[00:54] <rwinner> I was wondering if IRC channel has seen a drop off in activity as browser based support has increased?
[00:55] <oerheks> 'browser based irc support' ?
[00:55] <oerheks> that is not new
[00:56] <ravage> and also totally off topic -> #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:21] <krishna-ubuntu> dofaq satour usmila bablouse
[01:21] <krishna-ubuntu> hoa ,kurashik, potassi pirat?
[01:22] <eletious> o/
[01:23] <krishna-ubuntu> why? why? why?
[01:24] <eletious> I'm running an AMD 5600xt and I'm running into issues with 1440p and 4k displays - for whatever reason I'm only able to push at 30hz, even though the card should _definitely_ support higher than that.  Other machines are able to push the full resolution at speed, so I think this is a driver issue, but it's unclear what I can do
[01:27] <eletious> Is there any kind of driver ecosystem I can shop around in like there is with nvidia?
[01:32] <ravage> eletious: https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-5600-series/amd-radeon-rx-5600-series/amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt
[01:33] <ravage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMDGPU-Driver
[01:35] <Bashing-om> eletious: There is not much else as the driver is included in the kernel, However AMD does provide a proprietary overlay that is of some value in some use cases. Is the kernel driver loaded ? what shows for the driver ' sudo lshw -C display ' ?
[01:38] <eletious> let me check!
[01:46] <eletious> It's showing me the GPU as expected - the driver is amdgpu too
[01:48] <Bashing-om> eletious: Inly other thing I know to check is what the GPU manager thinks. ' cat /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' .
[01:52] <eletious> it lists several displayport outputs that is skips over, but it lists the HDMI output I'm using
[01:52] <eletious> couldn't access any prime settings, but that's that nvidia thing right?
[01:53] <Bashing-om> eletious: No errors - then will be difficult to know. What DE are you using " wayland or X11 ?
[01:54] <eletious> I'm using x11 GNOME - I can tell because if I run xeyes it follows the mouse, even if I'm not over a window
[01:59] <Bashing-om> eletious: Called away - I be back in a bit.
[02:02] <eletious> Bashing-om: No worries!  I've got to do some maintenance, so I'll be heading out, but I'll keep trying stuff in the meantime.  Thanks for helping!
[03:55] <en1gma> last night close to this time someone sent me a link to a guide on how to use a dedicated gpu with no output connected over the onboard igpu hdmi connected to tv. it used the gpu but over the igpu. i think the link was for fake/dummy gpu. i formatted my system and lost my favorites
[03:55] <en1gma> could you please post that link to the guide please.
[03:57] <en1gma> this is for a desktop but i want it to act like a laptop with hybrid graphics like with optimus. a laptop with onboard gpu and a dedicated gpu can use just one output and i think uses optimus for intel and nvidia combo
[03:58] <en1gma> right now i do have just a resistor in the dvi connector and it does make it show up but i think there is a better way and that is with the fake/dummy link to guide
[04:00] <en1gma> i had to format last night because when i tried to install the driver for nvidia gts 250 (proprietary) my system would not boot. something got screwed up
[04:05] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Last night's log ' https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/10/23/%23ubuntu.txt ' ,
[04:06] <en1gma> thanks. checking now
[04:06] <en1gma> Bashing-om link dont work for me
[04:08] <Bashing-om> en1gma: xhecking :( lemme see what is not.
[04:08] <en1gma> im on the site i just took off the ending and am browsing but dont see this channel yet
[04:13] <Bashing-om> en1gma: The log is UTC, you may have to correlate to your local time then.
[04:14] <Bashing-om> en1gma: I do not know what is wrong with that ups link - looks same as what I re-did: https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/10/24/%23ubuntu.txt .
[04:19] <en1gma> Bashing-om that looks much better. thanks. will try and convert time. im central time in usa which i think is gmt -6 or something
[04:20] <en1gma> wait. for the 23rd it not there
[04:24] <Bashing-om> en1gma: Yup, verified is a server issue for the 23rd log entry :(
[05:16] <mint> Hello
[05:16] <server> hello
[05:16] <Rick_sysop> Hello .. sorry if i disturb. i have a question regarding Android Tool -- Distro regarding Android Factory reset
[05:17] <Rick_sysop> Is there any Distro or any tool, that can be used for Android devices in order to completely Wipe.. Lock Screen,  Pin Code.  a way to factory reset Android devices.?
[05:18] <server> i have no idea
[05:22] <alkisg> Rick_sysop: there's an option for that inside android settings; unrelated to ubuntu
[05:22] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: are you refering to "Enable USB Debbuging from within -- Developer options)  And yes.. i know this is by default Disabled
[05:22] <alkisg> Rick_sysop: no, I'm referring to the "reset to factory defaults"
[05:23] <alkisg> Rick_sysop: example: https://www.samsung.com/za/support/mobile-devices/how-to-perform-factory-reset-on-android-smartphone/
[05:23] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: aah okay.. well i'm asking looking for a solution how i can achive a factory reset from outside.. meaning .. how can i build / attach a PC a machine ONLY only to wire Android devices to it.. and from that PC factory reset the portable devices. No matter Phone or Tablet.. just Android reset.
[05:23] <alkisg> While if you're talking about an Android phone that you don't have access to, I doubt any channel will help you as that would be the same as hacking a phone (even if it's yours)
[05:24] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: sometimes .. i scavenge functioning products .. only with either a Lock pattern or a Pin Code.. meaning previous owner disabandonned threw away their device without actually erase it's content ...
[05:25] <alkisg> Yeah, the answer to that question is the same as the answer to "how can I hack a phone?"
[05:25] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: yes good example.. and yes you are grasping it.
[05:25] <alkisg> Some phones have procedures for outside flashing, but it depends on the phone; that part isn't related to #ubuntu either; it's more on-topic for #android
[05:26] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: but i'm not asking HOW to do this because of ill will.. i'm asking this because sometimes sometimes .. people tend to visit me come to me with their broken Phone or broken LCD .. (And the worst thing i know is that when they do.. they don't have spare parts for explicit that) n'or they don't have the understanding of before talking asking me .. "Could you help me copy .. backup or export my
[05:26] <Rick_sysop> digital Data from inside) My physical device is broken and can't be manouvered..
[05:30] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: yeah i know it's off topic. but just asking .. if there's any open or free procedure on how to manouver .. how to erase digital System for Android products..
[05:30] <Rick_sysop> No matter if LCD touch is broke or it could be manouver.. just want to be able to erase content.
[05:31] <rk4> if you're serious about erasing physical means are typical
[05:31] <alkisg> Rick_sysop: offtopic means two things (1) we can't discuss it here, and (2) most people here don't know about that and you're supposed to go to another channel with people that know about that, like #android
[05:32] <alkisg> It doesn't mean "ok I know but let's discuss it anyway..."
[05:35] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: okay. sorry for beeing off-topic.
[05:36] <alkisg> 👍️
[05:36]  * themill wonders in how many other channels Rick_sysop needs to have the exact same discussion about it being offtopic
[05:36] <Rick_sysop> rk4: yes i am serious. and i'm not asking this for ill-will i'm simply asking this to make my day to day easier.. and specially when people from outside tend to contact me with Either one or the other question.
[05:38] <Rick_sysop> rk4: In example .. 1 scenario is .. someone come to me with a broken LCD touch .. they come because they belive and think i can help export transfer their digital data stuck inside their broken physicall device... ofc i can't  (Most of them are stupid not precautios meaning they didn't manually enable USB debugging n'or enable Developer options - BEFORE BEFORE the actual accident happens)
[05:39] <Rick_sysop> rk4: 2 scenario .. is  Someone or me myself .. scavenge or recive donated machines .. products that has been found or scavenged outside .. meaning The initial owner .. the person who disabandonend their machine didn't erase or delete all their data before throwing their physical object away .. meaning i am collecting and having in possession physcal devices which i can't manouver or make use of.
[05:40] <alkisg> How can I create a nuclear bomb? I don't plan to use it, I just want to protect my country by scaring other countries that may want to attack us. I will write the documentation in Ubuntu, that's why I'm asking here. :P :D
[05:41] <Rick_sysop> alkisg: well ...  that's a precautionary way of seeing it.
[05:41] <Rick_sysop> pre-caution *
[05:41] <oerheks> AFAIK there is no android tool to wipe your machine...
[05:41] <oerheks> big hammer will do
[05:43] <Rick_sysop> oerheks: no Distro no way of outside ( Just using a PC and USB cable) to achive?
[05:43] <Rick_sysop> oerheks: Digitally - erase .. not physically break. *
[05:43] <oerheks> dunno, not on linux anyway, try #android ?
[05:49] <webchat54> Hey, quick question: I want to use the rofi headers in the latest release. We ship rofi-dev 1.5.4 and I need 1.7. Is there an issue with me taking the rofi files that are used as headers (https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/arm64/rofi-dev/filelist) and manually updating the files?
[05:49] <webchat54> Am I gonna break anything?
[05:51] <oerheks> webchat54, let us know when it does?
[05:52] <webchat54> lol
[05:52] <webchat54> of course
[05:52] <oerheks> ubuntu is still at 1.5 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rofi
[05:52] <webchat54> rofi-dev is already the newest version (1.5.4-1).
[05:52] <oerheks> snap gives 1.6 https://snapcraft.io/rofi-snap
[05:53] <webchat54> How much work is it to update it in apt?
[05:53] <webchat54> (I don't know too much about the apt submission process)
[05:53] <oerheks> get the deb, run dpkg -i <deb> .. you might want to uninstall the current one to be sure
[05:54] <webchat54> no, no, I have an updated binary already
[05:54] <webchat54> I'm missing the development headerrs
[05:54] <webchat54> $ rofi -version
[05:54] <webchat54> Version: 1.7.0-48-git-06bb72d3-dirty (next)
[05:54] <webchat54> I just have out of date dev headers: rofi-dev is already the newest version (1.5.4-1).
[05:55] <webchat54> There is no deb file that has them (to the best of my knowledge)
[06:32] <swensson> So I might have messed up. Trying to edit a file in a .vdi file, after mounting, doing the changes and then unmounting, when booting the virtualbox guest the changes I made have not taken affect, Anyone know any solution for this?
[06:36] <alkisg> swensson: more details are needed, e.g. how did you mount the .vdi, if there are snapshots etc; also if you can boot the guest why don't you modify it in-place?
[06:50] <Guest88> Hey guys, can anyone help me figure out why "/dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-ubuntu--lv" is 200gb and I'm getting "no space left on device" ? there's barely anything on the server.
[06:56] <oerheks> used inodes, most likely
[06:57] <oerheks> df # gives free space; df -i # gives available inodes
[07:01] <ThatDamnLetiStar> So I need some help, I have a sabrent external hard drive that I think I might have accidentally unmounted? I remember unmounting it to move it and now ubuntu you didn't recognize it. I'm not very good with the command line how do I mount external hard drive? I hope it is all my data can somebody help
[07:02] <rk4> plugging it in and checking `dmesg` and `lsblk` is a decent start
[07:02] <ThatDamnLetiStar> ok hang on
[07:03] <ThatDamnLetiStar> What am I supposed to be seeing
[07:04] <ThatDamnLetiStar> Damn there's a lot of output from dmesg
[07:05] <oerheks> open disks, select disk from left pane, and check smart ... also our wiki; https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/disk-repair.html
[07:05] <rk4> dmesg output is in chronological order so if you just plugged it in it'll be the last few lines
[07:06] <ThatDamnLetiStar> Disks doesn't give me any options it just says no media
[07:07] <ThatDamnLetiStar> It recognizes as sabrent but no options and it says no media
[07:29] <zrzn> what
[08:05] <kylin> hello
[08:05] <talismanick> bye
[08:20] <zph1nx> Hi, is there a way to have netplan configure an interface even without a carrier?
[08:22] <TJ-> zph1nx: only if the underlying network management tool (NetworkManager or systemd-networkd) can, and only then if netplan exposes that functionality
[08:24] <zph1nx> TJ-: im trying to set up this functionality because our system has additional hardware connected to it that needs assigned ips even if there is no carrier. We use netplan with networkamanger as a backend. Seems this does not configure any network type connection files o nthe system that is editable?
[08:49] <fozei> what is this for
[08:57] <zaggynl> fozei_: what? IRC?
[08:58] <fozei_> every msg here is logged?
[09:00] <zaggynl> good question, I would guess for general support purposes
[09:01] <jelly> fozei_: yes, https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[09:02] <fozei_> so many thanks,this is my first time touch IRC chat
[09:02] <jelly> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/10/25/%23ubuntu.html for this channel and today in particular
[09:04] <fozei_> fantastic
[09:05] <fozei_> are all channel logged or only some channel logged ???
[09:10] <fozei_> 叽里旮旯儿
[09:10] <mgedmin> only some channels are logged
[09:10] <lotuspsychje> !logs | fozei_
[09:10] <mgedmin> fozei_: https://libera.chat/policies/#public-logging
[09:34] <camper> Hello ... Can someone tell me how I install this patch in Ubuntu (I have sound problems)https://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=297559&action=edit
[09:55] <lotuspsychje> camper: before applying a patch, best to share your specific issue into this channel, maybe volunteers might know the solution or ubuntu bug ID
[10:26] <JanC> apparently the speakers in that laptop have their own built-in amplifiers which have to be enabled and/or have their own volume settings...?
[10:28] <ham5urg> Is there already a way to log onto a wayland desktop?
[10:29] <cbreak> ham5urg: select it on the login screen
[10:29] <ham5urg> cbreak, sorry I forgot to write "remotely"
[10:29] <JanC> what do you mean by "remotely"?
[10:29] <mgedmin> jelly: your bug seems to be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1939052
[10:29] <cbreak> ... no idea :/ ssh? vnc? x forwarding?
[10:30] <ham5urg> remotely login onto the desktop, VNC-alike.
[10:30] <cbreak> I don't think wayland has the same client server architecture as x, so you'd have to use x forwarding with x fallback, not wayland, to go that route
[10:30] <ham5urg> Ok, thanks.
[10:30] <cbreak> remote desktop like might work... technically, I don't know if there's software that does that.
[10:30] <mgedmin> jelly: there's an updated kernel package in the -proposed component, try it and report back please
[10:31] <jelly> mgedmin: you're highlighting the wrong person, I think
[10:31] <heller> hey guys, any ideas what can go wrong when updating ubuntu 16 to 20? its only runnin an openvpn server
[10:32] <JanC> should have highlighted camper I think
[10:32] <mgedmin> yes I am!  camper was the one I wanted to ping
[10:32] <mgedmin> camper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1939052 mentions that an updated kernel to fix the sound issue is available in -proposed
[10:32] <mgedmin> and I can't even blame IRC nick-completion for this one
[10:33] <JanC> heller: very little probably; maybe check if anything important changed between the OpenVPN versions
[10:35] <lotuspsychje_> heller lts update from 16.04 needs a 18.04 in between, but 16.04 is eol unless you got ESM?
[10:35] <JanC> which is a good reason to upgrade  :)
[10:36] <JanC> (or enable ESM if you didn't already)
[10:36] <heller> esM?
[10:37] <heller> ESM*
[10:37] <JanC> Extended Support
[10:37] <heller> ofc  i'll be doing a 18 inbetween :)
[10:37] <JanC> normally you get 5y support on LTS, with ESM you get 5 years more
[10:37] <JanC> it's part of support contracts normally, but you can use it for free for personal use on a small number of computers
[10:39] <JanC> still, upgrading might be a good idea, security-wise, unless you really need an old version of OpenVPN for some reason...
[10:39] <heller> nope
[10:39] <heller> just wondering that do i have to worry that devices cant connect anymore
[10:41] <JanC> heller: in theory it's possible that some very old device that you can't upgrade can't connect because it only supports ancient encryption methods that are now deprecated
[10:41] <JanC> that's why I said checking documentation about the newer versions
[10:42] <JanC> but deprecated encryption usually means it's not secure, so...
[10:42] <JanC> deprecated/removed
[10:47] <cbreak> heller: you can just make a backup, upgrade, and if it breaks, and you don't have the time to debug / fix the issue, roll back :)
[10:48] <heller> cbreak: will try that
[10:48] <heller> sounds like there might not be any issues
[11:00] <iomari891> greetings, is gnome-pie still functional? I have it installed on plasma but when I activate it, it's not visible. Only the preferences are vissible.
[11:18] <PMunch> Hmm, I have an Ubuntu server that doesn't want to boot with any kernel past 5.4.0-80. 5.4.0-81 and above it just stalls during boot and spits out error messages looking for btrfs (which I'm not using) and a partial panic.
[11:22] <tarzeau> PMunch: x86_64? what year is the hardware from?
[11:22] <tarzeau> PMunch: what with 5.13.0-19 ?
[11:23] <PMunch> x86_64 yes. Not exactly sure what the underlying hardware is as it's running virtually in a cluster
[11:24] <PMunch> And I've only tried the 5.4 kernel branch
[11:25] <tarzeau> is anyone else besides my users having trouble using multiple logins to gnome, the 2nd login failing with just a black desktop and mouse cursor? (we've got local x displays and xorgxrdp+xrdp)
[11:25] <tarzeau> the problem is only with GNOME, window maker, and everything else works of course
[11:26] <mgedmin> 2nd login of a different user, or 2nd login with the same user account?
[11:26] <wingphone> Idk
[11:26] <tarzeau> 2nd login of the same user
[11:26] <wingphone> 😂
[11:26] <mgedmin> many components of the desktop stack assume at most one GUI session per user
[11:26] <tarzeau> mgedmin: that's only GNOME afaik
[11:26] <tarzeau> mgedmin: can i tell them to drop their assumption somehow easily?
[11:27] <mgedmin> no
[11:27] <Guest35> Hey everyone, my persistent-live setup takes too long to boot
[11:28] <tarzeau> mgedmin: so i'll try the easiest hack by setting HOME=/to/something/else if there's already gnome related systemd/gnome processes and see what happens
[11:28] <Guest35> Systemd-analyze says  more than 3 min just taken up by udisks2.service
[11:28] <Guest35> How can I fix it?
[11:29] <tarzeau> one can remove udisks2 package... it'll take 0" time
[11:29] <Guest35> Isnt it an essential program?
[11:30] <mgedmin> tarzeau: there's also stuff in /run/user/1000 like dbus sockets, which I think is the main bottleneck?
[11:37] <tarzeau> mgedmin: indeed
[11:38] <tarzeau> no wonder the year of linux on the desktop is far in the future
[11:42] <mgedmin> I rather think multiple simultaneous logins of the same user account are far in the past
[11:42] <mgedmin> although even back then I had trouble with NFS /home and Firefox profile locking
[11:43] <tarzeau> well now with users be local and in homeoffice, they work on a local x session and want to use RDP (with xorgxrdp and xrdp installed)
[11:44] <tarzeau> so i don't think it's something far in the past.
[11:44] <tarzeau> of course they can keep killing their session from the old place, and start a new instance
[11:44] <tarzeau> but that's way cumbersome
[11:47] <mgedmin> wouldn't it be better to connect to the same GUI session over RDP?
[11:47] <tarzeau> yes, that would be even better
[11:47] <mgedmin> I've heard that gnome-remote-desktop supports RDP, but the UI for that is not implemented yet in gnome-control-center so you have to jump through silly hoops to enable it, like it's 1998
[11:48] <tarzeau> but i have yet to find a way of screen -x for xrdp
[11:48] <mgedmin> https://arjenp.dev/RDP/
[11:49] <tarzeau> oh i'm sticking to xorgxrdp/xrdp so users don't use vnc anymore with own passwords... thanks for the link
[11:49] <mgedmin> oh, nice, keyboard support is not supported yet
[11:50] <mgedmin> well, 9 months ago it wasn't supported
[11:54] <mgedmin> me, I'd be happy if I could VNC from my Android phone to my GNOME desktop from time to time
[11:55] <mgedmin> (vino supports only outdated encryption algorithms and that all Android VNC clients have dropped)
[11:56] <tarzeau> vnc is much slower than remote x is much slower than rdp
[11:57] <mgedmin> a thing needs to be working before it can be slower/faster
[11:58] <mgedmin> guess I'm happy I can do my work with vim over ssh
[12:26] <alkisg> Remote X in general is very slow outside of LAN, that's what nomachine nx (and then x2go) address. Me, half of the day I ssh+reverse vnc to work using x11vnc; that also works from android although I haven't done it in a while
[12:28] <tarzeau> alkisg: also rdp! (install xrdp xorgxrdp) and you got RDP for your linux
[12:29] <tarzeau> nomachine nx is without source, and x2go mainly not packaged (client+server), or is it meanwhile?
[12:29] <alkisg> tarzeau: yeah I've been using all of these for ages; xrdp doesn't allow me to use the same screen though, it creates a new desktop so it's not appropriate for me
[12:29] <alkisg> x2go is packaged properly, with good debian support; sunweaver (the current maintainer) uses it professionally in many jobs
[12:30] <alkisg> In their arctica project they even made lightdm-based login managers directly for x2go
[12:32] <tarzeau> alkisg: we've replaced our thin clients with netboot with arm64 debian on raspberry pi btw (linux kiosk, windows rdp, and display)
[12:32] <tarzeau> ^ LTSP that is
[12:33] <alkisg> I'm not sure if your newer solution is still using ltsp or not; if not, how do you netboot them, with piserver?
[12:34] <tarzeau> alkisg: they have micro sd cards, so no netbooting anymore, no ltsp either. it's just a local user with some .xsession magic
[12:35] <tarzeau> (the .xsession magic we had also used with ltsp)
[12:35] <alkisg> Ah I thought the separation of old/new solution was at "our thin clients | with netboot with arm64" while it was at "our thin clients with netboot | with arm64" :D
[12:35] <tarzeau> yup
[12:35] <sbraz> alkisg: i ended up opening a bug after i realised that not only did the initramfs become larger but linux-firmware took 300M on my root partition which is not ideal :) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/1948669
[12:36] <alkisg> sbraz: nice, I just clicked "affects me too" :)
[12:36] <mgedmin> recommend it, maybe, rather than suggest?  makes sense to have it installed by default
[12:36] <alkisg> Recommend, not suggest, yeah
[12:37] <alkisg> The ones that don't want it then could either use --no-install-recommends, or remove it afterwards
[12:38] <sbraz> alkisg: cool! thanks :)
[12:38] <alkisg> tarzeau: you didn't get a chance to try the new ltsp, right?
[12:39] <stephen> Hi guys, I just want to upgrade my linux kernel to the latest version 5.14.14, how could I do that? or is there some kind of hand book from official ubuntu that I didn't find?
[12:41] <tarzeau> alkisg: i think for some reason, the new ltsp wouldn't have worked for us. but i don't remember details... we didn't want fat clients
[12:42] <mgedmin> stephen: maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds will be helpful
[12:42] <stephen> thanks :)
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:01] <zph1nx> So does anyone know if its possible to configure interfaces on a 20.04 system even if there is no carrier for it?
[13:02] <Bardon> Hello, can I open a GUI on a distant server via SSH and have it display on my local computer
[13:03] <Bardon> I have a home server with a GPU in it and I thought it would be nice if I could use this GPU to play with my laptop
[13:04] <leftyfb> Bardon: that's not going to work the way you think
[13:04] <Bardon> leftyfb: Can you explain? :)
[13:05] <JanC> the best way to get that to work is to use VNC or RDP or such to connect to the remote desktop
[13:05] <JanC> especially outside a LAN
[13:05] <leftyfb> you're going to lose way more performance running anything over SSH than you'll be gaining from the local GPU
[13:06] <JanC> anyone know something to classify images (and maybe also some video) using tags/keywords that doesn't depend on a central database but can store its metadata on the same disk/mount as the images are on?
[13:06] <Bardon> leftyfb: Performance as in latency or as in graphical performance? My local laptop wouldn't need much power right? It'd basically be streaming video I suppose
[13:07] <Bardon> JanC: Ok I'll check VNC out!
[13:07] <JanC> VNC, RDP, SPICE; there are many protocols
[13:08] <JanC> NX/x2go also exist but are closed IIRC
[13:08] <tarzeau> i'm looking for something to classify fonts into monospace, sans serif, serif, display, script
[13:08] <JanC> "closed" as in proprietary
[13:09] <Bardon> JanC: Ok, thanks!
[13:11] <JanC> sadly hardware acceleration in Xorg was implemented in a way that doesn't work with remote X
[13:12] <JanC> tarzeau: truetype/opentype fonts have that in their metadata, of course
[13:12] <JanC> I'm pretty sure you are aware of that  :)
[13:13] <tarzeau> JanC: sure? why would google fonts classify 1900 fonts manually then?
[13:13] <JanC> well, they can/should have it in their metadata; I'm sure there are lots of buggy fonts around
[13:14] <JanC> and some fonts might be ambiguous to classify, I guess
[13:15] <tarzeau> JanC: otfinfo --info doesn't tell me, so how do i get that attribute of a non buggy font?
[13:15] <tarzeau> i can easily tell from looking a font if it's monospace or not, if it's sans serif, or serif, script or display
[13:20] <JanC> you can't see from looking at a font that it is really monospace  :)
[13:20] <JanC> and sans-serif vs. serif vs. display can be ambiguous too
[13:23] <tarzeau> JanC: 90% of sans-serif and serif have a complete glyphs set unlike display which is mostly very limited
[13:23] <cbreak> you can do the windows thing and just parse the name. If it contains "Mono", it's a monospace font. If it contains "Sans", it's a sans-serif. This heuristic might actually work sometimes :P
[13:24] <JanC> but there are many fonts that are somewhere in between
[13:25] <tarzeau> i'm fine with a point system, like mguesser does for language guessing
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> stephen: just keep in mind mainline kernels are for testing purposes, not really for daily driver kernels
[13:26] <JanC> I mean, fonts that work if they aren't set at a too small size, but work fine for titles etc., where they might need a full glyph set
[13:27] <JanC> cbreak: that would classify Arial as a serif font?  :)
[13:27] <JanC> (there are actual tables in truetype fonts which Windows uses for this IIRC)
[13:28] <cbreak> JanC: It might have really tiny serifes
[13:28] <JanC> it doesn't
[13:29] <cbreak> prove it :D
[13:29] <JanC> it just doesn't have "Sans" in its name
[13:29] <JanC> but the "tiny serif" is an actual thing with some fonts which might indeed complicate classifications  :)
[13:29] <cbreak> fc-list :mono
[13:30] <cbreak> somehow, fontconfig knows
[13:30] <JanC> a _real_ monospaced font will have the same width for each glyph
[13:30] <JanC> the _exact_ same width
[13:33] <JanC> Panose font info should contain all sorts of info on fonts
[13:34] <JanC> in much more detail than just sans serif vs. serif
[13:34] <tarzeau> how would i extract the panose font info from cli?
[13:34] <JanC> I know FontMatrix can show it
[13:35] <JanC> so maybe you can get an idea from its source code?
[13:36] <JanC> and of course most fonts probably lack it  :-/
[13:36] <nikolam> Bah, Proprietary Anydesk stopped working for me on 21.10 ... Contacted them on sales contact form, for they require customer ID to even report bugs..
[13:43] <tarzeau> fun http://fontmap.ideo.com
[13:44]  * tarzeau reads on at https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/how-to-build-deep-learning-models-for-font-classification-with-tensorflow-cnn-deeper-cnn-hidden-e5a4ef716308
[13:47] <JanC> there are infinite ways to classify fonts  :)
[13:48] <JanC> no AI will ever capture them all
[13:56] <tarzeau> well there is gftools-list-panose and https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/openspecs/windows_protocols/ms-emf/cfb9abd0-a0a4-46df-b782-eb856e19a5d3
[14:36] <lbracher> Hi there! I always had a problem on cron that I would like to know if you have answers: When I create a line on crontab and it contains spaces on command (parameters, for instance), command doesn't run. I'm clueless because syslog doesn't show anything. Any ideas? Thanks!
[14:38] <lotuspsychje_> !cron | lbracher start here
[14:41] <alkisg> tarzeau: if we use with the ltsp terminology, you're using fat clients, i.e. your application (=xrdp) runs locally on the clients, not on the LTSP server. If you ever want to take a look, the new LTSP can help you avoid the SD cards: https://ltsp.org/docs/installation/raspios/
[14:42] <tarzeau> alkisg: does that avoid having an sdcard?
[14:50] <alkisg> tarzeau: yes, the new ltsp doesn't need an sdcard in rpi3, rpi4 and rpi400
[14:50] <alkisg> You could probably just dump your image in /srv/ltsp/raspios, call ltsp image raspios, and have them netboot
[14:51] <alkisg> (rpi2 and before do need an sdcard with just boocode.bin in them)
[14:53] <zph1nx> So does anyone know if its possible to configure interfaces on a 20.04 system even if there is no carrier for it?
[15:09] <alkisg> zph1nx: sure, what are you using, ifupdown, network-manager, systemd-networkd? (I've no idea about netplan though)
[15:09] <zph1nx> alkisg: netplan with network-manager backend
[15:10] <zph1nx> im fine to switch to regular NM if that solves the issue though
[15:31] <alkisg> cat /etc/NetworkManager/conf.d/alkisg.conf
[15:31] <alkisg> [device]
[15:31] <alkisg> match-device=interface-name:enp5s0
[15:31] <alkisg> ignore-carrier=true
[15:31] <alkisg> zph1nx: with plain nm, that ^ solves the issue; with netplan, no idea
[15:31] <alkisg> It might still works as it is, if netplan just dumps some nm connection files
[15:46] <bytestream> Do published releases get pulled from apt? Version '8.0.26-0ubuntu0.20.04.2' for 'mysql-server-core-8.0' was not found
[15:47] <bytestream> I see security releases added 1hr ago - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/focal/+source/mysql-8.0
[15:52] <ioria> bytestream, run 'sudo apt update'
[15:52] <tomreyn> bytestream: package versions which are no longer current will be removed off mirrors at some point, yes
[15:54] <bytestream> tomreyn, is that documented? it disappeared pretty fast. I was deliberately pulling that specific version in a Dockerfile
[15:55] <tomreyn> bytestream: i do not know.
[15:57] <tomreyn> bytestream: you can and probably should be setting up a local apt mirror if you need to ensure package version availability.
[15:57] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/8.0.26-0ubuntu0.20.04.2/+publishinghistory
[15:58] <lektor> uhuhuh ... I turned out to be a fool with Ubuntu again ... after mounting plugging a desktop PC I couldn't establish an ethernet connection with it ...
[15:58] <oerheks> maybe it is the ssl3.0 issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-8.0/+bug/1945956
[15:58] <lektor> what does it mean : ip addr show  returned NO CARRIERS
[15:59] <lektor> does this mean definatly a physical problem with the cable
[15:59] <bytestream> oerheks, ah yeah, it says removal requested
[16:00] <tomreyn> lektor: what do you mean by "after mounting plugging a desktop PC"?
[16:00] <lektor> sorry , I meant -- after plugging all necessery cables .... ( power, eth, usb mouse and keyboard ) ... etc.
[16:01] <tomreyn> lektor: no carrier means that no cable link was detected by the interface.
[16:01] <lektor> tomreyn, so the cable is broken , right ?
[16:02] <tomreyn> that's or the interface (firmware) detects it incorrectly
[16:02] <tomreyn> *that
[16:03] <lektor> tomreyn, but previously it had been working fine ...
[16:03] <tomreyn> is the led on the ethernet connector lit?
[16:03] <lektor> well it lits ONLY for a few seconds on plugging then it dies out
[16:03] <tomreyn> that's a hardware issue most likely, so broken wire or interface
[16:05] <tomreyn> try a different ethernet cable first
[16:05] <lektor> tomreyn, ok thanks , will have to go there in the morning ( in 14 hours)  ... so be prepared for my visit here ... :D ... now do I have a spare ether cat5 cable
[16:05] <lektor> tomreyn, yeah sure that's what I am going to do...
[16:05] <tomreyn> check the led on the other end of the cable, too
[16:06] <lektor> aren't the ether cables fragile ... ?
[16:06] <oerheks> or maybe share more details, how you want to connect; is ubuntu the host?
[16:06] <oerheks> and how did you setup ICS?
[16:06] <lektor> ICS ?
[16:06] <oerheks> '.. after mounting plugging a desktop PC ´ ..
[16:07] <lektor> I am no Ubuntu specailist , usaully I use openSuse, I only installed this distro because  it had that Long Term Support feature
[16:07] <oerheks> internet connection sharing
[16:07] <lektor> ahh DHCP via modem-router of course
[16:08] <lektor> oerheks, that's what you asked ?
[16:09] <oerheks> lektor, yes, thank you
[16:09] <lektor> hmm someone must have stumped on that cable ... because they were in the step-corridor hmm ...
[16:09] <tomreyn> lektor: ethernet cables can break when moved around much, mostly when turned or pressed. though there's not anywhere as fragile as fiber.
[16:09] <oerheks> just to check, if that windows pc was working on that cable, it could well be something different.. or windows takes a long time to establish connection
[16:10] <oerheks> bt try tomreyns answer first, another cable
[16:10] <tomreyn> Windows pc? ICS? I must have missed half the story
[16:10] <oerheks> i had no clue how he connected, tom
[16:10] <lektor> oerheks, I mean ... there is windows 7 system as well ... haven't try because I had very little time
[16:11] <withered_wolf> anyone have issues outputting audio to Digital Output (S/PDIF) ? I can't seem to get mine working.
[16:11] <withered_wolf> it's 21.04 Ubuntu, btw.
[16:13] <tomreyn> oerheks: i see, me neither. apparently it's just one computer connecting to a router with integrated modem over ethernet (and other systems connected to that router)
[16:14] <lektor> tomreyn, actually there is another computer and a network printer :D
[16:14] <lektor> and a camera sometimes :D
[16:15] <tomreyn> lektor: but this computer running ubuntu is directly (no hub, no link transformation) connected to the router with integrated modem, which sets up the internet connection (and acts as the border gateway)
[16:15] <tomreyn> ?
[16:16] <lektor> well there is a switch inbetween
[16:16] <tomreyn> so you'd check the led on that first. maybe someone else can also do so for you.
[16:18] <tomreyn> but ultimatively its's likely a physical media / hardware problem. there's also #networking and #hardware around here (since this is not an ubuntu issue for all we can tell)
[16:19] <lektor> tomreyn, yeah thanks
[16:19] <lektor> :D
[17:12] <en1gma> i have a desktop computer (i7-7700k with integrated gpu "hd 630") and an old nvidia gts 250 with two dvi ports. i just installed ubuntu desktop 18.04.6 and it installed the nvidia 340 driver. (finally got it installed as i had to downgrade from 20.04....it was just easier for me to do it that way). anyhow i want to use that optimus prime thing for switchable graphics where it outputs over my igpu hdmi port when i have nothing connected to th
[17:12] <en1gma> e dvi ports on the gts 250.
[17:13] <en1gma> can someone tell me what i need to do or a link to a guide? im basically on a fresh install of ubuntu minimal with 3rd part stuff enabled during install
[17:14] <en1gma> i dont see that nvidia app in the app drawer like i did with 21.10
[17:14] <en1gma> i see the nvidia xserver app but not the nvidia prime app
[17:15] <en1gma> that app lets me pick performance/balanced/power saver (nvidia/auto/intel)
[17:27] <en1gma> never mind. figured it out.
[17:40] <jrwr> having some issues with deploying charms with JuJu and MAAS -- Using LXD I'm getting a "waiting for machine" for deploying any charm into LXD, Google has failed me on trying to fix this issue, and logs are not helpful, the container is started -- Here is some output from JuJu, Including the machine log https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sKG6Synby6/
[17:51] <ogra> jrwr, perhaps #ubuntu-server is the better channel for this ...
[18:08] <ThothCastel> got ubuntu desktop live on a z820 with dual cpu and 2 nvidia graphics card
[18:08] <ThothCastel> with 4 monitors
[18:09] <ThothCastel> all works perfectly fine on the live
[18:09] <ThothCastel> I have however just installed Ubuntu Desktop latest version
[18:09] <ThothCastel> applied all latest updates
[18:09] <en1gma> im running ubuntu 18.04.6 lts and have intel igpu (hd 630) and dedicated nvidia gts 250 (with nothing connected to it) i installed nvidia prime and it appears i can only have the profile set to nvidia (performance) if i set to anything else i can not get to desktop
[18:09] <ThothCastel> and when I power the machine on, it gets to the login screen with 2 of my monitors being black
[18:10] <en1gma> anyone care to help? im using the nvidia 340 driver
[18:10] <en1gma> basically a fresh install of ubuntu as of a couple hours ago
[18:10] <ThothCastel> the login screen itself is behind one of these two black screens
[18:10] <ThothCastel> upon logging in, all works fine and I have 4 monitors working
[18:10] <en1gma> i tried switching tty with the function keys
[18:10] <en1gma> oh nm
[18:11] <ThothCastel> en1gma:
[18:11] <ThothCastel> how many screens are you using?
[18:11] <en1gma> just one connected from igpu hdmi port
[18:11] <ThothCastel> I would try following this: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=275462
[18:11] <ThothCastel> this resolved a similar issue for me
[18:11] <en1gma> the nvidia gts 250 has nothing connected to it but i want to use it like a laptop does with hybrid graphics (switchable)
[18:11] <ThothCastel> by removing all nvidia drivers
[18:12] <ThothCastel> it then rolls back to nuveau
[18:12] <en1gma> yea but i wont get that good performace
[18:12] <en1gma> right now it does work with profile set to nvidia but it wont work on auto or power saver (intel)
[18:12] <ThothCastel> you might want to remove all nvidia drivers
[18:12] <ThothCastel> purge
[18:12] <ThothCastel> then reinstall it from scratch
[18:12] <en1gma> and then do what
[18:12] <en1gma> oh
[18:12] <ThothCastel> not sure if it will work for you
[18:12] <en1gma> i originally installed ubuntu with no login
[18:12] <ThothCastel> maybe it will :)
[18:13] <ThothCastel> for me it didn't lol
[18:13] <en1gma> i wonder if thats where the error came from
[18:13] <ThothCastel> en1gma: how come without a login?
[18:13] <en1gma> this is the first time i ever did that. not sure why.
[18:13] <en1gma> ive installed ubuntu probably over 500x since it came up and this is 1st time. lol
[18:13] <ThothCastel> https://support.system76.com/articles/login-loop-ubuntu/
[18:13] <en1gma> came up = came out
[18:14] <ThothCastel> maybe reinstall telogin manager
[18:15] <en1gma> when i ran 'vblank_mode=0 glxgears' on my igpu (hd 630) i cant remember if i got 1000fps or 10000fps. right now with the nvidia im getting 3500fps
[18:17] <en1gma> i think i can switch to the noveau driver and run test. brb
[18:18] <en1gma> bbiab and thanks
[18:28] <ThothCastel> if I have two nvidia graphics cards of different models on single machine (e.g. Geforce GT 610  Quadro 2000), then which driver do i need to install?
[18:41] <funkyjive> Just installed ubuntu 21.10 to work around an issue with networking in 20.04.   It looks really nice and runs really nice, but I have run into a problem where if I accidently press the "windows" key on my keyboard, the desktop becomes virtually unusable ...
[18:42] <funkyjive> I am trying to understand what the window key is meant to do or what it thinks it is doing.  It goes as if it is going into the dash, but my only icon is the 4 squares thing like I was selecting an app ...
[18:43] <kostkon> funkyjive, it should bring up the dash -or whatever is called in Gnome 4- afaik
[18:43] <funkyjive> was able to take a screenshot ...  I don't know how to even describe beyond that
[18:43] <funkyjive> kostkon: I believe it thinks it is doing that, but it is almost completely a black screen.  is there a place I can "
[18:44] <funkyjive> pastebin" a screenshot?
[18:44] <kostkon> !paste
[18:44] <astar_anje> hello
[18:44] <astar_anje> hello
[18:44] <astar_anje> anyone there
[18:45] <funkyjive> kostkon: perfect.  https://imgur.com/a/altOTOF
[18:45] <funkyjive> there is what it looks like
[18:45] <funkyjive> I have no way out of it that I can figure out but to reboot
[18:46] <oerheks> just hit 'windows key' again?
[18:46] <funkyjive> oerheks: negative ... it keeps me stuck there.
[18:47] <funkyjive> it is semi-functional .... I can hit alt-f2 and do a run of a command ...
[18:47] <funkyjive> so it is not like every aspect is hung, but if I press the icon on the left ... nothing
[18:47] <funkyjive> and clicking on the desktop things at the top yields no change either.
[18:48] <funkyjive> I have some gnome plugins that I have used previously (dash to dock) ... I am wondering if I should remove them.
[18:48] <funkyjive> maybe some of this stuff that works in 20.04 no longer works ...
[18:48] <kostkon> funkyjive, yes, probably. you could try disabling one at a time and see how it goes
[18:48] <funkyjive> sorry, plugins => extensions  for proper terms
[18:49] <en1gma> yea it seems like the intel 7700k igpu (hd 630) is getting 10,000fps with 'vblank_mode=0 glxgears' and when i have nvidia gts 250 selected with nvidia prime (performance mode) and 'prime-select query' reports "nvidia" im only getting 3500fps with 'vblank_mode=0 glxgears' with the nvidia 340 binary driver installed
[18:49] <en1gma> the gts250 should get way better fps then the igpu i would think
[18:49] <kostkon> funkyjive, and probably logout and log back in every time you do that. dunno
[18:51] <funkyjive> kostkon:  thanks.  going to try that.  I just disabled a couple of them that seem like possible suspects.
[18:51] <kostkon> funkyjive, np
[18:52] <funkyjive> I just disable them and pressed the window key and I was able to get in and out.  so pretty sure that was it.
[18:52] <funkyjive> thanks guys.
[18:52] <kostkon> funkyjive, that's great :)
[18:53] <oerheks> en1gma, testing with the dummy adapter?
[18:54] <funkyjive> have run it down to "dash-to-dock" ... so that appears to be a problem in 21.10 ... just anyone who cares.
[19:03] <en1gma> oerheks its acting like one but i dont have a resistor in it this time. i only just installed ubuntu 18.04.6 with the nvidia card in it and enabled 3rd party stuff while doing the install but didnt have anything  hooked to it (only the intel igpu had hdmi out to tv. then i did 'sudo apt update' and installed nvidia prime
[19:03] <en1gma> it automatically picked nvidia profile "performance".
[19:04] <en1gma> which i just did a benchmark  in counter strike source and now i have to switch the noueveau driver and reboot and test that with same settings.
[19:04] <en1gma> brb
[19:09] <en1gma> switched to the noveau driver and rebooted now going to test css again
[19:14] <Guest8738> For a beginer, what is the best DE ? Gnome or KDE ?
[19:15] <oerheks> there is no single best. gnome and kde are more heavyweight, than xfce/lxde/budgie
[19:16] <Fatal_Sushi> Guest8738: it's better to join #ubuntu-discuss for such questions
[19:16] <oerheks> !flavors
[19:17] <Guest8738> Fatal_Sushi: ok, thanks :)
[19:26] <johnfg> hi folks
[19:26] <johnfg> Is there an identd available for ubuntu, such as irc can check and use, i.e., get a valid ident response?
[19:28] <TJ-> johnfg: yes
[19:30] <supremekai> Hello! I have ubuntu 20.04 and I've wrongly changed the Xorg driver (Graphical Card) to nvidia 460. After rebooting the computer I can insert the password of the account but when it "logs in" the screen gets black, so basically I compromised the graphical card driver
[19:30] <supremekai> I used "ESC" key upon booting up and it shows up a grub> command line
[19:31] <supremekai> but when I prompt the command failsafeX it says the command is unknown (some msg of such kind) - how can I access ubuntu's 20.04 recovery mode?
[19:33] <Bashing-om> johnfg: ^ see too: https://libera.chat/guides/sasl .
[19:34] <Bashing-om> summonner: From the grub boot menu, what results with booting a "recovery" kernel ?
[19:34] <sarnold> johnfg: the nullidentd source code is nice and short, I didn't spot any bugs in it in three minutes of looking; it's not perfect but it's not bad either, heh
[19:51] <krytarik> I'm using oidentd myself.. :3
[20:06] <sarnold> krytarik: https://termbin.com/ltf8  :)
[20:13] <pycurious> when i do a ssh uname@IP - it works, when i do a scp a:/xyz.txt unam@IP:~ —>Host key verification failed. - any ideas what is wrong?
[20:14] <apb1963> 20.04; I'm trying to get some pics off my android. It's saying the folder is empty.  I know there are pics, I just took them.  How to resolve this?
[20:14] <TJ-> pycurious: a:/xyz.txt
[20:24] <en1gma> im having quite the problem trying to get switchable graphics to work correctly with my "Desktop Computer running ubuntu 18.04" with my i7-7700k with integrated graphics (hd 630). i added a dedicated gts 250 which can use either the nouveau driver or the nvidia 340 binary driver. i have steam installed with counter strike source to benchmark. with only the hd 630 i get 185fps. with same settings and the dedicated gpu installed with th
[20:24] <en1gma> e nouveau driver i get same 185fps
[20:25] <en1gma> how can i make sure when i run the game it is running the gts 250 with the nouveau driver instead of the hd 630 as i have no output cables connected to the gts 250. only the intel hd 630 has hdmi out to tv
[20:25] <en1gma> i also want to switch the nvidia 340 binary and benchmark that
[20:26] <pycurious> TJ-: It's bizarre. - nothing works. But scp xyz …:~ - works fine. So scp doesnt want to pull data from one machine and push to another
[20:26] <cbreak> en1gma: if you don't attach a screen to your GPU, then it won't do anything, graphics output wise
[20:26] <en1gma> so i should have a total of 3 benchmarks to compare. hd 630, gts 250 with nouveau and gts 250 with 340 binary
[20:26] <pycurious> This is the error i get when i try what you suggested: Host key verification failed.
[20:26] <en1gma> cbreak i think it can with switchable graphics like a laptop does
[20:26] <TJ-> pycurious: Host key verification was failing for a:
[20:26] <sarnold> pycurious: scp a:foo b:foo  will go through a to get to b. can you ssh to b from a?
[20:27] <en1gma> im not sure if it can be switched to with the nouveau driver but nvidia has nvidia-prime to switch
[20:27] <sarnold> pycurious: or you could scp -3 a:foo b:foo   and bounce through the local machine
[20:27] <en1gma> which im going to test but i have to select the driver and reboot
[20:28] <en1gma> right now i just tested the nouveau driver but i dont think it actually used the gts 250 when i benchmarked but instead used the hd 630 igpu but i dont have anything i can check to see when its running
[20:28] <cbreak> en1gma: nvidia-smi should tell you the load of the nvidia gpu
[20:28] <cbreak> if you have access to that thing.
[20:28] <en1gma> ok will check that as soon as i select the nvidia driver and reboot.
[20:28] <en1gma> let me check the command right now.
[20:29] <en1gma> it might not be avail in the 340 driver
[20:31] <en1gma> brb. going to switch to the driver
[20:31] <en1gma> thanks and brb
[20:35] <TheGuestMovie> Hi. when I logged in on my 20.04 desktop today I saw errors from landscape and a log file in ~/.landscape, written by a tool in landscape-common. I never installed landscape AFAIK. It's not in any of my apt logs: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1216861  . I'm using WSL, is the WSL system image different by any chance, and might come with Landscape
[20:35] <TheGuestMovie> preinstalled?
[20:38] <sarnold> TheGuestMovie: there's a big list of daily images on https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/
[20:38] <sarnold> TheGuestMovie: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/focal-server-cloudimg-amd64-wsl.rootfs.manifest is the manifest for that wsl images
[20:39] <TheGuestMovie> ah, thanks, I see it in the manifest
[20:39] <TheGuestMovie> handy link
[20:39] <pycurious> sarnold: I can't - that is why i was using the middle machine to scp from one to another
[20:39] <pycurious> sarnold: Let me try -3
[20:41] <TheGuestMovie> 22.04 already less than 6 months away. Anything major to look forward to, for 20.04 users?
[20:44] <sarnold> TheGuestMovie: openssl 3.0 is the first thing that comes to mind. the usual run of the mill newer versions of many things.
[20:46] <TheGuestMovie> what about something more exciting for desktop users? openssl usage is transparent to us :)
[20:47] <TheGuestMovie> as you said, newer version of stuff...but for my preferred apps I absolutely must keep updated, I already got ppa's / AppImages
[20:48] <Bashing-om> TheGuestMovie: A review: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-22.04-LTS-Development ,
[20:50] <TheGuestMovie> good link
[20:52] <TheGuestMovie> Found this incidentally: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-21.10-New-Install-Try . Why did Ubuntu focus on Flutter instead of Qt which it already has the know-how for, since Ubuntu Touch used Qt? No one knows Dart, plus it's Google tech so we'll be lucky if it's still be maintained 4 years from now. Meanwhile Qt has
[20:52] <TheGuestMovie> fantastic backwards compatibility.
[21:31] <en1gma> i get 158fps in css benchmark with hd 630 and 119 with gts 250 going through the igpu hdmi out
[21:31] <en1gma> does that sound right?
[21:33] <en1gma> glxgears 3000fps gts 250 and 10000fps with hd 630
[21:34] <en1gma> it appears to me that having the dedicated gpu (gts 250) transfering its information over through the hd 630 hdmi port is slowing something down or do i have something wrong?
[21:35] <cbreak> en1gma: if that's what it's actually doing then yes, it'll obviously slow everything down
[21:36] <cbreak> try attaching a screen directly.
[21:39] <tomreyn> en1gma: have you compared hardware peoperties / others people's benchmarks, yet?  https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/compare/Intel-HD-630-vs-GeForce-GTS-250/3540vs29
[21:49] <en1gma> tomreyn yep and it shows the gts 250 being better
[21:49] <en1gma> while im benching it is showing it worse. messing with nvidia-smi right now to see what is actually happening when i run benchmarks
[21:52] <tomreyn> the web page i linked you to actually shows the dedicated with ~50% performance of the integrated graphics both for 2d and 3d applications.
[22:05] <en1gma> tomreyn checking now. been running benchmarks and trying to figure out nvidia-smi. for some reason i cant see how much data is going across the pcie bus. it dont let me do that option. checking ur link now and thanks
[22:06] <en1gma> oh that link i already seen
[22:09] <en1gma> tomreyn https://technical.city/en/video/GeForce-GTS-250-vs-HD-Graphics-630
[22:12] <cengiz_io> hello. on a fresh install of 21.10, google chrome stable stops responding after signing in to sync service. did anyone bump into this?
[22:12] <en1gma> yep same thing as what you said
[22:25] <en1gma> is there a gpu app that can let me see the temp and memory used and gpu load that will work on intel hd 630 igpu and also on the dedicated gts 250? "nvidia-smi" works for the gts 250 but i dont think it will work on the integrated gpu hd 630
[22:25] <en1gma> i need to make 100% sure im checking each gpu as this will let me know if my motherboard, cpu or gpu is bad. right now it looks like its my 5700xt that is bad....SHIAT!
[22:41] <sem> Does Ubuntu Studio Edition have its own channel?
[22:44] <leftyfb> sem: yes
[22:45] <sem> I thought it was #ubuntu-studio but no one is there
[22:45] <sem> I am the captain now ;)
[22:45] <leftyfb> sem: what IRC client are you using?
[22:45] <sem> hexchat at the moment
[22:45] <sem> actually on ubuntu today!
[22:46] <leftyfb> sem: if you click on Server, then Channel list, then type in studio into the search
[22:46] <sem> I have seriously underestimated the channel list
[22:47] <sem> It's not a mistake I'm likely to not make again
[22:48] <cbreak> you should be able to /msg alis help
[23:12] <sem> so... is 'pkexec synaptic' the correct way to do 'gksu synaptic' these days?
[23:13] <leftyfb> sem: can I ask why you need to use synaptic over just apt or the software store?
[23:16] <sem> I never liked the app store
[23:16] <sem> I am looking for lowlatency kernels
[23:16] <sem> it looks like I have an old version installed because linux-lowlatency depends on an old version
[23:16] <leftyfb> apt search
[23:17] <sem> i thought synaptic was the GUI version of that
[23:30] <johnfg> Thanks to you who answered my earlier questions!
[23:34] <krytarik> sem: Opening Synaptic through its menu icon would automatically use pkexec for it btw, otherwise yes.
[23:36] <sem> I think I'm just set in my ways; I like using synaptic because that's how I learned, and I always invoked it from the terminal
[23:37] <sem> (the gnome 2 menus were pretty tricky to navigate)
[23:38] <krytarik> Well, then there is also the "synaptic-pkexec" executable that does the same.
[23:48] <sarnold> sem: the forward is configured :) thanks for the suggestion