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| ddstreet | mapreri teward around for the mtg? | 16:02 |
| teward | o/ | 16:03 |
| mapreri | hello here | 16:03 |
| ddstreet | awesome let's start! | 16:04 |
| ddstreet | #startmeeting Ubuntu Backporters Team | 16:04 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 16:04:55 UTC. The chair is ddstreet. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 16:04 |
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| ddstreet | ok let's run thru the previous action items quickly | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | #topic previous action items | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process (carried over) | 16:05 |
| ddstreet | carrying this over (and either of you feel free to handle it as well of course) | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process (carried over) | 16:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet reply to previous ML requests and open backport request bugs indicating change in process (carried over) | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet update wiki docs with new process (carrired over) | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | done | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | and mapreri has the WIP page | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | (let's discuss that after the previous action items) | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic ddstreet try to edit help.u.c page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports | 16:06 |
| ddstreet | done, and i think we can all edit this page as we see fit, or at least i am able to for sure | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | #suptopic mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | carry over i assume? | 16:07 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over) | 16:08 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri propose text for membership process to add to KB page (carried over) | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over) | 16:08 |
| mapreri | oh yes, actually I forgot /o\ | 16:08 |
| teward | carry over | 16:08 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic teward review backportpackage tool (carried over) | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | carry both right? | 16:09 |
| teward | correct | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #action teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over) | 16:09 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward update tooling, requestbackport (carried over) | 16:09 |
| teward | been a tad busy with stuff still, FT job kinda took all my time >.> | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #action teward review backportpackage tool (carried over) | 16:09 |
| meetingology | ACTION: teward review backportpackage tool (carried over) | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:09 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) define details on handling members/leads who are no longer participating (carried over) | 16:09 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over) | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over) | 16:10 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) define process/procedure for adding new members (carried over) | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | #subtopic (unassigned) create list of packages excluded from backporting (carried over) | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | i think this one's done by mapreri | 16:10 |
| ddstreet | at least the initial list | 16:10 |
| mapreri | I think we can consider that done | 16:11 |
| mapreri | it should just grow over time as cases come by | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | yep | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | ok that's all the action items | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | let's move to the WIP wiki page | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #topic wiki page | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports/WIP | 16:11 |
| ddstreet | mapreri i just reviewed it and responded to your ML email, +1 on everything with a couple minor comments | 16:12 |
| mapreri | I'm applying your suggestions right now actually | 16:12 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2021-October/021819.html | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | for reference to those reading along | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2021-November/021820.html | 16:13 |
| ddstreet | teward any feedback on the wiki page changes? | 16:14 |
| mapreri | there, all applied | 16:14 |
| ddstreet | great, and also thanks for opening the RT to get the wiki page history log working :) | 16:14 |
| mapreri | if you think it's cool enough I can moved that WIP thing over to the main page too | 16:15 |
| teward | no objection other than what changes have been made, though i'm missing an email so let me check the archive | 16:16 |
| teward | yep no other feedback or complaints you hit all mine ddstreet | 16:16 |
| teward | looks fine otherwise | 16:16 |
| teward | back in like 2 seconds have to answer the door for LUNCH | 16:18 |
| mapreri | then I suppose we can go ahead | 16:18 |
| mapreri | should we start actually handling packages? :3 | 16:18 |
| ddstreet | mapreri one last thing, can you replace the TBD in the 'Reason for Backport' section with a link down the the 'special cases' section, or just replace it with 'as listed below' | 16:18 |
| mapreri | oh good point | 16:19 |
| mapreri | sure | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | or, maybe just remove that line entirely; it's kind of redundant now | 16:19 |
| ddstreet | either way | 16:19 |
| teward | mapreri: i think anything pending in the existing 'requests' sections needs to be just denied (the old way) and resubmitted if someone wants to get a backport still but using the new process | 16:19 |
| teward | as for handling packages, anything currently in the queue without active requests per the process is also not prepared | 16:19 |
| teward | my 2 cents in regards to "should we start actually handling packages" | 16:20 |
| mapreri | sure | 16:20 |
| mapreri | but we said to reject them once we actually have a page to point them to | 16:20 |
| teward | right but that goes hand in hand ;) | 16:20 |
| mapreri | so I think we can move WIP to the main page, then reject everything, then I can upload stuff (devscripts and u-d-t!), you two review them, and then let's open the gates for all by a mail to ubuntu-devel@ or such? | 16:21 |
| mapreri | should we do ubuntu-devel-announce@? :O in ubuntu that's pretty much unused besides when the cycles starts/freezes… | 16:21 |
| teward | we should at least email ubuntu-devel i think | 16:21 |
| teward | but -announce i don't think is needed for it | 16:22 |
| ddstreet | yeah i think just stick to ubuntu-devel, the -announce is moderated and reserved for select announcements anyway i think | 16:22 |
| mapreri | I moved the WIP text to the main page | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | i'm +1 on moving WIP to the main page and starting to handle packages! :) | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | \o/ hurray :) | 16:23 |
| mapreri | your +1 is already too late :P | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | lol | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | retroactive +1 | 16:23 |
| ddstreet | so i guess we're fully "running" now right? | 16:24 |
| mapreri | I guess | 16:24 |
| ddstreet | wiki page is up to date, i don't think anythign else is needed on the community page right? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports | 16:24 |
| mapreri | I'll have to read that page again at a different time | 16:25 |
| ddstreet | ack, and you should be able to edit it, if needed | 16:25 |
| mapreri | btw, I'll upload udt/focal-bpo later today, and you can mess with the queue and see if/how that works? | 16:25 |
| ddstreet | yep i have a bit of time today, so i can process it once you upload | 16:26 |
| mapreri | alright | 16:26 |
| mapreri | after the mtg | 16:26 |
| ddstreet | mapreri also re: the bug i opened lp:1947192 i'm thinking now we should just close that as wontfix, yeah? | 16:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1947192 in ubuntu-dev-tools (Ubuntu Hirsute) "[SRU] version 0.185" [Low, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1947192 | 16:27 |
| ddstreet | i shouldn't have opened it in the first place | 16:27 |
| mapreri | I think you need to assign a few actions (me uploading this, you reviewing the queue, somebody writing the -devel mail, ...) | 16:27 |
| mapreri | I'll try to close that in the bpo upload, let's discover if that works? | 16:27 |
| mapreri | (i don't think it will, but let's try) | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #action mapreri upload u-d-t to focal | 16:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: mapreri upload u-d-t to focal | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet review u-d-t upload to focal | 16:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet review u-d-t upload to focal | 16:28 |
| ddstreet | who wants to write the email to -devel? | 16:29 |
| * mapreri looks grumpily at the ppc64el autopkgtest queue, stopping u-d-t 0.186 | 16:29 | |
| ddstreet | lol, yeah i heard there were some problems there (i've been out on vacation for a week, just back today) | 16:29 |
| mapreri | I'll happily give that up. in the next ~10 days I'll be busy with family stuff, so not really up for more tasks atm | 16:29 |
| teward | won't be me, i'm moving mt email between environments at the moment, so limited ability to email. | 16:29 |
| teward | (so I can't send the email at the moment) | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | ack no prob i can take it | 16:30 |
| mapreri | i can review your draft if you want to | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports | 16:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet email ubuntu-devel list to announce re-opening of backports | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | yep lemme action that too | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet send draft email to mapreri before ubuntu-devel list | 16:30 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet send draft email to mapreri before ubuntu-devel list | 16:30 |
| ddstreet | ok i think that's everything right? | 16:31 |
| mapreri | for this topic yes at least | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | and i already have the actions for respoinding to open bugs and ML emails | 16:31 |
| mapreri | and I think also for the other membership thing as well since that's waiting on me to draft the KB page I guess | 16:31 |
| ddstreet | yeah i think we got that in the earlier actions | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | #topic all other business | 16:32 |
| ddstreet | did i miss anything? or any other topics? | 16:32 |
| mapreri | somebody pls get `DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo` to DTRT pls :puppy_eyes: | 16:33 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) get `DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo` to DTRT pls | 16:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) get `DEB_VENDOR=ubuntu dch --bpo` to DTRT pls | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | lol | 16:34 |
| mapreri | :* | 16:34 |
| ddstreet | should i schedule another mtg in 2 weeks? just in case? | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | it would be Nov 17 | 16:35 |
| mapreri | by then I'll have pretty much just come back from messy times, but I think we should regardless, at least to check in and keep up momentum | 16:35 |
| ddstreet | yep sounds good, it has been useful to have these mtgs at least as a target date for getting stuff done, in addition to the actual meeting content | 16:36 |
| mapreri | mh dh 13 is not available in focal-bpo :( | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | #action ddstreet schedule following meeting for Nov 17 | 16:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ddstreet schedule following meeting for Nov 17 | 16:36 |
| ddstreet | yeah i wonder if debhelper might be the first thing we need to backport | 16:37 |
| mapreri | I wanted to go with something less critical first | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | otherwise we'll probably have to adjust the dh version for backported packages | 16:37 |
| mapreri | I'll just s/13/12/ in this case, it doesn't matter | 16:37 |
| ddstreet | yep | 16:37 |
| mapreri | note how somebody randomly did backport debhelper 12 to focal-bpo some time ago :> | 16:38 |
| ddstreet | mapreri what method do you use to check what's in the -backports pocket for releases? like, for a release you're not running | 16:40 |
| mapreri | (oh, actually that was bionic not focal, sorry) | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | ah ok | 16:41 |
| mapreri | i was going by memory | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | i was wondering why rmadison didn't show it | 16:41 |
| ddstreet | ok i think we're all wrapped up then | 16:42 |
| mapreri | anyhow, I've got plenty of chroots and run apt policy there; or look at the launchpd ui. for whatever reason i never got my fingers into typing rmadison :! | 16:42 |
| mapreri | E: ubuntu-dev-tools changes: backports-upload-has-incorrect-version-number 0.185~bpo20.04.1 | 16:42 |
| mapreri | another action ↑ :P | 16:42 |
| mapreri | fix lintian | 16:42 |
| mapreri | I'm sure lechner would do that right away once told | 16:43 |
| mapreri | I: ubuntu-dev-tools changes: backports-changes-missing | 16:43 |
| ddstreet | #action (unassigned) fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix | 16:43 |
| meetingology | ACTION: (unassigned) fix lintian to not complain about ~bpo suffix | 16:43 |
| mapreri | do we care about this in ubuntu? | 16:43 |
| mapreri | is about using -v in dpkg-genchanges to include more than one entry in the Changes: field of the .changes file | 16:43 |
| mapreri | used to be mandatory for debian backports, but it's not mandatory anymore (though I still take care of it) | 16:44 |
| ddstreet | i tend to think probably not, right? | 16:44 |
| ddstreet | it could be a really long list, or in some cases might not even be possible e.g. with a new major version | 16:45 |
| mapreri | I also seem to remember launchpad is clever about that, at least it closes all bugs even if the .changes file doesn't mention them all, somehow. | 16:45 |
| mapreri | why wouldn't be possible? | 16:45 |
| mapreri | I can assure you that it's very much possible to do :> | 16:45 |
| ddstreet | it would just include the entire changelog then, right? | 16:46 |
| mapreri | there is also -v0 to include all of the changelog in the .changes (example is when backporting a package that wasn't present in the target distribution | 16:46 |
| mapreri | ) | 16:46 |
| mapreri | but yes, I don't think we care here | 16:46 |
| ddstreet | i'm fine either way; it seems like it probably would just introduce noise instead of helping | 16:46 |
| mapreri | I'm sure it would make many new contributors not used to low-level tooling (dpkg-genchanges in this case) scratch their heads :D | 16:47 |
| ddstreet | yeah i know there are some people who have ACL to upload who either don't know about needing to use -v or just forget about it | 16:47 |
| ddstreet | ok we're coming up to the end, any final items before we wrap up? | 16:48 |
| mapreri | not from me | 16:49 |
| mapreri | teward: ? | 16:49 |
| * mapreri also just dput, let's see | 16:49 | |
| teward | nope | 16:49 |
| teward | none | 16:49 |
| mapreri | Rejected: | 16:50 |
| mapreri | Mismatch in binaryfulness. (arch) False != (files) True | 16:50 |
| mapreri | dammit, I keep forgetting this lp thing :\ | 16:50 |
| ddstreet | hmm i've not hit that before | 16:50 |
| mapreri | you likely don't build all of your uploads locally before uploading the resulting thing | 16:51 |
| ddstreet | i usually build the binaries in a separate container, while i build my source to upload on my main system | 16:52 |
| mapreri | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/1699763 | 16:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1699763 in Launchpad itself "source uploading with a .buildinfo containing hashes for binary is rejected" [Undecided, Confirmed] | 16:52 |
| mapreri | also when uploading to ubuntu I need to be careful to upload the .changes generated in right env, else it won't have the Launchpad-Bug-Fixed field, etc etc. | 16:53 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: anyway, it's in the queue now :) | 16:53 |
| mapreri | guess this is all for today! | 16:53 |
| ddstreet | awesome! i'll review asap :) | 16:53 |
| ddstreet | thanks all! | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 16:54:05 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-11-03-16.04.moin.txt | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 16:54 |
| mapreri | diff from 0.176 (in Debian) to 0.185~bpo20.04.1 (56.6 KiB) | 16:54 |
| mapreri | ddstreet: ↑ this might be something we might want to improve: it's likely useless to have that diff | 16:54 |
| mapreri | i mean, having lp know to use the best base version to do that diff | 16:54 |
| mapreri | (that's in the queue viewer) | 16:54 |
| ddstreet | yeah, though i think that's a well-established problem already; it doesn't diff from the -security pocket either, so i think the diff is frequently unhelpful | 16:55 |
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