[15:33] <Scary_Guy> Yeah, the problem is the media on each side is generally full of horsecrap.  I think more people trust Wiki.  So while it may be easier it's certainly not as effective.
[15:35] <Scary_Guy> Well, at leas FOX/CNN/HLN.  MSNBC is pretty credible as far as I can tell, but they also tend to lean hard left which turns off people on the right.
[15:35] <Scary_Guy> That's the other problem is we create our own walled gardens/echo chambers over time tuning out media we hate.
[15:36] <Scary_Guy> Wiki is pretty nonpartisan (though I guess not enough for some which is why Conservapedia and Rationalwiki exist.)
[16:49] <greg-g> conservapedia and rationalwiki are decidedly not non-partisan :) Wikipedia is many times more nonpartisan than they are. Conservapedia is explicitly partisan.
[16:51] <greg-g> I can't find the link right now, but there is at least one study, I think corroborated, that shows that the more contentious the issue (think: abortion, etc) the higher quality the Wikipedia article is about that topic. The beauty is the Talk: page where editors engage in discussion/debate about what should be added and how it should be phrased. It's not "fun" work but the outcome is higher
[16:51] <greg-g> quality than any single person's take on it. All stemming from our NPOV (Neutral Point of View) policy.
[16:51]  * greg-g stops being a shill :P
[17:11] <jrwren> thank you for your service
[17:18] <greg-g> I just help the developers write the software, the real magic is the editor community. Software is just software.
[18:31] <jrwren> you work for a non-profit. that is service ;)
[18:49] <greg-g> some days it's harder than others :)
[19:07] <greg-g> (the hard days are when I read FIRE subreddits and cry when I see DINKs living in the bay area asking "do you think we're saving enough?" when they're saving/investing $150k/yr)
[19:26] <cmaloney> Ye gads
[19:28] <greg-g> some folks have no perspective :)
[19:34] <greg-g> cmaloney: btw, thank you, going through your recent bandcamp purchases provided me with some great getting shit done music today
[19:35] <cmaloney> Thank you. :)
[19:35]  * cmaloney goes to see what I purchased. :)
[19:35] <cmaloney> I don't have a problem.
[19:36] <cmaloney> Finding that Ozric Tentacles was on Bandcamp was fucking amazing.
[19:36] <cmaloney> And yeah, I've been on a Detroit music kick lately
[20:11] <jrwren> greg-g: try r/fatfire and read about the FAANG employees
[20:11] <jrwren> I love bandcamp. It is my favorite store.
[20:11] <jrwren> https://ozrictentaclesmagnacarta.bandcamp.com this?
[20:14] <cmaloney> https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/vitamin-enhanced-2021-ed-wynne-remaster has more of the non-Magna Carta albums
[20:14] <cmaloney> but yes, that's part of their discography
[20:14] <cmaloney> https://kscopemusic.bandcamp.com/album/space-for-the-earth-the-tour-that-didnt-happen-edition <- latest album
[20:15] <cmaloney> https://bandcamp.com/craigmaloney
[20:57] <greg-g> jrwren: no thanks :)
[21:10] <cmaloney> "Single 48 y.o. FIREing next year. What do other american FIREs do for healthcare (other than leave the country)? All my options suck AND they're expensive"
[21:11] <cmaloney> Pardon me while I point to the Affordable Care Act and say "fix it"
[21:14] <greg-g> :)
[21:14] <greg-g> ^ hence the popularity of "baristaFIRE", where you work somewhere like Starbucks, that gives you healthcare at some part-time level hours.
[21:15] <cmaloney> There's only so many of those jobs available
[21:30] <jrwren> no shit... and if you can't pay teh $1200/mo to buy health care, then maybe you aren't ready to FIRE?