[17:07] <_nohup_> I just installed ubuntu 20.04.3, and apparently there some problems with it's repository. With a cean, new install, you can't install g++ and many other packages because of dependency issues:
[17:07] <_nohup_>  g++ : Depends: g++-9 (>= 9.3.0-3~) but it is not going to be installed
[17:08] <_nohup_> Is this a known problem and is there a way to change the sources in order to be able to install software?
[17:10] <_nohup_> Hang on, I lied. I did install openssd-server, screen, vim and nvidia drivers (using apt-get). Obviously I'd still consider this a bug in the repo, but maybe it clarifies some things.
[17:11] <ravage> https://p.haxxors.com/h3re8uuq.txt
[17:11] <ravage> fresh container. no problems
[17:12] <_nohup_> Interesting
[17:13] <ravage> 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04 is the package i install
[17:13] <ravage> so maybe you just miss a apt update
[17:14] <_nohup_> I just installed ubuntu-20.04.3-desktop-amd64.iso and did an update/ugrade right after.
[17:15] <coconut> _nohup_, did you try to 'apt update' before 'apt install <package>'?
[17:15] <_nohup_> Of course
[17:15] <_nohup_> Well, apt-get, because I'm old and grey
[17:16] <_nohup_> I'm used to package conflicts years after installation, not after installation :)
[17:18] <ravage> you can try aptitude
[17:18] <ravage> it is usually a bit more aggressive with resolving conficts
[17:18] <matthewcroughan6> all my snap apps have broken upon a reboot, there is no hard disk failure, debugging for about an hour. The problem that I always hit when trying to reinstall apps is something like: - Run configure hook of "discord" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot snap-exec: open /snap/discord/130/meta/snap.yaml: permission denied)
[17:18] <matthewcroughan6> any advice?
[17:19] <_nohup_> Nah. I'll just reinstall the VM and maybe not do an upgrade right after. I don't want to start off with a messed up package repo. It tends to get worse in the future
[17:20] <_nohup_> I'll log each line I type in order for anyone to reproduce it
[17:23] <cbreak> I've tried both Thunderbird and KOrganizer, and both seem to struggle with google calendar integration
[17:23] <Guest77> @cbreak i have the same problem...
[17:23] <cbreak> especially with my work account, where I have several calendars of my coworkers, in addition to my own
[17:24] <cbreak> so far, korganizer seems to be worse, it actually crashed a few times, and both calendars and events disappeared
[17:24] <cbreak> thunderbird also spits out errors sometimes, and I think it deleted a few of my events from the upstream calendar
[17:25] <cbreak> so far, the only reliable way seems to be the web interface, but that one is also inconvenient
[17:25] <cbreak> I am thinking of sticking with thunderbird, but I'm not entirely happy with it. Anyone got any better suggestion? :(
[17:26] <cbreak> (Oh, in thunderbird I was able to set all calendars to read-only, which stopped the errors / deletion of events
[17:26] <cbreak> not optimal, but ... better than nothing :/
[17:29] <nikolam> Maybe I should be thankful for OOM killer now actaully kills Firefox at some moment, instead of whole machine locking like before..
[17:30] <_nohup_> OOM is your friend if it picks the right victim :)
[17:34] <cbreak> if you're running oom, something else must have gone seriously wrong
[17:34] <GrandPa-G> I have a mail setup on 16.x ubuntu using postfix (I am sure) and now moved to azure 20.4. The old setup works fine. I tried to copy the new the same. It uses gmail as the smtp server in both cases on 587. The new one gets authentication erros. Anyone want to try to help me?
[17:34] <cbreak> I'd expect programs to get allocation failures before you actually run out of memory
[17:35] <cbreak> at least if you have sufficient swap space for buffering
[17:37] <holgersson> GrandPa-G: Not really, but I would look for TLS vs. STARTTLS. Maybe defaults changed in used crypto libs (openssl).
[17:38] <cbreak> does gmail even accept normal authentication anymore these days?
[17:38] <cbreak> instead of oauth / application passphrases?
[17:39] <holgersson> I don't know.
[17:39] <akshayan> i think they do
[17:39] <tomreyn> only if you enable it in the account settings, at least that's how it was ~ 2 years ago
[17:39] <holgersson> GrandPa-G: Side note in case you didn't hear that already: MS added a config daemon in azure linux VMs and left the config "open" to the world and did all of that without a notice to the admins.
[17:39] <tomreyn> but then, thunderbird also supports the auth login
[17:39] <tomreyn> *oauth
[17:40] <GrandPa-G> as I said, it works find on old system now.
[17:40] <GrandPa-G> find -> fine
[17:41] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: what doe those authentication error say, though, and how is authentication set up on the ubuntu side?
[17:42] <holgersson> wrt auth: Google only says TLS (and a static IP, but I assume azure VMs have them): https://support.google.com/a/answer/176600?hl=en
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> status=deferred (SASL authentication failed; server smtp.gmail.com[142.250.99.108] said: 534-5.7.14 <https://accounts.google.com/signin/continue?sarp=1&scc=1&plt=AKgnsbu?534-5.7.14 Wa9YzrfnBRblS2aNVs2oCvvTLFM3DvTQK20pRJgX4xAyq5AWcSTffCDhHFF0HEsBmY2ck?534-5.7.14 VB-HUvCEEd3kng6Uiu5kGnFQX40oP87ZfLDdUY4nkcnnuNL_GCFNY9X3i4q-72CK>?534-5.7.14 Please log in via your web browser and then try again.?534-5.7.14  Learn more at?534 5.7.14
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/78754 b10sm16960025pfl.200 - gsmtp)
[17:43] <GrandPa-G> error in syslog
[17:43] <tomreyn> GrandPa-G: and signing in there once does not seem to fix it?
[17:44] <GrandPa-G> I don't think so. I signed into the account that is being used as the user/password for smtp. I can always try again.
[17:44] <tomreyn> the better option would be to use an "app password", though, i guess. see the second link in the error message
[17:45] <tomreyn> there's also #google here, i think (since this seems to be more of a "how do i authenticate to this non ubuntu service" question)
[17:47] <GrandPa-G> just seems strange one works and the other doesn't. I did just sign in again, no change. I will head over to #google. Thanks
[17:49] <tomreyn> good luck.
[18:00] <GrandPa-G> #google has almost noone there
[18:10] <blinux> Should it take like 30+ minutes to install Libfreoffice on an old laptop 10+ years old?
[18:10] <blinux> Also, I did a search in Discover and it only saw the snap. I installed from terminal from the deb.
[18:10] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: that depends on a few factors
[18:11] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: spinner hd or ssd? apt or snap libreoffice? specs of your laptop?
[18:11] <blinux> I'm easily 10+ minutes into the install and it is only 23% progress. It has an HDD only and A6 Vision Quad Core CPU.
[18:12] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: wich flavour of ubuntu are you on?
[18:12] <blinux> I did the apt install.
[18:12] <blinux> I'm using KDE Neon.
[18:13] <tomreyn> how much ram does this system have installed?
[18:13] <blinux> The Kubuntu didn't have the Calamares installer and could not detect the boot partition.
[18:14] <blinux> It has around 5/6gb of ram
[18:14] <tomreyn> oh you're not using an ubuntu flavour, then i don't think we can support here
[18:15] <blinux> Oh, it seems to be going very fast now. It went from about 30% to 90% in two minutes.
[18:15] <tomreyn> you can try #linux or the kde neon channel, if there is one
[18:15] <blinux> Now it is 99%
[18:16] <blinux> Yeah, OK. KDE Neon is very close to Kubuntu.
[18:16] <tomreyn> not close enough for us to support it here
[18:16] <tomreyn> !flavors | blinux
[18:16] <blinux> It has me join this channel by default from Hexchat after installing Hexchat.
[18:17] <blinux> It calls it the Ubuntu server too, even though it is Libera. The package is configured that way.
[18:17] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: does neon have a help docs pointing to this channel?
[18:17] <lotuspsychje__> to the community support of ubuntu?
[18:19] <matthewcroughan6> anyone got the time to ook into my issue with snap that I posted above
[18:19] <matthewcroughan6> or do I have to nuke and start again?
[18:19] <blinux> It looks like the Help program and website does not direct to IRC at all. There is a KDE channel though and I have been asking things there too.
[18:20] <blinux> It finished installing though.
[18:20] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: seems like kde neon points to kde support channels yeah
[18:20] <tomreyn> blinux: so try getting support there, please, we'll be happy to support with your ubuntu flavour, once you run one.
[18:20] <blinux> Where do you see that?
[18:20] <blinux> I will. thanks
[18:21] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: feel free to re-ask your question, new volunteers might have joined to help
[18:21] <lotuspsychje__> blinux: https://neon.kde.org/
[18:21] <matthewcroughan6> all my snap apps have broken upon a reboot, there is no hard disk failure, debugging for about an hour. The problem that I always hit when trying to reinstall apps is something like: - Run configure hook of "discord" snap if present (run hook "configure": cannot snap-exec: open /snap/discord/130/meta/snap.yaml: permission denied)
[18:22] <lotuspsychje__> on wich ubuntu release matthewcroughan6 ?
[18:22] <matthewcroughan6> 20.04.3
[18:23] <lotuspsychje__> maybe ogra if he's around^^
[18:25] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: did you do anything special before it broke on reboot?
[18:25] <matthewcroughan6> nope
[18:25] <lotuspsychje__> updates of any kind?
[18:27] <matthewcroughan6> Its a friends computer, its possible that they did, but why should that corrupt snap?
[18:28] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: thats what we try to investigate, can you pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log please perhaps more clues there?
[18:30] <matthewcroughan6> https://termbin.com/m285
[18:32] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: this could be relevant 2021-10-24 18:12:52 upgrade snapd:amd64 2.51.1+20.04ubuntu2 2.51.1+20.04ubuntu2
[18:33] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: maybe bug #1943853
[18:35] <lotuspsychje__> !info snapd focal
[18:38] <lotuspsychje__> matthewcroughan6: #26 suggests they made a fix for that on 2.52
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> great1
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> thanks for the advice, automated breakage is never fun
[18:38] <matthewcroughan6> going to try NixOS on their system at some point, avoid that in future
[18:39] <onelegend> oh heyyy
[18:39] <onelegend> I know you matthewcroughan6
[18:40] <onelegend> I saw your stream on twitch
[18:40] <momken> hello
[18:40] <matthewcroughan6> onelegend o/
[18:40] <momken> How could I install activemq on Ubuntu??
[18:40] <momken> I did 'sudo apt install activemq' but its web interface doesn't come
[18:44] <momken> Hello?
[18:45] <momken> Is activemq ubuntu package recommended to install?
[18:45] <tomreyn> !patience | momken
[18:46] <tomreyn> momken: what i can tell you is that activemq is in the universe repository, which contains community maintained packages - it may not get the same level of treatment as packages in 'main' would.
[18:46] <tomreyn> *may*
[18:48] <tomreyn> momken: if the package you installed does not provide the expected functionality (you mentioned a web management interface), i'd refer to its documentation to verify the package actually provides this functionality, in the way you expect. other than that, you could check the developer website to learn what they suggest for how to install on ubuntu.
[18:48] <tomreyn> finally, there's also the bug tracker you could check for related reports: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/activemq/+bugs
[20:30] <jcbjoe2021> Guys if I have the kernel source the patches and the .confit file already how do I compile it? I’d I make menuconfig won’t it create a new .config ?
[20:47] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what are the patches for?
[20:58] <jcbjoe2021> jeremy31: running Ubuntu on my Mac
[20:59] <yukiup> natively?
[21:00] <yukiup> no emulation?
[21:02] <jcbjoe2021> Natively 😀
[21:05] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what do tbe patches do?
[21:06] <jcbjoe2021> jeremy31: WiFi backlight Ethernet etc..
[21:07] <jeremy31> There are times where you are better off just patching and compiling a single module rather than the whole kernel
[21:07] <jeremy31> jcbjoe2021: what wifi and ethernet?
[21:10] <tomreyn> and which mac model exactly?
[21:10] <jcbjoe2021> Mbp mid 2018
[21:11] <jeremy31> Broadcom wifi most likely
[21:18] <tomreyn> there's https://github.com/marcosfad/mbp-ubuntu - but it's for macbook pro 16.1, and i haven't looked at the code.
[23:21] <rwinner> Really lovin mutt slrn and irssi....
[23:30] <jcbjoe2021> I’ve always had a thing for mutt but never figured it out
[23:31] <matsaman> yeah I remember liking mutt
[23:32] <matsaman> don't use email much anymore, except for work
[23:32] <matsaman> and work always uses exchange
[23:32] <matsaman> and it gets complicated to use email where everyone assumes an exchange-oriented email client
[23:32] <matsaman> stupid exchange