (we should have an easy way from the live for average user)
[08:21] <didrocks> duflu: yeah, this is where we can’t ask that to a regular user (or I would have already done it)
[08:23] <duflu> didrocks, try giving him instructions for booting with the 'nomodeset' kernel parameter. Then we should at least get a login and be able to report bugs
[08:23] <didrocks> yeah, let’s try this
[08:23] <GunnarHj> didrocks: Do you possibly have an opinion on the Xwayland question I asked above?
[08:26] <didrocks> GunnarHj: unfortunately not. It’s been a long time I haven’t followed GNOME/Wayland and all the changes related to it
[08:26] <GunnarHj> ack.
[09:24] <rbasak> jbicha: just "Desktop Icons NG (DNG)", "Ubuntu AppIndicators" and "Ubuntu Dock". These are all default on Ubuntu I assume? I've used others in the past but they're all disabled.
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