[10:14] <Iamthehuman1> After the upgrade to 21.10 I'm also experiencing that the laptop runs real hot. In htop I'm seeing the kwin_x11 constantly wanting >=50% of 800%
[10:16] <Iamthehuman1> I got 150GB just for root partitions so install clean and migrate is not a lot of work, expecially since I documented it for me. Should actually make it 180GB as the 50GB just doesn't cut it
[15:24] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: I am interested to know if that is running on top of xorg or wayland
[15:29] <Iamthehuman1> OvenWerks: Xorg
[15:32] <Iamthehuman1> Too bad I bought a lifetime license to Baqpaq (an advanced backup solution for /home by the same guy who did Timeshift) only a day after the upgrade. If I had had that in time I could rollback also the ~/.config and such
[15:33] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: maybe try changing some of the setting in plasma
[15:33] <Iamthehuman1> e.g...?
[15:34] <OvenWerks> yeah I know. I was just looking for them ;)
[15:36] <OvenWerks> I am thinking Display and Monitor->Compositor would be the place to start
[15:37] <OvenWerks> but I am not sure that allows less "animation"
[15:39] <OvenWerks> Also Workspace Behaviour->General Behaviour->Animation Speed
[15:40] <OvenWerks> Also Workspace Behaviour->Desktop Effects->Appearance
[15:41] <OvenWerks> Blurs and fading take CPU/GPU
[15:43] <Iamthehuman1> Ok, took all the fades and blurs off
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: also maybe ask in #kubuntu about settings to allow plasma, etc. to take less power
[15:44] <OvenWerks> The reality is that I don't know that much about this, just that plasma4 was really bad with power use and plasma5 much better
[15:44] <Iamthehuman1> this seems to have had a positive effect, now its asking only for 15-20% of 800%
[15:45] <Iamthehuman1> Yes... temps just dropped below 60C
[15:45] <Iamthehuman1> s/temps/temperatures/
[15:47] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: in general, desktop computers have continued to have more processing power (GPUs too) but laptops have been stuck in i3 land forever
[15:47] <OvenWerks> The i5 and i7 made for laptops are two core, just like the i3
[15:48] <OvenWerks> The reason is all down to cooling
[15:48] <OvenWerks> The thinner the laptop, the worse it gets
[15:48] <OvenWerks> This is also the reason Apple has gone ARM based with their M1
[15:51] <OvenWerks> I think Intel has a lot of work to do in this area... AMD too. I think that the linux kernel probably needs work as well
[15:52] <Iamthehuman1> I heard that the developement of Xorg has kinda been put on the backburner in favor of Wayland. I did try Wayland on KDE neon, otherwise ok, but no graphical VirtualBoxen would start, so back to X
[15:53] <OvenWerks> Yeah Wayland has made some choices that purposely breaks things people are used to doing, calling them a security leak.
[15:55] <OvenWerks> This is lead by redhat (whatever they are called these days) who's main customers are very interested in security over anything else and generally have almost no graphics uses.
[15:57] <Iamthehuman1> OvenWerks: After the upgrade JACK stopped working, I didn't notice this till I stopped and tried to restart Studio Controls. I heard here that there have been some edge cases, where the update script of autojack (?) will not work correctly. Here is the output when I try to start Studio Controls from shell https://paste.debian.net/1216417/. If this system cannot be rescued it is not a big problem, as I can just install clean and 'mv * ../
[15:58] <Iamthehuman1> newhome' and then manually pick only selected configs from the old system
[15:58] <OvenWerks> The desktop computer is very quickly going back to it's roots of being a business oriented device rather than entertainment. Entertainment is in many ways being taken over by ARM based android and iOS
[16:00] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: if you run convert-studio-controls on the commanfline can you paste the whole output?
[16:00] <Iamthehuman1> .. should I take a Timeshift snapshot first?
[16:01] <OvenWerks> you can but it should have been run several times by now anyway...
[16:01] <Iamthehuman1> nah.. there was one run at 1AM last night... running it now
[16:02] <OvenWerks> I am concerned that the paste above does not show it's run before the above
[16:02] <Iamthehuman1> OvenWerks: here is the output https://paste.debian.net/1216418/
[16:05] <OvenWerks> You have a device that exceeds my experience it seems.
[16:05] <OvenWerks> can you past the output of ls -l /proc/asound/*
[16:06] <OvenWerks> Actually that is clumsy :P
[16:07] <OvenWerks> pasting the the contents of /proc/asound/cards would do just as well
[16:10] <Iamthehuman1> OvenWerks: just one card currently, not at home where I have more cards https://paste.debian.net/1216419/
[16:11] <Iamthehuman1> Is there anything else I could provide to shed light on my system's situation? ... I have a sauna to catch right about now
[16:13] <OvenWerks> You have tyhe same problem with just that? If you are busy don't worry, It seems you have a USB audio device that has a name that is less than 4 charactors long
[16:14] <OvenWerks> You could paste ~/.config/autojack/autojack.json
[16:15] <OvenWerks> (of the system with the problem) but I think I see the problem in any case
[16:17] <Iamthehuman1> OvenWerks: Here is the contents of autojack.json  https://paste.debian.net/1216422/ .. now I need to hit the sauna or the fire will die out. Thanks for your software and help!
[17:51] <Eickmeyer[m]> Iamahuman4: So, for the laptop being hot, I've noticed that without tlp that seems to happen. Install tlp and you should see some improvements in both power usage and cooling.
[17:58] <Iamthehuman1> Thanks Eickmeyer[m]. After turning the fades and blurs off as Len suggested, the CPU utilisation went to nice idling levels and temperatures are down to ~ 50C, but I will now look into this tlp
[17:59] <Iamthehuman1> mmmmm, archwiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/TLP
[18:00] <Eickmeyer[m]> Iamahuman4: The Ubuntu package automatically installs a systemd service for you and enables it on boot, so there's 0 configuration to do.
[18:02] <Iamthehuman1> ok, thanks, installed
[20:23] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: definately to do with short USB device names.
[20:25] <Iamthehuman1> Ok. Thank you for that information. This system was originally installed as 21.04. Is there something that can be done about the short USB device names?
[20:32] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: fix studio-controls...
[20:37] <OvenWerks> Iamthehuman1: you also have at least one device that has no name at all. I think it gets one device twice too. (the one with no name) which it looks like is a midi device?
[20:38] <Iamthehuman1> got a couple of midi controllers back home
[20:40] <Iamthehuman1> I need to investigate this when I am back home. So which file I should edit to try to get Studio Controls up? ~/.config/autojack/autojack.json ?
[20:45] <OvenWerks> easiest thing is to unplug any USB device with less than 4 char length and create a new config file. (mv ~/.config/autojack ~/.config/autoback or something like that)
[20:46] <OvenWerks> then run convert-studio-controls to cerate a new one.
[20:46] <OvenWerks> It should not give any errors.
[20:47] <Iamthehuman1> ok, copied instructions to intrawiki. But I'm going to do this when I am back home with 3 displays and all the devices
[20:47] <OvenWerks> you can add devices you know about following any usb device that is in there... adding a USB<next number> and putting the actual device name in raw.
[20:48] <OvenWerks> bus and id can both be "none"
[20:49] <OvenWerks> I should exclude midi only devices from the database too.
[20:55] <OvenWerks> I am guessing that I need to treat no name devices better too. I was just using their card number as a name as that will allow things to work. But I think BUS and ID will need to be added.
[21:08] <Iamthehuman1> Thanks OvenWerks. I will try with this information when I'm back home. Right now ALSA is up so I'm good for the rest of this vacation, just no klingityklangity sounds from anything JACK :P
[21:38] <pancho_masako_27> Sup people
[23:41] <SeanCortright[m]> Hi, I'm wondering how to uninstall ubuntustudio from linux mint.
[23:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> !mint
[23:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sean Cortright: Not supported, sorry.