| jrwren | looks like everything went smoothly... now I have to decide if i want to build my own bind9 package or abandon the DNS server that I've used for over 20 years. :) | 00:29 |
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| cmaloney | Which server have you run for the past 30 years? | 01:16 |
| jrwren | i didn't know what a server was in 1991 | 01:28 |
| cmaloney | I meant DNS server | 02:55 |
| cmaloney | and yes, 30 years ago I didn't run my own shit | 02:56 |
| Scary_Guy | I once talked to a lady who didn't know. Had to call back and get a different person before I could properly report that my ISP's DNS servers were down. | 11:21 |
| jrwren | BIND | 12:50 |
| Scary_Guy | I know it doesn't but I feel like it should stand for Bind Is Not DNS. I guess I've been using UNIX too long :/ | 13:02 |
| Scary_Guy | Though I suppose that's the fun of FOSS. You either get super profesional sounding names or names like "GIMP" | 13:04 |
| jrwren | you aren't off there. | 13:06 |
| jrwren | It turns out so many things that I thought of as part of being a DNS server are bind-isms | 13:06 |
| jrwren | although some are RFCs, things like zone transfers really aren't required of a DNS server, unless you want to interop with BIND | 13:07 |
| jrwren | but more likely if you are doing xfers you own and op all of the server involved which means you can implement it any which way you want. | 13:07 |
| jrwren | I'd never considered that until just a few years ago | 13:07 |
| jrwren | ... | 13:08 |
| jrwren | I just really want HTTPS RR support, but it isn't in BIND stable yet and I tried to apply the patch to stable and it doesn't build and I don't want to start diving through the code to make it work so... | 13:08 |
| jrwren | if I'm feeling VERY ambitious, I'll move to coredns or powerdns | 13:08 |
| Mooncairn | Does anyone do filesystem snapshots before upgrading packages so that you can roll things back if there's a problem? If so, what's your method of doing that? | 17:23 |
| cmaloney | I haven't attempted it | 18:19 |
| Mooncairn | I may try nixos. I just got burned by a bad KDE Plasma upgrade in Debian unstable. No clue what's wrong, and reverting to the previous version of the dozens of packages involved is nearly impossible. | 18:35 |
| greg-g | If you're LISPy, guix is cool too | 18:38 |
| * greg-g hasn't used it, but has friends who develop it | 18:38 | |
| cmaloney | Oof. That sucks re the upgrade | 18:44 |
| jrwren | i dunno about nixos day to day, but nixpkg is awesome. | 18:49 |
| jrwren | but really... the reason I never do filesystem snapshot to try to roll back before upgrading packages is because I learned to dig myself out of basically any kind of package mishaps that could happen. | 18:50 |
| jrwren | getting to know apt & deb REALLY well was worth it | 18:50 |
| Scary_Guy | "unstable" well, there you go | 18:58 |
| Scary_Guy | I just use timeshift in Mint | 18:59 |
| jrwren | i used to float between debian stable and unstable. it was great... until it wasn't. | 19:00 |
| Scary_Guy | apt, deb, and dpkg | 19:00 |
| jrwren | This was the pre-ubuntu days IIRC | 19:00 |
| Scary_Guy | I'm actually on LMDE4. It's half broken at this point though. I'm going to move SSDs so just going to do a new install. | 19:01 |
| jrwren | i never reinstall. i only upgrade. | 19:02 |
| jrwren | current system was originally installed in 2004ish, possibly earlier. | 19:02 |
| Scary_Guy | But I'm also super weird and use things like mate, but with i3wm instead of marco for composition. | 19:02 |
| Scary_Guy | Oh wow, that sounds like a nightmare. You must really be an actual ninja then. | 19:03 |
| jrwren | hrm... maybe not though... some files indicated maybe it was Aug 2008 | 19:03 |
| jrwren | yup... this is me, with a debian/ubuntu system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cegdR0GiJl4 | 19:04 |
| jrwren | but if you put me on fedora or centos, I'm kinda clueless ;) | 19:04 |
| Scary_Guy | I can manage well enough. I ran CentOS for a minute on an IBM server I had a while ago. | 19:06 |
| Mooncairn | Okay, so the good news is that a new user account allows me to log into the latest KDE Plasma w/o issues. That's also the bad news. :-/ | 20:45 |
| cmaloney | So you'll likely need to move your old config files | 21:11 |
| cmaloney | If it's like gnome they're probably under .config | 21:11 |
| Mooncairn | Ok, I'm going go and start doing .config surgery and rehab. | 21:51 |
| Mooncairn | One environment variable. That was the problem. | 22:58 |
| greg-g | hah | 23:08 |
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