[00:01] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Yup confirmed no output from the second apt-cache policy here also :(
[00:01] <TJ-> that is not a nice surprise!
[00:02] <TJ-> I wasted 1/2 hour with that, thinking my grep expressions were failing
[00:02] <rfm> interestingly if redirect stdout/stdin to /dev/tty it comes out
[00:04] <rfm> according to strace if stderr isn't a tty it doesn't write the message at all
[00:05] <TJ-> rfm: yes, I recall hitting this several years ago 
[00:05] <TJ-> only now I remember though!
[00:05] <daftykins> "it's like a bad dream!"
[00:10] <TJ-> this is weird, I captured the fd's of  'apt-cache policy *' - all fds pointing to /dev/null! https://termbin.com/5d9f #
[00:12] <TJ-> sorry, to pts/3  but fd/3 > /dev/null
[01:49] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[01:57] <JanC> ogra: I think DKMS modules will not get removed in case of a kernel package purge either...
[01:57] <JanC> so it's not necessarily only the remove vs. purge difference
[06:04] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:57] <marcoagpinto> Morning!
[07:36] <ducasse> good morning
[07:52] <TJ-> JanC: ogra  DKMS removes modules when a kernel is removed ("/etc/kernel/prerm.d/dkms" )
[07:53] <ogra> 👍
[07:54] <JanC> TJ-: does/did it always do that?  I found that I have DKMS modules for some old kernel here...
[07:54] <JanC> old kernel from before an OS upgrade
[07:55] <JanC> probably even 2 OS upgrades ago?
[07:55] <TJ-> JanC: it is called on kernel package removal so ought to be but note the script only tests for "installed" modules not "built"
[07:56] <JanC> hmm
[21:34] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue705 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue705 :)