[00:29] <jrwren> looks like everything went smoothly... now I have to decide if i want to build my own bind9 package or abandon the DNS server that I've used for over 20 years. :)
[01:16] <cmaloney> Which server have you run for the past 30 years?
[01:28] <jrwren> i didn't know what a server was in 1991
[02:55] <cmaloney> I meant DNS server
[02:56] <cmaloney> and yes, 30 years ago I didn't run my own shit
[11:21] <Scary_Guy> I once talked to a lady who didn't know.  Had to call back and get a different person before I could properly report that my ISP's DNS servers were down.
[12:50] <jrwren> BIND
[13:02] <Scary_Guy> I know it doesn't but I feel like it should stand for Bind Is Not DNS.  I guess I've been using UNIX too long :/
[13:04] <Scary_Guy> Though I suppose that's the fun of FOSS.  You either get super profesional sounding names or names like "GIMP"
[13:06] <jrwren> you aren't off there.
[13:06] <jrwren> It turns out so many things that I thought of as part of being a DNS server are bind-isms
[13:07] <jrwren> although some are RFCs, things like zone transfers really aren't required of a DNS server, unless you want to interop with BIND
[13:07] <jrwren> but more likely if you are doing xfers you own and op all of the server involved which means you can implement it any which way you want.
[13:07] <jrwren> I'd never considered that until just a few years ago
[13:08] <jrwren> ...
[13:08] <jrwren> I just really want HTTPS RR support, but it isn't in BIND stable yet and I tried to apply the patch to stable and it doesn't build and I don't want to start diving through the code to make it work so...
[13:08] <jrwren> if I'm feeling VERY ambitious, I'll move to coredns or powerdns
[17:23] <Mooncairn> Does anyone do filesystem snapshots before upgrading packages so that you can roll things back if there's a problem? If so, what's your method of doing that?
[18:19] <cmaloney> I haven't attempted it
[18:35] <Mooncairn> I may try nixos. I just got burned by a bad KDE Plasma upgrade in Debian unstable. No clue what's wrong, and reverting to the previous version of the dozens of packages involved is nearly impossible.
[18:38] <greg-g> If you're LISPy, guix is cool too
[18:38]  * greg-g hasn't used it, but has friends who develop it
[18:44] <cmaloney> Oof. That sucks re the upgrade
[18:49] <jrwren> i dunno about nixos day to day, but nixpkg is awesome.
[18:50] <jrwren> but really... the reason I never do filesystem snapshot to try to roll back before upgrading packages is because I learned to dig myself out of basically any kind of package mishaps that could happen.
[18:50] <jrwren> getting to know apt & deb REALLY well was worth it
[18:58] <Scary_Guy> "unstable" well, there you go
[18:59] <Scary_Guy> I just use timeshift in Mint
[19:00] <jrwren> i used to float between debian stable and unstable. it was great... until it wasn't.
[19:00] <Scary_Guy> apt, deb, and dpkg
[19:00] <jrwren> This was the pre-ubuntu days IIRC
[19:01] <Scary_Guy> I'm actually on LMDE4.  It's half broken at this point though.  I'm going to move SSDs so just going to do a new install.
[19:02] <jrwren> i never reinstall. i only upgrade.
[19:02] <jrwren> current system was originally installed in 2004ish, possibly earlier.
[19:02] <Scary_Guy> But I'm also super weird and use things like mate, but with i3wm instead of marco for composition.
[19:03] <Scary_Guy> Oh wow, that sounds like a nightmare.  You must really be an actual ninja then.
[19:03] <jrwren> hrm... maybe not though... some files indicated maybe it was Aug 2008
[19:04] <jrwren> yup... this is me, with a debian/ubuntu system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cegdR0GiJl4
[19:04] <jrwren> but if you put me on fedora or centos, I'm kinda clueless ;)
[19:06] <Scary_Guy> I can manage well enough.  I ran CentOS for a minute on an IBM server I had a while ago.
[20:45] <Mooncairn> Okay, so the good news is that a new user account allows me to log into the latest KDE Plasma w/o issues. That's also the bad news. :-/
[21:11] <cmaloney> So you'll likely need to move your old config files 
[21:11] <cmaloney> If it's like gnome they're probably under .config
[21:51] <Mooncairn> Ok, I'm going go and start doing .config surgery and rehab.
[22:58] <Mooncairn> One environment variable. That was the problem.
[23:08] <greg-g> hah