[00:19] <najatac_> Does anyone know why python-requests is removed from ubuntu 20.04 ?
[00:19] <mwhudson> najatac_: almost all python 2 libraries were
[00:19] <mwhudson> right?
[00:19] <mwhudson> (or was that a later release?)
[00:21] <najatac_> that's weird because all these dependent libraries are there like the docs package for it and authlibs for it
[00:44] <JustALawnGnome7> Hey all, I just installed Ubuntu 21.10 on both my home laptop and desktop. Has anybody else running Ubuntu 21.10 noticed that "Show Applications" (generally referred to as the START button) isn't clickable when their cursor is positioned on the bottom left-most pixel on their screen?
[00:45] <sarnold> eww
[00:46] <Mimas> I'm interested in installing Ubuntu Touch or something similar on my Samsung Galaxy Tab S. Any links or advice is appreciated
[00:46] <Mimas> *are
[00:47] <sarnold> Mimas: there's a big list of devices on https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/
[00:48] <Mimas> sarnold, yeah, my device isn't there
[00:48] <sarnold> there's a few samsung devices, I'm not sure if any are a match
[00:48] <sarnold> aww :(
[00:49] <Bashing-om> Mimas: Maybe ubports supports the Galaxy ?
[00:50] <Bashing-om> !info touch | Mimas
[00:50] <Bashing-om> !touch | Mimas
[00:54] <Mimas> I'm the shmuck who doesn't understand why I can't use a lot more of my large microSD
[00:55] <Mimas> I'm great with PCs, but phones and tablets escape my understanding so far
[00:56] <Mimas> as in how the OS is involved with the hardware
[00:57] <sarnold> aye, phone/tablet companies seem to go out of their way to make that hard
[00:59] <Mimas> This 6/7 year old tablet has only around 200 hours of use, so the battery is decent, but the OS sucks
[01:12] <alejandro> alejandro1
[01:13] <Mimas> I'm considering my main OS... is there a "snipping tool" in Ubuntu?
[01:16] <sarnold> what's a snipping tool?
[01:17] <Mimas> it's a windows thing you can use as a screen capture image
[01:18] <Mimas> to capture something on your screen. it has different modes, like fullscreen, rectangle, free-form (who does that?)
[01:18] <sarnold> aha
[01:18] <sarnold> if you're running a desktop environment there's a good chance the print screen key on your keyboard already does this
[01:18] <sarnold> if not it probably isn't too hard to use
[01:19] <sarnold> I run i3wm so I don't have anything already hooked up :) I use xwd because it's what I've always used but it kinda sucks if I'm honest..
[01:19] <Mimas> yes, i used prt scrn... what was that key?
[01:20] <Mimas> i don't know what i3wm or xwd are
[01:20] <sarnold> then forget I mentioned them :)
[01:20] <Mimas> wm probably windows manager
[01:21] <sarnold> i3wm https://i3wm.org/screenshots/
[01:24] <jadew> hey, any idea what I need to install so windows soft raid drives get properly identified?
[01:24] <jadew> currently they show up as two separate drives
[01:27] <sarnold> jadew: this wikipage probably hasn't been touched in a decade but it might have some hints https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FakeRaidHowto
[01:27] <jadew> sarnold, thanks
[01:27] <sarnold> jadew: but if you've got something like windows storage spaces or whateer it is they're calling their newer thing it probably won't help much..
[01:28] <jadew> sarnold, no, I've had this for quite some time, it's a soft raid 1
[05:04] <mohnish> Hi, I'm planning to reinstall ubuntu on a uefi laptop with windows 7 and ubuntu 14.04 dual booting at the moment
[05:05] <mohnish> The way I think I should do it, is to backup the data on the linux partition, delete that partition, and install ubuntu 20.04 choosing the option "Install ubuntu alongside windows 7", right?
[05:11] <Mekaneck> mohnish: you know that Windows 7 isn't support anymore?
[05:12] <Mekaneck> neither is Ubuntu 14.04 by the way, hence the reinstall i guess
[05:21] <mohnish> Mekaneck: if windows 7 is not supported anymore, does that mean that the method won't work?
[05:51] <Mekaneck> mohnish: just saying that windows 7 is vulnerable and should be deleted
[05:52] <Mekaneck> if you need windows badly then at least upgrade to W 10
[06:03] <mohnish> Mekaneck:  yeah, I will
[06:03] <mohnish> Mekaneck:  but will that method of upgrading ubuntu work?
[06:03] <mohnish> that doesn't interfere with the windows partition?
[06:09] <TheBigK> whenever i do a release-upgrade i check if all my installed packages have a mirror behind it. i found out that the package libslirp0 in the impish version is considered a downgrade from the one in ubuntu hirsute
[06:09] <guiverc> mohnish, you haven't said if desktop or server install; but I'd just perform an 'upgrade via re-install'  (use existing partitions without format) if it's a desktop system; after cleaning out 3rd party sources; and any packages that will create issues for the upgrade... I'd not expect any data restoration to be required - but given it's a well-past EOL (for both) OSes you're asking about we can only offer opinions
[06:10] <guiverc> my prior comment ^ assumed desktop install (ie. system dirs being wiped won't lose desktop configs)
[06:10] <mohnish> its a desktop install, yes
[06:12] <mohnish> I'd rather have a clean install though, I was just asking if it is possible to do it the way I suggested
[06:13] <mohnish> I understand windoes 7 is EOL, but the person that the laptop belongs to does not want it to be updated
[06:15] <guiverc> I almost always opt for 'something else' & tell the installer what I want...  it's been a looong time since I've install alongside windows 7 (& never with ubiquity found in focal/20.04)
[06:19] <Jack_Ma> #
[06:20] <mohnish> guiverc:  oh, okay
[06:47]  * Jack_Ma 
[07:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> 20.12.3
[07:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> kdenlive version
[07:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> does it uses NVENC by default?
[07:56] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> it surely provides options to render by GPU, does it really do?
[08:15] <Liblx> Hello, when I enter the SD-card in my internal laptop card reader sometimes it is recognized immediately and sometimes "never". How could I check if anything is recognized by the system - maybe not showing me? Or do you have other solutions?
[08:15] <Liblx> By the wayx
[08:15] <Liblx> By the way, the SD card is readable by other devices perfectly.
[08:16] <Liblx> Thanks!
[08:20] <EriC^^> Liblx: if you type "dmesg -w" in a terminal it should come up, or "udevadm monitor"
[08:25] <Liblx> dmesg -w is running...
[08:25] <Liblx> EriC^^: is it right that it has many lines and needs time?
[08:26] <EriC^^> Liblx: when you plug in the sdcard it should show something related to it, i think udevadm would be more clear to use though
[08:27] <Liblx> EriC^^: Nothing. For both.
[08:28] <Liblx> But the same card worked the last time and it's really that sometimes it works perfect and sometimes nothing...
[08:29] <EriC^^> Liblx: anything in 'lsblk' ?
[08:30] <Liblx> It shows sr0 with 1024MB (the card has 32GB).
[08:31] <Liblx> And my other harddisks.
[08:32] <Liblx> sr0 seems to be the CD-ROM-drive...
[08:32] <Liblx> So, nothing.
[08:34] <EriC^^> hmm no idea
[08:34] <tomreyn> is the sd-card reder directly integrated into the computer, or are you attaching it through usb?
[08:34] <tomreyn> does "lsusb" list it?
[08:34] <Liblx> tomreyn: it's a slot inside
[08:35] <Liblx> no
[08:35] <tomreyn> does "lspci -nnv" list it?
[08:35] <Liblx> yes
[08:36] <tomreyn> how?
[08:36] <tomreyn> use a pastebin, please
[08:36] <Liblx> of course
[08:38] <Liblx> https://paste.noname-ev.de/9697
[08:40] <tomreyn> Liblx: and your kernel version is ?  cat /proc/version_signature
[08:41] <Liblx> Ubuntu 4.15.0-147.151-generic 4.15.18
[08:42] <tomreyn> that's a bit old, 4.15.0-159.167 would be current
[08:42] <tomreyn> i assume this is ubuntu 18.04 LTS?
[08:42] <Liblx> yes, updates needed. but I am working with this system a long time and with the same sd card it sometimes work and sometimes not.
[08:43] <Liblx> yes
[08:43] <TJ-> Liblx: this sounds like a known issue for some MMC card readers; they fail to assert the 'card present' signal
[08:43] <TJ-> Liblx: I dealt with that one relatively recently but struggling to recall for exactly what at present!
[08:43] <Liblx> TJ-: even though it's sometimes detected?
[08:43] <TJ-> Liblx: indeed
[08:43] <Liblx> oh
[08:44] <Liblx> So, an external one or a new one integrated would solve it?
[08:44] <TJ-> I deal with so many bugs across so many packages I cannot recall right now the context of the issue I'm thinking of
[08:44] <Liblx> np
[08:45] <TJ-> I'm pretty sure what I'm thinking about required a kernel patch.
[08:45] <Liblx> thanks although it is not perfect. :)
[08:45] <Liblx> ah, with an update it could work?
[08:47] <tomreyn> maybe try the HWE kernel then
[08:47] <ravage> you should consider an update to 20.04 in general
[08:47] <Liblx> tomreyn: thanks
[08:47] <Liblx> ravage: for security reasons, right?
[08:48] <ravage> and for newer packages in general
[08:48] <ravage> 18.04 is still supported. but 22.04 is already on the horizon :)
[08:48] <Liblx> :)
[08:48] <ravage> always better not to fall behind too long
[08:49] <Liblx> I'll do my best. I need the laptop every day for work. So I am a bit cautious that I'd need more than a weekend to fix changes/problems after he update.
[08:52] <Liblx> thanks to all of you!
[08:56] <TJ-> still struggling to find the original issue; all I can recall is a single-line patch was added and it was about an MMC controller and 'card detect' signal
[08:58] <IRCNoob2000> Hello. I have an error in weechat:"SASL authentication failed" I did everything by this manual - https://libera.chat/guides/weechat
[08:58] <IRCNoob2000> What might be wrong?
[08:59] <IRCNoob2000> Irssi client works
[08:59] <IRCNoob2000> but not weechat
[09:03] <ravage> IRCNoob2000: try #weechat ?
[09:10] <tomreyn> !hwe | Liblx: this is somethnig you can try without upgrading
[09:11] <tomreyn> more details, if you want them https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449
[09:12] <CoolerX> Hi
[09:13] <CoolerX> I can't start the avahi-daemon
[09:14] <tomreyn> CoolerX: hi. more details, please. command and output from starting it (on a pastebin), and info on your ubuntu version and kernel version
[09:15] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds; cat /proc/{version*,cmdline}    for the latter
[09:18] <CoolerX> is it bad to run dbus in a chroot env?
[09:18] <CoolerX> avahi-daemon talks to dbus
[09:23] <CoolerX> tomreyn, https://termbin.com/r0iv
[09:24] <CoolerX> I did a sudo strace avahi-daemon 2> logs
[09:24] <CoolerX> there's a few lines with permission denied
[09:25] <CoolerX> https://bpa.st/EDWA
[09:25] <CoolerX> those are the relevant lines
[09:27] <Liblx> thanks tomreyn!!
[09:27] <CoolerX> maybe it doesn't allow binding to UDP sockets?
[09:51] <howarthjw> Anyone know why Ubuntu left the nvidia wayland support disabled such that users need to resort to manually configuring it according to instructions such as https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/debian-ubuntu-linux-mint-nvidia-guide/2/?
[09:51] <howarthjw> Most annoying
[09:53] <howarthjw> They could have at least gone the https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2021/debian-ubuntu-linux-mint-nvidia-guide/2/ route of creating a /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf
[09:55] <howarthjw> With 'echo "options nvidia_drm modeset=1" >> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf'
[10:05] <antaresgades> Hello. We're having a baffling issue here. We've installed Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on a HP Probook G650G8 and the Ethernet adapter doesn't work well (very slow connection, about some Kb or so) until we plug a USB 3 storage key. Then it works as expected. any clue on it?
[10:06] <antaresgades> we haven't bee able to find any meanignful info on it, maybe we are looking with not appropiate search terms... any hint on this would be (of course) greatly appreciated.
[10:06] <howarthjw> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230525/ubuntu-20-04-network-performance-extremely-slow
[10:06] <howarthjw> sudo nano /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/default-wifi-powersave-on.conf
[10:06] <howarthjw> Then changed the value from 3 to 2, saved changes and rebooted.
[10:06] <howarthjw> the powersaving feature can cause havoc with network speeds on wifi
[10:11] <antaresgades> The problem is not about wifi but with the cable ethernet adapter. However, I'll take a look on this
[10:13] <chilversc> antaresgades: I had a sound card in the past that would clog up the bus shuffling 0s backwards and forwards for no good reason. See if the storage key causes issues in another machine, or if other USB devices on the same port cause an issue.
[10:24] <iomari891> greetings, where can I get checksums for kubuntu 21.10?
[10:30] <summonner> usually within the ftp folder
[10:31] <mgedmin> there's a SHA256SUMS file next to the .iso images, and a detached .gpg signature to verify the SHA256SUMS
[10:36] <sam2> hello
[10:41] <seanh> Is the gnome-session package (vanilla GNOME) broken in 21.10? For example the fonts are wrong (no Cantarell) and the folder icons in Nautilus are broken
[10:44] <tomreyn> antaresgades: i'd look for a bios upgrade
[10:45] <lotuspsychje> seanh: did you try that on xorg or wayland?
[10:45] <seanh> lotuspsychje: wayland
[10:46] <antaresgades> Thank you for yor answers, I'll try to test them all and see
[10:46] <lotuspsychje> seanh: perhaps try compare with the xorg too
[10:46] <seanh> lotuspsychje: I'll give it a try now
[10:47] <latino> que pasa gente
[10:47] <seanh> lotuspsychje: Same problem with the "GNOME on Xorg" session. The gnome-session package hasn't installed vanilla GNOME properly, fonts and icons are missing
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !es | latino
[10:48] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-session
[10:49] <tomreyn> antaresgades: https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06954418#AbT5 states that the HP Probook G650 G8 *series* include an Intel 10/100/1000 GbE NIC. most of the time, intel nic's work fine out of the box. but HP often has overly complex firmware, which can cause incompatibilities. you can get details on the model and bios using   journalctl -b | grep DMI:   and on the ethernet chipset using   lspci -knn | grep -EA3 'Ethernet controller'. use a
[10:49] <tomreyn> pastebin if you'll share multiple lines of output.
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> seanh: this is what apt wants to 'pull' on installing; adwaita-icon-theme-full fonts-cantarell gnome-session (on 20.04)
[10:49] <seanh> Hmm, there's a package called vanilla-gnome-desktop, is that what I need?
[10:50] <seanh> lotuspsychje: on 21.10 gnome-session no longer pulls fonts-cantarell for example
[10:50] <lotuspsychje> weird
[10:51] <tomreyn> antaresgades: latest bios https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/swdetails/hp-probook-650-g8-notebook-pc/37934587/swItemId/ob-277883-1
[10:53] <seanh> lotuspsychje: You can see it here. On Focal gnome-session depended on Cantarell and various other packages: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/gnome-session On Impish it no longer does: https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/gnome-session
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> thats gnome classic you want right seanh ?
[10:54] <seanh> No gnome classic is something else. I want normal Gnome just without Ubuntu's modifications (like Ubuntu's font and dock etc)
[10:54] <lotuspsychje> ah right
[10:57] <lotuspsychje> seanh: vanilla gnome seems to pull a lot more packages, so that might be what you need perhaps
[10:57] <seanh> I've got a feeling that the vanilla-gnome-desktop package might be the answer. Every result on Google says to just install gnome-session to get vanilla Gnome on Ubuntu (and indeed this used to work before 21.10)
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> seanh: you seem to be right, it used to be gnome-session https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-gnome-on-ubuntu-20-04-lts-focal-fossa
[11:05] <seanh> lotuspsychje: It's a shame there doesn't appear to be any official docs for the Right Way to do this
[11:05] <lotuspsychje> usualy the linuxconfig tuts are pretty clean and trusty
[11:05] <new_user> hello, i am not good ubuntu. I need snap store, but does not work. I see this https://ibb.co/hfy0vMW
[11:07] <new_user> how can i fix it ? worked yesterday
[11:08] <new_user> i have ubuntu 20.04. This global problem ? I can fix it, reinstal ubuntu, or install windows
[11:08] <new_user> but i want to fix it
[11:09] <seanh> Looks like installing the vanilla-gnome-desktop package is broken: update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for gdm3-theme.gresource
[11:11] <seanh> Yeah I don't think vanilla-gnome-desktop is what you want to install. It installs a second copy of Firefox as well! (The non-snap version, I'm guessing)
[11:12] <donofrio> what is the text only way to upgrade from one verison to another (18.04 to 20.04?)
[11:12] <seanh> It does get the fonts and icons right though, and the desktop wallpaper
[11:15] <seanh> I dunno, maybe vanilla-gnome-desktop is the right thing to do 🤷 It installs a bunch of apps too, like Evolution
[11:15] <pa> hi folks
[11:15] <pa> i have a problem with virtualbox
[11:16] <pa> after latest dist upgrade of 20.04, it seems that /sbin/vboxconfig  fails with compile error against linux 5.11
[11:16] <pa> is this anything known?
[11:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey dudes
[11:18] <donofrio> so wait I thought 18.04 was LTS so I do-release-upgrade and it says there is no development version of LTS and that I can upgrade to a non-LTS version but I'm lost so 20.04 is not LTS?
[11:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> does ubuntu 21.04 comes with Kdenlive that has NVENC enabled by default or not?
[11:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I used shotcut for some time, but kdenlive comes with better workflow
[11:21] <nyuszika7h> why does `sudo do-release-upgrade -d` say 21.10 is still in development?
[11:21] <donofrio> how do I go from 18.04 LTS to 21.04?
[11:22] <nyuszika7h> donofrio: `sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade` should work
[11:22] <nyuszika7h> if not, maybe try changing your sources.list entries to focal manually?
[11:23] <nyuszika7h> and then do the first two commands
[11:23] <nyuszika7h> it's recommended to disable any third party repos though
[11:23] <nyuszika7h> can re-enable them after a successful upgrade
[11:23] <donofrio> I have no third party repos
[11:23] <nyuszika7h> oh ok, just making sure
[11:24] <Guest95> Kindly help me install TEP 220 Thermal Printer and Bar Code Reader on Ubuntu 20.04 please
[11:25] <nyuszika7h> update: I did `sudo do-release-upgrade` without -d and this time it offered 21.10 without saying it's in development
[11:25] <Guest95> Kindly assist on this: Kindly help me install TEP 220 Thermal Printer and Bar Code Reader on Ubuntu 20.04 please
[11:26] <nyuszika7h> stop spamming your question, if someone knows the answer they'll tell you
[11:26] <Guest95> ok thank wating
[11:27] <donofrio> nyuszika7h, I only get this - https://dpaste.org/pV8u
[11:30] <nyuszika7h> hmm, that's strange, I don't have an LTS system to test it on right now
[11:33] <donofrio> well if anyone else knows - I lurk always, need 21.04 for emacs/doom use
[11:41] <gebbione> hi folks, i am running `&& apt-get install -y ssh git zip locales && locale-gen de_DE.UTF-8 && update-locale` but when i do locale -a i dont see the de_DE locale. What am I missing?
[11:47] <daft> Hi I upgraded my system to 21.10 and i dont have WIFI as promised in a beta live iso. How can i file a bug
[11:48] <daft> i have bluetooth which is on the same chip
[11:48] <mgedmin> gebbione: according to the man page, locale-gen doesn't take command line arguments, it builds all the locales defined in /etc/locale.gen and /var/lib/locales/supported.d/*
[11:48] <ravage> gebbione: locale-gen does not accept any arguments. you have to define the locales to be built via "sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales"
[11:49] <gebbione> installing locales-all slots them all in
[11:49] <gebbione> lets see if my tests work now
[11:52] <mgedmin> I have vague memories of running locale-gen with the locale name on the command line a bunch of Ubuntu versions ago, and it used to work then
[11:52] <swensson> Yep, same here^
[11:54] <mgedmin> hmm, /usr/sbin/locale-gen is a shell script that does handle command-line arguments, in interesting ways
[11:54] <mgedmin> e.g. `locale-gen lt` would find /var/lib/locales/supported.d/lt and take the `lt_LT.UTF-8 UTF-8` row from it
[11:54] <mgedmin> but on my system there's no /var/lib/locales/supported.d/en
[11:55] <mgedmin> sorry, /de; there is a /en
[11:55] <mgedmin> and I see locale-gen also tries to look things up in /usr/share/i18n/SUPPORTED
[12:04] <daft> here a scan of my wifi failing https://linux-hardware.org/?probe=8c2ed0d838
[12:07] <CoolerX> tomreyn, I figured out the issue
[12:08] <CoolerX> I compiled and ran https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/udp-server-client-implementation-c/
[12:08] <CoolerX> I can run that as myself (sudo group)
[12:08] <CoolerX> but if I try to run as the user avahi (using runuser) then I get permission denied
[12:08] <CoolerX> socket creation failed: permission denied
[12:10] <donofrio> how does this do-release-upgrade process work?  from 18.04 to 18.10 to 19.04 to 19.10 to 20.04 to 20.10 to 21.04?
[12:10] <swensson> From 18.04 to 21.04
[12:11] <donofrio> swensson, I tried and I only get https://dpaste.org/pV8u ;(
[12:13] <swensson> Ahh LTS, you have to inactivate that before jumping to 21.04, I think there isn't any 21.04 LTS yet. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.
[12:14] <ogra> donofrio, your options are 18.04 -> 20.04 -> 20.10 -> 21.04, or the way you mentioned first ... directly from 18.04 -> 21.04 is not possible and would likely break ....
[12:15] <swensson> I did jump from 18.04 to 21.04, everything seems to work. I also jumped from 20.04 to 21.04 w/o issues.
[12:15] <donofrio> ogra, ah ok....
[12:16] <donofrio> wait there is no 21.04 (normally they go by year.month so 2021 March already went by?)
[12:16] <daft> I think i found the module but its failing
[12:16] <daft> root@Blue-Mage:~# modprobe mt76
[12:16] <daft> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'mt76': Invalid argument
[12:17] <daft> [  922.251840] mt76: disagrees about version of symbol ieee80211_sta_register_airtime
[12:17] <ogra> there are transitions, configuration handling and whatnot between upgrades that are only tested and managed on a release-to-release basis (and on an LTS-to-LTS basis) ... if oyu skip a step nobody can guarantee anything and you likely are left wth old or broken configs
[12:17] <donofrio> ogra, I'm not trying to skip anything fwiw
[12:20] <donofrio> Now when I try to upgrade I'm getting aborted? - https://dpaste.org/vOB9
[12:22] <ogra> donofrio, looks like a network issue to me (already with the apt update call)
[12:24] <webchat24> hello
[12:29] <webchat10> i need help
[12:34] <donofrio> what do I do to populate the --data-dir for do-release-upgrade?
[12:35] <mgedmin> donofrio: fix your network first
[12:36] <mgedmin> maybe consider using a country mirror instead of the main archive.ubuntu.com?
[12:36] <mgedmin> but security.ubuntu.com should be accessible in any case, so figure out why it's not
[12:37] <donofrio> mgedmin, so --data-dir is not for offline/local repo?
[12:38] <donofrio> because network is working like it should be
[12:42] <mgedmin> if the network is working, why is apt reporting "Error connecting: Could not connect: Connection refused"
[12:42] <mgedmin> do you have a proxy configured or something?
[12:49] <donofrio> mgedmin, nope no proxy
[12:55] <TJ-> donofrio: try connecting manually see what headers are returned. " wget -S -O /dev/null http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/
[12:56] <ioria> donofrio, the man page does not mention that feature; are you sure it's still a thing ?
[12:58] <donofrio> ioria, do-release-upgrade --help shows it
[12:58] <ioria> yeah, i saw it
[13:00] <donofrio> TJ-, that worked https:dpaste.org/nJCt
[13:03] <TJ-> donofrio: so, maybe a local apt cache is set?
[13:07] <donofrio> TJ-, hu?
[13:08] <TJ-> donofrio: something in the apt config may have set a cache, which is not available, which would explain the connection refused message
[13:08] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:08] <TJ-> donofrio: possibly you'll find it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[13:10] <TJ-> donofrio: I'd have said maybe squid-deb-proxy-client but that uses mDNS and if it doesn't get a response falls back to direct (unless there is a squid-deb-proxy advertising on the network but the service/port is dead/blocked
[13:18] <coz_> good morning
[13:47] <CoolerX> Hi
[13:48] <CoolerX> I am not able to print a test page on my printer
[13:48] <CoolerX> I am using hp-testpage -i
[13:50] <Guest2068> how can i prevent a particular log file from growing too large?
[13:50] <leftyfb> Guest2068: which log file?
[13:51] <Guest2068> daemon.log
[13:51] <leftyfb> Guest2068: what version of ubuntu?
[13:52] <jackneill> hi
[13:52] <jackneill> i have a question regarding upgrade to 21.10. it says it will remove firefix and cinnamon-desktop-environment why? in the new repos they are named different packages?
[13:53] <jackneill> or non-existent and simple cuts the dfifferent?
[13:53] <leftyfb> Guest2068: I'm pretty sure daemon.log isn't a thing any longer. Not in any supported version of ubuntu anyway
[13:54] <Guest2068> leftyfb: hmm not sure, it's a server i inherited from a previous developer
[13:54] <Guest2068> oh ok
[13:54] <Guest2068> one sec
[13:54] <tyler-183[m]> Hello,... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/79af560f14c7a9b18cc56d5caaf0f8be446910e7)
[13:54] <leftyfb> Guest2068: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[13:54] <Guest2068> leaftype: ah its apparently debian 4.9, thought it was an ubuntu server
[13:54] <leftyfb> jackneill: you should be able to reinstall those after the upgrade. You shouldn't lose any configurations
[13:55] <leftyfb> Guest2068: regardless, a quick answer might be logrotate
[13:56] <Guest2068> leftyfb: can i just create a cron job that delets this file every week?
[13:56] <leftyfb> Guest2068: look into logrotate. Other than that, go to #debian for support
[13:57] <leftyfb> tyler-183[m]: download the source for the dnsmasq package and use the info from that source to customize the source you have. This is an unsupported thing to do though
[13:58] <leftyfb> tyler-183[m]: there is a packaged snap for dnsmasq that is versiob 2.80. Not sure if that does what you need without messing with source code
[13:59] <tyler-183[m]> leftyfb: I was able to build the dnsmasq with regex support. But I would like the extra stuff that comes when you install it with apt (systemd setup, start/stop scripts, etc.) how do I reproduce that with the custom dnsmasq?
[13:59] <leftyfb> tyler-183[m]: I already answered that
[14:00] <tyler-183[m]> ok I'll check the source then
[14:24] <Guest21> hello
[14:25] <Guest21> Is there any way to change the settings for the dock on the left, I want the windows in alphabetical order - it is currently in order of most recently accessed
[14:49] <markwdev> Is there a way in Ubuntu to set some default environment variables for a given user?
[14:50] <diophantoz> hi, i installed a deb package with dpkg -i
[14:50] <leftyfb> diophantoz: don't
[14:50] <leftyfb> markwdev: yes
[14:50] <mgedmin> markwdev: put 'export VAR=value' in ~/.profile
[14:50] <diophantoz> i can find it with dpkg --list
[14:51] <diophantoz> but i can't run it by its name
[14:51] <leftyfb> diophantoz: what package?
[14:51] <diophantoz> jd-gui
[14:51] <leftyfb> diophantoz: you'll have to contact the developer of the package for support
[14:52] <diophantoz> well at this point i just want to uninstall it
[14:52] <diophantoz> is that possible?
[14:52] <leftyfb> diophantoz: sudo apt remove --purge jd-gui
[14:53] <markwdev> mgedmin, this is an account used to run a service. Setting the environment variable file in the service unit doesn't seem to work, making me think the service is just starting fresh processes for all the work it does, and losing the variables.
[14:54] <tomreyn> diophantoz: note that a given package <packagename> doesn't necessarily provide a command <packagename>, and that the .deb file it is packaged into doesn't have to be called <packagename>.deb
[14:55] <mgedmin> markwdev: you can specify environment vars in the systemd unit
[14:56] <mgedmin> otherwise right, services don't load env vars from ~/.profile
[14:56] <mgedmin> I suspect system services also ignore /etc/environment as well
[14:57] <mgedmin> (unless the individual service uses EnvironmentFile=/etc/environment explicitly)
[15:00] <bancroft> how can I check the VRAM temperature using the CLi?
[15:01] <markwdev> leftyfb, was your idea different than setting them in .profile?
[15:01] <coz_> bancroft, generally what I do is install xsensors
[15:01] <bancroft> coz_: is that on aptitude or snap?
[15:02] <coz_> bancroft, should be apt  but not sure how well it works on gnome
[15:02] <coz_> bancroft, I always use MATE
[15:03] <bancroft> coz_: I only see coretemp and acpitz, is that normal?
[15:03] <tomreyn> bancroft: xsebsors would be a graphical frontend to lm-sensors. you can also just install that, and run sensors-detect
[15:03] <leftyfb> markwdev: as mentioned, you set envars as part of the service unit
[15:03] <coz_> ^^^^ bancroft
[15:04] <coz_> bancroft, yes I skipped what tomreyn mentioned
[15:04] <markwdev> leftyfb, we are doing that, but it's not working for some reason. The only thing i can figure is that Nagios is spawning fresh processes for the checks that have their own environment.
[15:05] <tomreyn> bancroft: lm-sensors is a debian package, available from via apt.
[15:06] <tomreyn> i don't know whether you can actually check DIMM temperature with it, though. you'll see.
[15:07] <bancroft> tomreyn: I installed it with apt, can I use cli to watch? I don't need a GUI
[15:07] <tomreyn> you run "sensors"
[15:08] <tomreyn> "watch sensors" to run it repeatedly
[15:08] <genii> tomreyn: Does it do a post-install of sensors-detect automatically?
[15:09] <tomreyn> genii: i don't think so, but i could be wrong.
[15:09] <mgedmin> I'm pretty sure it doesn't
[15:09] <bancroft> oh-kay, so its installed, I've restarted kmod like it asked, and when I try to run sensors I still get the same as before ?
[15:10] <mgedmin> a decade or two ago there were some thinkpad models where running sensors-detect could brick the hardware, so there are scary warnings and confirmations
[15:10] <genii> bancroft: You should probably run sudo sensors-detect and then try again after
[15:11] <tomreyn> sudo sensors-detect --auto      is usually fine
[15:12] <tomreyn> bancroft: what's the data you're trying to get?
[15:14] <bancroft> tomreyn: vram temp, I can see core temp in nvidia-smi now at least but what about my firewire card (don't ask, audio interface, can't be helped)
[15:15] <tomreyn> bancroft: are you saying you are trying to get temperature readings for a firewire PCI card?
[15:18] <bancroft> tomreyn: all my PCIe cards really
[15:18] <bancroft> cant see anything for the FW card, and there's no VRAM temp in nvidia-smi so i'm stumpped
[15:18] <solsTiCe> hi. Using virt-manager/qemu+kvm, when I choose 1920x1080 as screen size in ubuntu guest, and then mximize full screen on my 1920x1080 screen, I notice that the VM screen is blurred. I had to deactivate scaling because in fact, the VM screen is bigger than 1080 by 10ish pixels in fact
[15:18] <solsTiCe> with ubuntu 21.10 as guest
[15:19] <tomreyn> bancroft: do these actually have such sensors on their boards?
[15:20] <tomreyn> but even if so, you'd still need to ensure that there is documentation on how to query those, as well as someone implementing the code to do so.
[15:20] <solsTiCe> and guess what ? this only happens with ubuntu 21.10. was fine with 21.04 or any other os in fact
[15:33] <lapion> If firefox is installed as a non-snap it is not added to the menu
[15:35] <lapion> Nevermind I had to re-login
[15:38] <mgedmin> I love how do-release-upgrade helpfully computes download times assuming 1Mbit DSL or a 56k modem ("3 days 11 hours")
[15:40] <lapion> Is there a command to replace all snaps with .deb counterparts ?
[15:41] <mgedmin> no; the set of snaps doesn't map cleanly to the set of debs
[15:41] <tomreyn> there are other linux distros
[15:41] <ogra> tomreyn, really ?!?!
[15:41]  * ogra googles
[15:41] <ogra> 😛
[15:42] <zfigz> 👋
[15:42] <zfigz> anyone know if guids are preserved when restoring a partition or is that only when you restore from a disk ?
[15:42] <zfigz> i'm restoring partitions with clonezilla and was curious if the guids are preserved…i know they are when cloning a disk
[15:42] <tomreyn> ogra: :) i meant to point out that it's a design choice.
[15:43] <ogra> yeah, i was just joking 🙂
[15:43] <tomreyn> :)
[15:44] <tomreyn> zfigz: partition guids are stored in the partition table, file system uuids are stored on the file system
[15:45] <tomreyn> zfigz: please do not cross post
[15:45] <zfigz> ah, okay cool. i think it's the uuids that i care about to retain crypttab / resume etc
[15:46] <mgedmin> those are filesystem uuids
[15:46] <leftyfb> zfigz: which version of ubuntu are you running on the OS you're cloning?
[15:46] <zfigz> i usually choose -k for clonezilla to not create a partition table
[15:47] <zfigz> 21.04
[15:47] <zfigz> it's actually pop!_os
[15:47] <zfigz> but yah
[15:47] <leftyfb> !popos | zfigz
[15:47] <zfigz> i ran the beta and then tried to restore using timeshift and i totally borked stuff
[15:47] <leftyfb> zfigz: PopOS != Ubuntu. Please seek support from PopOS
[15:48] <zfigz> for sure, but i think my question wasn't/isn't specific to pop
[15:48] <zfigz> it was a general question really
[15:48] <tomreyn> this is not #general, though
[15:48] <leftyfb> zfigz: Please seek support from PopOS
[15:48] <zfigz> no worries, no more questions :o)
[15:48] <leftyfb> zfigz: or continue in #linux
[15:48] <zfigz> will do, thanks again
[15:54] <bancroft> tomreyn: yes I believe they all do I mean my 3060ti should at least?
[15:55] <svm_invictvs> So
[15:55] <svm_invictvs> Grub hangs on me if I press a key on the boot menu.
[15:56] <svm_invictvs> I've seen a lot of solutions to this, most of which haven't worked such as fiddling with the USB settings in the BIOS and switching to a different port. I tried both the 2.0 and the 3.0 ports on my machine. It still happens.
[15:57] <svm_invictvs> Also, is there even a need for letting grub dual boot these days? It's easy enough for me to just use the UEFI boot menu on my machine.
[15:59] <mgedmin> I don't think there's need, it's just simpler to use grub everywhere
[16:02] <tomreyn> bancroft: i really would not not. i'm not into nvidia graphics hardware due to the state of how their drivers integrate with the linux kernel.
[16:03] <tomreyn> s/not not/not know/
[16:05] <dust> at upgrade... impish is not responding... what does that mean?
[16:08] <mgedmin> hey how come postgresql-clienr-13 in impish has a lower version number than the one in whatever-the-codename-21.04-had?
[16:13] <bancroft> yeah, I hate the nvidia blob too but they're great cards. Queue Linus Torvals response to Nvidia. I just don't want to run windows though :/
[16:14] <matsaman> svm_invictvs: GRUB is hardware agnostic
[16:15] <matsaman> (and also not awful nonsense as UEFI is)
[16:16] <svm_invictvs> matsaman, Well. Shit on UEFI all you want. It works for me and GRUB doesn't.
[16:17] <matsaman> that's fine, but UEFI was preinstalled
[16:17] <matsaman> so it's a tough comparison
[16:18] <matsaman> FWIW I have heard a number of people who take your approach
[16:20] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: GRUB isn't about dual-boot, the main benefit is the Advanced/recovery entries
[16:20] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: what kind of connection does the keyboard use? USBHID, PS/2 i8042, serial?
[16:20] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Well. I've been using it for dual boot for like 20 years.
[16:21] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, That's a good question. let me look
[16:21] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Yeah, I know it's useful for lots of things (eg troubleshooting kernel stuff and lots of other things. It also makes dual booting hella convenient.)
[16:22] <zfigz> Psi-Jack: what do you usually do when it comes to restoring using borg?
[16:22] <zfigz> do you boot with a usb drive and then run it ?
[16:23] <ogra> lilo is the only true linux bootloader anyway ... grub ... UEFI ... newfangled stuff .... pfft
[16:23] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: dual-boot entries come courtesy of os-prober though, so not strictly due to GRUB - GRUB just provides a programmable menu system (being pedantic) :D
[16:23] <zfigz> i've used it to restore a handful of files, but never a full system restore.
[16:23] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Yeah. ... I'm still looking up the keyboard I have
[16:24] <TJ-> zfigz: wrong channel by any chance? I think you were originally in #linux talking to Psi-Jack
[16:24] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: if you can share the kernel log we can get a good idea. "journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999"
[16:24] <svm_invictvs> I'm also an idiot. I'm trying to look up my amazon history for the model # when I could just look at dmesg
[16:25] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: it's not the keyboard itself we want to know, it's how the PC interfaces to it, so kernel log is the thing
[16:25] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Yeah, but I was going to look up the model # and then look up the manual to it.
[16:25] <svm_invictvs> input,hiddev0,hidraw1: USB HID v1.11 Keyboard [Microsoft Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard]
[16:25] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: share the kernel log; that may give a clue as to why GRUB would have a problem
[16:28] <svm_invictvs> https://termbin.com/vloq
[16:29] <zfigz> ooooops
[16:29] <tomreyn> mgedmin: postgresql-client-13 on hirsute-updates: 13.4-0ubuntu0.21.04.1, on impish: 13.4-1
[16:29] <zfigz> TJ-: sorry about that
[16:32] <mgedmin> hmm my country mirror has postgresql-client-13 13.3-1build1
[16:32] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: working through your log. As I go, I see some issues you might need to investigate. Eg. "0000:04:00.0: devices behind bridge are unusable because [bus 05-24] cannot be assigned for them"
[16:33] <mgedmin> (lt.archive.ubuntu.com)
[16:33] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: "0000:04:00.0: devices behind bridge are unusable because [bus 05-24] cannot be assigned for them"
[16:34] <tomreyn> mgedmin: -security has the same version as -updates, and since you should be pulling -security from security.ubuntu.com directly, something must be off on your end
[16:34] <svm_invictvs> Yeah, I'm reading about what that means TJ-
[16:34] <svm_invictvs> Seems to be something to do with PCIe?
[16:35] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: these being PCI(e) errors, and the USB controller(s) being PCIe, there is a possibility these are related
[16:35] <svm_invictvs> This kinda makes sense because I switched from all SATA drives to a PCIe HDDs
[16:35] <tomreyn> mgedmin: this mirror looks out of sync http://lt.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/project/trace/?C=M;O=D
[16:36] <mgedmin> iirc there are four lt mirrors behind round-robin DNS, and I've found at least two of them being variously out of date in the past
[16:37] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: "usb usb4: We don't know the algorithms for LPM for this host, disabling LPM"
[16:40] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: the most obvious thing I can see is all the USB controllers look to be XHCI (USB3.x) but GRUB only has a EHCI (USB2.x) driver. Despite XHCI controllers supposed to be backwards compatible, in practice we do see a lot of issues with USB2/1.1 devices on USB3 controllers/hubs
[16:41] <tomreyn> mgedmin: lt.archive.ubuntu.com currently points to ftp.litnet.li, which is supposedly up to date according to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.litnet.lt-archive  (maybe my guessting based on the trace directory contents was incorrect - better check the package archive list)
[16:42] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Yeah, which is why I tried plugging the keyboard into the 2.x port and it still did that.
[16:43] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, I heard people saying you can fix this by forcing some USB modes in the BIOS but I can't find that anywhere.
[16:43] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: the main thing I see though is the current system firmware is many versions out of date. it is v1.20 dated Aug 2019 but latest is v3.2 dated Aug 2021 https://asrock.com/MB/AMD/X570%20Phantom%20Gaming-ITXTB3/index.asp#BIOS
[16:43] <svm_invictvs> And at this point I'm willing to say it's a minor inconvenience to enter the boot menu to get into Windows.
[16:43] <svm_invictvs> TJ-, Yeah. I haven't ever updated the firmware.
[16:43] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: "DMI: To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be Filled By O.E.M./X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3, BIOS P1.20 08/08/2019"
[16:44] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: it's one of the things that really needs to be done especially when there are pre-OS issues
[16:44] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[16:44] <svm_invictvs> I just rebuilt this machine, haha
[16:44] <svm_invictvs> I should give the software some love
[16:45] <svm_invictvs> I was playing Valheim and streaming. CPU got 96C and the overtemp protection kicked in.
[16:45] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: reading the firmware changelogs I suspect the latest firmware may well solve the issue
[16:45] <svm_invictvs> New case. New cooler. New fans. New HDDs.
[16:46] <svm_invictvs> Updating firmware makes me nervous because I've bricked a device in my day.
[16:46] <svm_invictvs> It's also no longer 2004 where the process was more sketchy. Now we have things like recovery and backups.
[16:47] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: pretty straight-forward: https://asrock.com/support/BIOSIG.asp?cat=BIOS10
[16:48] <svm_invictvs> Internet Flash
[16:48] <svm_invictvs> What is this sorcery?
[16:48] <mgedmin> lt.releases.ubuntu.com is also an alias for ftp.litnet.lt, but it doesn't have any 21.10 iso images yet
[16:49] <tomreyn> svm_invictvs: some call it a uefi feature, others a remote code execution vulnerability. it should be disabled in newer asrock bios releases
[16:49] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: the benefits of UEFI
[16:50] <TJ-> svm_invictvs: UEFI has a standard driver model like an OS
[16:50] <svm_invictvs> Yeah
[16:50] <svm_invictvs> tomreyn, I'm not here to weigh in on UEFI tbh
[16:50] <dust> Could not install '/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-D9Ar4D/315-hplip_3.21.6+dfsg0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'
[16:50] <dust> The upgrade will continue but the '/tmp/apt-dpkg-install-D9Ar4D/315-hplip_3.21.6+dfsg0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb' package may not be in a working state. Please consider submitting a bug report about it.
[16:50] <dust> unable to stat './usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/cupsext.cpython-39-x86_64-linux-gnu.so' (which was about to be installed): Bad message
[16:51] <dust> Could not install the upgrades
[16:51] <dust> The upgrade has aborted. Your system could be in an unusable state. A recovery will run now (dpkg --configure -a).
[16:51] <tomreyn> mgedmin: if you suspect mirror problems, #ubuntu-mirrors would be the right place
[16:51] <tomreyn> !paste | dust
[16:52] <tomreyn> dust ^, and if you have an ubuntu support question, feel free to ask it
[16:52] <dust> tomreyn, no question... just some information...
[16:54] <tomreyn> dust: that's kind, but this is really just a support, not a development feedback channel, so this will just go to the irc void. report a bug if you think there's a problem with a supported ubuntu package on a supported ubuntu release (those are listed in /topic)
[16:55] <dust> it happened at the upgrade...
[16:57] <jailbreak> since when did 21.10 get released?!
[16:59] <leftyfb> jailbreak: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-21-10-has-landed   # first result on google for "ubuntu 21.10"
[17:00] <jailbreak> damn
[17:01] <jailbreak> thanks!
[17:01] <jailbreak> I shall leave as I don't need support :-) thanks leftyfb
[17:03] <MurphHerder> I have an upgrade question:  I'm running 21.04 - initially, I installed the server version, then added the desktop packages.  Am I correct in thinking that upgrading through the desktop software update UI will handle upgrading everything (both desktop and server related packages) smoothly?
[17:09] <krytarik> MurphHerder: Yeah.
[17:21] <TryingToDualBoot> Hey all. I just tried to install LTS alongside windows. Now my laptop fails to boot into either windows or linux, the HP bios tries to do an automatic repair and fails. I'm currently booted into the live environemt on the laptop in question and can troubleshoot with gparted etc
[17:21] <TryingToDualBoot> can anyone help me with this?
[17:26] <webchat55> Hi
[17:28] <yeirr> TryingToDualBoot: you should try to boot into grub menu during boot sequence
[17:28] <TryingToDualBoot> How can I do that?
[17:29] <yeirr> search how to access grub menu for your machine
[17:29] <yeirr> its different for different brands of laptop
[17:29] <leftyfb> yeirr: accessing GRUB has nothing to do with different hardware
[17:30] <ravage> the brand really is irrelevant. and if the laptop boots windows directly there is no grub involved really
[17:30] <ravage> the only difference in accessing grub may be bios or uefi mode
[17:30] <ravage> hitting ESC or shift. i think the bot has a trigger for that
[17:31] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, can't you start one of them (win or ubu) from the uefi  menu ?
[17:31] <leftyfb> TryingToDualBoot: did you disable secureboot before installing ubuntu?
[17:31] <TryingToDualBoot> I did not disable secureboot, I only disabled it afterwords
[17:32] <TryingToDualBoot> Im not able to boot into either operating system but I am able to boot into my liveUSB
[17:33] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, and what does it mean 'the HP bios tries to do an automatic repair' ?
[17:34] <TryingToDualBoot> It looks like a windows screen where it tries to fix your computer and gives advanced options like opening a command prompt tetc
[17:35] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, don't you have a uefi menu with the two Oss ?
[17:35] <TryingToDualBoot> Im not able to get to a UEFI menu
[17:35] <TryingToDualBoot> I can get to the BIOS and then I can get to this automatic repair thing
[17:35] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, are you booted off the live media atm ?
[17:35] <TryingToDualBoot> yeah
[17:36] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  sudo parted -l | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:36] <yeirr> TryingToDualBoot: did you create an extra partition for your dual boot?
[17:39] <TryingToDualBoot> http://termbin.com/64mq
[17:39] <TryingToDualBoot> yeah I installed ubuntu alongside windows using all the default prompts
[17:40] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  ubuntu should be on nvme0n1 part 5 ?
[17:40] <TryingToDualBoot> i never see the grub boot menu so maybe the issue is that the windows is not passing control to grub?
[17:40] <TryingToDualBoot> Yes ubuntu is on part 5 which is where grub is
[17:41] <tomreyn> grub will be on partition 1
[17:41] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  mount that on /mnt
[17:41] <leftyfb> TryingToDualBoot: windows will never "pass control" to GRUB or any other boot loader. Ubuntu needs to be installed last so that GRUB can be installed properly and be the defacto boot loader which should give you the option of booting to Ubuntu or Windows
[17:42] <TryingToDualBoot> ok I will mount ubuntu
[17:42] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p5  /mnt
[17:43] <TryingToDualBoot> k its mounted
[17:43] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  wait... first   : mount | grep efivarfs | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:44] <mgedmin> wow the lt mirror is way outdated, "(development branch)" in /etc/os-release levels of outdated, 1412 packages need to be upgraded after switching to a different mirror levels of outdated
[17:45] <TryingToDualBoot> http://termbin.com/8skjb
[17:45] <tomreyn> mgedmin: #ubuntu-mirrors please
[17:46] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, ok;   sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1   /mnt/boot/efi
[17:46] <TryingToDualBoot> ok done
[17:47] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[17:48] <TryingToDualBoot> ok I had to make all those directorys in /mnt but they are all mounted now
[17:49] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, sudo chroot /mnt
[17:50] <tomreyn> "I had to make all those directorys in /mnt" sounds like root file system was not mounted to /mnt
[17:50] <TryingToDualBoot> oh I messed it up
[17:50] <TryingToDualBoot> i founded the file system to /mnt/part5
[17:50] <TryingToDualBoot> *mounted
[17:50] <TryingToDualBoot> let me fix it
[17:51] <TJ-> ioria: generally best not to bind-mount /run/ since that can cause the host problems; better to "mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /$target/run"
[17:51] <ioria> TJ-, i see
[17:52] <TryingToDualBoot> its not letting me umount /mnt/proc or /mnt/dev because they are busy
[17:53] <TryingToDualBoot> is it easier if I just restart the live environment?
[17:53] <TJ-> TryingToDualBoot:  "mount --make-private /mnt/proc; mount --make-private /mnt/dev; umount /mnt/proc; umount /mnt/dev"
[17:54] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, fuser -m /mnt/proc
[17:54] <alkisg> TJ-, how do you handle /etc/resolv.conf then, which points to run?
[17:54] <TJ-> TryingToDualBoot: the problem is/was binding a directory mount with a default 'shared', when you try to "umount /mnt/proc" it'll also want to "umount /proc" !
[17:54] <TryingToDualBoot> oh.....
[17:54] <TryingToDualBoot> now I am very lost
[17:54] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, fuser -m /mnt/proc
[17:55] <TJ-> alkisg: I populate the entries that may be required
[17:55] <alkisg> (I mean, chroot /mnt apt update wouldn't work then)
[17:55] <TJ-> alkisg: the key problem is the *.pid files getting replaced (host versions replaced by services triggered in the chroot)
[17:55] <TryingToDualBoot> proc is unmounted buy still cant get dev to unmount
[17:56] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot, fuser -m /mnt/dev
[17:56] <TJ-> TryingToDualBoot: "mount --make-private /mnt/dev/pts; umount /mnt/dev/pts"
[17:56] <alkisg> 👍️
[17:57] <TJ-> I've stopped doing bind mounts now in favour of straight mounts
[17:57] <TryingToDualBoot> ok everything is unmounted
[17:57] <alkisg> In the past, I used the dpkg policy file to prevent services in chroots; now with systemd I don't see that issue often...
[17:57] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  ls -R /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:58] <TryingToDualBoot> the /mnt dir is empty now
[17:58] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  ok again
[17:58] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p5  /mnt
[17:59] <TryingToDualBoot> ok its mounted and I see the usual file structure in /,mnt
[17:59] <TryingToDualBoot> with bin home etc
[17:59] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,    sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p1   /mnt/boot/efi
[17:59] <TryingToDualBoot> ok p1 is mounted at /mnt/boot/efi
[18:00] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   now mount the critical FS as you like ; TJ - ?
[18:01] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   try again this, for now :     for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -B $i /mnt$i; done
[18:01] <TryingToDualBoot> ok done
[18:02] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   sudo chroot /mnt
[18:02] <TryingToDualBoot> ok chroot succeed
[18:03] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   update-grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:03] <TJ-> here's my chroot_prepare shell-script if anyone finds it useful https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZBjTZ7GVyz/
[18:04] <TryingToDualBoot> https://termbin.com/s0s2
[18:05] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   lokks fine to me
[18:05] <TryingToDualBoot> That all seems to look pretty good?
[18:05] <TryingToDualBoot> So now try to reboot?
[18:06] <ioria> we did nothing mate
[18:06] <TryingToDualBoot> huh....
[18:06] <TJ-> is it EFI? does it need a grub-install ?
[18:06] <ioria> yes
[18:06] <TryingToDualBoot> I should run grub-install? how do I check if it is efi?
[18:06] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   go with that
[18:07] <ioria> we already did
[18:07] <TryingToDualBoot> ok
[18:07] <TryingToDualBoot> so when I reboot I should be able to get a grub menu?
[18:07] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  did you run the cmd ?
[18:07] <TryingToDualBoot> the only command I have run in the chroot is update-grub
[18:08] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  grub-install
[18:09] <TryingToDualBoot> https://termbin.com/3fam
[18:09] <TryingToDualBoot> looks like an error
[18:10] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  mount -a
[18:10] <TryingToDualBoot> mount -a does not echo anything
[18:10] <TryingToDualBoot> and grub install still fails
[18:12] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  mokutil --sb-state
[18:12] <TryingToDualBoot> secure boot is disabled
[18:13] <TryingToDualBoot> but I did not disable it until after I did the ubuntu install
[18:13] <dabomb765> any one running cinnamon on 21.10 and can check and see if keep window on top of other window is still working?
[18:15] <TryingToDualBoot> should I try a reinstall?
[18:16] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  exit and reboot
[18:17] <TryingToDualBoot> ok I will be back
[18:17] <TryingToDualBoot> I am signed into IRC in my live environemt
[18:20] <TryingToDualBoot> Ok the grub menu now shows up!!! But Windows still wont start :(
[18:20] <TryingToDualBoot> So I am now in the Ubuntu install on the hard drive
[18:21] <TryingToDualBoot> This is what happens when I try to boot into windows https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Operating-Systems-and-Recovery/Automatic-Recovery-Cannot-Repair-PC/td-p/8123570?lightbox-message-images-8123570=289617i5CE284FE6368B5C5
[18:22] <strngelet> Hi all, I have a security issue that started today, not sure if it is bug or if I'm doing something stupid.
[18:24] <tomreyn> strngelet: hi there. you'd need to provide more info if you're hoping to get help with this.
[18:24] <strngelet> The problem: When I reboot, gnome logs in a user account automatically, but it is not set to autologin in the GUI or the config file.  Using default config of 20.10 on Intel workstation x86-64
[18:25] <strngelet> it is running X11 according to /etc/gdm3/custom.conf
[18:26] <leftyfb> strngelet: is this a new install of 21.10?
[18:26] <leftyfb> strngelet: try it booting without the custom.conf
[18:26] <tomreyn> !20.10 | strngelet
[18:26] <alkisg> sudo grep -ri autologin /etc/gdm3
[18:26] <strngelet> no upgraded from 20.04 by do-release-upgrade sp,me months ago
[18:26] <leftyfb> oh, 20.10
[18:27] <leftyfb> damn, keep missing those differences
[18:27] <strngelet> alksig: there was no output for that command
[18:27] <alkisg> strngelet: unfortunately 20.10 isn't supported here
[18:28] <alkisg> You need to upgrade first
[18:28] <alkisg> (while 20.04 is)
[18:28] <strngelet> oh I see
[18:28] <leftyfb> strngelet: if you're not going to upgrade your OS every 9 months then you should stick with LTS releases
[18:29] <strngelet> I'm dumb I did lsb-release -a and it says 21.04
[18:29] <strngelet> _
[18:29] <strngelet> I'm on hirsuite
[18:29] <strngelet> hirsute*
[18:30] <leftyfb> strngelet: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:32] <strngelet> isn;t nc an insecure protocol
[18:32] <alkisg> Sure, but we're asking you to display that information in public anyway
[18:32] <strngelet> it's been 15 years since I used IRC and nc used to set alarm bells ringing
[18:32] <leftyfb> strngelet: netcat is not a protocol. This is only posting the release information of your distribution, nothing more
[18:32] <strngelet> oh ok
[18:33] <alkisg> Insecure doesn't mean that someone will get access to your pc, it means that if someone is listening to your traffic, he'll see the data; which will be public anyway...
[18:33] <dabomb765> all the chats are logged and public so everything you post here is world readable any way
[18:33] <strngelet> https://termbin.com/8i95
[18:34] <alkisg> strngelet: if you logout, does it automatically relogin?
[18:34] <strngelet> no
[18:36] <TryingToDualBoot> @ior
[18:36] <TryingToDualBoot> ioria that fix worked, thank you so much. windows still wont boot, but at least I get a grub menu now
[18:36] <TryingToDualBoot> So currently investigating using rescatux to fix the windows partition
[18:37] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,  ok... https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/
[18:37] <TryingToDualBoot> Im able to see and browse the windows file system from the Ubuntu side, so I guess the windows boot program must be confused about what happened
[18:37] <alkisg> I rarely see gdm nowadays, a last try from me: `sudo cat /var/lib/AccountsService/users/$USER` ==> and see if the new gnome decided to store the autologin information in accountservice...
[18:37] <alkisg> strngelet: ^
[18:37] <TryingToDualBoot> So grub DOES show up and I can pick windows or linux
[18:38] <TryingToDualBoot> but when I pick windows, I get the automatic repair screen and then windows does not start
[18:38] <ioria> TryingToDualBoot,   https://itsfoss.com/no-grub-windows-linux/
[18:38] <alkisg> TryingToDualBoot: that's a windows issue from now on; e.g. if you moved or added a partition or looked at windows the wrong way, it'll get mad at you and not start :D
[18:39] <alkisg> TryingToDualBoot: sometimes it can be fixed by regenerating the bcd store, other times by trying to boot enough times, other times it just needs a reinstallation even on top of existing data
[18:39] <strngelet> alksig: it just gives me the > prompt
[18:39] <TryingToDualBoot> That article seems to describe a different problem
[18:40] <alkisg> Didn't you say that you get the blue recovery dialog?
[18:40] <TryingToDualBoot> Yeah I get the blue recovery dialog
[18:40] <TryingToDualBoot> but I cant use any of the advanced tools because my windows user is not an admin (why not I have no idea why)
[18:40] <alkisg> (ignore my last sentence)
[18:40] <TryingToDualBoot> Rescatux seems to be able to promote a windows user to admin though
[18:40] <alkisg> strngelet: without the backticks
[18:40] <TryingToDualBoot> what is the bcd store?
[18:41] <alkisg> TryingToDualBoot: the windows boot registry; that's out of topic here though
[18:41] <TryingToDualBoot> Ok yeah I agree this does seem to be a windows problem now
[18:41] <alkisg> TryingToDualBoot: you fixed the linux side, now you should go to #windows and ask there for the rest...
[18:41] <TryingToDualBoot> Though I would argue the ubuntu LTS installer with default options should not cause this problem :P
[18:41] <TryingToDualBoot> but I agree we are in windows territory now
[18:42] <strngelet> alksig: https://termbin.com/j2hh
[18:42] <leftyfb> mind you, if you "fix" the Windows boot loader a certain way, it might override GRUB
[18:42] <leftyfb> TryingToDualBoot: also, now that I think about it, is it possible the Windows side is broken because you disabled secureboot?
[18:43] <alkisg> strngelet: yeah it's not there either, dunno then, maybe something dropped something in /usr :)
[18:43] <TryingToDualBoot> yeah Im still fairly confused about whether secure boot needs to be disabled or not
[18:43] <leftyfb> TryingToDualBoot: it's better to keep it disabled for linux distros
[18:43] <TryingToDualBoot> the installer asked me for a secure boot password though which I gave it
[18:45] <strngelet> alksig: does that imply a virus/malware?
[18:47] <alkisg> strngelet: nah I don't think so, they have nothing to gain by your autologin
[18:49] <strngelet> good point, I guess it's worth filing a bug report then.  Thanks for trying and to you leftybin
[18:50] <strngelet> ty alksig ^
[19:00] <steerpike> what version of ubuntu is based on debian 10.9?
[19:01] <sarnold> steerpike: ubuntu is based on imports from debian unstable, not from stable debian releases
[19:02] <sarnold> steerpike: there may or may not be significant overlap between the different distribution releases but that's not a reflection of how ubuntu is developed
[19:02] <steerpike> so there's no compatible version of debian 10.9?
[19:02] <steerpike> i just want to use an ubuntu apt repo for some packages
[19:03] <sarnold> depending upon what's packaged, it may or may not work, or it might look like it works but it's misleading :) heh
[19:04] <sarnold> try focal
[19:04] <steerpike> what's focal
[19:04] <baldrick> Help: VNC server on 21.04. Sharing turned on via GNOME but no love when trying to connect to it (timeout). port scan on 5900 shows filtered but not open
[19:04] <sarnold> steerpike: 20.04
[19:04] <steerpike> thanks
[19:04] <steerpike> it says that's bullseye
[19:05] <steerpike> not buster
[19:05] <sarnold> baldrick: that usually means a firewall is configured to DROP packets rather than REJECT packets
[19:05] <baldrick> tnx . Thought on install it did the ufw command
[19:06] <baldrick> which vncserver does 21.04 install
[20:29] <thelounge3779> I can't boot into my server. But I am able to access it via rescue mode. Am I able to backup my files like that or nope?
[20:31] <sarnold> you probably can, it depends upon your local site and also why you couldn't boot it in the first place
[20:31] <sarnold> but rescue mode is there because it's very useful :)
[20:35] <thelounge3779> sarnold idk honestly some kernel issue
[20:35] <thelounge3779> I don't have physical server access but the control panel has a rescue mode feature. I just need the files out of there. I would reinstall later.
[20:36] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: kernel issues?
[20:36] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: what version of ubuntu and what kernel is it running?
[20:37] <thelounge3779> Ubuntu 20 64bit Minimal
[20:37] <leftyfb> !yy.mm | thelounge3779
[20:39] <thelounge3779> I don't know the EXACT version number. Control panel does not even provide it. And I can't even get into the server anymore.
[20:39] <cbreak> so, any catastrophic issues with 21.10? :)
[20:39] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: if this is a VPS, then you might have better luck contacting the provider for support
[20:39] <sarnold> cbreak: as far as I know, only for zfs users
[20:39] <cbreak> ... great...
[20:40] <thelounge3779> leftyfb trust me they are no help at all
[20:40] <cbreak> I'm booting off of zfs
[20:40] <thelounge3779> I wouldn't be here if they were helpful
[20:40] <cbreak> sarnold: any details? :)
[20:40] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: sorry to hear that. Good luck.
[20:41] <cbreak> thelounge3779: can you boot off of usb? or virtual usb?
[20:41] <cbreak> if you have IPMI access or similar, that should be possible
[20:41] <leftyfb> cbreak: unlikely with a VPS
[20:41] <cbreak> hmm... :(
[20:42] <sarnold> cbreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zfs-linux/+bug/1906476
[20:42] <leftyfb> it's more than likely a custom ubuntu image on a custom shared kernel platform
[20:42] <sarnold> cbreak: I recommend jumping to the end and reading up :)
[20:42] <cbreak> sarnold: thanks
[20:42] <thelounge3779> well I have rescue mode. what can I do with that?
[20:43] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: nothing if you don't have external storage or internet access. Or fix the problem and boot to a supported kernel
[20:43] <thelounge3779> and what if I attach a live boot iso and do something with that maybe?
[20:43] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: if it's a VPN with a shared kernel which you don't control, there's nothing much you can do here
[20:43] <thelounge3779> leftyfb well there's internet access
[20:44] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: ok, so rsync/scp your files elsewhere. That was your initial goal was it not?
[20:44] <thelounge3779> yeah just need the files out of there legit
[20:44] <thelounge3779> I'm done with my host
[20:44] <cbreak> sarnold: hmm... that seems to be 21.04 related too, which is what I'm running now without issues.
[20:45] <thelounge3779> where could they be located at tho?
[20:45] <webchat16> Hi, do you know when I can report problem with booting after 21.04 => 21.10 upgrade?
[20:45] <cbreak> well... without major issues
[20:45] <thelounge3779> (for when I am in rescue mode)
[20:45] <leftyfb> thelounge3779: mount your drive and look through your filesystem
[20:45] <cbreak> what is "rescue mode"?
[20:46] <leftyfb> single user mode
[20:46] <sarnold> cbreak: eek.
[20:46] <cbreak> that should give relatively normal tools
[20:46] <cbreak> like rsync or rclone
[20:46] <cbreak> sarnold: don't tell anyone, but I currently have a zfs encrypted boot mirror pair with the ubuntu zfs
[20:47] <thelounge3779> leftyfb got it I'll try now
[20:47] <sarnold> cbreak: nice :D
[20:48] <cbreak> well. I'm also using ZFS on MacOS X, so ... my standards for "no issues" might be more lenient than most :D
[20:48] <sarnold> oh my. I hadn't realized that was far enough along to use :)
[20:48] <cbreak> been using it for years
[20:48] <cbreak> only times I lost my pool was when I played around with native encryption back when it was alpha
[20:49] <cbreak> anyway, seems I'll not upgrade to 21.10 yet, unless the zfs-shaped dust has settled, thanks for the info sarnold :)
[20:49] <sarnold> cbreak: good plan :)
[20:51] <thelounge3779> leftyfb thanks so much it worked for me, turns out i was overcomplicating it
[20:53] <Doople> Hi anyone here
[20:53] <sarnold> a few hundred people..
[20:53] <leftyfb> Doople: feel free to ask your support question
[20:54] <Doople> I need help with a script
[20:54] <Doople> I am trying to fix a script to download from two mirror sites
[21:00] <involved> HI
[21:00] <involved> hey guys
[21:00] <tomreyn> greetings
[21:01] <involved> how can i upgrade from beta to release in 21.10 ?
[21:01] <sarnold> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[21:01] <involved> sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[21:01] <involved> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[21:01] <involved> Upgrades to the development release are only
[21:01] <involved> available from the latest supported release.
[21:01] <involved> i get this
[21:01] <leftyfb> !paste | involved
[21:01] <leftyfb> involved: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[21:01] <involved> i get this
[21:02] <cbreak> involved: you're using 21.10, which is already the newest release
[21:02] <involved> cbreak
[21:02] <involved> https://termbin.com/xvx8q
[21:02] <leftyfb> involved: congrats, you're running Ubuntu 21.10
[21:02] <cbreak> there's nothing newer
[21:03] <leftyfb> enjoy
[21:03] <involved> i installed beta version
[21:03] <cbreak> you can try what sarnold proposed to update some more
[21:03] <cbreak> but you're already on the right track
[21:03] <leftyfb> involved: yes, and doing updates from there will get you to the released version once it was released
[21:04] <involved> thanks
[21:16] <mhoney_> yw
[21:38] <Guest4962> If I'm experiencing buggy behavior is this the correct place to discuss it?
[21:39] <sarnold> probably
[21:41] <amd_> hello
[21:43] <Guest4962> Seemingly randomly I'm having everything start becoming really slow and freezing, and when that happens if I pull up htop it tells me that the kernel or it processes are continuously using one cpu core. The only thing I've found to resolve this has been to restart. I've tried different Ubuntu versions, has not helped. What should be my next
[21:43] <Guest4962> troubleshooting step?
[21:44] <sarnold> you'll need to collect some information when it happens, what process is using the processor, what it's doing, etc
[21:45] <Guest4962> Correct. I'll try to log when it happens to figure out when. However what should I use / look at to determine what is using it?
[21:47] <sarnold> use htop or top or ps to find out what process is running, keep watching it for a bit to see if tis' the same one or if it changes over time, etc
[21:48] <Guest4962> Ok, I'll probably take lots of screenshots and then look back for connections. Will touch base when I've figured out more. Thank you!
[22:57] <VIA> hey all  got  a  question
[23:24] <magnus-falco> im trying to use GWE when i start it i get "it was not possible to find the NAVIDIA NV-CONTROL z extenshion on the current display device"