[00:00] <TJ-> brutex: did you check the file type as I suggested?
[00:01] <TJ-> brutex: it isn't clear what you're doing there. Setting up a local disk archive repository?
[00:01] <brutex> TJ-, i cannot understand u
[00:01] <brutex> TJ-, yes
[00:02] <TJ-> brutex: so the archive repository is missing a key file "Release" (or "InRelease")
[00:02] <brutex> TJ-, what i need to type
[00:02] <TJ-> brutex: what type is the .pub file, use "file path/to/file.pub" to find out
[00:04] <brutex> TJ-, /var/cuda-repo-ubuntu2004-11-5-local/7fa2af80.pub: PGP public key block Public-Key (old)
[00:05] <TJ-> brutex: aahhh "old"
[00:05] <brutex> old yes
[00:05] <brutex> apt-key deprecated:)
[00:05] <brutex> add
[00:07] <TJ-> brutex: you'll need to use 'gpg' to convert that file to the required format. I'm not sure how you'd do it, but it likely means you create a temporary keyring, import that 'old' key into the keyring, then export it in the correct format
[00:17] <Sven_vB> hi :) I need a DNS override like /etc/hosts but for a a wildcard subdomain. is there an easier way with Ubuntu, than setting up a bind9 in my LAN?
[00:17] <Sven_vB> +focal
[00:18] <Sven_vB> in case it helps, I control the official DNS for the subdomain but from within my LAN I want it resolved to a local server rather than the public one.
[00:19] <Sven_vB> *from my Ubuntu machines in my LAN
[00:54] <brutex> TJ-: how to convert it with which cmds
[00:59] <noarb-> when I login via ssh and see the pam_motd, I have a few br-<> devices, a vbr0, docker0, and my traditional ethernet. `ip route show` shows a few are 'linkdown', can I remove these if things are functional otherwise? The linkdown are for a br-<> device and a virbr0 device
[01:03] <TJ-> noarb-: scripts are usually found in /etc/update-motd.d/
[01:04] <klausfiend> noarb-: if they're not going to persist (or get recreated) by a reboot, you can use `ip link del <ifname>` (i think that's the syntax)
[01:34] <brutex> why after compiling a new custom kernel i got on boot dropping to BusyBox shell?
[01:35] <brutex> 21.10
[01:35] <brutex> i am using make -j 5 bindeb-pkg and then dpkg -i pkgs?
[01:35] <brutex> custom try with make, make modules_install and make install turns me the same
[01:36] <brutex> after grub-update and reboot
[01:37] <brutex> initrd problems?
[02:01] <computerjoe314> Is there a way I can make it that my computer automatically enters the "Power Saver" mode found in settings every time I turn it on?
[02:07] <ravage> computerjoe314: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PowerManagement/ReducedPower
[02:10] <computerjoe314> Thank you!
[02:26] <rwinner> Hi all, does nm-applet work in fluxbox? Or must I use iwconfig? thanks
[02:49] <ravage> rwinner: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox " For example, to get the usual networking icon in the taskbar, you can put nm-applet & at the bottom of ~/.fluxbox/startup."
[02:51] <rwinner> ravage: thanks. I see there's also wpa_gui, but I dont' think it's in the repositories....
[02:52] <ravage> no idea. never used fluxbox. that was a google result
[02:53] <rwinner> ravage: Yea, I used to be a heavy user back in the day; thought it might be interesting to give it a whirl just to check it out...
[04:51] <Guest9102> hello
[04:51] <Guest9102> anybody awake?
[05:16] <yukiup> O_O
[06:06] <katnis> what does -ia do on command?
[06:07] <katnis> ls -ia
[06:07] <Obscenity> man ls
[06:07] <katnis> forgot about manual
[06:07] <katnis> thank you
[06:07] <Obscenity> i always use ls -lash
[06:08] <katnis> sorry i am new so i gotta look up everything you say
[07:27] <rfm> Y'now about 1988 when I first started using Unix, I just read straight thru the entire manual (all man pages)..  Now do you start now?
[07:34] <Tas-sos> Hello Ubuntu community! o/
[07:35] <Tas-sos> I've a script that when ends return some exit codes, can I push/force it with some trick to return every time 0 ?
[07:35] <Tas-sos> with some pipeline ro something.. ?
[07:36] <rfm> Tas-sos, easiest would be to wrap in another script that runs the other script and then does exit 0..
[07:36] <katnis> installed locate, tried to update the database with sudo updatedb but it says permission denied :/ even tho i am root
[07:38] <rfm> Tas-sos, I suspect a script that did "otherscript || true" might do it \
[07:38] <Tas-sos>  rfm: Very nice idea, but this is not possible for me use case.. its need to execute exactly this script..
[07:41] <rfm> Tas-sos, so you have some very exact requirements there. You would have to give a very exact description of the situation and the restrictions on what you can do for anybody to help.
[07:42] <ravage> also this sounds like a question for #bash
[07:44] <rfm> katnis, any network (like NFS) file systems mounted?
[07:44] <katnis> will samba be your answeer??
[07:44] <katnis> oh btw it fixed itself
[07:44] <katnis> idk if i can say it as "fixed"
[07:44] <katnis> updatedb just updated itself
[07:45] <katnis> thats why i couldnt touch it
[07:45] <katnis> but thanks for the attention :D
[07:46] <portmanteau> I just did a clean install of lubuntu 21.04 and after about 15 minutes the CPU load goes to 100%. I think it's an automatic update but the problem remains even after I uncheck all updates in the software sources control panel.
[07:46] <portmanteau> thanks in advance
[07:48] <katnis> portmanteau: did u check ur cpu usage?
[07:48] <portmanteau> yes
[07:48] <katnis> and there was nothing?
[07:49] <portmanteau> what did I say my CPU load was?
[07:49] <katnis> 100
[07:49] <rfm> portmanteau, well, if background update is already running, clicking off boxes won't stop it.  I'd run "top" in window and see if unattended-updates or dpkg is eating all the time
[07:49] <rfm> portmanteau, and if it was I'd just let it finish...
[07:49] <katnis> thats mystery
[07:49] <portmanteau> I agree but just out of curiosity I want to know so I can disable it
[07:50] <portmanteau> also I don't know how long this auto-update is going to last or if it's an update at all
[07:53] <rfm> portmanteau, well, did you run top to see who was eating the cpu?
[07:55] <portmanteau> not yet I'm waiting for the problem to come back
[07:55] <portmanteau> is software sources the only place in lubuntu to configure updates and auto updates?
[07:56] <alkisg> No, snap updates cannot be disabled except by some ninja-fu that the "casper" program of live CDs does
[07:57] <portmanteau> I don't even know what snap updates are
[07:57] <portmanteau> rfm I can't even get to the terminal when it occurs so I can't run top
[07:57] <alkisg> Run: snap list | nc termbin.com 9999
[07:59] <alkisg> Ubuntu has two different software installation methods currently, apt and snap. Apt updates can be easily disabled, while snap program updates cannot be disabled easily.
[07:59] <portmanteau> no snaps are installed it says
[07:59] <portmanteau> what is snap anyway?
[07:59] <alkisg> A program. https://snapcraft.io/
[07:59] <portmanteau> this is a fresh install of the OS
[08:00] <alkisg> But if you have no snaps installed, then that's not the problem
[08:00] <portmanteau> is there a way to disable all snap automatic updates
[08:00] <rfm> portmanteau, you can always open another terminal with ctrl-alt-t
[08:00] <portmanteau> okay got it thank you
[08:00] <portmanteau> thank you that's a cool shortcut
[08:00] <alkisg> sudo apt purge snap => removes snap along with all its programs; if you say you have none, it won't remove any programs :)
[08:00] <portmanteau> I really am a newbie
[08:01] <portmanteau> okay let me try that
[08:01] <alkisg> sudo apt purge snapd   (not snap)
[08:01] <portmanteau> so this USB drive I bought on eBay... can I use the non-persistent partition to refresh the persistent one?
[08:02] <portmanteau> okay cool I did not command and snapped was not removed because it was not installed
[08:02] <alkisg> (as I said in #linux, I won't answer that one, really, persistence is a completely different topic which it own problems, I really doubt some ebay seller got it right)
[08:03] <alkisg> sudo apt purge snapd, not snap
[08:03] <alkisg> If snap list said "no snaps installed", it means that snapd WAS installed, to answer that...
[08:03] <portmanteau> it said try snap install hello world
[08:04] <portmanteau> and it downloaded something about 15 MB big and I'm scared now
[08:04] <alkisg> Which apt purge command did you type?
[08:04] <portmanteau> I didn't
[08:04] <portmanteau> let me try
[08:05] <alkisg> > okay cool I did not command and snapped was not removed because it was not installed
[08:05] <portmanteau> I'm a little nervous doing this because I shouldn't have problems right out of the box like this
[08:05] <alkisg> With an official lubuntu stick, sure
[08:05] <portmanteau> and I don't want to ruin my nice clean persistent partition
[08:05] <alkisg> With an unofficial ebay stick with custom persistence => a whole lot of issues
[08:06] <portmanteau> it can't be that hard to make a USB stick without problems
[08:06] <portmanteau> I'm not going to Shell out money for an official stick on the off chance that this guy with great feedback screwed something up
[08:06] <alkisg> Did you ever try to implement custom persistence?
[08:06] <alkisg> You don't need money to install lubuntu in a stick
[08:06] <alkisg> It's free
[08:07] <alkisg> You just need to follow the official installation instructions
[08:07] <portmanteau> I'm more likely to screw something up then someone on eBay who sells many of them
[08:08] <portmanteau> besides I don't have a system to do that
[08:08] <portmanteau> that's why I bought a stick
[08:08] <alkisg> The results say otherwise though; NOW you have a system that crashes after 15 minutes
[08:08] <alkisg> I never had one of them, using the official instructions :)
[08:08] <portmanteau> the results are me talking into irc
[08:08] <portmanteau> I have faith in the stick
[08:09] <portmanteau> anyway let's just wait around until the problem comes back and I will
[08:09] <portmanteau> use htop to identify what is taking up the CPU
[08:09] <alkisg> OK anyway; regarding actions, you can have a `top` command running already to see what's causing this, and you could also uninstall snap in case that's  to blame
[08:09] <portmanteau> yeah thank you I will remember the snapd uninstall command
[08:10] <portmanteau> so far so good though and now I learned how to open a new terminal with the keyboard and install something with SNAP
[08:10] <portmanteau> do you know why they added something in addition to apt?
[08:10] <alkisg> To see what kind of perstistence that person implemented, the commands are `mount` and `df -h` and `sudo lsblk --fs`
[08:10] <portmanteau> what can snap do that apt cannot?
[08:10] <alkisg> snap allows the vendors to send updates whenever they want
[08:10] <alkisg> While apt is managed by the distribution
[08:11] <alkisg> So e.g. a .deb firefox would be sent by canonical, and a .snap firefox would be sent by mozilla
[08:11] <rfm> portmanteau, wouldn't you be happier with debian, or maybe gentoo?
[08:11] <ravage> it's just canonical's version of the microsoft store
[08:13] <portmanteau> oh I see
[08:13] <portmanteau> why do you think I would be happier?
[08:13] <portmanteau> I just want it to go as fast as possible
[08:13] <portmanteau> and I'm a complete newbie
[08:13] <portmanteau> those are the only criteria
[08:14] <portmanteau> I know enough Linux to configure znc on a vps and that's it
[08:14] <portmanteau> and how to navigate man cages and the little vim
[08:14] <ravage> thats more than a lot of people can do
[08:14] <portmanteau> s/cages/pages
[08:15] <portmanteau> ty I've been ready to learn Linux for a long time now
[08:15] <alkisg> And sed expressions is a whole lot more :D
[08:15] <portmanteau> yeah I've been ready to learn for a long long time, but reasons
[08:15] <rfm> so, gentoo is what you want, it's the fastest possible. start at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Full/Installation
[08:15] <alkisg> gentoo for newbies, excellent :D
[08:15] <ravage> that is really bad advice
[08:16] <alkisg> (it's for very advanced users...)
[08:16] <portmanteau> yeah don't forget the newbie part
[08:16] <portmanteau> and it seems to be running impressively fast considering the shipping cost more on this used computer
[08:16] <portmanteau> it's a core 2 Duo about 11 years old
[08:16] <alkisg> How much ram?
[08:16] <portmanteau> it would barely run Vista with a 3.3 on the Windows experience scale
[08:17] <portmanteau> currently one gig but I have four gigs coming
[08:17] <portmanteau> and it looks like I will need to change the hard-drive out
[08:17] <ravage> please upgrade asap. 1GB is insane :)
[08:17] <portmanteau> well I will but the processor is terrible
[08:17] <alkisg> With 1 GB it'll crash with out of ram, or hang with full swap usage
[08:17] <ravage> you could just look for a used notebook :)
[08:18] <alkisg> 32bit or 64bit lubuntu?
[08:18] <ravage> portable and you can connect it to a monitor
[08:18] <alkisg> dpkg --print-architecture
[08:18]  * enyc meows ravage alkisg portmanteau 
[08:18] <portmanteau> 64-bit
[08:18] <alkisg> Hey enyc
[08:18] <ravage> good morning
[08:18] <alkisg> Yeah that's completely insane
[08:18] <portmanteau> thank you for the suggestions but I believe I'll stick with lubuntu for now
[08:19] <enyc> portmanteau: a few use core-2-duo's still...  sometimes cpu chip can be updated for a few-pounds ebay update too  if you can change with thermal paste etc...  BUT...  they are often a bit slow for modern usage.
[08:19] <alkisg> portmanteau: wait for the extra RAM before you troubleshoot more, as it's certainly an issue; it might be automatically solved when you get the extra RAM
[08:19] <ravage> i used my c2d for a very long time
[08:19] <enyc> portmanteau: 3rd-gen core-i5's etc aren't expensive to find in machines
[08:21] <enyc> portmanteau: look for used thinkpads =) x230 t430 ... etc...
[08:22] <portmanteau> enyc do those have the little finger nubbin in the middle of the keyboard?
[08:22] <ravage> they do :D
[08:22] <portmanteau> what are those called again?
[08:22] <enyc> portmanteau: yes, trackpoint, which there are 3 varieties of keycaps
[08:22] <portmanteau> I love those things
[08:22] <portmanteau> I'm a little surprised it isn't more popular
[08:22] <enyc> portmanteau: in any case, just... if you are looking for cheap/used machines for linux, and (in most cases) not wanting 3d-acceleration,  used thinkpads are (in general) good reliable staple option
[08:23] <enyc> portmanteau: seem to last a lot lot better than hp-consumer stuff and IME old-dells too
[08:23] <portmanteau> okay if I can't get this system working well I'll go for that
[08:23] <portmanteau> IME?
[08:23] <enyc> portmanteau: In My Experience
[08:23] <alkisg> portmanteau: seek your CPU in cpubenchmark.net, and tell us the score. If it's over 1000, it's acceptable
[08:23] <portmanteau> alright thank you so much for all the help
[08:24] <portmanteau> can I measure it right on the website?
[08:24] <alkisg> Yeah just tell us the model name, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[08:24] <portmanteau> wait nevermind I can just look it up one second
[08:24] <portmanteau> I think I remember it was 800 something but let me check
[08:24] <enyc> alkisg portmanteau :  "lscpu"  is a useful tool available now
[08:24] <alkisg> grep model /proc/cpuinfo
[08:25] <ravage> mine was. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+E6600+%40+2.40GHz&id=912
[08:26] <enyc> A friend has a core-2-duo in HP-compaq DX2300...  had to replace E2160 cpu with E6600  (improved performance noticeably too)   to get VT-X virtualization support
[08:26] <portmanteau> which number am I looking at the average CPU mark?
[08:27] <portmanteau> I'm a T5800 core 2 duo @ 2ghz
[08:27] <alkisg> portmanteau:  https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+T5800+%40+2.00GHz&id=990 ==> 542 score
[08:27] <enyc> However, the stupid HP bios was disabling Virtualization and I had to  MODBIN  the bios-image  in order to get a working image  which when reflashed and cmos-reset would THEN  enable virtualization in an option which had no actual menu-item grrrrrrrrr
[08:27] <ravage> so my current CPU is more than 10 times faster. interesting. never checked the score
[08:28] <alkisg> It can show youtube, but not e.g. full HD. I wouldn't invest too much on it
[08:28] <Disconsented> That's a 13 year old fixed frequency dual core, you don't need some terrible benchmark site to tell you its slow :P
[08:28] <portmanteau> lol yeah, 642
[08:28] <portmanteau> it's kind of like having a slow but new car
[08:28] <ravage> dont waste money on that system. look for something new/used :)
[08:28] <Disconsented> ^
[08:28] <portmanteau> flooring it everywhere. love that
[08:29] <portmanteau> it was $10
[08:29] <portmanteau> :D
[08:29] <ravage> new HDD and RAM will cost more than 10$
[08:29] <portmanteau> yes, with new battery charger,
[08:30] <portmanteau> the ram $13 and the used hd $20 but i can get a refund on the hdd
[08:30] <portmanteau> because it seems to be a lemon
[08:30] <alkisg> For new purchases, even second hand, look for cpubenchmark score over 2000
[08:30] <enyc> portmanteau: the T5800 is one of the better core-2-duos   but +1 I agree as others say  excepting maybe few quid adding some ram  (those machines often work with upto about 4gb ram which often only 3gb usable)   not worth bothering with....
[08:31] <alkisg> E.g. a typical new laptop may have 8000+ score
[08:31] <portmanteau> in all, if you can get me a 15" computer with SSD and 4gb ram and blu ray-rw all for about $125 please tell me where
[08:31] <portmanteau> i will need a system for school
[08:31] <Disconsented> I doubt you need a bluray reader/writer for school
[08:31] <enyc> portmanteau: blu-ray drives are the oddity in your request, lots of machines don't bother with optical drives built in
[08:32] <portmanteau> yeah I just said that for context
[08:32] <portmanteau> I don't know if the system is good value or not but it went kind of a test to see if they're ready quickly I could get a very very cheap system on eBay
[08:32] <portmanteau> s/it went/it was
[08:32] <enyc> portmanteau: this might be best moved to the #hardware channel
[08:33] <enyc> no longer an ubuntu disgussion
[08:33] <Disconsented> Eh, we don't really do shopping for laptops
[08:33] <portmanteau> yeah sure thing
[08:33] <Disconsented> Best we'll say is shop second hand somewhere
[08:33] <portmanteau> I was just responding to the commentary
[08:33] <portmanteau> it seems like the auto update problem resolved itself
[08:33] <portmanteau> maybe the update completed in the background while we were chatting here
[08:34] <enyc> portmanteau: /join #hardware
[08:38] <portmanteau> make me
[08:42] <portmanteau> jk
[08:42] <portmanteau> joining hardware...
[08:45] <ravage> there are also #ubuntu-discuss and #ubuntu-offtopic for chatting :)
[08:56] <portmanteau> okay the problem is back swap is used at 100% what do I do
[08:56] <portmanteau> CPU saturated at 50%
[08:56] <ravage> get better hardware
[08:56] <portmanteau> i told you I can't afford that
[08:56] <portmanteau> this is a test
[08:56] <ravage> then at least get the RAM upgrade
[08:57] <portmanteau> can lubuntu live up to its purpose
[08:57] <ravage> 1 GB is not enough for a stable system
[08:57] <portmanteau> according to the system requirements it is enough
[08:57] <portmanteau> remember when a hundred and twenty-eight megabytes was enough?
[08:57] <ravage> it was in 2015 maybe
[08:57] <portmanteau> this system meets the system requirements
[08:57] <portmanteau> step aside if the only advice you have for me is to buy a new computer
[08:58] <portmanteau> asshole
[08:58] <ravage> heh. i wish you a nice day too
[09:03] <portmanteau> I'm sorry. I'm poor and mad about it
[09:03] <portmanteau> but seriously irc support has ADD
[09:05] <portmanteau> answer the question asked, plz
[09:31] <katnis> its hard for me to understand hard link and symbolic link
[10:13] <TJ-> katnis: Hard links =  more than one directory entry pointing to a file (not a directory), on the same file-system, point to the same data i-node number. Symbolic = directory entries contain the text of a path which is a directory or file, on the same or another file-system
[10:14] <katnis> like shortcut on windows??
[10:15] <j0kker> helloo :D
[10:16] <juliandroske> shortcuts(.lnk files) are like Symbolic links
[10:16] <TJ-> katnis sort-of, yes. If an analogy will help think of a hard link as a 2 different addresses to the same house, and a symbolic link as a list of instructions as to how to get to the address
[10:17] <katnis> ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:17] <katnis> 2 different addresses but still you will make it to go to the same house
[10:17] <TJ-> katnis: technically, hard links are a 'dirent' structure containing the same i-node number, whereas a symbolic link is actually the text of a file path stored in the attributes of the dirent, but not pointing to an i-node
[10:18] <j0kker> how can i know if my gpu is runing properly,  that its on the right driver ..
[10:18] <j0kker> https://ibb.co/YhyZGsq
[10:18] <j0kker> there are the choices ive been given,,
[10:19] <j0kker> im pretty new to linux ty
[10:21] <katnis> thank you so much for the help TJ- !!!<33333333333333
[10:23] <ravage> j0kker: run "glxinfo | grep vendor | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link here
[10:23] <katnis> omg i learned grep today
[10:24] <TJ-> j0kker: wow, that *is* confusing! I've not touched Nvidia in several years but generally I'd assume the highest version number - but with 3 versions lsited there may be a reason for that
[10:24] <ravage> its a very old card. his version may be ok
[10:24] <fusionfuture[m]> katnis: Congratulations
[10:24] <TJ->  echo "oh you did, did you katnis" | grep -ov did
[10:24] <ravage> im not sure if his card is supported by the latest one
[10:25] <TJ-> ravage: me neither - they are only listed though if the package declares the device's PCI ID in its alias list so it is supposed to
[10:25] <katnis> echo "oh you did, did you katnis" | grep -ov did << i literally typed this on my terminal
[10:25] <TJ-> katnis: you were meant to :)
[10:25] <katnis> nothing happens
[10:26] <TJ-> katnis: indeed, because of the -o "only show matches" flag
[10:26] <TJ-> katnis: now try removing the o
[10:26] <ravage> its a mobile card. so the new driver will not work wonders anyway :)
[10:26] <katnis> okay
[10:26] <j0kker> i was using the latest one, now i switched to this one, but i cant notice a diference ...
[10:26] <TJ-> katnis: -v inverts the sense of the match
[10:26] <katnis> like grep -v did
[10:26] <TJ-> katnis: now keep -o but drop -v
[10:26] <katnis> OO
[10:26] <ravage> j0kker: if the newest works select it again and run the command i sent you
[10:27] <j0kker> whats the diference between the server ones ? should i try those to ? :D
[10:27] <katnis> i see 2 did
[10:27] <ravage> dont use the server one
[10:27] <j0kker> give me a sec
[10:27] <TJ-> katnis: right, grep matched instances of 'did' in the line and would usually show the entire line but -o restricts the output to what matches
[10:27] <katnis> i tried did you
[10:28] <katnis> but it doesnt recognize
[10:28] <TJ->  echo "oh you did, did you katnis" | grep -o ' d.*d '
[10:28] <katnis> O
[10:28] <katnis> YAY
[10:30] <TJ-> katnis: grep, sed, cut, awk are building blocks in most shell scripts to extract and test text
[10:30] <j0kker> do i need a reboot after changing those ?
[10:30] <katnis>  echo "oh you did, did you katnis" | grep -o 'you.*did.*you'
[10:30] <katnis> now i see perfectly
[10:30] <TJ-> j0kker: yes, for those kind of drivers
[10:30] <katnis> i have seen awk but not the others
[10:30] <j0kker> brb
[10:30] <katnis> i need to grind on this
[10:30] <katnis> so i can get a job
[10:31] <katnis> hope someone hires me later
[10:31] <TJ-> katnis: "echo "one:two:three" | cut -f 2 -d:  "
[10:32] <TJ-> katnis: 'cut' separates the input into 'fields' (like a spreadsheet) the separator being set by "-d" and you select the field with "-f"
[10:32] <katnis> i should memo this
[10:36] <c_89> Hi, I have installed a custom font MYFONT.TTF but I not found it in `xfce-terminAl` when  i setting font preference
[10:36] <TJ-> katnis: this might come in handy, the examples and sample chapters https://github.com/learnbyexample/cli_text_processing_coreutils
[10:36] <katnis> thank you so much
[10:36] <katnis> i will take a look at it
[10:37] <katnis> just had a sneak peek and woah what are those ::DDDD
[10:39] <TJ-> katnis: most distros install GNU coreutils so all these are in ever install. if you want to see the files "dpkg -L coreutils | grep bin" to see just the binary files. For each there is a manual page (man-page) which you can look at using the command "man <command-name>" e.g. "man grep" or "man seq"
[10:42] <TJ-> katnis: and because they process text you can pipe output of one to input of another as much as you want.
[10:42] <katnis> i need time to understand
[10:42] <TJ-> katnis: e.g. build a command up like this (try each of these): "seq 12 24"  "seq 12 24 | grep 2"  "seq 12 24 | grep 2 | tac"
[10:43] <katnis> ok lets install coreutils first
[10:43] <katnis> one at a time
[10:43] <TJ-> katnis: coreutils will be installed, or should be on most installs, these are required tools for most other more complex tools
[10:44] <TJ-> katnis: we use these to build pipelines to build complex filters to extract data and make decisions
[10:45] <TJ-> katnis: I'll leave you with that, I have a reboot to do to kernel v5.15
[10:45] <katnis> this is very helpful
[10:45] <katnis> i love manual
[10:45] <katnis> still havent finished reading stdio.h tho
[10:46] <j0kker> it didnt find the command, it says i should instal mesa-utils
[10:48] <j0kker> server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[10:48] <j0kker> client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[10:48] <j0kker> OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
[10:49] <j0kker> so its there, but how do i know if its runing properly, with full strength
[10:52] <ravage> it runs properly
[10:54] <j0kker> allright :D ty
[11:34] <j0kker> gonna try to get a game up and runing to compare the video drivers preformance... maybe it will run better on the older version ...
[12:07] <Ras314> Hi there
[12:10] <bittin> hey
[12:11] <Ras314> I have a question regarding crontab and which kind of commands I can put in there. Is anyone used to deal with crontab?
[12:13] <Alabalistic> Ras314: all commands
[12:13] <Alabalistic> with there path
[12:14] <Alabalistic> /home/user/script.sh
[12:15] <Ras314> I mean. If I type in console $if [whatever -lt 3] then { cat /bla/bla.txt}    and it works, but in cron does not
[12:16] <Ras314> I dont want to make a script.sh, just need to be a single command in cron
[12:16] <Ras314> Is it possible?
[12:16] <Alabalistic> no you make a executable script file
[12:16] <Alabalistic> then you point cron to the file
[12:17] <Alabalistic> echo " $if [whatever -lt 3] then { cat /bla/bla.txt}" > script.sh
[12:17] <Alabalistic> chmod +x script.sh
[12:17] <Alabalistic> then you test it if it works go CRON
[12:18] <Ras314> Yeah, that should work, but I'd like to use a single line command if possible, and I do not understand the reason because It dont
[12:20] <Alabalistic> lets say the command is a parameter, but you miss the executor
[12:20] <Alabalistic> cron don't know whit what to run this command
[12:22] <Alabalistic> https://www.computerhope.com/unix/ush.htm
[12:22] <Alabalistic> here will be the answer, but I know very little bash
[12:23] <Ras314> Yeah, I though that too and I tryed * * * * * /bin/bash if [whatever -lt 3] then { cat /bla/bla.txt}
[12:24] <TJ-> Ras314: you'd need bash -c " ... " at the least
[12:24] <ravage> bash -c 'i=1;if [ $i == 1 ]; then echo "i is one"; else echo "i is $i"; fi'
[12:25] <ravage> that should work
[12:25] <TJ-> /usr/bin/bash -c '[[ $whatever -lt 3 ]] && cat /bla/bla.txt'
[12:26] <Ras314> Thx. I will try that. Thank you fellows
[12:42] <kali_> hi
[12:43] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:43] <kali_> hello
[12:51] <bittin> hi
[13:19] <summonner> bittin, ask away
[13:19] <bittin> i don't have any questions
[13:24] <bittin> i got a new job today and are just installing 20.04 LTS
[13:24] <KBar> congrats
[13:39] <tarzeau> bittin: where? and how many? and how? ipxe? automatic d-i preseeding? something else?
[13:40] <tarzeau> amd64 or another architecture?
[13:40] <bittin> tarzeau, manual installation in Virtualbox, amd64
[13:41] <bittin> the place is mostly a Windows Support shop, but using some Ubuntu Servers for Wordpress and some other few things
[13:42] <tarzeau> ahhh, so no desktops. unless you want to rescue data from disks... and not likely you will test 22.04 ahead its release
[13:44] <bittin> tarzeau, nope i won't as i switched to Arch privatly and the company only uses LTS releases
[13:45] <bittin> and the only reason they use Ubuntu is that the sons boss, that also works there can use it
[13:54] <vlm> is there a way i could list all the pam modules?
[13:57] <vlm> found them in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/security/
[14:03] <vlm> im trying to prevent a user to login at certain times with pam_time.so, "login ; * ; !myuser ; !Al0000-2400" in /etc/security/time.conf did not prevent me from switching to that user?
[14:08] <locsmif> Hi all. Does Ubuntu Hirsute ignore TLS minimum version settings in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf because of the compile flag -DOPENSSL_TLS_SECURITY_LEVEL=2? This compile flag appears to have been added specifically in Ubuntu. However, the suggestion appears to be that it can be overridden in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf
[14:08] <locsmif> But, no matter what I do to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf, it has no effect
[14:09] <locsmif> In that, I e.g. test connecting to a server which supports TLS1.1, yet openssl's s_client fails. I've already asked in #openssl, but this appears to be Ubuntu-specific
[14:11] <TJ-> locsmif: might be a good question for #ubuntu-security
[14:13] <locsmif> TJ-: I'll try
[14:13] <locsmif> Thanks
[14:36] <kenperkins> :wave: trying to figure out how to identify if my fingerprint reader on my ThinkPad X1c7 is usable in ubuntu
[14:54] <jcbjoe2021> I did a clean install of I Ubuntu 20.04 root and regular user can’t logging to X I can loving to a tty with root though any ideas?
[14:55] <jcbjoe2021> Loggin*
[14:57] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: perhaps check the greeter log file
[15:00] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: find /var/log/*dm.log -ls
[15:00] <locsmif> I forget which it was
[15:02] <jcbjoe2021> Ok locsmif gimme a sec
[15:05] <jcbjoe2021> locsmif: my regular user can’t login to a tty even after resetting the password
[15:06] <jcbjoe2021> I’m wondering if that has something to do with it. Should I create a new user and test?
[15:06] <locsmif> Yeah
[15:07] <jcbjoe2021> Ok
[15:07] <locsmif> However, make sure to use the right command
[15:07] <locsmif> i.e. adduser, not useradd
[15:14] <jcbjoe2021> locsmif: I can loving to a tty with new user but can’t loving to X I looked in /var/log I see gdm but it’s a directory I don’t see any .log files
[15:14] <jcbjoe2021> Loggin*
[15:15] <locsmif> Under that directory should be logs
[15:15] <locsmif> There might be a clue in there, what error do you get btw?
[15:15] <locsmif> Just nothing? Password incorrect?
[15:17] <jcbjoe2021> locsmif: im logging into the try with same password for X and nothing . The gdm directory I did Ls and nothing is there
[15:17] <jcbjoe2021> Tty*
[15:18] <locsmif> You looked as root?
[15:19] <locsmif> What kind of Ubuntu are you using and with which desktop environment?
[15:19] <locsmif> I admit I'm not quite sure if those are the log files you need
[15:19] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:19] <locsmif> But in general, there should be a 'greeter', i.e. the program responsible for your graphical login, and that program should log your errors somewhere
[15:20] <jcbjoe2021> I can’t even loggin maybe thats why no log has been created
[15:21] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: I too am interested in the output of leftyfb's command
[15:21] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: it would be quite weird if the greeter took a user as input, then completely ignored it without any errors and no logs
[15:22] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: in theory you could go all out and go into htop, then strace the greeter process, but then again, seems a bit overkill
[15:22] <leftyfb> locsmif: you're going pretty deep into debugging a cause that hasn't yet been proven
[15:22] <locsmif> leftyfb: I agree
[15:23] <jcbjoe2021> http://termbin.com/cy2g
[15:23] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:23] <leftyfb> ok
[15:23] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: how which desktop environment?
[15:23] <jcbjoe2021> leftyfb: I think it’s gnome by default I want kde though
[15:24] <locsmif> well
[15:24] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: 1 problem at a time
[15:24] <locsmif> You could have mentioned that a bit sooner ;-)
[15:24] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: how did you add the user?
[15:24] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: did you attempt to install/setup kde yet?
[15:24] <jcbjoe2021> I did useradd before locsmif said to use asduser
[15:24] <jcbjoe2021> leftyfb: no I haven’t
[15:25] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: delete the user and try adding it through the GUI
[15:26] <jcbjoe2021> leftyfb: I can’t login through X with root or normal user. Only through a tty
[15:26] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: you can't login with any user? (you should NEVER EVER login as root onto a desktop)
[15:27] <jcbjoe2021> Yes I did a test only reason why I tried with root
[15:28] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: what did you change on this machine that broke your ability to login to the desktop at all from the time you installed it from scratch?
[15:30] <jcbjoe2021> leftyfb: I did the install about 12:20 last night rebooted tried to login with née user install crested and never was able to login
[15:30] <jcbjoe2021> This is a clean install
[15:32] <superboot> How can I get a sound from ping? The ping -a doesn't do anything, that I can see/hear.
[15:34] <KBar> superboot enable Terminal bell for your terminal emulator
[15:35] <KBar> For gnome-terminal, that's Preferences > Select Profile > Sounds > make sure that terminal bell is checked
[15:35] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: saying "tried to login with née user install crested" seems a bit incomprehensible tbh
[15:36] <tarzeau> do people use Terminal with default fonts, or do you have a preferred different one?
[15:37] <KBar> default for me
[15:37] <KBar> or Ubuntu Monospace
[15:37] <KBar> Ubuntu fonts >>> everything else
[15:39]  * tarzeau loves Agave (fonts-agave)
[15:41] <superboot> KBar: Thanks!
[15:45] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: I would do another fresh install
[15:45] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: in any case you can also try to create a user the right way. No guarantee that will work though.
[15:45] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: a lot seems to be broken to the point that we cannot speedily troubleshoot it for you remotely
[15:46] <locsmif> jcbjoe2021: and if you want KDE, install kubuntu, not ubuntu
[15:46] <locsmif> There is also #kubuntu
[15:53] <jcbjoe2021> locsmif: leftyfb i resolved the issue mv .Xauthority .Xauthority.bak rebooted and I can login now
[15:57] <tuxdot> if you want KDE you can download the package "kubuntu-desktop"
[16:01] <jcbjoe2021> I thought it was kde-full ?
[16:02] <Fatal_Sushi> jcbjoe2021: kubuntu-desktop pulls in the complete kubuntu
[16:03] <Fatal_Sushi> kde-full pulls in the kde plasma desktop only
[16:09] <jhutchins> Fatal_Sushi: Looks like we need to work on our labeling.
[16:28] <jcbjoe2021> Kde is so slow
[16:28] <jcbjoe2021> Maybe I need to reboot since it was my first timer logging in
[16:29] <jcbjoe2021> Time*
[16:41] <jhutchins> jcbjoe2021: What are you comparing it to?
[16:45] <Fatal_Sushi> jcbjoe2021: KDE isn't slow at all, it depends on what you set the compositor speed. Set it to instant and everything is fast.
[16:46] <Fatal_Sushi> login can take longer, that's true but for the rest it's fast enough. I even run it on a Pi 4
[16:55] <thyriaen> Hiho - i just flashed ubuntu 20.10 server onto an SSD for my raspberry pi - the date is not set correctly ( 21st July 2021 ) and i cannot update any packages - how can i fix the time ?
[17:05] <jcbjoe2021> Fatal_Sushi: do you think I should discard kubuntu and install it and get rid of Ubuntu?
[17:05] <jcbjoe2021> Download*
[17:05] <leftyfb> jcbjoe2021: kubuntu = ubuntu + kde installed. There's no difference
[17:09] <jcbjoe2021> jhutchins: gnome
[17:10] <jcbjoe2021> Fatal_Sushi: how do I set the composite speed?
[17:10] <jcbjoe2021> Compositer*
[17:18] <jhutchins> jcbjoe2021: There are "lighter weight" desktops like xfce and lxde that use fewer resources and may appear faster.
[17:20] <jcbjoe2021> jhutchins: I think Kde is fine I suppose son coming from windows. What do you recommend?
[17:24] <pamyurin> Hello. Im trying to set some keybinds to wmctrl (I use it to switch windows) but some times the binds works and some times, after a reboot, it doesnt work anymore. eg: Ive disabled de super+num keys with dconf and setted super+1 to 'wmctrl -ia $(wmctrl -l | grep Firefox | cut -d ' ' -f 1)' to super+1. Am I missing something? Does gnome shortcuts
[17:24] <pamyurin> execute commands like that or just applications?
[17:38] <BinarySavior> if ufw and iptables conflict with each other, which takes precidence?
[17:38] <BinarySavior> iptables, right?
[17:39] <BinarySavior> ufw is just a front-end to iptables
[18:06] <Fatal_Sushi> jcbjoe2021: if it's about recommendations and not Ubuntu support, please use #ubuntu-discuss for that. Thanks in advance. :)
[18:10] <cxyeinx> sup sup sup
[18:12] <Fatal_Sushi> cxyeinx: if you have a ubuntu support question just ask, casual chit chat is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:12] <cxyeinx> aah, sorry. Got you Sushi
[18:12] <Fatal_Sushi> ;)
[18:18] <RadSurfer> Is there something that tracks that last opened text files in Ubuntu?
[18:19] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: "ubuntu" does not have anything that's tracked like that, no. Gedit has a short history though
[18:20] <RadSurfer> you say that, yet Discord sure seems to know when a was last saved/accessed....
[18:20] <RadSurfer> in fact, files DO APPEAR in "Recent"
[18:21] <RadSurfer> Why I didn't think to look there...
[18:21] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: recent in what context?
[18:21] <RadSurfer> Open file manager, RECENT, top left!
[18:21] <leftyfb> also, discord != ubuntu
[18:21] <RadSurfer> nautilus
[18:23] <leftyfb> ok, so that's tracked in nautilus. It's not universal to any other application.
[18:23] <coconut> yeah, only for actions inside that file manager
[18:23] <RadSurfer> Sometimes it is helpful to have, just the same. :)
[18:54] <vqueiroz> How often does Ubuntu break between updates?
[18:55] <leftyfb> vqueiroz: do you have a support question?
[18:55] <vqueiroz> This is my question. is there a problem with it?
[18:56] <leftyfb> vqueiroz: are you experiencing an issue at the moment you need help with?
[18:57] <leftyfb> vqueiroz: we cannot help with troubleshooting issues that don't yet exist
[18:57] <sarnold> hehe
[18:59] <sarnold> vqueiroz: when applications are upgraded to newer versions they sometimes have changes, yes; every new release of python breaks old python scripts. apache changed their authorization and authentication framework ~five years ago that caused a bunch of trouble for upgrades. newer php versions broke old php scripts. etc etc etc
[18:59] <vqueiroz> leftyfb: No. I'm just checking with people that've been using Ubuntu for longer than me. I'd appreciate if someone could share with me his opinion or experiences about this. I'm currently using the LTS version 20.04.
[19:00] <vqueiroz> sarnold: This is expected. What about basic system functions breaking forcing you to reinstall the OS?
[19:01] <sarnold> vqueiroz: I've never seen that
[19:05] <vqueiroz> sarnold: Alright. Thank you
[19:06] <vqueiroz> Is there an off topic for this channel?
[19:06] <EriC^^> vqueiroz: #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:06] <sarnold> yeah #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat stuff, #ubuntu-discuss for in-between things
[19:54] <webchat39> i need help please
[19:55] <webchat39> it took forever to find this chat room
[19:55] <webchat39> linux is not for beginers lol
[19:55] <webchat39> how do i move the thingy at top ?
[19:56] <sarnold> what's the thingy at the top?
[19:56] <webchat39> sorry i dont know th enames of the parts of desk top
[19:57] <webchat39> the thingy im trying to move has power options etc and a clock in middle
[19:57] <Fatal_Sushi> webchat39: what do you use? Main Ubuntu?
[19:57] <webchat39> what does that mean main ubunto
[19:58] <oerheks> ... interesting
[19:58] <sarnold> there's a bunch of different ubuntu flavours -- xubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, ubuntustudio, etc, and they bring different user interfaces with them
[19:58] <sarnold> https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[19:58] <Fatal_Sushi> there are various flavors of Ubuntu webchat39 Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE etc. so plain Ubuntu is the main one with Gnome
[19:59] <webchat39> budgie
[19:59] <Fatal_Sushi> the top bar can't be moved afaik webchat39
[19:59] <Fatal_Sushi> oh... budgie... yikes
[19:59] <webchat39> i have no idea what im doing sorry
[19:59] <Fatal_Sushi> budgie users are welcome to help out
[19:59] <webchat39> i look on line and its no good
[20:00] <Fatal_Sushi> you sure you use Ubuntu Budgie?
[20:00] <webchat39> stuff dont match what i have or the instructions are not clear at all like new user here , i saw on some web sites a person can move the thingy at tiop \
[20:00] <Fatal_Sushi> webchat39: ^
[20:01] <webchat39> ubuntu budgie 18 says on disk
[20:02] <webchat39> so far not easy at all and very not fun :(
[20:02] <Fatal_Sushi> 18?
[20:02] <webchat39> 18
[20:02] <Fatal_Sushi> that's not supported anymore
[20:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> 18.??
[20:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !yy.mm
[20:02] <webchat39> im about to give up throw thi shit in trash pc and all :(
[20:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> !eol
[20:03] <oerheks> https://discourse.ubuntubudgie.org/t/put-icons-on-budgie-panel/447/2
[20:03] <Fatal_Sushi> why do i get the impression we're being fooled around
[20:03] <oerheks> lots of howtos for panels
[20:03] <webchat39> well how to i get better ubuntu like newest
[20:03] <Fatal_Sushi> download a iso
[20:03] <webchat39> learning disabled
[20:03] <Fatal_Sushi> and flash it to a usb stick
[20:03] <Eickmeyer[m]> https://ubuntubudgie.org has all you need, webchat39 .
[20:04] <webchat39> when i hade win xp with i dont have that pc i have some software like this disk
[20:04] <webchat39> i have this pc now no software so i have budgie
[20:04] <Eickmeyer[m]> The instructions are on the website I just provided.
[20:04] <Fatal_Sushi> webchat39: do you have a 32 bit pc or a 64 bit pc
[20:05] <webchat39> 64bit
[20:05] <Fatal_Sushi> because the newer iso's only support 64bit since 20.04
[20:05] <webchat39> ok how to get newest ubunto ?
[20:06] <Fatal_Sushi> then DL a new iso and flash it to a usb stick, boot from it to see if everything works and then install
[20:06] <webchat39> i have a blank disk
[20:06] <webchat39> how to to do this in budgie
[20:06] <Fatal_Sushi> webchat39: the answer has already been given to that where to get the newer version
[20:06] <Eickmeyer[m]> webchat39: Read the instructions at https://ubuntubudgie.org
[20:06]  * Fatal_Sushi is out
[20:07] <Fatal_Sushi> laters o/
[20:07] <webchat39> that link saynothing about burning a disk
[20:07] <oerheks> webchat39, same way as you already did, no?
[20:07] <Eickmeyer[m]> webchat39: Did you explore the website?
[20:07] <Fatal_Sushi> disks are out, usb sticks are in
[20:07] <webchat39> rude
[20:07] <Fatal_Sushi> sigh
[20:07] <oerheks> have fun!
[20:07] <webchat39> i dont have usb disk i have usb cr dvd burner and blank media
[20:07] <Fatal_Sushi> i don't like being fooled around webchat39
[20:08] <Fatal_Sushi> have a good one
[20:08] <webchat39> what did i do ?
[20:08] <oerheks> dvd is allright too
[20:08] <oerheks> images are still 4 gb max
[20:08] <webchat39> https://ubuntubudgie.org/?s=how+to+burn+a+disk
[20:08] <webchat39> that did not work i looked
[20:09] <Eickmeyer> webchat39: Go to https://ubuntubudgie.org/downloads/, scroll down, click "Installation Instructions" and read the article.
[20:10] <webchat39> when i had win xp machine years ago i hade tryed some linux stuff the only thing that worked was the budgi disk , now i have this pc no operating system so i put this budge on it
[20:11] <Eickmeyer> webchat39: You've explained that ad-nauseum. We're showing you where to get the instructions you need, but we can't guide you through it step-by-step here.
[20:12] <webchat39> i went to ubunto website
[20:12] <webchat39> i click down load ubunto 20,04,3
[20:12] <webchat39> what should firefox do with this file
[20:13] <webchat39> i have option open with sysytem handler ?
[20:13] <oerheks>  save to disk first.
[20:13] <webchat39> now what i cliked to save disk
[20:14] <summonner> webchat39, you can write an iso to a disk if the software supports it
[20:14] <summonner> webchat39, have you done that before? I'm sure you might have, yes?
[20:14] <webchat39> in win xp
[20:16] <mattware> webchat39:  If you're looking to switch the panel off the topbar you can do that in the setting menus
[20:16] <summonner> webchat39, what operating system do you have currently on your computer? when you let it boot fully, you run...? Windows XP or Windows 7 or something?
[20:16] <webchat39> for some reason ubunto budgei 21 is downloading and the other ubunto says fout hours to finish
[20:16] <webchat39> this pc is blank
[20:18] <summonner> webchat39, well, if you've done it before it shouldn't be too difficult
[20:18] <webchat39> ok the time is now 4 min for th eubunto 20
[20:18] <mattware> webchat39: As for as your original question: Menu, System Tools, Budgie Desktop Settings, Position (to change top panel location)
[20:18] <webchat39> not fun stuff
[20:19] <webchat39> ok wheres menue ?
[20:20] <webchat39> see that the problem people say click menue etc well where  is it at lol can you include alink with pics
[20:21] <webchat39> ok i click the iso , right click containing folderr and nothing happens
[20:22] <webchat39> hello?
[20:24] <summonner> webchat39, for how to use the interfaces, it's best you look at the actually desktop pages - I personally don't use that one so I have no idea how to help you
[20:24] <mattware> webchat39: the menu is accessed in the upperleft corner of the screen on the topbar.
[20:25] <webchat39> i down lowded the ubunbto 20 isop now what
[20:25] <cbreak> make a bootable usb stick out of it
[20:26] <webchat39> never mnd on the menune thingy it is not there there is circle and stuff but no word menue
[20:26] <cbreak> or boot via ipmi or what ever you want
[20:26] <webchat39> any this shit is annoying :(
[20:26] <webchat39> what do i do with the iso ?
[20:26] <webchat39> ubuntu budgie i download a file and click on containing foldr and nothing happens
[20:29] <webchat39> please help ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[20:29] <webchat39> plese help
[20:29] <webchat39> what do i do with the iso ?
[20:30] <webchat39> i dont know where this fire fox put it
[20:30] <webchat39> i cant click on shit i men on open containing file please help
[20:30] <webchat39> https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=ubunto+budgi+i+down+load+a+file+and+click+on+containing+foldr+and+nothing+happens
[20:31] <oerheks> on linux, it shows up under 'downloads;
[20:31] <webchat39> how is that helpfull when i get results like that on google ?
[20:31] <oerheks> * if you saved the file, not opened with anything else
[20:31] <sarnold> webchat39: use dd if=/path/to/downloaded/file.iso of=/dev/path/to/usb/device oflag=sync
[20:31] <webchat39> _________````````````````````````````````````sz2eA~w1
[20:31] <webchat39> i punched my keybord
[20:32] <webchat39> might have broken some thing
[20:32] <webchat39> sarnod i dont know what that means
[20:32] <cbreak> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview
[20:33] <cbreak> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-ubuntu-desktop
[20:33] <webchat39> i dont have or can afford ausb stick i have ausb cd/dvd burner
[20:34] <webchat39> if you saved the file, not opened with anything else---what does that mean ?
[20:34] <cbreak> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/burn-a-dvd-on-ubuntu
[20:35] <webchat39> Install Brasero ok hot to do that ?
[20:35] <webchat39> how
[20:35] <MrConorAE> webchat39: nothing, it'll just be saved to your filesystem
[20:35] <MrConorAE> if you chose "open with", it'll be in /tmp/
[20:35] <MrConorAE> i think
[20:35] <cbreak> webchat39: read
[20:35] <webchat39> i dont undrstand
[20:35] <cbreak> there's text on that page that describes how to do it
[20:37] <webchat39> https://ubuntu.com/search?q=Brasero
[20:37] <webchat39> it dosent tell me how to do any thing
[20:38] <cbreak> read the link I gave you
[20:38] <cbreak> which part is unclear?
[20:38] <webchat39> 16.04 LTS no longer comes with a CD/DVD burner, so using the Ubuntu Software Store, search for ‘Brasero’ and click ‘Install’.
[20:38] <webchat39> whats the unbunto store
[20:39] <cbreak> it's the store in ubuntu
[20:39] <webchat39> sorry typing is bad i messed up hand punching keyboard
[20:39] <cbreak> it's an application
[20:39] <webchat39> how do i get to this store ?
[20:39] <webchat39> why is this so difficult
[20:39] <cbreak> depends on your desktop environment
[20:39] <cbreak> typically, you point your mouse cursor at it and click on it
[20:39] <webchat39> click on what
[20:40] <cbreak> the icon of the store
[20:40] <webchat39> total new user here i dont know the names of the sesktop or where thigs are located
[20:40] <cbreak> you use ubuntu?
[20:40] <webchat39> where is the icon store?
[20:40] <webchat39> helo whre is the icon store
[20:41] <MrConorAE> click the 9 dots icon in your dock, which is normally on the left side
[20:41] <MrConorAE> and type "store"
[20:41] <cbreak> if you use ubuntu, it's the orange icon I think
[20:41] <MrConorAE> it's a bag with an "A" on it
[20:41] <webchat39> hold on
[20:42] <webchat39> it took an hour to find store
[20:42] <webchat39> brb
[20:42] <cbreak> reading helps.
[20:42] <cbreak> there aren't that many icons on the default UI
[20:42] <cbreak> and they're labeled if you over over them if I remember correctly
[20:42] <webchat39> when i hold the mosuse over stuff like the nine dots it says software not softwarestore
[20:43] <webchat39> im learning disabled ok
[20:43] <kperkins> how would I go about figuring out why my laptop seems to have ~2 hrs of battery life instead of 10-12?
[20:43] <MrConorAE> webchat39: "software" is correct
[20:43] <MrConorAE> open that by clicking on it
[20:45] <webchat39> thank you to the helpfull ones
[20:46] <webchat39> but when some say click software store  and the thing you want me to click says softwaere , its fucking confuing
[20:49] <webchat39> two day of trying to get this gabage to work now im goning to be insytalling  a different operation sytem cause this shit dont work
[20:49] <MrConorAE> it works fine, you're just not used to it yet
[20:49] <webchat39> yall need why better instruction , it is so difficult for new users , if you want more user to use linux yall are gona have to try a lot harder
[20:49] <hggdh> webchat39: please mind your language
[20:49] <MrConorAE> it's not that confusing lol
[20:50] <webchat39> im american and cant read russian and the small engil repair book is way easer than trying to get  linux to work
[20:51] <webchat39> well after the iso is fuinshed it time to stop for a dau or so
[20:51] <MrConorAE> webchat39: why is your iso in russian
[20:51] <webchat39> telling disable folks it not the difficult is not helping hear that carap enuff it effects ya
[20:51] <MrConorAE> and what's the "small engil repair book"
[20:52] <webchat39> the one in russian
[20:52] <MrConorAE> ...?
[20:52] <webchat39> but this linux stuff is not easy at all
[20:52] <webchat39> lots of poor and disable are gona be left behind
[20:52] <MrConorAE> webchat39: sorry, i can see that how. I didn't mean to offend, all I meant is that Linux is no more difficult than any OS (windows/mac), it's just getting used to a new system
[20:53] <webchat39> win xp was easy
[20:53] <sarnold> try installing it :)
[20:53] <webchat39> no
[20:53] <MrConorAE> webchat39: seriously, just try it for a few hours/days
[20:53] <webchat39> after i burn disk its food and sleep
[20:53] <MrConorAE> once you understand where everything is and how it works, it's fine
[20:53] <MrConorAE> trust me
[20:54] <webchat39> im not keeping this budgie , the instruction dont work or the features on my machine dont work
[20:54] <webchat39> thak you , i go eat now bye
[20:54] <MrConorAE> i'm sure they do, but it just takes getting used to
[20:54] <srv> yo should try to install win 10 then you can download i dont know where you can to try to install ubunto or if you can enable wsl2 and try ubuntu there i dont know
[21:05] <cbreak> the thing you have to click is the software store
[21:06] <cbreak> it's labeled as such
[21:07] <Afdal> So I recently moved off of *buntu to another Debian derivative and I'm getting an audible speaker pop every time pulseaudio opens a new sink.  This never happened to me back when I was on Ubuntu, and I'm wondering what kind of secret settings Ubuntu must have applied to prevent it.
[21:08] <sarnold> cbreak: he left ten minutes ago
[21:08] <cbreak> newbies these days have no patience
[21:08] <sarnold> Afdal: you can find patches that ubuntu applies on top of debian on lib/sha256.c
[21:08] <sarnold> ARGH I HATE YOU FIREFOX
[21:08] <sarnold> Afdal: https://patches.ubuntu.com/
[21:09] <Afdal> lol
[21:09] <Afdal> I don't have a clue where I might begin looking among these patches
[21:10] <Afdal> Even something as simple as my browser playing a chime when a download completes produces a speaker pop because it has to briefly open a new pulseaudio sink to do it.  It's so irritating.
[21:10] <srv> firefox ancient history i use chrome
[21:11] <cbreak> Afdal: you sure it's not because your sound card just off, and it has to turn it on?
[21:11] <Afdal> Nah I don't have a sound card.
[21:12] <Afdal> Does Ubuntu prevent this through some trickery in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf perhaps
[21:12] <Afdal> Where can I look at Ubuntu's default daemon.conf
[21:12] <sarnold> Afdal: I was thinking to start with pulseaudio, then alsa utilities, maybe whatever program you're using for audio playback.. it's hard to say, really :/
[21:13] <Afdal> This is happening to a wide variety of programs so I'm pretty sure pulseaudio is the culprit
[21:13] <sarnold> Afdal: https://termbin.com/e53i here's mine, I don't think I changed anything in there
[21:13] <Afdal> thanks
[21:14] <cbreak> Afdal: you have some kind of DAC
[21:14] <Afdal> What's a DAC :)?
[21:14] <cbreak> either as part of a discrete sound card, or a motherboard built-in one
[21:14] <cbreak> a digital analog converter
[21:14] <i-garrison> Afdal: there could be two places original configuration was different, pulseaudio module-suspend-on-idle is commented out in default.pa which causes pulseaudio to not suspend the device, and kernel alsa driver powersaving turned off causing driver not to let the device sleep
[21:15] <cbreak> I would expect some form or noise when it's initialized / turned on / ...
[21:15] <i-garrison> Afdal: lots of alsa driver changes between your old and new systems can lead to device sleep state change, which is the real cause of the pop
[21:16] <i-garrison> Afdal: to start with it, just try commenting out 'load-module module-suspend-on-idle' in default.pa
[21:16] <Afdal> uh hold on
[21:16] <Afdal> Where's default.pa
[21:16] <Afdal> oh found it
[21:18] <Afdal> hmm it's hard to reproduce this immediately
[21:18] <Afdal> which suggests to me that it is indeed related to some sort of device suspension with a set idle time
[21:21] <i-garrison> Afdal: if you close all players including browsers and also pavucontrol, pulseaudio suspend in ~5 seconds, after which you can try playing something again
[21:23] <Afdal> hmm well I'm looking at the default.pa file from a previous Ubuntu installation and it doesn't have load-module module-suspend-on-idle commented out
[21:23] <Afdal> And I never had a problem with popping on that system
[21:24] <i-garrison> Afdal: still start with commenting it out to isolate the pop to device suspension; if that worked there could be difference in kernel alsa driver to the same effect, or just disabled powersaving in module configuration
[21:25] <Afdal> Yeah I just need to be able to consistently reproduce this popping first, then I'll comment that out and test it
[21:27] <i-garrison> Afdal: pulseaudio won't suspend with clients playing, you can see if there are any clients connected in pavucontrol 'Applications' tab - just do not forget to close pavucontrol afterwards because it will also prevent suspension on it's own
[21:27] <Afdal> yeah I think I've got it now, waiting about 30 seconds or so seems to be enough
[21:27] <i-garrison> and maybe wait longer since alsa driver powersaving can take some time to kick in
[21:28] <i-garrison> right
[21:29] <Afdal> oh wait uh
[21:29] <Afdal> gotta restart the pulseaudio service too right
[21:29] <i-garrison> after making a change to default.pa, yes - try 'pulseaudio -k'
[21:33] <Afdal> Yeah I think that stopped the popping
[21:33]  * wfpkhc wanders into the channel and waves hello to everyone
[21:33] <Afdal> Now the question is why didn't that setting need to be commented out on Ubuntu
[21:33] <wfpkhc> How do i find the correct ubunutu iso for a computer?
[21:33] <cbreak> do you know what kind of computer it is?
[21:34] <wfpkhc> yes
[21:34] <wfpkhc> dell inspirion 600m
[21:34] <cbreak> determine if it is 32 bit or 64 bit. I'm assuming it's x86.
[21:35] <cbreak> (it's probably 64 bit)
[21:35] <Bashing-om> wfpkhc: See too: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements/ .
[21:35] <wfpkhc> windows xp - assume 32bit
[21:35] <wfpkhc> how do i find out - will it be in the bios?
[21:36] <cbreak> if you find out the exact CPU, you can look it up
[21:36] <wfpkhc> pentium M
[21:36] <wfpkhc> 1.4
[21:37] <wfpkhc> 1.4ghz
[21:37] <Afdal> Okay so toggling load-module module-suspend-on-idle definitely turns popping on and off.
[21:37] <Afdal> So it is related to device idle suspension
[21:38] <Afdal> Now what I'd like to know is what other arcane setting Ubuntu must have altered to obviate that without altering that setting
[21:38] <i-garrison> Afdal: since disabling suspension worked to get rid of the pop, you can either use that as a workaround or dig deeper into alsa kernel driver differences + alsa module parameters differences between new and old
[21:38] <cbreak> hmm... 32 bit probably, yes
[21:39] <cbreak> you might want to go with one of the less resource intensive flavors on https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[21:40] <wfpkhc> ubuntu 12?
[21:40] <Afdal> Lubuntu best buntu
[21:40] <i-garrison> Afdal: digging deeper will be very entertaining :) it could be literally anywhere from module parameter somewhere in /etc to obscure backported or ad-hoc patch to kernel for specific hardware
[21:40] <Afdal> oof -_-
[21:41] <i-garrison> Afdal: also double-check with recent livecd of old installation maybe
[21:41] <Afdal> I've got an old installation on a separate partition that I can compare files to
[21:41] <cbreak> can't find a 32 bit lubuntu newer than 18.04
[21:41] <Afdal> I don't actually know if this is an issue on recent *buntu releases
[21:42] <Afdal> Oh yeah isn't *ubuntu dropping 32-bit support
[21:42] <Afdal> You might wanna look into another Linux distribution if you want to be sure about future 32-bit support
[21:42] <i-garrison> Afdal: search "alsa disable device power save"
[21:44] <wfpkhc> k
[21:44] <Bashing-om> wfpkhc: Be aware "32-bit ISO images are no longer being produced (as of 17.10)." :(
[21:44] <i-garrison> Afdal: if you have both installations available, try a diff of /etc content maybe that would reveal sysctl or module parameter differences
[21:44] <Afdal> Oh I didn't even think of trying diff
[21:44] <i-garrison> Afdal: if there are none then likely a kernel driver change
[21:44] <Afdal> I've just been eyeballing the files
[21:45] <i-garrison> diff -udBbr /etc .../where/old/etc
[21:45] <i-garrison> if both are similar age ubuntu base that would not be big list of differences
[21:45]  * wfpkhc frowns at everything going to "the cloud"
[21:46] <wfpkhc> where can i find the last 32bit version of ubuntu?
[21:46] <MrConorAE> wfpkhc: ubuntu website probably
[21:46] <MrConorAE> in the versions archive
[21:46] <Afdal> This whole dropping of 32-bit support is one of the reasons I decided to move off *buntu myself, by the way
[21:47] <wfpkhc> the ubuntu website is full of cloud properganda
[21:47] <cbreak> wfpkhc: try https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/
[21:47] <wfpkhc> afdal thank you for the input
[21:47] <MrConorAE> lol, it's not /that/ much... is it?
[21:47] <wfpkhc> thank you sir
[21:47] <cbreak> I've dropped 32 bit support years ago :)
[21:47] <Afdal> 32-bit libraries are important for Wine, which I use a lot
[21:48] <wfpkhc> i understand why they dropped 32bit support - but thats an arguement im not going to pick up today - because i have a laptop that i need to get l inux onto
[21:48] <cbreak> isn't that separate from running a 32 bit kernel?
[21:48] <cbreak> it was separate on MacOS, where I'm from
[21:48] <cbreak> 64 bit os can work with 32 bit and 64 bit userland processes I think
[21:49] <wfpkhc> Lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS (Bionic Beaver)  - is the 32bit one
[21:49] <cbreak> the one with i386 in the name wfpkhc
[21:49] <wfpkhc> yes, thank you
[21:51] <wfpkhc> awww i have a problem
[21:51] <wfpkhc> the page says -  You will need at least 1024MiB of RAM to install from this image.
[21:51] <wfpkhc> i only have 512
[21:51] <coz_> ???
[21:51] <MrConorAE> ubuntu may not be for you in this case
[21:51] <wfpkhc> blah :(
[21:51] <wfpkhc> any other flavours?
[21:52] <MrConorAE> idk
[21:52] <MrConorAE> depends what you need from that computer
[21:52] <MrConorAE> is it just a headless server, or a desktop?
[21:52] <wfpkhc> its a "im going to learn linux while i pray that my windows box doesnt break down after 10 years use" machine
[21:53] <Afdal> o:
[21:53] <sarnold> I've heard good things about adelie linux for low-end systems https://www.adelielinux.org/#
[21:53] <coz_> wfpkhc, sounds odd that it would require 1024megs of ram for installtion
[21:53] <wfpkhc> thats what it says on the web page
[21:53] <wfpkhc> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/
[21:54] <coz_> wfpkhc, let me look
[21:54] <MrConorAE> i guess it needs it for copying files and unpacking things
[21:54] <wfpkhc> my main PC has 8gb of ram
[21:55] <cbreak> wfpkhc: you can try the server distro
[21:55] <wfpkhc> does it have a gui?
[21:55] <MrConorAE> no AFAIK
[21:55] <cbreak> you can install one later
[21:55] <coz_> wfpkhc, I have installed ubuntu on an old dual core pentium with max 3 gogs of ram 1024megs is just over one gig
[21:55] <coz_> 3 gigs
[21:55] <wfpkhc> ok
[21:55] <Afdal> Some say setting /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/power_save to zero resolves the popping, but this setting appears enabled on Ubuntu and my current distro so it must not be the arcane setting used to by Ubuntu to resovle it
[21:56] <wfpkhc> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-distributions-5/which-linux-on-dell-600m-410489/
[21:56] <wfpkhc> says suse seems to be the tested one
[21:56] <wfpkhc> i might check that
[21:57] <cbreak> apt install lubuntu-desktop or xubuntu-desktop
[21:57] <wfpkhc> before i go -
[21:57] <cbreak> it won't be exactly like the desktop distro, but somewhat similar
[21:57] <wfpkhc> is there anyway to find a ubuntu distro that is less then the one now?
[21:57] <wfpkhc> one that doesnt need 1gb?
[21:57] <cbreak> ubuntu might not be the distro you want
[21:57] <ogra> wfpkhc, it says suse 10.0 ... that is a 15y old distro
[21:57] <coz_> wfpkhc, ther is fedora, gecko linux which is a live iso of open suse, there are ther debianbased distors other than ubuntu all of which sould install on yor system
[21:58] <ogra> wfpkhc, for that hardware spec look at somethig like pclinuxos
[21:58] <coz_> also solus linux
[21:58] <wfpkhc> ok thank you
[21:58] <coz_> wfpkhc, but ubuntu should install just fine
[21:58] <cbreak> https://fossbytes.com/best-lightweight-linux-distros/, hmm...
[21:58] <wfpkhc> i will give it a whirl - it was a free machine
[21:59] <wfpkhc> and this is just learning
[21:59] <ogra> (you could run a 15y old Ubuntu on it instead of suse 10.0 🙂 )
[21:59] <rwinner> Is puppy Linux still a thing?
[21:59] <wfpkhc> i remember puppy linux then it was replaced by mint?
[21:59] <coz_> ehh
[21:59] <rwinner> that thing would run on anything...
[22:00] <cbreak> or you could go to netbsd
[22:00] <cbreak> that thing probably runs on a wristwatch
[22:01] <coz_> wfpkhc, just read the installation gui carefully especially when it asks to install beside windws
[22:01] <cbreak> hmm... do you need to install it?
[22:01] <cbreak> live cd mode might be enough to learn
[22:01] <wfpkhc> no im going to USB run it
[22:02] <wfpkhc> with universal usb installer
[22:02] <Afdal> Hmm, maybe it's a kernel parameter applies by Ubuntu
[22:02] <Afdal> applied
[22:02] <wfpkhc> whas is?
[22:02] <wfpkhc> what is?
[22:02] <Afdal> The arcane trickery Ubuntu uses to stop audio popping from audio devices being suspended on idle
[22:03] <cbreak> you could get https://www.kali.org/get-kali/ :D
[22:03] <Afdal> Sorry, not related to you :)
[22:04] <Afdal> I never realized Bodhi Linux was so lightweight
[22:04] <wfpkhc> thank you
[22:04] <coz_> there are many light weight distros, if you really need them
[22:05] <Afdal> Is it just because it uses Enlightenment
[22:05] <coz_> wfpkhc, also understand that KDE, Gnome, are more resource intensive then say MATE or xfce
[22:05] <Afdal> you can make Lubuntu pretty darn light if you use bare Openbox over LXDE
[22:05] <rwinner> It's not the distro really, it's the DTE...
[22:05] <cbreak> or i3...
[22:05] <wfpkhc> why are they calling it lubuntu and not ubuntu?
[22:05] <PoppaVic> well, I gotta' admit: 20.04 doesn't make me want to puke.
[22:06] <PoppaVic> wfpkhc: "light"
[22:06] <cbreak> wfpkhc: because it uses lxde instead of unity / gnome
[22:06] <wfpkhc> ok
[22:06] <coz_> wfpkhc, the desktop environment
[22:06] <cbreak> there's kubuntu, which uses kde
[22:06] <rwinner> I used to run blackbox, it barely used more memory than a plain terminal... :)
[22:06] <wfpkhc> although i have had exposure to linux - you should work with me as a reasonable newbie
[22:06] <cbreak> and some others.
[22:06] <coz_> wfpkhc, MATE is a good start
[22:06] <Afdal> Lubuntu has a few other tweaks too, but the main point of difference between *buntu flavors is the desktop environment
[22:06] <wfpkhc> where do i find mate?
[22:06] <PoppaVic> I found lubuntu (when I tried it a few years ago) hard on my eyes and nerves.. Otoh, may make great sense on an RPi or something
[22:06] <Afdal> Lubuntu installs a different software GUI by default for instance
[22:06] <cbreak> wfpkhc: that's what I showed you above
[22:07] <wfpkhc> ok thank you
[22:07] <cbreak> if you install xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-deskto on a server ubuntu, you get something resembling xubuntu or lubuntu
[22:07] <wfpkhc> https://www.kali.org/get-kali/
[22:07] <wfpkhc> ?
[22:07] <cbreak> wfpkhc: that's a 32 bit capable live-cd linux
[22:07] <Afdal> isn't Kali linux security oriented
[22:07] <cbreak> it's intended for learning and research
[22:07] <coz_> wfpkhc, go to youtube and check out linux desktop environments, see which is more appealing to yu
[22:08] <cbreak> Afdal: yes. learning about your victims and researching its vulnerabilities
[22:08] <rwinner> I personally really like fluxbox...
[22:08] <wfpkhc> this is the one problem i ahve with open source software - 32 million versions - why cant they just have one OS, the lightest - and then allow the user to build upon that!
[22:08] <cbreak> wfpkhc: that's linux
[22:08] <coz_> wfpkhc, ^^^^^^^^^
[22:08] <cbreak> if you want that, linux-from-scratch is ... annoying
[22:08] <wfpkhc> thats mismanagement of really good resourced
[22:08] <cbreak> does it still exist?
[22:08] <Afdal> How could we do that when we still haven't even settled the holy war over the one text editor to rule them all?
[22:08] <sarnold> wfpkhc: for some reason there's dozens of sports teams, too. it'd be a lot easier if there was just one really good team.
[22:08] <wfpkhc> resources*
[22:08] <cbreak> maybe gentoo
[22:08] <coz_> eewww not for a beginner = gentoo
[22:09] <cbreak> for people who want to build everything themselves it's good
[22:09] <Afdal> Is Funtoo still a thing
[22:09] <cbreak> I've never used gentoo. My time's not that worthless :)
[22:09] <coz_> wfpkhc,  for now stay away from arch and gentoo
[22:10] <wfpkhc> are you kidding - im like a swimmer dipping his toe into the cold icy pool of linux - im not going anywhere near arch, gentoo, solaris or linux from scratch
[22:10] <coz_> wfpkhc, get a decent handle on say ubuntu MATE, understand the commands, then later venture ito more complex distributions many of which have slightly different commands
[22:11] <wfpkhc> yes sir
[22:11] <cbreak> you could also get a raspberry pi
[22:11] <coz_> wfpkhc, ubuntu, solus, popOs, are good to begin with
[22:11] <cbreak> they're fairly cheap, and can run more modern linuxes
[22:12] <wfpkhc> along time ago there was a way to find out the certified version of ubuntu for a specific hardware - is that sill a think?
[22:12] <coz_> debian but this is the ubuntu channel so, yay , use ubuntu %)
[22:12] <rwinner> Gentoo is a masters class in Linux...great educational tool and distro in one.
[22:12] <coz_> as is arch
[22:12] <Afdal> wait hold up, Xubuntu's hardware requirements are the same as Lubuntu's?
[22:12] <coz_> should be
[22:12] <Afdal> When did this happen?  Lubuntu is supposed to be the lightest!
[22:13] <wfpkhc> thats what she said afdal
[22:13]  * wfpkhc giggles
[22:13] <coz_> Afdal, hardware requirements arent about light DE's
[22:13] <coz_> installation
[22:13] <coz_> mainly
[22:13] <Afdal> RAM requirements definitely are
[22:14] <Afdal> maybe Lubuntu needs a lighter installer or something then
[22:14] <sarnold> if you run fvwm and rxvt you'll have very different needs than gnome-shell and gnome-terminal
[22:14] <coz_> ^^^^^
[22:15] <wfpkhc> does anyone here know anyting about univserals usb installer?
[22:15] <ogra> wh i the world would still run fvwm ! you'd run fvwm2 !!!
[22:15] <wfpkhc> whats the best "persistant file size" setting
[22:15] <ogra> *who
[22:16] <coz_> wfpkhc, in my opinion ubuntu MATE is a logical set up with ease of making ti look and feel personalized
[22:16] <Afdal> https://lubuntu.me/taking-a-new-direction/
[22:17] <coz_> wfpkhc, take your time, once you get used to it, you most definitly will be hooked %)
[22:17] <Afdal> oof!  Traitors!  They're abandoning old fart computers!
[22:17] <wfpkhc> coz_ i will definitely take your advice
[22:17] <wfpkhc> and look into MATE
[22:17] <coz_> wfpkhc, good choice :)
[22:19] <Afdal> Xfce is like MATE but better
[22:19] <Afdal> same memory footprint, more features
[22:19] <Afdal> it's a no-brainer...
[22:19] <coz_> to each %)
[22:20] <wfpkhc> coz_ https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/
[22:20] <wfpkhc> is this the righ tone?
[22:21] <coz_> wfpkhc, let me check
[22:21] <coz_> wfpkhc,  yes
[22:21] <wfpkhc> thank you sir
[22:21] <wfpkhc> the problem is its 64bit
[22:21] <wfpkhc> i need to find a 32 bit
[22:21] <coz_> wfpkhc,  also I use MATE and this is what my desktop looks like after personalizong it  https://ibb.co/RGXSVHF
[22:22] <coz_> wfpkhc, ah let me look
[22:22] <wfpkhc> looks nice
[22:22] <wfpkhc> i wouldnt want to use that background while living in holland though!
[22:23] <coz_> wfpkhc, I believe 32 bit has been discontinued, someone correct me if I am wrong
[22:24] <wfpkhc> ok so mate is not a good choice then
[22:25] <coz_> wfpkhc, https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-distros-with-32-bit-support/
[22:25] <wfpkhc> along time ago there was a way to find out the certified version of ubuntu for a specific hardware - is that sill a think?
[22:25] <wfpkhc> thank you
[22:25] <coz_> wfpkhc, its not MATE it'king that decisionution developer mas the distrib
[22:26] <rwinner> Many seem to think XFCE is the happy medium between features and light weight...
[22:26] <coz_> wfpkhc, that link show distributions which still support 32 bit
[22:26] <Afdal> Xfce rules that niche
[22:29] <wfpkhc> holy .....
[22:29] <wfpkhc> boudhi seems to be working -
[22:29] <wfpkhc> wow linux has come along way
[22:29] <coz_> wfpkhc, excellent
[22:29] <coz_> wfpkhc, most definitlry a long way
[22:29] <wfpkhc> its now just got a massive screen of stuff - because its old i have to wait
[22:30] <wfpkhc> now if they could get adobe products working and games
[22:30] <wfpkhc> i would ditch windows in a heart beat
[22:30] <coz_> wfpkhc, steam allows many games to be run on linux as well as wine and lutris
[22:31] <rwinner> I always found Windows annoying.
[22:31] <PoppaVic> It's still annoying
[22:31] <srv> lol
[22:31] <coz_> wfpkhc, I would wait until you get used to the fell of it fist
[22:31] <coz_> first -fist
[22:31] <PoppaVic> A;though, I put up with it until I found a mostly-working wifi-driver.
[22:31] <srv> not really
[22:32] <rwinner> wifi was the bugaboo of days gone by...
[22:32] <Afdal> Steam Games Aren't Linux Games
[22:32] <coz_> PoppaVic, I have windows on another ssd if i rarely need it just to remind me I love linux lol
[22:32] <PoppaVic> it's still a pain, when you have Realtek internal
[22:32] <Afdal> Say it loud
[22:32] <srv> i run ubuntu apps and command-line on windows 11 and windows is not annoying me
[22:33] <PoppaVic> coz_: as soon as I solved the driver, (all of this to a blank ssd), I figured out how to stuff the OEM ssd back in and wiped it of win11
[22:33] <coz_> wfpkhc, get used to the MANY possibilities with linux, and i am convinced you may indeed drop windows %)
[22:33] <Afdal> Steam doesn't "allow" anything to run on Linux, it inserts itself as a gatekeeping proprietary DRM system on otherwise freedom-respecting operating systems
[22:33] <wfpkhc> its sitting there like a goat on the hill - i think something has gone wrong
[22:34] <coz_> wfpkhc, I would have suggested Debian over bodhi but let me check the iso
[22:34] <PoppaVic> 'course, I may have to figger out how to move /usr over to that blank drive - or something.. Something clever ;-P
[22:34] <wfpkhc> https://imgur.com/a/sEFjXLf
[22:34] <wfpkhc> thats the monitor
[22:35] <wfpkhc> the monitor/screen capture
[22:36] <coz_> wfpkhc, hmmm, let me check the iso after downloading, if I find the 32bit iso
[22:38]  * wfpkhc sits quietly
[22:39] <coz_> wfpkhc,  did you download from here?  https://www.bodhilinux.com/download/
[22:40] <wfpkhc> https://www.bodhilinux.com/download/
[22:40] <wfpkhc> Legacy Release (32-bit only): Download | Torrent | Md5 | sha256
[22:40] <coz_> wfpkhc, right
[22:40] <coz_> wfpkhc,  let me download and try it .. hold on for a while
[22:42] <wfpkhc> i do not wish to trouble you that much
[22:42] <wfpkhc> did you see the screenshot?
[22:42] <coz_> wfpkhc, no trouble, I have another laptop to test with
[22:42] <wfpkhc> thank you sir
[22:45] <coz_> wfpkhc,  when finished downloadin, I will burn to usb and go over to the other lah 32 bit ,  then let you know, however the other laptop is 64 bit although not an issue with it it wont describe precisly your issue, but hold on
[22:45] <wfpkhc> oh no dont waste a cd for me please
[22:45] <wfpkhc> only usb rewrite
[22:45] <coz_> wfpkhc, onlu usb for me %)
[22:46] <wfpkhc> before you burn
[22:46] <coz_> ?
[22:46] <wfpkhc> after you down load - can you just hold for a second please
[22:46] <coz_> sure
[22:46] <coz_> wfpkhc, done, whats up?
[22:47] <wfpkhc> what does "please use a keral appropriate for your CPU" mean? - wrong version?
[22:47] <coz_> wfpkhc, you mean "kernel" ?
[22:48] <coz_> hmmm
[22:48] <wfpkhc> please use an appropriate kernal
[22:48] <wfpkhc> was the message
[22:48] <coz_> kernal yes hmmm, do you know what cpu you have?
[22:49] <coz_> wfpkhc, are you sure it's 32 bit?
[22:50] <wfpkhc> no im not sure
[22:50] <wfpkhc> i got the laptop this morning
[22:50] <coz_> wfpkhc, on windows you should be able to verify if cpu is 32 or 64 bit
[22:50] <wfpkhc> it runs windows xp
[22:50] <coz_> wfpkhc, my guess is it is most likely 64 bit, what name of laptop ?
[22:50] <wfpkhc> dell inspirion 600m
[22:50] <coz_> hold on
[22:51]  * wfpkhc holds onto the ceiling of the chat room
[22:52] <oerheks> sure you can find the cpu .. sounds like  i686
[22:53] <TechMonk> Pentium M 725 1.60GHz Processor, 2MB L2-Cache
[22:53] <wfpkhc> 1.4ghz
[22:53] <TechMonk> The Pentium M is a family of mobile 32-bit single-core x86 microprocessors (with the modified Intel P6 microarchitecture) introduced in March 2003 and forming a part of the Intel Carmel notebook platform under the then new Centrino brand.
[22:53] <coz_> wfpkhc,  go here and under windows xp it describes how to find out   https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000150192/how-to-determine-if-a-computer-is-running-a-32-bit-or-64-bit-version-of-windows#Issue0_2
[22:53] <oerheks> nope, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
[22:53] <oerheks> it is a doorstopper, jim
[22:54] <coz_> TechMonk, excellent although it wont hurt for wfpkhc to see how to do this
[22:54] <TechMonk> Yeah, fun practice!
[22:54] <coz_> wfpkhc,  and make sure you downloaded the 32 bit version of bodhi
[22:54] <TechMonk> Just give him a distro that can be installed.
[22:54] <wfpkhc> https://imgur.com/a/sEFjXLf  second image is bios picture i just took
[22:56] <coz_> wfpkhc,  have you by chance gone into the bios to check if booting from cdrom or usb is available?
[22:57] <wfpkhc> ues both are available - and its configured to boot from USB right now - im trying an old version of ubuntu server which i use for my old dell server
[22:57] <coz_> wfpkhc,  then burn the iso to a usb stick
[22:58] <coz_> wfpkhc,  or switch to boot from cdreom
[22:58] <coz_> cdrom
[22:59] <wfpkhc> https://imgur.com/a/DQrhEqS
[22:59] <jwash> hi guys i have a bunch of lists which are 120 lines long which should have 12 items delimited on ten lines. any ideas for an easy way to consolidate them?
[23:00] <leftyfb> jwash: you want #bash
[23:00] <coz_> t wfpkhc mmm odd from my experience, can someone else speak to this issue?
[23:00] <wfpkhc> story of my life "THAT WASNT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN"
[23:01] <wfpkhc> ill be back in about 10 minutes i have to look after my blind grandmother
[23:01] <wfpkhc> wont be long
[23:04] <coz_> wfpkhc, okie dokie
[23:05] <coz_> wfpkhc, join the #debian channel, it may be more benificial for you
[23:06] <coz_> wfpkhc,  and tru debian 32 bit while ther
[23:06] <coz_> wfpkhc,  I need to sign off for a bit
[23:19] <wfpkhc> im back
[23:19] <wfpkhc> thank coz_ i will look into it
[23:19] <wfpkhc> i appreciate and value the help
[23:19]  * wfpkhc wanders out as the days duties are about to begin