[00:35] <xu-irc46w> good morning
[00:36] <xu-irc46w> i installed xubunto on second hard drive pc wont boot , unless i press f11 during boot , ok so i uninstalled xbunto now i get some screen abouit grub ?
[00:37] <xu-irc46w> is there a book i can get some where ? all the help online is old 
[00:39] <xu-irc46w> oh great my win setting have changed?
[00:39] <xu-irc46w> hello
[00:39] <xu-irc90w> hello
[00:39] <xu-irc90w> ok every time i hit enter page moves wtf
[00:40] <xu-irc90w> is there any one to help like linux software claims so far this is third linux ive tryed no good so far
[00:41] <xu-irc90w> i in stalled xbunto on other drive pc wont boot unless i press f11 during boot ?
[00:42] <xu-irc90w> that was no good so i uninstalled xbunto now i get aboot screen looks like dos , some stuff about grub
[00:43] <xu-irc90w> 5 42 am going to look for coffee 
[00:43] <xu-irc90w> pm
[00:45] <xu-irc90w> hello any one there?
[00:46] <xu-irc90w> damn screen moves every time i hit enter wtf
[00:46] <xu-irc90w> i need help please
[00:46] <tomreyn> xu-irc90w: sometimes it takes some patience to find someone to asnwer your questions
[00:46] <xu-irc90w> damn first person whos said some thing 
[00:46] <tomreyn> if you need a better irc client than the webchat, you could install hexchat
[00:47] <xu-irc90w> ive waited hours on other sites 
[00:47] <xu-irc90w> now if stupid page would stop moving 
[00:47] <xu-irc90w> i dont know what hex chat is ok 
[00:48] <xu-irc90w> im disabled learning disabled autism , im trying to not use win 7 any more but people have made it very difficult 
[00:48] <xu-irc90w> not easy to switch 
[00:48] <xu-irc90w> like is there a book ?
[00:48] <tomreyn> this web chat you're using connects to an IRC network, which is a chat protocol. there are much better ways to use IRC, heyxchat is one of several softwares you could install that would enable that.
[00:49] <xu-irc90w> im not changeing win 7 with more software 
[00:49] <xu-irc90w> i tryed to install xbunto and it wont boot unless i press f11 ever after uninstalling it 
[00:50] <xu-irc90w> now when i boot i get ados like screen about grub ?
[00:50] <tomreyn> i'm not going to discuss windows or windows vs linux, but generally, you should definitely not run an end of support life operating system connected to the internet.
[00:50] <xu-irc90w> ha ha thats what i said 
[00:50] <xu-irc90w> guess your no help
[00:50] <tomreyn> it's not clear what you mean by "uninstalling xubuntu", since there's no such thing
[00:51] <xu-irc90w> every freaking time :(
[00:51] <xu-irc90w> if i dont say the word exactly right its im a bad person , but when i dont understand yall its all ha 
[00:51] <tomreyn> what do you mean?
[00:52] <tomreyn> i don't think you're a bad person, why would i?
[00:53] <xu-irc90w> it wont boot into win unless i press f11 during start like after i press power button i go to keyboard and press f11 get option for lots of stuff like grub uiefi grub stuff and win 7
[00:54] <xu-irc90w> so that was no good so i format the other drive now it boots into some thing that looks like dos with some words about grub 
[00:54] <tomreyn> you seem to have a computer which supports both uefi and legacy bios boot (also known as "CSM"). F11 seems to show the boot (override) menu on this computer.
[00:54] <tomreyn> some of the options presented there will be for uefi booting, others for bios booting
[00:55] <tomreyn> grb is the boot loader used by most linux distributions, including (x)ubuntu
[00:55] <tomreyn> *grub
[00:55] <xu-irc90w> ok how do i make it not do that and just boot back into win7 like before?
[00:56] <xu-irc90w> other linux stuff that did not work out i just format the drive and reboot nothing changed untill xubunto
[00:56] <tomreyn> if you changed bios configurations before you installed xubuntu, then undo them, and windows should be able to boot the same way as it did previously
[00:56] <xu-irc90w> i did not change bios setting
[00:57] <xu-irc90w> so xbunto broke my machine and no body will take resonability 
[00:57] <xu-irc90w> maybe come up with a boot manager atleast if your going to push crap software that dont work right
[00:58] <xu-irc90w> :(
[00:58] <tomreyn> you know, i'm volunteering my spare time to answer some of your questions, you should not treat me that way.
[00:58] <xu-irc90w> great no help and now i got to spend hours looking up how to fix my computer
[00:59] <xu-irc90w> treating what way ?
[00:59] <tomreyn> if this is a repeating scene, maybe there is a constant in the whole thing you should look at more closely
[00:59] <xu-irc90w> im just typing 
[00:59] <xu-irc90w> im disabled and linux is not easy at all every thing is a struggle
[00:59] <tomreyn> sorry to hear that
[01:00] <tomreyn> i think ubuntu may be easier in terms of scessibility features
[01:00] <xu-irc90w> great my pc is broke and no help :(
[01:01] <xu-irc90w> ubunto i couldnt get to work like i coundnt get linux other stuff to work , its so confussing not easy at all
[01:01] <tomreyn> i'm tired, maybe we can give this another try in some 10 or so hours
[01:01] <xu-irc90w> on a fixed income cant afford anew pc 
[01:01] <xu-irc90w> when this one dies im done with the inter net 
[01:02] <xu-irc90w> your were of no help 
[01:02] <xu-irc90w> is there some who can help
[01:02] <tomreyn> okay, i'm retreating said offer, have a nice life.
[01:03] <xu-irc90w> i cant tell but i think you were rude to me 
[01:03] <xu-irc90w> ok any one else of any help or is it just like every time i need help its crickets some comunity 
[01:05] <xu-irc90w> goddamn liars all of the nurotypicals have made this world nuthing but hell fuck you all
[01:05] <xu-irc90w> thats for fucking my computer up and not oferany help 
[01:05] <xu-irc90w> fuck all the nurotypicals 
[01:31] <xu-irc44w> can i get real help not bull shit like last time linux fucked my pc 
[01:32] <xu-irc44w> now i have to boot and press f11
[01:32] <xu-irc44w> linux fucked my pc i need real help
[01:55] <W7> i am trying to install pip on xubuntu 21.10 using apt because it is missing and i get this error https://pastebin.com/yMBhWGcq
[01:57] <tomreyn> if you prefer downloading from the web you should disable (comment out) the "cdrom" lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:00] <W7> thanks I fixed it
[15:58] <xu-irc43w> hello
[15:59] <xu-irc43w> new to xubuntu
[15:59] <xu-irc43w> whenever i open fonts from applications menu, system becomes unresponsive
[15:59] <xu-irc43w> anyone here facing this same issue ?
[16:15] <xu-irc43w> is there a open bug on this  ?
[16:21] <Mekaneck> xu-irc43w: try searching launchpad for bug reports
[16:23] <xu-irc43w> ok
[16:25] <xu-irc43w> i dont have launchpad accounts
[16:25] <xu-irc43w> is there any open urls to find bug reports
[16:26] <xu-irc43w> got it https://bugs.launchpad.net
[16:28] <GridCloud> something like this xu-irc43w ? https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=14659
[16:28] <GridCloud> this person seemed to have a faulty drive tho
[16:29] <GridCloud> what application is the one failing xu-irc43w ?
[16:47] <xu-irc43w> fonts
[16:47] <xu-irc43w> one that in Accessories
[16:52] <GridCloud> xu-irc43w: have you tried loggin in as guest and see if the problem persists?
[16:52] <xu-irc43w> i haven't tried that
[16:53] <xu-irc43w> But tried with multiple times with same account, still issue persist
[16:54] <xu-irc43w> This is fresh os
[17:00] <sophie> i tried it just now on 20.04. it certainly works my computer for a moment. takes a while to come up and uses some ram
[17:01] <sophie> could it be it needs more resources than you have
[17:01] <sophie> in fact. i just minimised the fonts application to type here, and now it wont come back up. does seem to be an issue there
[17:02] <sophie> also could try turning off compositing in window manager tweaks. having that on has given me weird issues like this, and the system seems stabler with it off
[17:06] <xu-irc43w> Looks like a prebuilt issue
[17:56] <xu-irc43w> Turning off compositor, helps
[17:56] <xu-irc43w> After turning off compositor in settings, now able to open fonts app.
[17:57] <xu-irc43w> sophie you are right, turning off compositor fonts app opens without issues.
[17:57] <sophie> :) glad it's sorted!
[17:57] <xu-irc43w> GridCloud its issues with compositor
[17:58] <xu-irc43w> sophie yeah, thanks.
[17:58] <GridCloud> mmm
[17:58] <GridCloud> weird
[17:59] <GridCloud> what release are you using?
[18:00] <xu-irc43w> 5.11.0-38-generic #42~20.04.1-Ubuntu
[18:01] <GridCloud> question, do you have a .fonts folder in your ~/ directory?
[18:02] <xu-irc43w> let me have a quick look, wait pls
[18:02] <GridCloud> though if composition helped the problem is probably with rendering some font under composition 
[18:03] <xu-irc43w> GridCloud nope .fonts folder is not there
[18:03] <GridCloud> interesting so it's not a custom font 
[18:03] <xu-irc43w> ok
[18:07] <xu-irc43w> is this really needed ? command: fc-cache -f -v
[18:08] <GridCloud> i don't know what that does
[18:08] <xu-irc43w> rebuilding the font information
[18:09] <xu-irc43w> just got from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fonts
[18:10] <GridCloud> oh i think that just rebuilds the cache list of fonts 
[18:10] <GridCloud> so it would display the font name on drop down lists when you install a new font
[18:10] <xu-irc43w> ok
[18:12] <GridCloud> try re-enabling composition and see if the crash happens on some of those drop down lists? like in libreoffice? 
[18:12] <GridCloud> or when you choose a font on the xfce4-terminal? 
[18:14] <GridCloud> you could also try to launch gnome-font-viewer from a terminal and see the crash report?
[18:14] <xu-irc43w> ok wait
[18:16] <xu-irc43w> crap, now it opening without issue, turned on compositor, now fonts app opens without issue
[18:16] <xu-irc43w> ?!!! confused
[18:16] <GridCloud> ah
[18:17] <GridCloud> yes good old magic
[18:17] <xu-irc43w> But !! what i have done ? what could be the issue here
[18:17] <GridCloud> no idea
[18:18] <GridCloud> maybe a font wasn't rendering properly, maybe re enabling it reseted soemthing that was being stubborn, maybe the gods smile at you
[18:20] <xu-irc43w> :)
[18:24] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: the kernel version you posted seems to suggest you're on xubuntu 21.04 "hirsute" - note that 21.10 is released and you have 2 months left to upgrade.
[18:24] <tomreyn> *3 months
[18:28] <xu-irc43w> tomreyn oh i installed this xubuntu today, the link provided in LTS is this, will check and upgrade to next LTS.
[18:29] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: i was just guessing based on your kernel version - but the version i mentioned is not an LTS release
[18:29] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: lsb_release -ds   will print what you have
[18:29] <tomreyn> there is also /etc/os-release
[18:30] <tomreyn> i'm sorry, i missed the "20.04.1-Ubuntu" part. apparently you're using a 20.04 HWE kernel image
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> NAME="Ubuntu"
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> VERSION="20.04.3 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> ID=ubuntu
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> ID_LIKE=debian
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS"
[18:32] <xu-irc43w> VERSION_ID="20.04"
[18:32] <tomreyn> !paste | xu-irc43w 
[18:33] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: so if you're on 20.04 LTS (and don't want to move away from an LTS release) then you shouldn't upgrade, yet
[18:33] <xu-irc43w> ok
[18:33] <tomreyn> because there is no newer LTS release, yet - that will be 22.04 in 04/2022 (thus the version name).
[18:41] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: if you wanted to get a better idea of what went wrong with the fonts, you could read your system logs: journalctl -b
[18:42] <tomreyn> (but this is where almost everything logs to, so it's pretty crammy)
[18:43] <xu-irc43w> where this logs stays in ?
[18:47] <xu-irc43w> is this '/var/log/syslog' ?
[18:54] <xu-irc43w> tomreyn here is the log with regard to fonts app crashing will this help ? https://pastebin.com/2wV70rmX
[18:58] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: these logs are stored in a database (which gets automatically shorted regularly to not take too much disk space) in /var/log/journal
[18:59] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: it does tell us that the font viewer really crashed, i.e. the program got closed because it programmatically failed
[19:26] <xu-irc43w> tomreyn Thanks for the help
[19:27] <tomreyn> xu-irc43w: you're welcome 
[22:14] <W7> is there a way to make autonomous updates on xubuntu update to xubuntu not ubuntu because my laptop is not able to run ubuntu and it is causing me trouble
[22:21] <krytarik> W7: Regardless of what exactly you mean by "update", it won't transform the install to Ubuntu to begin with.