[00:25] <TomyLobo> I've never used apache kafka. i wonder if it's kafkaesque
[00:31] <katnis> i panicked at the class bc my virtualbox didnt work
[00:32] <df30> //
[00:32] <TomyLobo> what was the issue?
[00:32] <oerheks> virtualbox and uefi ?
[00:33] <katnis> uh the issue was
[00:33] <katnis> the issue was
[00:33] <TomyLobo> if that didnt work, i would have noticed, oerheks
[00:33] <TomyLobo> unless you mean uefi in the box or something
[00:33] <katnis> run as admin when i open virtual box
[00:33] <katnis> that was the key
[00:34] <TomyLobo> katnis, on windows?
[00:34] <katnis> yes!
[00:34] <katnis> :DD
[00:34] <TomyLobo> as a host?
[00:34] <katnis> idk how to answer that. i run ubuntu on virtualbox and it is installed on my windows10
[00:34] <TomyLobo> i know that issue. basically if you ever run it as admin, you now always have to run it as admin, otherwise it wont be able to use its existing directories
[00:34] <katnis> oh m y god
[00:35] <katnis> now i wanna run native ubuntu asap
[00:36] <TomyLobo> also virtualbox invoked from cygwin/babun and virtualbox invoked the regular way used to have separate directories. but that'll probably only affect you if you use vagrant
[00:36] <TomyLobo> dunno if that still happens. i think that might have gotten fixed, too
[00:37] <katnis> i want a native ubuntu
[00:38] <katnis> but is it ok to use ryzen
[00:38] <katnis> or just stick to intel forever?
[00:38] <stackswapper> of course you can use ryzen
[00:39] <TomyLobo> also, with all this stuff, watch out for a process called VBoxSVC. that process determines which data directory etc. will get used. so if you ever notice that restarting virtualbox isn't doing anything, you might wanna look for VBoxSVC. to get rid of that, see if there are any virtualbox/vboxheadless processes still around (those are your VMs). then if you got rid of all those, vboxsvc should disappear. if not,
[00:39] <TomyLobo> kill that too.
[00:39] <TomyLobo> katnis, what is the name of ubuntu's 64-bit architecture?
[00:40] <TomyLobo> https://releases.ubuntu.com/20.04/ hint: it's on this page
[00:40] <katnis> let me take a look
[00:41] <katnis> oh
[00:41] <katnis> it is AMD64
[00:41] <TomyLobo> also wow, still mentioning athlon64 in 2020 :D
[00:41] <TomyLobo> that thing is from 2003
[00:41] <katnis> is she over 18
[00:42] <TomyLobo> since last month, yes, but that is a creepy way to phrase it
[00:42] <katnis> then i can build a cheap b450+2600 to run native ubuntu
[00:43] <TomyLobo> you can also run ubuntu on a pi, btw
[00:43] <TomyLobo> https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[00:44] <TomyLobo> if you want really cheap
[00:45] <GrayGhost> how cheep do you want ?
[00:46] <VMGuy23> katnis: what kind of price are you willing to pay
[00:46] <telmac> having trouble using nuget, never tried to use it before
[00:47] <telmac> not exactly an ubuntu problem, but nonetheless
[00:47] <TomyLobo> isnt nuget like a windows thing?
[00:48] <telmac> yeah but it's used for some stuff
[00:48] <telmac> https://pastebin.com/9jAECC2b
[00:48] <katnis> VMGuy23: around $500
[00:48] <katnis> GrayGhost: $500
[00:48] <katnis> around
[00:48] <telmac> in this case I need it to install a library for a neat voice/eyes interface thingum
[00:48] <VMGuy23> katnis: you can get an ubuntu machine for under 100
[00:48] <katnis> does it work well
[00:48] <GrayGhost> https://www.ebay.com/itm/144257422526
[00:48] <katnis> and how is that possible
[00:49] <katnis> im a windows guy also a gamer
[00:49] <katnis> no idea how that works with $100
[00:49] <katnis> oh wow 6700T
[00:49] <katnis> thats a good idea
[00:49] <katnis> wait. thats sold
[00:49] <GrayGhost> to late it just sold
[00:50] <GrayGhost> I also have a asus flex 5 laptop for sale
[00:51] <VMGuy23> katnis: raspberrypi.org get one of these and put ubuntu on it
[00:51] <TomyLobo> turns out advertising your ebay listings on #ubuntu is a great way to get them sold
[00:52] <TomyLobo> and probably to get banned off the channel
[00:52] <GrayGhost> sorry
[00:52] <katnis> ill buy everything here no worries
[00:52] <GrayGhost> I did not know
[00:52] <katnis> ;)
[00:53] <TomyLobo> I didn't check if there's a "no advertisement" rule, but it's very common, so assume it's there, if not sure
[00:58] <VMGuy23> checked and nothing in ubuntu or libera guidelines
[01:00] <katnis> ok so raspberry pi
[01:00] <katnis> is it ok to run
[01:00] <katnis> im a gamer guy so idk if it looks promising lol
[01:00] <katnis> so small
[01:00] <oerheks> for chess, sure
[01:01] <Bashing-om> katnis: https://9to5linux.com/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-released-with-ubuntu-server-21-10-support .
[01:02] <katnis> zero 2
[01:02] <katnis> tiktok
[01:02] <oerheks> connect a webcam module, is the most usefull use of such creditcardpc
[01:03] <katnis> its fifteen
[01:03] <katnis> $15 omg imma keep it for later
[01:03] <katnis> its gonna be a fun toi
[01:07] <katnis> Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W
[01:07] <katnis> AVAILABLE ON NOV 02,2021
[01:08] <oerheks> * if the ship containers gets unloaded
[01:08] <oerheks> grinn, totally offtopic
[01:12] <katnis> the assignment i sent last night to my prof didnt make it
[01:13] <katnis> i cant even find it on my 'sent' inbox
[01:13] <katnis> istg i sent it last night
[01:13] <katnis> ._.
[01:15] <Bashing-om> katnis: ' sudo find / -name <assignment> '
[01:16] <katnis> error : no permission to execute
[01:17] <katnis> it happened to me last night. i type something sudo blah blah and it said i had no permission-
[01:17] <katnis> i was like "bro this is sudo"
[01:17] <katnis> a magic word
[01:17] <katnis> like open sesame
[01:17] <katnis> you must do it for me
[01:17] <Bashing-om> katnis: ^ then talk to the systems administrator, as "you" are not authorized :D
[01:19] <katnis> i am the admin tho...
[01:20] <katnis> it was my pc
[01:20] <katnis> idk what i am ta;lking about
[01:21] <katnis> i just thought that i have a 256gb microsd in my room
[01:21] <katnis> never touched
[01:22] <VMGuy23> Help, using KDE and my mouse keeps going to the menu button
[01:22] <katnis> i might use it to my pi zero 2
[01:22] <oerheks> dirt on the mouse
[01:22] <VMGuy23> oerheks: its a touchpad
[01:22] <katnis> blow it
[01:22] <oerheks> corner touchpad..
[01:23] <oerheks> obviously
[01:23] <oerheks> and connection issues are related?
[01:23] <VMGuy23> oerheks: ?
[01:23] <katnis> ubuntu@ubuntu21:~$ /.local/share/nautilus/scripts
[01:24] <katnis> nautilus :O
[01:24] <katnis> league of legends
[01:47] <funnybunny> Hello, I am running Amazon Linux with the MATE desktop environment. I can't click the "Time Settings" button as show here https://learnubuntumate.weebly.com/change-date--time.html as it is greyed out. How can I fix it?
[01:48] <VMGuy23> Hey, sadly, we are unable to help as you are not using Ubuntu or an official flavour. Please refer to the distribution's support information.
[01:51] <VMGuy23> funnybunny: ^
[02:05] <funnybunny> VMGuy23: OK, ty
[02:17] <oerheks> mate is supported, but a vm on amazon .. maybe force time in your control panel?
[02:17] <oerheks> your vm might be protected for override
[02:18] <oerheks> juppy
[02:27] <BCB> how did I fix a broken do-release-upgrade
[02:28] <VMGuy23> what is the problem
[02:28] <BCB> mysql-server-8.0 failed and I had to remove some depreciated configurations and it now works.
[02:28] <BCB> VMGuy23 It failed before completeing
[02:28] <BCB> Is there an upgrade error log
[02:28] <BCB> "release upgrade error log"
[02:28] <VMGuy23> Ok, run sudo apt update and then sudo apt upgrade and tell me if it errors
[02:29] <BCB> sudo: apt-update: command not found
[02:29] <VMGuy23> apt update, not apt-update
[02:30] <BCB> VMGuy23: hmmm just figured that out.  Is that new??
[02:30] <VMGuy23> apt works like apt-get does normally, but has an additional helpful progress bar
[02:30] <BCB> VMGuy23: ahhh
[02:30] <VMGuy23> apt has been here for years
[02:30] <BCB> VMGuy23: i've always use apt-get
[02:31] <BCB> VMGuy23:Anyway  no errors
[02:31] <VMGuy23> apt show is the same as apt-cache showpkg. Its basically a combined apt
[02:31] <BCB> ahh ok
[02:31] <BCB> so can I just restart the release upgrade
[02:31] <BCB> ?
[02:32] <VMGuy23> Can you send a line with "Get" at the start from sudo apt update?
[02:32] <BCB> Get:2 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-updates InRelease [114 kB]
[02:32] <VMGuy23> So you're currently on 20.04
[02:33] <BCB> VMGuy23: that's what I was trying to upgrade to.  It faild and said my server my be in an unstable state
[02:33] <BCB> *may
[02:33] <VMGuy23> Nope, seems fine
[02:34] <BCB> VMGuy23: yep: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[02:34] <VMGuy23> So it seemed to work.
[02:34] <BCB> VMGuy23: ok.  but one of the packages installed removed my Apache2 server
[02:34] <BCB> Can I just re-install apache2
[02:35] <VMGuy23> yeah i think so
[02:35] <VMGuy23> anyway i need to go to bed its 3am
[02:47] <origintopleft> I have DVDs and I'm trying to rip titles within these DVDs to video files, any common format acceptable. This system is headless so I can't use VLC or Handbrake. Is there a CLI tool for this?
[02:48] <yukiup> well you gotta pull the disk in and out... so why not click to start encoding
[02:49] <origintopleft> yukiup, are you saying it's absolutely, completely 100% impossible to do this without a GUI?
[02:49] <yukiup> idk
[02:50] <yukiup> vlc has command line
[02:51] <origintopleft> yukiup, all that does is open a player. in an X11 environment. that I don't have.
[02:51] <yukiup> :/
[02:51] <origintopleft> should I go to #ubuntu-server instead maybe
[02:51] <yukiup> wouldn't hurt
[02:55] <yukiup> there is ffmpeg to encode videos, but you still need something to pull the files off the disk
[02:55] <yukiup> https://www.miskatonic.org/2020/05/12/dvd-ffmpeg/
[02:56] <origintopleft> yukiup, i've gotten as far as installing dvdbackup and copying the correct titles off the disk, but part of my confusion is the number of VOB files don't match the number of titles.
[02:57] <yukiup> true
[02:57] <origintopleft> Specifically, this DVD has three episodes, and I only have two VOBs.
[02:57] <ravage> https://superuser.com/questions/316745/how-to-access-a-cd-dvd-drive-over-the-network
[02:57] <ravage> If you can access the machine over the network
[02:58] <yukiup> maybe its really only one vob?
[02:58] <origintopleft> if I had a GUI, I could theoretically load a big mega video into an editor and cut it by hand...but then I could also probably just use VLC.
[02:59] <yukiup> maybe you could check the timing
[02:59] <origintopleft> ravage, if I'm doing things like trying to access a DVD drive over the network then I consider the whole project a bust. it's a USB DVD drive, i might as well just plug it into my Windows PC and rip it there.
[02:59] <ravage> Then maybe do that
[02:59] <origintopleft> that's probably what I should be doing in the first place, but I was hoping to skip the whole "copy it to the media server" step and get it ripped ON the media server.
[03:00] <origintopleft> you would think if CLI CD rippers are a thing I can just set and forget, a DVD ripper shouldn't be that much more complicated.
[03:00] <ravage> https://github.com/automatic-ripping-machine/automatic-ripping-machine
[03:02] <origintopleft> that's a lot of pregame to install one program but at least it's a program that does what i need
[03:04] <ravage> nice. so i am sure i can leave the rest of googling to you. thats what i found
[03:04] <origintopleft> google doesn't know what it's talking about, unfortunately. i made sure to specify "cli" and "command line" and it's only suggesting Handbrake.
[03:05] <ravage> handbrake has a cli
[03:05] <origintopleft> ...
[03:06] <origintopleft> maybe i really was just fucking stupid the whole time. i should probably drink until i forget tonight.
[03:06] <origintopleft> thank you, i'm sorry i'm a waste of space and text.
[03:08] <ravage> np. just woke up anyway. its 5am. some morning googling was fun ;)
[03:08] <ahc> Handbrake doesn't read a DVD-R just says VIDEO_TS  unknown. VLC will same DVD-R. Think it was from a dvd-recorder circa 1990. Well I'm stumped
[03:09] <ahc> VLC will play same dvd-r
[03:09] <ravage> ripped a DVD with handbrake a few weeks ago. worked perfectly
[03:10] <ravage> but you need libdvdcss
[03:10] <ravage> i remember i installed that first
[03:10] <ahc> I've ripped 100s using Handbrake. Nautilus File Manager only sees VIDEO_TS unknown nothing else
[03:11] <origintopleft> ahc, does the DVD-R work in another device, like a standalone DVD player of some sort?
[03:13] <ahc> windoze laptop here without a dvd drive. Hmm. So strange. Readable on VLC not Handbrake or FileManager
[03:14] <origintopleft> i'm wondering if the process that wrote to this DVD-R in the first place wrote it as a data DVD with a bunch of VIDEO_TS files instead of a proper video DVD
[03:14] <origintopleft> those are not the official terms, I'm certain, but...
[03:17] <ahc> only clues so far are, physically its a Kodak DVD-R, visibly inner 30% is burnt, burnt from a DVD-recorder circa 1990.
[03:17] <ahc> My first option is to Record from VLC>
[03:18] <ahc> Mbe my only option, without another PC and dvd drive.
[03:18] <ahc> 1st time have had this no read problem, Handbrake has been excellent for years
[03:31] <funnybunny> I just installed Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on an AWS EC2 and installed a desktop following https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/ubuntu-desktop-aws#1-overview There is no clock in the panel at the top of the screen. How do I add one?
[03:37] <tomreyn> funnybunny: right-click + add + clock did nothing?
[03:38] <BCB> i broke Apache 2 upgrading to Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS and the error message are not help
[03:38] <funnybunny> tomreyn: Right clicking does nothing
[03:38] <funnybunny> Also gnome-terminal doesn't pop up again after restart even though it's in the xstartup script from the instructions. I don't even know how to get a terminal now
[03:38] <tomreyn> funnybunny: hmm. i guess the difficult part is that this guide was written for ubuntu 16.04 and you're using 20.04, which has a very different gnome.
[03:39] <funnybunny> Oh, I didn't notice that
[03:39] <funnybunny> How annoying
[03:39] <tomreyn> it says "16.04+", but i think this is really misleading
[03:41] <tomreyn> your best option is probably to combine two guides, one for setting up ubuntu-desktop on am ubuntu 20.04 server, and another for setting up vnc on the, so that you can have graphical remote access.
[03:42] <tomreyn> BCB: maybe the error messages would help others, though. you culd share them on a pastebin.
[03:42] <funnybunny> Is there an official desktop environment?
[03:42] <funnybunny> I don't want to install something dinky that's not going to work or be very Googleable
[03:42] <tomreyn> funnybunny: sure, there are ubuntu desktop 20.04 ISOs.
[03:42] <tomreyn> but i'm not sure there are AMIs for that
[03:42] <funnybunny> No
[03:43] <funnybunny> I installed ubuntu-desktop
[03:43] <funnybunny> That's what the guides are saying to do for 20.04 as well
[03:43] <BCB> tomreyn https://dpaste.com/5X3HSVVBP
[03:44] <BCB> tomreyn: https://dpaste.com/FVND5T6E2
[03:46] <BCB> error message trying to start Apache after 20.04 upgrade
[03:49] <tomreyn> funnybunny: yes, installing ubuntu-desktop is probably fine
[03:50] <tomreyn> but "gnome-panel" seems wrng to me in this guide, since that'd be mixing old and current gnome interfaces.
[03:50] <funnybunny> It doesn't look like anything I've ever seen. It's super minmal. I can't figure out how to even run a progran. Alt + F2 seems to do nothing
[03:52] <tomreyn> BCB: "Configuration error: No MPM loaded." that's an apache2 service worker module
[03:53] <tomreyn> BCB: check whether it's installed (IIRC there is an apache2-mpm package), and the module is configured to be loaded
[03:53] <tomreyn> funnybunny: what did you dislike of the approach i suggested?
 your best option is probably to combine two guides, one for setting up ubuntu-desktop on am ubuntu 20.04 server, and another for setting up vnc on the, so that you can have graphical remote access.
[03:54] <funnybunny> tomreyn: I have been Googling. It says I can just install ubuntu-desktop although there are alternatives
[03:56] <funnybunny> I don't want to install xfce4 and many guides have it
[03:57] <funnybunny> I guess I will...
[04:01] <funnybunny> Lol, this is trash
[04:01] <funnybunny> I start it up and immediately get an error: "The application xiccd has closed unexpectedly"
[04:01] <tomreyn> funnybunny: so, maybe some more backgroun. the desktop ubuntu defaults to since ubuntu 18.04 is the "modern" gnome3 based on gnome-shell: https://ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/d944/yaru-screenshot-large.jpg . while visually not *that* different, this is technically a very different software stack than the "unity" desktop ubuntu 16.04 and earlier defaulted to: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Ubuntu_16.04_Desktop.png
[04:01] <BCB> just removed and reinstalled Apache and it  still won't start
[04:01] <BCB> https://dpaste.com/6JNS92S39
[04:02] <tomreyn> funnybunny: if you want xfce, you should probably install xubuntu-desktop on top of the official ubuntu AMI
[04:02] <funnybunny> I don't want xfce
[04:03] <funnybunny> I want the official desktop
[04:03] <funnybunny> All the guides show xfce. I need a proper xstartup for vnc though
[04:04] <funnybunny> This desktop environment doesn't let me set the time either anyway
[04:05] <funnybunny> How do I install the officially supported desktop environment? Isn't it just ubuntu-desktop?
[04:05] <tomreyn> as i wrote a few times, yes
[04:06] <funnybunny> I'm going to try installing it again
[04:07] <tomreyn> i think 20.04 comes with a gnome3 version which provides a spice server for graphical desktop access.
[04:08] <funnybunny> Well, I guess I need a better xstartup script, because simply running ubuntu-desktop gives me no panel or anything
[04:08] <funnybunny> When I was googling guides, there was also mention of ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[04:08] <funnybunny> Do I need that?
[04:09] <tomreyn> that'd be the classic gnome desktop, without gnome-shell
[04:10] <tomreyn> umm not, sorry, got this wrong, that's the unmodified (non ubuntu styled) gnome 3
[04:11] <funnybunny> I can't find any guide which shows what to put in xstartup for vnc with ubuntu-desktop
[04:11] <funnybunny> I just put ubuntu-desktop & and it looks to be a totally minimal X environment
[04:12] <tomreyn> maybe that's for lack of graphics acceleration on the host, so the compositor can't really work
[04:14] <tomreyn> here's how the gnome project thinks you should be connecting to a gnome3 (mutter + gnome-shell) desktop: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop
[04:15] <tomreyn> but that's in universe in 20.04 - maybe it's not mature there, yet: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gnome-remote-desktop
[04:16] <funnybunny> It's just a wrapper over vnc
[04:16] <tomreyn> BCB: same error as before: No MPM loaded
[04:17] <katnis> meanwhile prof trying to teach what 'man' does on ubuntu
[04:17] <katnis> samba bruh
[04:17] <tomreyn> BCB: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libapache2-mpm-itk
[04:18] <tomreyn> katnis: please use #ubuntu-offtopic for chat - thanks!
[04:19] <katnis> oh okay thank you
[04:23] <katnis> what is tty?
[04:26] <tomreyn> !tty
[04:27] <katnis> oof
[04:29] <tomreyn> it originally stands for "teletype(writer)", which also hints of when this was a suitable name ;)
[04:36] <katnis> ooo /dev/tty
[07:16] <aslan> how to re-prioritize open source programs
[07:23] <ThinkT510> more context required
[07:30] <aslan> Launch browser, graphics editor and file manager. Re-prioritize them. Kill all the above processes in one line.
[07:32] <ThinkT510> are you trying to solve some sort of out of memory problem and you want to kill off the least important one first?
[07:32] <peterrooney> aslan: much more context required; what do you actually want to do?
[07:37] <aslan> I need to open 3 programs and reassign their priority, this is my task in training and then I need to remove them in one line in the terminal
[07:38] <ThinkT510> who set you this training?
[07:39] <riv> priority????
[07:40] <aslan> renice [priority value] -p [process id]
[07:40] <aslan> I found such a command, but I don’t know what to put in brackets
[07:42] <ThinkT510> the niceness value ranges from -20 to 19
[07:42] <aslan> I know that
[07:43] <ThinkT510> then you know what to put in the brackets
[07:43] <ThinkT510> are you struggling on how to get the process id?
[07:44] <aslan> yes
[07:44] <aslan> i dont now this
[07:45] <ThinkT510> ps aux | grep my_proram
[07:46] <aslan> root        5191  0.0  0.1  20228  2516 pts/0    S+   12:46   0:00 grep --color=auto my_proram
[07:50] <peterrooney> aslan: Replace "my_proram" with the actual name of the program that you are looking for.
[08:23] <Qetzlcoatl> How can I find what Ubuntu machines already attached to my free personal token of Ubuntu Advantage?
[09:17] <MonkZ> Hello, there are multiple ubuntu releases without amd64 iso: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases/21.10/release/ are there new distribution plans? Are they just missing for now - or forever?
[09:19] <ogra> MonkZ, cdimage only holds the (typically more exotic) images that do not go onto releases.ubuntu.com ... try there instead
[09:22] <MonkZ> okay thanks
[10:24] <dreamon> hello. going STRG+ALT+F2 in console. Pressing ALT+0246 Im getting "ö" output. in Xubuntu Xorg pressing ALT+0246 it prints "0246". I need "ö", how can I configure this behavior?
[10:41] <TJ-> dreamon: here, I press and hold Alt-Gr (right Alt), press [ release Alt-Gr, press o and get ö
[10:46] <riv> damn ubuntu changed into a cool ass jaguar
[10:46] <riv> upgrading wasworth it
[10:47] <cloudcell> hello, I am setting up an smtp server, I have installed mailutils, trying to send test mail, however the receiving server tells me that my host name is not fully qualified address. I changed /etc/postfox/main.cf variable myhostname from xyz to xyz.org (xyz stands for some name). still does not help. hostname -f still shows xyz, do I have to restart my computer for the hostname to change?
[10:48] <Guest87> cloudcell: sometimes, also try hostnamectl set-hostname <hostname>
[10:48] <cloudcell> cool! thank you Guest87
[10:49] <Guest87> cloudcell: yw
[10:57] <riv> why all the messages about snap during upgrade?
[10:57] <riv> does ubuntu use snap for its system in some way now?
[10:58] <Guest87> riv: some packages use Snap instead of the normal Aptitude, you may have gotten a snap package
[10:59] <riv> interesting, why do they do this? isn't it harder to manage 2 installers
[10:59] <Guest87> riv: actually, no
[11:00] <Guest87> riv: apt can even get a snap package for you
[11:00] <riv> cool :)
[11:04] <ogra> riv, firefox is a snap now ... snaps free up a lot of developer time (maintaining one snap that works on all releases (and other distros) vs. maintaining 4 .deb's for 4 supported releases) ... apt has a "fake deb" for this that cares for copying your profile data to the snap and make the switch ...
[11:05] <picsou-62> Bonjour a tous
[11:07] <riv> awesome!
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> !fr | picsou-62
[11:09] <lotuspsychje> can we help you with anything picsou-62 ?
[11:09] <sprout> neat
[11:09] <sprout> Gutentag alle! Servus!
[11:10] <sprout> !de | sprout
[11:10] <sprout> heh
[11:40] <Fatal_Sushi> sprout: if you have a ubuntu support question just ask, all nonrelated stuff belongs in #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:52] <r_> Hello =) Is there another good way to fix dependency issues beside dpkg --configure -a or apt --fix-broken install ?
[11:56] <lotuspsychje> r_: apt usualy always tell you what to do, to heal itself, can you pastebin whats happening exactly?
[12:05] <loller_> is it just me or has full text search (in PDFs etc.) become much slower in newer versions?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:14] <r_> lotuspsychje: my upgrade to 21.10 god borked and i cannot resolve. i lost my gui session while upgrade, it went into "Oops something went wrong" quite early after download
[12:15] <r_> related packages involve php7.4 and lots of gnome things
[12:57] <dreamon> TJ.. her not. Press alt+gr and [ after releasing alt it prints 88888888 before I can press o :(
[13:21] <TJ-> dreamon: do you have a different "Compose" key configured. On my system Alt-Gr is the Compose key
[13:24] <Kolusion> I am trying to install Ubuntu Server 20.04 but it is breaking my balls by wanting me to enter the subnet in CIDR for setting the IP address manually
[13:25] <Kolusion> 2021 and it doesn't calculate it automatically, something Windows 95 did.
[13:25] <Kolusion> Anyone know what the subnet in CIDR format is for the IP address 192.168.0.4?
[13:28] <ravage> The IP can be part of any subnet
[13:29] <ravage> I assume you use a /24
[13:29] <alkisg> Kolusion: private addresses are listed there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_network
[13:30] <alkisg> But note that while 192.168.x.x is listed as a /16 network, most home routers operate it as /24
[13:30] <Kolusion> All meaningless to me
[13:30] <ravage> Then educate yourself
[13:30] <alkisg> That's why it's not "automatically deduced from the ip"
[13:30] <alkisg> Kolusion: do you have a DHCP server in your network?
[13:31] <Kolusion> Yes, but I need to know how to do this for static.
[13:31] <alkisg> If you run `ip a` you'll see your ip in cidr notation
[13:31] <alkisg> Then you'll know what subnet your network uses
[13:31] <Kolusion> I know what the subnet is
[13:31] <Kolusion> Wait, let me show you this POS I am using...
[13:32] <alkisg> If you type `ip a`, do you see something like 192.168.0.4/24 ?
[13:33] <Kolusion> Please see this
[13:33] <Kolusion> https://i.ibb.co/2sf273F/Untitled.png
[13:33] <alkisg> Eeeew ok I see now :)
[13:34] <Kolusion> How can it be fixed?
[13:34] <alkisg> I'd report a bug in ubuntu, that's an awful interface or message there
[13:34] <alkisg> I guess it's the new ubuntu installer, what's its name, sublime
[13:34] <Kolusion> Yes mate
[13:35] <Kolusion> Obviously Canonical didn't bother testing it
[13:35] <Kolusion> This is the usual FOSS story.
[13:35] <alkisg> Wait here, someone that has used it will answer; if they don't, try in #ubuntu-server
[13:35] <Kolusion> Good idea!
[13:35] <Kolusion> Thanks for your help alkisg!!
[13:35] <hewwo> hello
[13:36] <alkisg> np, sorry for no understanding sooner! :)
[13:36] <alkisg> *not
[13:38] <alkisg> Kolusion: and if you assume it's a bad message, not a bad UI, and you go ahead and insert 255.255.255.0, does it accept it?
[13:39] <Kolusion> Nah it doesn't
[13:39] <Kolusion> I tried it before
[13:39] <Kolusion> https://i.ibb.co/H2hHgcD/Untitled.png
[13:39] <Kolusion> Tried this, too
[13:40] <alkisg> Without the /24 at the end, right?
[13:40] <alkisg> Awful. Plain awful.
[13:40] <Kolusion> https://i.ibb.co/2sf273F/Untitled.png
[13:40] <Kolusion> With 24
[13:40] <Kolusion> Yeah man, and people wonder why people choose Windows Server over Linux
[13:41] <alkisg> Try this: 192.168.0.0/24
[13:42] <alkisg> But also note you mistyped the IP, you put 160 instead of 168
[13:42] <Kolusion> Nah
[13:42] <Kolusion> Someone in #ubuntu-server corrected me. I was entering a netmask, it wants a subnet!
[13:42] <alkisg> I.e. these: 192.168.0.0/24, 192.168.0.4, 192.168.0.1
[13:43] <Kolusion> I needed 192.168.0.0/24 and it worked
[13:43] <Kolusion> If I designed this software, I would have asked for the IP first, then the next field automatically calculate the subnet!
[13:44] <tomreyn> you can't calculate the subnet from an ip address
[13:49] <alkisg> Sure, but if you're going to ask the users to type 192.168.0.0/24 AND 192.168.0.4, they might just type the more usual 192.168.0.4/24
[13:50] <tomreyn> i agree that the UI could an dhsould be improved to make it easier to use, and less redundant.
[13:50] <tomreyn> *and should
[13:50] <hewwo> hello?
[13:51] <tomreyn> hi hewwo
[13:53] <Kolusion> Thanks for your help everyone. Take care!
[14:50] <user01> hi is there a screensaver that can use videos?
[15:21] <xu-help42w> Guys. I have been searching for some systems capable of gaming and so on
[15:22] <xu-help42w> I tried Ubuntu and Manjaro so far. All the flavours.
[15:22] <xu-help42w> Ubuntu works flawlessly. But in Manjaro games just freeze...
[15:23] <xu-help42w> I can't even guess why in Ubuntu it works fine and why it doesn't in Manjaro. Any guesses?
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | xu-help42w
[15:24] <xu-help42w> Ah, ok, if something works fine in Ubuntu, then it isn't support question?
[15:24] <tomreyn> why would you ask for support with something that works?
[15:55] <Sven_vB> hi :)
[16:09] <Sven_vB> does focal have support for a video capture card Pinnacle Systems Digger-51013524-5.1A?
[16:12] <no_gravity> I am surprised ifconfig is not installed by default on Ubuntu. What do you guys use to see what your lan IP is?
[16:13] <tomreyn> no_gravity: ip a
[16:13] <no_gravity> I see hostname is available though
[16:13] <dreamon> TJ-, pse tell me how to compose? where do I find information for it?
[16:14] <no_gravity> tomreyn: Oh, another tool I did not know. Nice. Thanks.
[16:17] <tomreyn> no_gravity: you're welcome. iproute2 (providing "ip") replaces net-tools (providing "ifconfig"), did so for a while.
[16:17] <tomreyn> oh, gone
[16:19] <DJones> 7
[16:50] <coz_> good afternoon
[16:53] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: https://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_PCI_Cards#DVB-S_Budget_Cards suggests it (Pinnacle PCTV Sat 400i) may be
[16:53] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, thanks!
[16:57] <bob518> Hi, I think after recent update in my Ubuntu lts 20.04 I'm having issue. After suspend, when I try to resume Ubuntu it just shows blank screen with a cursor. I have to restart every time. How do I solve this? Is it to do with graphics driver update?
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> bob518: wich card/driver are we talking about please?
[17:07] <bob518> NVIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 3 GB Max-Q...
[17:07] <bob518> lotuspsychje how can I check the driver?
[17:07] <lotuspsychje> bob518: nvidia-smi
[17:08] <bob518> NVIDIA-SMI 460.91.03    Driver Version: 460.91.03    CUDA Version: 11.2
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> bob518: are you using ubuntu's nvidia driver, or did you manualy install?
[17:11] <bob518> lotuspsychje honestly, it's been awhile. I don't remember.
[17:11] <bob518> Perhaps there's a way to find out.
[17:11] <lotuspsychje> bob518: you can check if yo have ppa's active, and/or ubuntu-drivers list
[17:13] <bob518> It says The device is using an alternative driver. Using NVIDIA driver metapackage from nvidia-driver-460 (proprietary)
[17:14] <bob518> lotuspsychje and it has several other options. Perhaps I need to rollback or choose other options?
[17:17] <lotuspsychje> bob518: could you pastebin your /var/log/dpkg.log please
[17:21] <bob518> lotuspsychje https://pastebin.com/bWNxhchy here it is
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> bob518: you recall wich day resume didnt work anymore?
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> bob518: on 2/10 it installed nvidia 470 so it seems
[17:31] <bob518> lotuspsychje oh I see. So the problem just started occurring from 1-2 days ago
[17:33] <lotuspsychje> bob518: you installed unity desktop ontop gnome? does suspend/resume been tested from unity or gnome?
[17:35] <bob518> lotuspsychje I have no clue to be honest. I googled for similar issues and installed lightdm if that's relevant.
[17:35] <bob518> I haven't tested them.
[17:36] <w3gi> hi. how to change the date format temporarly in a script from dd.mm.yyyy to yyyy-mm-dd?
[17:36] <w3gi> i mean for all commands like ls -l or stat and others
[17:36] <lotuspsychje> bob518: ok, lets try this pick a driver version from ubuntu-drivers list and try switching and testing your resume again
[17:37] <tomreyn> w3gi: LC_TIME
[17:37] <tomreyn> that's an environment variable, which is related to locales
[17:38] <tomreyn> run "locale" to see what is configured now
[17:39] <bob518> lotuspsychje OK, that also mean I'll be reconnecting here a lot. Now question is which one should should I start testing with. Perhaps the last used/installed drivers, if so how to check the order?
[17:45] <bob518> I have nvidia-driver-470,460,450-server,470-server,418-server,460-server,xorg x server
[17:45] <bob518> Right now, I'm using 460
[17:58] <bob518> lotuspsychje thanks, it seems to have resolved the issue.
[18:28] <w3gi> LC_NUMERIC="de_DE.UTF-8"
[18:28] <w3gi> LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
[18:28] <w3gi> LC_COLLATE="de_DE.UTF-8"
[18:29] <w3gi> changed but still german format
[18:30] <w3gi> export LC_TIME=... change the output of locale but don't have an effect on ls -l for example
[18:36] <tomreyn> see locale.gen(5)
[18:36] <tomreyn> you need to have the requested locales generated beforehand
[18:37] <w3gi> ich glaub ich friebel die 3 sparten mit awk oder sowas auseinander und bau die neu zusammen
[18:37] <w3gi> sorry, no german her
[18:37] <w3gi> here
[18:38] <w3gi> i think i will break that 3 parts up with awk or something and assemble it in reverse order
[18:38] <w3gi> but thanks
[18:43] <sarnold> w3gi: I use LC_TIME=C LANG=en_US.UTF-8  because I can't stand the new en_US.UTF-8 time display
[18:46] <w3gi> stat give me 2021-10-22
[18:46] <w3gi> but find give me 10/22/21
[18:47] <w3gi> it's really faster I use a short script to convert the data
[19:00] <TJ-> w3gi: what options to find are you using, to get a date in that form?
[19:01] <w3gi> find ./var/www/ -printf "%Ax;%AT;%Tx;%TT;%Cx;%CT;%m;%U;%G;%s;%p\n"
[19:01] <w3gi> i have it done with 10 lines of py code
[19:01] <w3gi> the online brainfucked me a bit ...
[19:01] <w3gi> so don't mind
[19:03] <TJ-> w3gi: oh, prinf, I thought you meant using -ls/-fls
[19:05] <w3gi> i cambine multipe commands and want to get the infos in a sqlite DB
[19:05] <w3gi> anyway before i create a total mess i wrote a short script
[19:06] <w3gi> stat was OK, ls -l was not effected and -printf give me a strange date
[19:06] <w3gi> ... format
[19:06] <w3gi> so before i fiddle arround for to long i just wrote 10 lines of py and all is done
[19:14] <TJ-> w3gi: find -printf's '+' does it for me: find Desktop -printf "access=%A+; mod=%T+; create=%C+; ;%m;%U;%G;%s;%p\n"
[19:56] <parsek_kubuntu> Hello. I need help on intel wireless connection.
[19:57] <jiggawatt> sure just ask
[19:57] <jiggawatt> !ask
[20:00] <parsek_kubuntu> I have intel wireless card Centrino Wireless-N 1000. A while ago I bought a usb wireless module and somehow disabled the intel one. I am trying to switch the intel, iwlwifi module looks loaded but network manager does not see it.
[20:01] <sarnold> parsek_kubuntu: run 'rfkill', see if it looks blocked or switched off
[20:02] <parsek_kubuntu> 0 wlan      phy0                unblocked unblocked
[20:06] <sarnold> heh, is that just the one output? is that with or without the usb wireless module plugged in?
[20:07] <parsek_kubuntu> there is one more about bluetooth I didnt put here. It is with the usb wireless plugged in.
[20:07] <parsek_kubuntu> ID TYPE      DEVICE                   SOFT      HARD
[20:07] <parsek_kubuntu>  0 wlan      phy0                unblocked unblocked
[20:07] <parsek_kubuntu>  1 bluetooth tpacpi_bluetooth_sw   blocked unblocked
[20:08] <parsek_kubuntu> this is all I got.
[20:09] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: check for the device and a module being loaded: "lspci -nnk -d ::280"
[20:10] <parsek_kubuntu> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 [Condor Peak] [8086:0084]
[20:10] <parsek_kubuntu>         Subsystem: Intel Corporation Centrino Wireless-N 1000 BGN [8086:1315]
[20:10] <parsek_kubuntu>         Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[20:10] <parsek_kubuntu>         Kernel modules: iwlwifi
[20:10] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: that's a good sign
[20:10] <TJ-> !paste  | parsek_kubuntu
[20:11] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu:  can you show us "ls -l /sys/class/net/ | nc termbin.com 9999 "
[20:12] <parsek_kubuntu> https://termbin.com/a9ok
[20:12] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: so you've got both wifi devices up and running
[20:13] <parsek_kubuntu> usb wireless module is the one currently providing my connection. The intel one that I Cannot see
[20:13] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: now check "nmcli radio" are all enabled?
[20:14] <parsek_kubuntu> If I umplug the usb module I loose the connection and can not connect with intel wifi
[20:14] <parsek_kubuntu> WWAN disabled, others are enabled
[20:17] <parsek_kubuntu> in /etc/modprobe.d/ there is iwlwifi.conf file but inside all lines are commented. Does this cause an issue?
[20:17] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: no
[20:17] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: the hardware and driver side is fine
[20:17] <parsek_kubuntu> ok
[20:18] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: I /think/ you've simply tied the SSID to the USB device. Go into the connection editor from the notification area icon, edit the connection, and check if it is tied to the USB Device name
[20:19] <parsek_kubuntu> in the config Restrict to device is empty
[20:22] <TJ-> hmmm, how about "nmcli device status"
[20:23] <TJ-> you many have set the device to unmanaged
[20:23] <parsek_kubuntu> yes
[20:23] <parsek_kubuntu> its state is unmanaged
[20:23] <TJ-> aha!
[20:24] <TJ-> OK, let's try to find that setting. "grep -rn unmanaged /etc/NetworkManager"
[20:25] <Sven_vB> hi! on one of my Ubuntu focal systems, /tmp is a tmpfs but /var/tmp has nothing mounted, seems to be just a regular directory on /. should it be a tmpfs as well, or sould one of {/var,}/tmp be a symlink to the other?
[20:26] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: "nmcli device set wlp3s0 managed yes"
[20:27] <parsek_kubuntu> sorry I was looking a way to paste it
[20:27] <parsek_kubuntu> I am trying the latest command
[20:28] <parsek_kubuntu> I ran it
[20:30] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: that will have set the device to be available
[20:30] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: "nmcli device status" should show it 'disconnected' or similar, but not 'unmanaged' now
[20:30] <parsek_kubuntu> is there a way to check it without loosing this connection
[20:31] <parsek_kubuntu> status still shows unmanaged
[20:31] <TJ-> hmm!
[20:32] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: works fine for me here
[20:32] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: "nmcli device set wlp3s0 managed on"
[20:33] <genii> Sven_vB: Temporary data which is to be semi-persistent and survive reboots usually in /var/tmp, data which is more temporary and can be discarded in /tmp
[20:33] <TJ-> maybe it doesn't like 'yes' as a boolean for 'on' :)
[20:33] <parsek_kubuntu> tried "on" but still unmanaged
[20:34] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: then there's something broken in the ability of your nmcli to talk to the network-manager system daemon. Is your user in the sudo and/or adm groups? do "groups"
[20:34] <parsek_kubuntu> I am in sudo
[20:36] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: that is the command to use. Maybe there's some clue in the log. "journalctl -u NetworkManager --since="10 minutes ago"  "
[20:37] <parsek_kubuntu> adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare, these are the groups
[20:38] <parsek_kubuntu> Oct 29 23:27:36 ThinkPad-Edge NetworkManager[20401]: <info>  [1635539256.0512] audit: op="device-managed" arg="managed" pid=30834 uid=1000 result="success"
[20:38] <parsek_kubuntu> Oct 29 23:27:44 ThinkPad-Edge NetworkManager[20401]: <info>  [1635539264.6064] audit: op="statistics" arg="refresh-rate-ms" pid=1149 uid=1000 result="success"
[20:38] <parsek_kubuntu> Oct 29 23:27:49 ThinkPad-Edge NetworkManager[20401]: <info>  [1635539269.7250] audit: op="statistics" arg="refresh-rate-ms" pid=1149 uid=1000 result="success"
[20:38] <parsek_kubuntu> Oct 29 23:32:59 ThinkPad-Edge NetworkManager[20401]: <info>  [1635539579.5897] audit: op="device-managed" arg="managed" pid=32216 uid=1000 result="success"
[20:38] <parsek_kubuntu> sorry for the long lines
[20:41] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: I see the same in the log here with the arg="managed" result="success"
[20:42] <parsek_kubuntu> it did not give any error but device status not showing
[20:44] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: I've tried it several ways here and it always works
[20:45] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: did you find any matches with that 'grep' command I gave earlier?
[20:45] <parsek_kubuntu> no
[20:45] <TJ-> parsek_kubuntu: try this one, slightly different "grep -rn managed /etc/NetworkManager"
[20:49] <parsek_kubuntu> I cannot paste here
[20:49] <mybalzitch> | pastebinit
[20:49] <sarnold> grep whatever | nc termbin.com 9999   is pretty handy
[20:49] <sarnold> mybalzitch: does that still work? I thought the recent paste.ubuntu.com changes made that pretty useless :(
[20:50] <parsek_kubuntu> https://termbin.com/5seh
[20:50] <parsek_kubuntu> it worked this time
[20:50] <mybalzitch> sarnold: it has flags to use other services
[20:51] <sarnold> mybalzitch: I tried a few others without success :( it's just bitrotted away :(
[20:52] <sarnold> parsek_kubuntu: hah, one line pastes here are fine..
[20:52] <parsek_kubuntu> somehow it did not let me
[20:53] <parsek_kubuntu> TJ there is one match
[20:54] <EriC^> parsek_kubuntu: that's cause it starts with "/", have to add an extra / at the start to escape it
[20:55] <sarnold> oh :) haha
[20:55] <Sven_vB> genii, thanks for clarifying
[20:55] <parsek_kubuntu> thanks Eric^. how do I reply a message?
[20:56] <sarnold> irc doesn't really have a 'reply to a message' thing, it's just a stream of unrelated messages
[20:56] <EriC^> parsek_kubuntu: type the first few letters of the nick then hit TAB to autocomplete, if that's what you mean
[20:56] <parsek_kubuntu> EriC^ yep
[20:56] <genii> Sven_vB: Glad to be of assistance.
[21:42] <omarramo> hey guys, i'm using wayland now. what would be the optimal tool to create custom keybindings (such as right alt + hjkl = arrow keys) under wayland?
[21:47] <matsaman> omarramo: that's down to the compositor I believe
[22:05] <morganu> I have realized that my computer slows down to unworkable while I am listening to yt on chrome and a software update comes on (behind chrome) and I cant get to anything. This has happened twice today. It wwould make sense to be bale to have these updates automatic and not waiting for my personal approval. This way it is going is D.U.M.B. in spades.  20.04 pretty vanilla (I made the dock different.)
[22:11] <keyjoo> hi everybody.
[22:18] <tomreyn> morganu: you can use unattended-upgrades (a configurable script provided by package unattended-upgrades, see /etc/apt/conf.d/50unattended-upgrades)  rather than the update-manager-core provided desktop upgrade mechanism + frontend (by installing the former and  uninstalling the latter)
[22:19] <morganu> I have been reporting on this problems (thinking it was chrome and not the upgrade app)
[22:20] <morganu> hi tomreyn you and I have been talking about this. So I will go look at this. Thanks.
[22:20] <tomreyn> morganu: there is a global setting for apt to limit download bandwidth - i do not knwo whether this applies to upgrade-manager, though, or whether bandwidth is the problem causing what you're reporting. The setting is    Acquire::http::Dl-Limit "70";
[22:21] <tomreyn> i know that "unattended-upgrades" uses it
[22:22] <morganu> I have copied your advice. So far I dont understand how to apply it. I have never used a "configurable script: or looked at one provided by a package.
[22:24] <tomreyn> morganu: oh, so before oyu change too much, maybe the first thing to do is to get a better idea of what actually causes the video playback to pause there. i can think of two reasons: insufficient bandwidth for both the video stream and the downloads. or insufficient storage I/O bandwidth while the system is already swapping (for lack of RAM) and also writing updates to disk
[22:24] <morganu> tomreyn,  I am supposed  uninstall  the update-manager-core provided desktop upgrade mechanism + frontend  and install /etc/apt/conf.d/50unattended-upgrades)
[22:24] <morganu> //
[22:25] <morganu> I have zero idea of how to do that but... it doesnt matter if it is a video or not, chrome slows to unusable.
[22:25] <tomreyn> morganu: now it's probably not easy to tell which of these it will be. can you remind me how much ram this system has installed?
[22:26] <morganu> 8G
[22:26] <tomreyn> so chrome generally becomes slow, not just the video playback?
[22:26] <morganu> I dont know how to tell how much ram is available. I have looked for "a way".
[22:26] <tomreyn> i.e. you can't really interact with chrome menus while it happens?
[22:26] <tomreyn> vmstat -S | head -n1    i think
[22:27] <morganu> right Sometimes the mouse will just be unusable and then I have to hard reboot.
[22:27] <tomreyn> sorry, lower case S
[22:27] <tomreyn> vmstat -s | head -n1
[22:27] <morganu> remembe back when we were checiking my temperatures?
[22:28] <morganu> that tells my total memory not what is being used.
[22:28] <morganu>   8056680 K total memory
[22:28] <tomreyn> i do remember us working before, a bit of it ;)
[22:29] <tomreyn> free -h   is maybe more of what you want
[22:29] <morganu> used 3.1Gi free 2.6Gi  and swap 2.0 used 453Mi
[22:30] <tomreyn> what matters are "total" and "available"
[22:30] <tomreyn> and the percentage of swap used
[22:32] <tomreyn> maybe you can run chrome and play a youtube video and then do    free -h | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:33] <morganu> ok
[22:34] <morganu> https://termbin.com/azn7
[22:34] <morganu> looks fine
[22:34] <tomreyn> yes, at least so far that's not a problem
[22:34] <tomreyn> this might change if swap runs full over time
[22:35] <tomreyn> but just the fact that it is swapping could already pose a problem if the system needs to write swap to disk ad at the same time write new updates to disk from the system upgrade happening in the background
[22:35] <tomreyn> do you have a hdd in there, or an ssd?
[22:37] <Ologn> If I am on Ubuntu 20.10, how do I upgrade to 21.10 (or at least 20.04)?
[22:37] <Ologn> Anything I do on the command line seems to fail
[22:37] <Ologn> I mean
[22:37] <morganu> I have one hard drive and no ssd tomreyn
[22:37] <Ologn> at least Ubuntu 21.04...but preferably 21.10
[22:38] <tomreyn> morganu: can you post   journalctl -b | grep 'kernel: ata' | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:38] <morganu> it only happens when I have NOT sterted an update. the system tells me one is available and hides the window underneath chrome.
[22:38] <tomreyn> morganu: oh, maybe i didn't read properly - let me re-check
[22:39] <morganu> that last instruction just stops and does not give me another prompt.
[22:40] <morganu> interesting, it does not show on the command history.
[22:40] <tomreyn> morganu: hmm, di you copy and paste it, or typed it? the latter means you may have missed a character, such a single quotation mark
[22:40] <tomreyn> *diD
[22:42] <tomreyn> Ologn: do-release-upgrade -c
[22:42] <tomreyn> Ologn: or, if you prefer it graphical: update-manager -c
[22:42] <Ologn> I get
[22:42] <Ologn> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[22:42] <Ologn> Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore.
[22:42] <morganu> that last instruction just stops and does not give me another prompt.     ---- Oh i see, the first part (before the first pipe) has no end.
[22:43] <morganu> I copy-pasted
[22:43] <tomreyn> Ologn:    lsb_release -ds    should report which ubuntu release you are running
[22:43] <Ologn> $ lsb_release -a
[22:43] <Ologn> No LSB modules are available.
[22:43] <Ologn> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[22:43] <Ologn> Description:	Ubuntu 20.10
[22:43] <tomreyn> Ologn: oh oyu wrote 20.10. indeed, that's no longer supported for a good while now.
[22:43] <tomreyn> !paste | Ologn
[22:44] <Ologn> I installed this in March
[22:44] <morganu> this:   journalctl -b | grep 'kernel: ata' | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:44] <tomreyn> morganu: hmm, here it would run and return to the shell, after printing a url. i'm not sure what's different for you.
[22:45] <tomreyn> morganu: maybe this is better:    dmesg | grep ' ata' |& nc termbin.com 9999
[22:45] <morganu> no man entry for journalcti
[22:46] <tomreyn> morganu: that's journalCTL
[22:46] <morganu> https://termbin.com/yeqbp
[22:46] <tomreyn> !20.10 | Ologn
[22:46] <morganu> that: is beyond my pay grade.
[22:47] <genii> Ologn: You need to change the urls in your sources.list to be old-releases.ubuntu.com and then do a dist-upgrade. Then do-release-upgrade should work
[22:47] <nergar> hi
[22:47] <tomreyn> morganu: sorry. let me think of a better way.
[22:47] <Ologn> genii: ok
[22:47] <Ologn> thanks
[22:47] <genii> Ologn: Alternately, just do a fresh install of a supported release
[22:47] <morganu> journalCTL: command not found
[22:48] <morganu> tomreyn, tellme, for my understanding. what are you trying to do here?
[22:48] <nergar> what do I need to start openbox with startx besides adding `exec openbox-session` to my xinitrc?
[22:48] <tomreyn> morganu: so you typed "journalcti" there, with a lower case I character at the end. but it needs to be a lower case L
[22:48] <nergar> when run startx I just get a black screen
[22:49] <nergar> (testing in vbox, btw)
[22:49] <tomreyn> morganu: i was trying to get a better understanding of how much data can be trasnferred between your mainboard / cpu and your HDD per second.
[22:51] <tomreyn> morganu: there are two possible reasons i can think of why chrome would become inresponsice in the situation you described: (1) the ram running full, (2) the HDD or connection to it being too slow to transfer all the data (of both the ram being swpped to disk, to free up RAM, as well as the new updated being written to disk) in time.
[22:53] <tomreyn> morganu: to get a better idea of whether it may be the HDD, i wanted to see what the SATA bandwidth is between the HDD and the CPU, which is where this data would flow at the time.
[22:54] <tomreyn> morganu: but most likely the problem will be a combination of the two: not so fast disk writes, and a need to both swap out memory to disk while also eneding to write updates (i think the updates already downloads and installs some updates before it prompts you to also install others)
[22:56] <illia> hello guys
[22:57] <tomreyn> morganu: you could buy an SSD to replace the HDD as a system disk, this *may* solve the problem. but you might lso want more RAM if you will run the default gnome desktop (which is a bit heavy on RAM - but there are others), and maybe the you also need a newer cpu - i do not know / remember what you have there.
[22:58] <tomreyn> Ologn: sorry for not helping out with how to proceed. did you find a way now?
[22:59] <tomreyn> morganu: oh, and i missed your paste at https://termbin.com/yeqbp - sorry
[23:06] <tomreyn> morganu:so you have a SATA 3 (6.0 gigabit/second) connection to the HDD, which is a 7200 rpm Seagate Barracuda "7200.14" with 500GB capacity. An SSD may help tremendously, depending on which CPU you have in there. the command     cat /proc/cpuinfo     or just    lscpu   should tell.
[23:06] <morganu> so you are telling me that ubuntu doesnt work on 2017 hardware?
[23:07] <tomreyn> morganu: i don't. i'm just saying it may work better if you replace a hdd by an ssd
[23:08] <morganu> everything works better with more money
[23:08] <tomreyn> morganu: you can certainly make this system work well. do you actuall yuse chrome, or chromium?
[23:09] <TJ-> tomreyn: is it the regular package updater running in background causing this? and is it starting on its own or is user allowing it to proceed?
[23:09] <tomreyn> TJ-: i'm assuming a lot, i don't know how to get the missing details.
[23:09] <gschanuel> hello there! I'm trying to create an ubuntu 21.04 vsphere template to use cloud-init and vsphere guestinfo from a preinstalled vm.. been on this task the whole day without success
[23:09] <morganu> results: x86_64 byte order Little Endian, address 39bits phyaical, 48 virtual. 4 cpu's on-line CPUs 1-3, treads persocre 1 cores per societ 4 sockets 1 numa node 1 vendor id genuine intel cpu family 6, model 69, Ix86_64
[23:10] <gschanuel> ubuntu boots but just doesn't read (or apply) the guestinfo.userdata
[23:10] <morganu> tomreyn, I use chrome.
[23:10] <morganu> that's why I say chrome when speaking of my browser. (BTW the same thing happens with ff)
[23:11] <tomreyn> morganu: okay, i was just wondering whether it's chrome or chromium because some people actually don't separate them as you do, think of them as the same, but they are packaged differently, so it can matter.
[23:11] <TJ-> morganu: this updater that is in the background (behind chrome window) how does it get there? does it start on its own and drop behind the chrome window, or do you have some interaction with it first?
[23:11] <gschanuel> I basically followed this guide from https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/cloud-adoption-framework/manage/hybrid/server/best-practices/vmware-ubuntu-template, but before shutting down the vm I ran `cloud-init clean && cloud-init clean -l`
[23:12] <tomreyn> morganu: but if this also happens with firefox, that's more likely a general issue then.
[23:13] <morganu> tomreyn, I never see the updater dialog box until I use terminal to kill chrome
[23:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: unless gnome does things differently, the GUI package updater dialog needs to be told to go ahead, or "remind me later"
[23:13] <TJ-> tomreyn: and it does nothing unless given permission
[23:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: here's what morganu reported initially (not sure you spotted this): "My computer slows down to unworkable while I am listening to yt on chrome and a software update comes on (behind chrome) and I cant get to anything. [..] It wwould make sense to be bale to have these updates automatic and not waiting for my personal approval."
[23:14] <TJ-> morganu: ^^^ what is the dialog for the updater showing when you reveal it? is it showing packages being updated, ir just sitting there waiting?
[23:15] <tomreyn> TJ-: i think update-manager works the same on gnome as it works on other graphical desktops
[23:15] <TJ-> morganu: because unless things have changed and it starts updating on its own without being told, the dialog should just be waiting for you to tell it to start now, or "remind me later"
[23:16] <TJ-> morganu: can you show us " journalctl --user -b 0 | nc termbinc.com 9999 "
[23:16] <tomreyn> TJ-: i *think* i've had updatemnagaer automatically install security updates, then prompts and ask whether i want it to also install non security updates - that's the sceanrio i was thinking of
[23:16] <gschanuel> and before converting to a template I ran `govc -e guestinfo.userdata="${USERDATA}"` with $USERDATA being `export USERDATA=$(gzip -c9 <userdata.yaml | { base64 -w0 2>/dev/null || base64; })` what may I be missing here?
[23:17] <tomreyn> * update-manager
[23:17] <tomreyn> TJ-: but things may actually have changed more with the ubuntu software store snap
[23:18] <TJ-> tomreyn: oh no, not a snap too!?
[23:18] <tomreyn> yes, yes
[23:19] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/install/snap-store/ubuntu
[23:19] <tomreyn> i don't know whether this also handles updates now, though, or whether that's still done by update-manager
[23:20] <TJ-> it's becoming a fragmented mess
[23:20] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1252134/has-ubuntu-software-been-renamed-to-snap-store
[23:20] <genii> heh
[23:24] <tomreyn> morganu: that's an intel "haswell" generation ultra-mobile ("ULT") CPU you have there. i'm not sure which exactly, but that should be fine for doing both in parallel.
[23:24] <isay> d
[23:25] <tomreyn> (those CPUs are from 2013 or 2014)
[23:34] <morganu> tomreyn, that sounds good.  btw solved or not, I want to thank you for the multiple help threads that you are handling.
[23:35] <sarnold> !cookie tomreyn
[23:36] <morganu> You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[23:36] <morganu> (I looked it up.)
[23:36] <Bashing-om> !cookie | tomreyn
[23:38] <sarnold> :D
[23:38] <tomreyn> thanks :)
[23:46] <gschanuel> no one into my cloud-init stuff?
[23:46] <gschanuel> =/
[23:48] <sarnold> gschanuel: sorry, it's just (a) cloud-init stuff is more of a server thing than desktop thing (b) vsphere is pretty rare (c) already the weekend for many folks
[23:49] <tomreyn> (there's #ubuntu-server)
[23:51] <gschanuel> thanks sarnold & tomreyn.. gonna try #ubuntu-server ;-)
[23:51] <tomreyn> but the same applies there about the timing ;)
[23:56] <gschanuel> I see.. gonna post there an see.. then try again on monday ;-)