| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:54 |
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| marcoagpinto | Morning! | 04:02 |
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| tomreyn | regarding creating a windows installer on ubuntu / linux - this may get funny with windows 11, where i assume the windows installer will want to boot with secure boot enabled, and then probably with 'the right' mok. | 10:02 |
| tomreyn | all of the woeusb, woeusb-ng and ventoy as well as the manual approaches i've seen discussed on the web seem to rely on grub as a boot loader. | 10:03 |
| TJ- | the whole 'lets put ourselves inbetween firmware and installer' is so fragile | 10:07 |
| TJ- | I thought Windows ISOs nowadays 'just worked' to boot and install? | 10:07 |
| tomreyn | which layer of firmware do you mean? ;) | 10:07 |
| tomreyn | i haven't tried whether you can just dd / cp the iso to a usb | 10:08 |
| TJ- | the motherboard's | 10:08 |
| tomreyn | thanks, and sorry, i should have tried harder to point out that this was not a seriuos question. | 10:09 |
| TJ- | https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10iso | 10:09 |
| TJ- | "You can use this page to download a disc image (ISO file) that can be used to install or reinstall Windows 10. The image can also be used to create installation media using a USB flash drive or DVD." | 10:10 |
| tomreyn | i sadly did need to install windows lately, and ended up creating the installer using a windows vm, and their installer making software their | 10:10 |
| tomreyn | yes, yes, you can do so, if you know how to properly write the iso to the usb stick, and if the windows installer will be happy to boot that way | 10:11 |
| TJ- | well, assuming based on ren0v0 asking in #ubuntu, then 'dd' or 'cp' :) | 10:12 |
| lotuspsychje_ | i used to make my win iso's with winusb/woeusb but i hear good things on that new ventoy tool | 10:12 |
| TJ- | but what does it do, or need to do, that makes it a choice if the ISO is a standard hybrid bootable image? | 10:14 |
| TJ- | I've just read the woeusb-ng and it doesn't tell me it does anything additional since it says "woeusb: A command-line utility that enables you to create your own bootable Windows installation USB storage device from an existing Windows Installation disc or disk image" - "from an existing installation disc or disk image" | 10:16 |
| TJ- | so what does it add? | 10:16 |
| lotuspsychje_ | not sure myself, but tested other tools to burn win iso's they failed a lot | 10:16 |
| TJ- | I'd be interested to know in what way they fail | 10:17 |
| lotuspsychje_ | dont know the exact errors they gave me, but they didnt boot like the usb's winusb made | 10:18 |
| lotuspsychje_ | i got some usb's laying around if you wanna see their content | 10:19 |
| tomreyn | all i know is that both woeusb and woeusb-ng failed for me when i was trying to create a windows 10 installer usb yesterday. woeusb-ng failed to install on my 18.04 lts due to a non-resolvable python dependency (IIRC), and woeusb failed to properly copy the files to the usb (i suspect it created a fat32, not ntfs file system, which would not fit all data). | 10:19 |
| lotuspsychje_ | tomreyn: did you try the snap woe-usb or manual download? | 10:20 |
| tomreyn | manual installation | 10:21 |
| tomreyn | or actually non-installation, it's just a bash script | 10:21 |
| TJ- | I suspect it is because they insert themselves between the firmware and Windows at boot-time, or do you mean they fail to even write the image correctly? | 10:21 |
| tomreyn | fail to write the image correctly | 10:22 |
| lotuspsychje_ | tomreyn: this is what i passed to a user last week trying to get woe-usb properly work; https://www.linuxuprising.com/2020/10/how-to-make-bootable-windows-10-usb-on.html | 10:22 |
| TJ- | a lot of those tools seem to be instigated by a lack of knowledge of how the boot process works | 10:22 |
| lotuspsychje_ | from what i understand, that woe-usb gui doesnt work and only cli way working | 10:23 |
| tomreyn | thanks lotuspsychje_ - i did indeed not specify --target-fileesystem ntfs | 10:23 |
| tomreyn | i had not tested the gui | 10:23 |
| lotuspsychje_ | there was a working woeusb snap before, then it vanished, now the new one gives issues | 10:24 |
| tomreyn | which? | 10:24 |
| lotuspsychje_ | woe-usb v3.3.0 ernytech - WoeUSB is a tool to create Windows USB stick | 10:25 |
| tomreyn | 3.3.0? this seems to be old. | 10:26 |
| lotuspsychje_ | thats the only thing we still have for ubuntu :p | 10:27 |
| tomreyn | i'll see whether just cp works | 10:28 |
| lotuspsychje_ | allright good luck tomreyn | 10:28 |
| tomreyn | thanks. i solved it yesterday for my needs, though | 10:29 |
| tomreyn | just "cp" won't work | 10:48 |
| tomreyn | the iso is either not bootable at all then or it boots but then the installer fails to find relevant drivers, so the installation cannot continue | 10:49 |
| tomreyn | those different results were on different hp laptop models | 10:49 |
| daftykins | puzzled, you surely know that you don't need a utility at all... just format FAT32 and then extract the Windows ISO contents onto it - when EFI boot is planned | 11:26 |
| tomreyn | you know this works? | 11:27 |
| daftykins | of course | 11:27 |
| daftykins | you typically can't dd Windows ISOs | 11:28 |
| tomreyn | fat32 should be too small though, isn't it? | 11:29 |
| daftykins | my English UK images are 1 GB leaner than the US ones, the largest file is under 4 GB so works out fine | 11:30 |
| tomreyn | the us english i have contains a 3.6 GB file /sources/install.esd but that's the largest, too | 11:40 |
| tomreyn | this one is mbr partitioned (only), created by 'media creation tool' | 11:41 |
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| TJ- | in case it is of any use, I've just written a new tool 'df-unmounted' to report file-system usage identically to 'df' - anyone find it may be useful tell me what file-systems you'd need to support | 21:14 |
| sarnold | ooh, what's it do? does it mount and then unmount again? or does it use libmount to do the 'mounting' outside of the main kernel? | 21:16 |
| TJ- | no, it doesn't mount | 21:18 |
| tomreyn | what does it do, though? if it does the same as df, then what's the purpose of the tool? | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | or does it report unallocated space on unmounted file systems without mounting those file systems? | 21:21 |
| tomreyn | (just guessing, based on the name) | 21:21 |
| sarnold | TJ-: oh my. does that mean you've implemented enough filesystem driver in userspace to figure this out?? :) | 21:23 |
| TJ- | no, it doesn't mount | 21:29 |
| tomreyn | for ext*, i guess you could use dump2fs to determine this, but i guess you did it differently, and not just for one file system? | 21:30 |
| TJ- | it does it for /unmounted/ file-systems without needing to mount, just simple, but identical output to df | 21:37 |
| TJ- | sorry, long way from AP right now and keep losing connection | 21:37 |
| tomreyn | that sounds like it should go into debian for sure | 21:41 |
| tomreyn | personally, in this utility, i'd like to see ext 2-4, exfat, less so fat32, xfs, maybe ntfs, btrfs and zfs support | 21:45 |
| TJ- | I'll take a look at those others; I only use ext4 and btrfs currently | 22:41 |
| TJ- | and don't use anything not in mainline kernel | 22:42 |
| tomreyn | redhat is meaning to make xfs into a properly licensed zfs from what i read. | 22:52 |
| VMGuy23 | tomreyn: i got fix-your-connectioned can you let me back into the other channels please | 23:06 |
| tomreyn | VMGuy23: please join #ubuntu-ops and discuss which channels those are | 23:06 |
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