[00:38] <Sven_vB> I'm looking for a video player for Ubuntu focal that can receive an MP4 stream on stdin, play it, and dump it to a file. the latter shall be independent of playback so the source is never blocked and the recording works even when I pause the playback or rewind. I'd also like playback at increased speed, which shall go back to normal speed when it reaches the point where stdin does not yet have new data.
[00:39] <Sven_vB> do we have such a player?
[00:44] <sarnold> Sven_vB: maybe curl https://whatever | tee file_on_disk | mpv -   or similar?
[00:44] <Sven_vB> sarnold, how far can mpv rewind in that mode?
[00:45] <sarnold> Sven_vB: no idea. probably not very far.
[00:45] <Sven_vB> it would be useful if mpv would know about the file, so it doesn't keep a huge RAM buffer
[00:45] <oerheks> !info kazam
[00:45] <Sven_vB> !info kazam focal
[00:46] <oerheks> it is highly configurable, look for howto's
[00:48] <Sven_vB> is it for playback really? its man page sounds like it's just for capture
[00:56] <oerheks> maybe a nicer gui, https://vitux.com/how-to-use-vokoscreen-to-record-videos-on-ubuntu/
[00:56] <oerheks> vlc could do a lot too..
[00:57] <rwinner> Hi, why does another popular distro say to make a swap partition and Ubuntu does not I wonder...?
[00:57] <sarnold> swap files are more flexible
[00:58] <VMGuy23> oerheks: they dont want a recorder, listen
[00:58] <oerheks> he does, VMGuy23.
[00:59] <rwinner> sarnold: so the ram isn't taxed too much..?
[00:59] <VMGuy23> oerheks: <Username mention removed> is it for playback really?
[01:00] <sarnold> rwinner: the extra overhead to get to a swap file vs a swap partition is probably measured in kilobytes of ram
[01:00] <rwinner> sarnold: Oh, ok. So Ubuntu uses a swap *file* in place of a dedicated partition...interesting.
[01:01] <sarnold> rwinner: yeah
[01:02] <rwinner> I guess if you have lots of ram, it doesn't matter too much anyway...
[01:03] <avih__> hi, i'm using ubuntu 12.04 on some vps (don't ask), and ufw has been working fine for years, and few days ago i couldn't connect anymore. i logged in through the hosting provider console, ran "ufw disable" and then i could connect. the problem is that whatever i do to reset the ufw rules (including apt-get purge and manually removing any remains i could find), after i install it again, setup just one rule: allow 22/tcp, start utw, and get "ERROR: problem
[01:03] <avih__> running ufw-init" and i'm locked out again till i disable it. thoughts? ideas?
[01:03] <sarnold> what's in the logs?
[01:04] <avih__> which ones?
[01:04] <sarnold> maybe /var/log/syslog ? it's been a while..
[01:05] <avih__> is there anything specific you want me to look for?
[01:05] <rwinner> Ah, I just spotted it a 2.1 GB swapfile in the root dir. Interesting!
[01:05] <oerheks> avih__, why asking for support?
[01:05] <avih__> what do you mean?
[01:05] <oerheks> such machine should not be connected to the internet.
[01:06] <sarnold> avih__: no, just hoping you'll spot something interesting in them that suggests the next course of action
[01:06] <avih__> i don't disagree. but i have my reasons. if you can't help that's fine, but maybe someone can
[01:06] <VMGuy23> avih__: /topic: "ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.04, 21.10"
[01:07] <avih__> i know what the supported versions are. if you're telling me to go away, i can do that.
[01:07] <avih__> preferably someone more experience than me would have some ideas.
[01:07] <oerheks> perhaps #linux is a help ?
[01:08] <avih__> i might try that later, thanks. for now i'm asking here.
[01:16] <fly> hi
[01:27] <yukiup> hi
[03:10] <oops> i find one process occupy many ports , what's matter with this : https://paste.centos.org/view/5104879e
[03:12] <sarnold> there's nothing wrong with that, that's completely allowed
[03:16] <oops> sarnold: how does this happen? i open only one port for that application
[03:17] <leftyfb> oops: open(on your firewall) doesn't necessarily mean it's not listening on your machine regardless if it's accessible from the outside
[03:44] <oops> how to find my pc public ip address with command
[03:45] <oerheks> tons of sites that show you your IP and more details
[05:02] <katnis> do people use mariaDB
[05:33] <quazimodo> someone must?
[05:44] <Tomatokiller> Is somebody willing to help me with the security question? I don't know why my connection keeps getting knocked off…
[05:44] <Tomatokiller> I'm under a lot of pressure, I don't know what I'm doing, my server is live and I need help.
[05:56] <Tomatokiller> My last Apache config was all messed up. I finally got it secure. I'm still having issues with Wordpress loading up. Can someone tell me what shows up at: http://http://45.146.164.110 thanks.
[05:56] <Tomatokiller> I would be more than willing to pay somebody to help me as well.
[05:57] <Tomatokiller> I am new to IRC, I was told there would be a lot of people here who could help. I really want to make sure that I set up the security correctly.￼
[05:59] <Tomatokiller> Can anybody tell me if you guys can read what I'm typing? I hope I did my registration correctly.
[05:59] <alkisg> Tomatokiller: yes, your messages can be read properly
[06:00] <alkisg> The IP that you linked to has an apache "it works" page
[06:00] <Tomatokiller> alkisg: Thank you!
[06:02] <Tomatokiller> alkisg: It should be Wordpress blank page...?.?.?.? Huh
[06:03] <Tomatokiller> alkisg: I hope I did not get hacked again.￼
[06:03] <alkisg> Tomatokiller: well, it's not. Maybe you installed it in a subdir like "wordpress" or "wp", or maybe you didn't configure it properly...
[06:05] <Tomatokiller> alkisg: thank you, I will have to go double check. Somebody put a bunch of porn links in it jest before and installed wpterm to try to get root. I am starting over.
[06:05] <alkisg> Make sure you keep your server and your php apps up to date
[06:07] <Tomatokiller> alkisg: I had my permissions set incorrectly. It was all open for the taking. I have no clue what I'm doing. I'm being pushed by a cheap boss. I told him we should hire a real linux Admin.
[06:08] <Tomatokiller> Maybe it's better the server keeps getting attacked until the boss wakes up… It just hurts my feelings, because every time I think I figured it out, someone proves to me that I'm still an idiot.￼
[06:09] <Tomatokiller> ￼￼Is there anybody here that I could possibly hire to help?
[09:27] <mihaiadrian> hi, i have an old monitor connected through VGA to my laptop. i pressed the 'automatic adjustment' button on my monitor and now my resolution and font is fucked up. does anyone know how can i revert this changes?
[09:35] <Jakdaw> What's happened to security.ubuntu.com? Getting NXDOMAIN
[09:38] <Jakdaw> hmm looks like it's back on ns<x>.canonical.com - guess they screwed something up; need to wait for caches to refresh :-/
[09:43] <MonkZ> Hiho seems i'm blocked by cdimages.ubuntu.com and releases.ubuntu.com. I'm developing a mirror for ipxe - maybe I tripped a thresh.... Who should I talk to regarding creating a private mirror?
[09:51] <alexis> exit
[10:03] <howarthjw> Anyone else seeing linux-firmware 1.201.1 breaking their wifi? On my Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV Bluetooth 4.0/Wireless AC/B/G/N Band Dual Frequency 2.4Ghz/5.8Ghz Expansion Card, the wifi fails to initialize on 80-90% of the boots.
[10:03] <howarthjw> In these cases, I don't see these lines in syslog...
[10:04] <jeremy31> howarthjw: What is the actual hardware?  Intel wifi?
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> wich ubuntu release and kernel version are we talking about howarthjw ?
[10:04] <howarthjw> Impish
[10:04] <howarthjw> ov  3 05:25:52 home kernel: [   14.627478] iwlwifi 0000:4d:00.0: base HW address: 00:28:f8:f9:16:e0
[10:04] <howarthjw> Nov  3 05:25:52 home kernel: [   14.706002] iwlwifi 0000:4d:00.0 wlp77s0: renamed from wlan0
[10:05] <howarthjw> In the broken cases, I only see...
[10:05] <howarthjw> Nov  3 04:27:07 home kernel: [   13.045691] iwlwifi 0000:4d:00.0: enabling device (0000 -> 0002)
[10:05] <howarthjw> Nov  3 04:27:07 home kernel: [   13.055795] iwlwifi 0000:4d:00.0: loaded firmware version 36.ca7b901d.0 8265-36.ucode op_mode iwlmvm
[10:05] <howarthjw> Nov  3 04:27:07 home kernel: [   13.112172] iwlwifi 0000:4d:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless AC 8265, REV=0x230
[10:06] <howarthjw> If you look at launchpad, they were trying to fix the very same problem on MT7921 WiFi/Bluetooth and seem to created it elsewhere
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> howarthjw: i got an iwlwifi bug on early 22.04 with kernels 5.13 bug #1949065
[10:07] <howarthjw> I've already warned System76 (who made my machine which I run on stock 21.10) off of this linux-firmware update
[10:07] <jeremy31> The only recent change to linux-firmware for intel were bluetooth firmware
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> i got a similar machine, clevo howarthjw
[10:08] <howarthjw> Not what I see...
[10:08] <howarthjw> linux-firmware (1.201.1) impish; urgency=medium
[10:08] <howarthjw>   * [Packaging] rebase-upstream: Add a bug reference if env variable LP is set
[10:08] <howarthjw>   * Update firmware for MT7921 WiFi/Bluetooth (LP: #1947829)
[10:08] <howarthjw>     - linux-firmware: update firmware for MT7921 WiFi device
[10:09] <jeremy31> howarthjw: You don't have an MT7921 device
[10:10] <howarthjw> The issue is definitely associated with 1.201.1
[10:10] <howarthjw> I was actually on proposed updates earlier and saw the same exact issue
[10:11] <howarthjw> I downgraded off of proposed updates and it disappeared until 1.201.1 migrated into updates
[10:12] <jeremy31> The wifi firmware file you are using is 6 months old
[10:13] <howarthjw> I guess I could manually install linux-firmware 1.202 off of jammy
[10:13] <howarthjw> trying that now
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> howarthjw: im on 1.202 and got flaky wifi here aswell
[11:20] <gareth_> hi all first time using hexchat pleased to meet you all
[11:22] <vinod> Hi i need to instal wsl2 could you help me out
[11:24] <lotuspsychje> !ubuwin | vinod
[11:33] <Lionyx> Hello there!
[11:33] <Lionyx> Anybody else having speed issues with RTL8192EE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[11:33] <Lionyx> ?
[11:48] <shuje71> ya des francais ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> !fr | shuje71 oui
[12:01] <fly> I have installed alacritty. but can't figure out how to run it without a terminal open.
[12:04] <Lionyx> ALT+F2
[12:04] <Lionyx> type in alacritty
[12:04] <Lionyx> Is this what u want?
[12:05] <SteelRose> fly: updatedb && locate alacritty
[12:05] <SteelRose> fly: or ... which alacritty
[12:06] <fly> yes it runs. but the terminal doesn't release,
[12:07] <fly> tried nohup
[12:07] <SteelRose> what do you mean with "the terminal doesn't release" ?
[12:08] <fly> if I close the terminal, the alacritty terminal stops
[12:08] <SteelRose> fly: if you use a WM, go to Applications and search there
[12:09] <fly> I guess it isn't installed
[12:33] <SteelRose> fly: how did you install it?
[12:43] <fly> cargo install alacritty
[12:44] <fly> @SteelRose,
[12:50] <SteelRose> no idea what cargo is/does...
[12:50] <SteelRose> fly: are you using a windows manager?
[12:50] <SteelRose> or is it a head-less server?
[12:50] <SteelRose> without X?
[12:52] <fly> cargo is rust lan
[12:52] <fly> cargo is rust lang
[12:52] <fly> ok different question. how do I open files with sudo?
[12:52] <fly> I want to extract a file to /usr/local
[12:53] <tarzeau> fly: sudo su; then just do it?
[12:54] <leftyfb> fly: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:32] <liblem> I installed Ubuntu LTS 20.04 with ZFS. Now it tells me the bpool is full, but zsysctl show lists only rpool states. How can I get my bpool empty enough so it can generate new snapshots again?
[13:34] <avih__> FWIW, if anyone was wondering about my ufw issue I posted some 12 hours ago, it seems that it's not a ufw issue afterall. it some kernel modules got missing at the OpenVZ kernel, like "FATAL: Module nf_conntrack_netbios_ns not found.". and i'm now discussing this now with the hosting provider.
[13:36] <leftyfb> avih__: I highly discourage using VPN's on shared kernel platforms like OpenVZ. We can't support that here
[13:36] <leftyfb> sorry, VPC's
[13:36] <leftyfb> er, VPS
[13:36] <avih__> leftyfb: i understand. i'm not requiring support :) it was just an FYI.
[13:38] <leftyfb> avih__: you did 12 hours ago. And people were wasting their time helping to support something that wasn't an issue with ubuntu
[13:40] <avih__> i did not require anything. i asked politely, providing as much info as i could. and as it seems no one wasted their time. i also didn't know what the real problem was 12 hours ago, and now i know more, and posted an FYI. if that's too much for your taste, tell me to fuck off earlier, and i would have.
[13:47] <TikityTik> if I want to share files between 2 users where should I put them?
[13:47] <TikityTik> should I use hardlinks? softlinks?
[13:48] <leftyfb> TikityTik: you shouldn't use links at all. Either make a shared directory they can both access or maybe bind mount a directory in both users home directories
[13:49] <TikityTik> bind mount a directory?
[13:49] <TikityTik> where should this shared directory be?
[13:50] <leftyfb> TikityTik: what exactly is the use case?
[13:53] <TikityTik> I got 2 work accts on my work computer, i haven't setup this desktop. I need to create a local account due to technical issues, but I need to use all my old account's dot files, VM images, notes, etc
[13:53] <TikityTik> I have created a local account*
[13:54] <MonkZ> Who should I talk to, if I want to create a mirror for ubuntu isos?
[13:55] <leftyfb> MonkZ: #ubuntu-mirrors
[13:55] <MonkZ> Thanks :)
[13:55] <leftyfb> TikityTik: you should not use dot files across multiple users. That's just asking for trouble
[13:55] <TikityTik> also I'm sure I'll need to use both accounts as I might need to use my old account for some reason
[13:56] <TikityTik> leftyfb, then for VM images & notes purposes
[13:58] <thephet> Hi, this is a fresh installation with 20.04. I am trying to install cuda 11.2 but I am getting some errors. Now I just tried to install the nvidia-drivers 460 but I also get some errors. You can see the error here: https://pastebin.com/01xifxav no idea how to fix it
[14:00] <TikityTik> should i be creating a bunch of directories in /usr/share?'
[14:03] <leftyfb> TikityTik: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-share-a-directory-with-an-another-user/
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> thephet: the guides on linuxconfig are usualy pretty good, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-cuda-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[14:20] <TikityTik> leftyfb, thanks!
[15:12] <Gallomimia> pardon can someone remind me how i can unmap the left-meta key from... whatever the heck it does by default
[15:13] <Gallomimia> ohhhh settings -> keyboard -> shortcuts ?
[15:22] <Sven_vB> hi :) for erasing SSDs, is there a meaningfull difference between blkdiscard and Secure Erase?
[15:26] <Sven_vB> it seems the GPT survived the blkdiscard.
[15:33] <pycurious> how often do i need to run apt update?
[15:33] <pycurious> is once a day enough?
[15:33] <tarzeau> pycurious: yes
[15:35] <Gallomimia> oh yeah thanks for reminding me
[15:35] <iomari891> greetings, how can i get netplan to flush the routing table before it adds it's routes?
[15:42] <Gallomimia> how can i possibly know what updates are coming in the new release of "linux-firmware" today? the packages.ubuntu website is not very forthcoming
[15:42] <Gallomimia> and a second question... when is such firmware getting installed? on reboot?
[15:44] <Gallomimia> hm. this page shows a changelog, the latest of which is from 29 september. where's todays? http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-firmware/linux-firmware_1.201/changelog
[15:44] <TJ-> Gallomimia:  firmware is loaded by the driver, which will usually be at boot-time unless the device is hot-plugged or removed and reinserted
[15:45] <Gallomimia>  thx
[15:45] <Gallomimia> still a great mystery which firmware is coming down the pipe
[15:45] <TJ-> Gallomimia: as to changes, "apt-get changelog <package-name>"
[15:45] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: are you having any hardware issues?
[15:45] <Gallomimia> no
[15:45] <Gallomimia> i would just rather keep some tabs on who and why someone is updating firmware in my system
[15:45] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: unless you're having hardware issues, I wouldn't worry too much about the linux-firmware package being updated
[15:46] <Gallomimia> good for you. i'm going to worry about it. at least ask questions
[15:46] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: to be clear, no firmware is being written to devices. This is firmware that is loaded realtime at boot by the driver. It's making no changes to your hardware
[15:47] <Gallomimia> "loaded" you mean into kernel memory?
[15:47] <leftyfb> correct
[15:47] <Gallomimia> then.... how is it firmware?
[15:47] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: it's how the driver is interfacing with the hardware
[15:48] <Gallomimia> sounds to me like it's just an extension to said driver
[15:48] <TJ-> Gallomimia: a device driver in the kernel declares firmware files it may need to load into hardware devices. When the driver sees a device that needs firmware it asks userspace to pass it to the kernel, and the driver then writes it into the hardware
[15:49] <TJ-> Gallomimia: firmware is not code that can be executed on the host; it is usually the machine-code of the hardware device
[15:49] <Gallomimia> that's a lot of fuzzy answers sirs. if it's firmware, it writes to hardware. if it's software, it's part of a driver. if it's firmware, it's modifying my device. albeit should be of benefit, i simply want to keep track
[15:49] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Linux_firmware
[15:50] <TJ-> Gallomimia: in long-gone days such firmware was in ROM/EEPROM on the hardware but nowadays its loaded into SRAM of the device by the OS driver
[15:50] <KBar> i got a feeling this would be offtopic, but is it possible to disable menubars in all gtk apps altogether?
[15:50] <Gallomimia> not news to me so far
[15:51] <Gallomimia> interesting legal issues on that page
[15:53] <Gallomimia> looks like.... just a wireless device. glad to find out at least what's going on. probably a lot of it is over my head tho
[16:14] <Gallomimia> still can't figure out what the super button activates by itself
[16:14] <Gallomimia> or how to turn it off
[16:16] <frickler> humm, seems the firefox snap just updated itself and firefox crashed almost instantly. after restart, the mouse pointer is tiny when ff has focus, like it doesn't get the scale=200% setting any longer
[16:17] <frickler> is there a way to revert to the previous snap in order to crosscheck?
[16:20] <gallomimia_> hey. who closed my irc client?!
[16:21] <frickler> this is on impish fwiw
[16:23] <Gallomimia> no one knows how to turn off the Super key's tendency to show activities overlay?
[16:23] <Gallomimia> how do i modify settings for the activities overlay?
[16:27] <Gallomimia> seems rather odd that people can tell me about the complex inner workings of packages but some very simple info about the most prominent feature of the UI in impish is a mystery
[16:30] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-disable-super-or-win-key-in-ubuntu-20-04-or-18-04/    2nd result on google for "ubuntu disable super button"
[16:30] <gallomimia_> thank you. very much. guess i'm not using the right search terms
[16:30] <gallomimia_> in related news, how do i change the number of virtual desktops that are open?
[16:32] <leftyfb> https://askubuntu.com/a/1081253/1151311  first result on google for "ubuntu number of virtual desktops"
[16:33] <gallomimia_> thanks again. and now for a comment from the peanut gallery. i find it rather disturbing that i need 3rd party tools to make these very basic changes. seems to me the devs need to slow their roll, go back and in-fill the settings and features that already exist.
[16:33] <gallomimia_> what.... in the
[16:34] <gallomimia_> the workspaces only affects my main monitor?
[16:34] <leftyfb> gallomimia_: there's usually gconf/dconf entries that gnome-tweak exposes. You can go looking for these to modify without gnome-tweak
[16:34] <gallomimia_> text files?
[16:34] <leftyfb> no
[16:34] <ioria> nope, gesttings : gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences num-workspaces
[16:35] <ioria> then gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences num-workspaces num
[16:35] <gallomimia_> oh a commandline tool
[16:35] <ioria> same for overlay key
[16:35] <leftyfb> there's also the dconf-editor GUI tool
[16:35] <gallomimia_> ooo where's that?
[16:35] <leftyfb> you need to install it
[16:36] <gallomimia_> i mean. it's not a perfect thing. but it's at least halfway to
[16:36] <gallomimia_> yeah. non default software to change very basic settings. not a good look
[16:36] <leftyfb> gallomimia_: feel free to file bugs with the gnome project
[16:37] <gallomimia_> yeah i think i should spend a day at that
[16:37] <gallomimia_> tweaks is yelling at me to get gnome extensions instead?
[16:38] <gallomimia_> ah nice. there's a setting to decide if workspaces span all displays or just main. i like
[16:39] <gallomimia_> of course, i don't know which i would prefer :P
[16:40] <leftyfb> gallomimia_: please keep the commentary to a minimum. If you run into an issue, feel free to ask for help when you do
[16:51] <RadSurfer> Under Ubuntu, how can I get this to execute in a shellscript automatically? echo "kill -9 "$x"; kill -9 "$y
[17:34] <hax> I had a font in ~.fonts ("Inter") that name-collided with a google font. The local one is an icon-font/webdings style, and was making some webpages illegible. I deleted the local font, ran dpkg-reconfigure fontcache, cleared chrome's whole cache and restarted it. font-viewer and mate-font-viewer still show the font, but not where it is or how to delete it. font-manager doesn't show the font at all. The font is not in ~/.local/share/fonts, /usr/local/share/fonts, or
[17:34] <hax> /usr/share/fonts. Am I missing something? This seems overly complex.
[17:39] <TJ-> hax:  you could try rebuilding the cache in verbose mode with "fc-cache -v"
[17:48] <Kjartan> Hi, I'm looking for help on notifications of waiting email message(s) and number. My web search has only found the apparently deprecated messages menu bar but no discussion on what took its place. Any ideas where to find a solution/information?
[18:00] <gallomimia_> RadSurfer, how exactly do you want to execute it, and where are you going to get the info for x and y? you can construct a shell script, which is a bit more complicated than can be explained here, and it can be run in a myriad of ways. for example cron, or under settings -> keyboard -> shortcuts -> custom, you can get it executed at a keypress. and why do you want it echo'd?
[18:00] <gallomimia_> !shellscript
[18:01] <gallomimia_> ubottu fails for not having factoids on shell scripts
[18:02] <jhutchins> gallomimia_: That's a pretty broad category.
[18:03] <gallomimia_> yeah it is. so could use a couple brief lines to describe how to get more information
[18:03] <jhutchins> RadSurfer: You really don't want to do a kill -9 unattended.
[18:03] <gallomimia_> the one on "shell" is very suscinct and gives a link
[18:03] <gallomimia_> i agree
[18:04] <RadSurfer> yes, learned that now :)
[18:05] <gallomimia_> ouch. i hope not the hard way
[18:05] <RadSurfer> I corrected it; got it working
[18:05] <RadSurfer> it never seemed to hurt anything.
[18:08] <jhutchins> A lot of the old init scripts used kill in shutdown commands.  Might be worth digging up some examples.
[18:08] <gallomimia_> at the very least, avoid doing it with elevated priviledges
[18:09] <RadSurfer> to generally just terminate an app via terminal, what's recommended?
[18:09] <gallomimia_> not -9
[18:09] <RadSurfer> kill -SIGTERM
[18:09] <gallomimia_> clean shutdown is the default signal sent by kill. it's code 15. or sigterm
[18:10] <gallomimia_> -9 is for really bad hangs, borks, and otherwise rough times
[18:10] <RadSurfer> Okay.
[18:11] <RadSurfer> seem people use it alot with browsers
[18:12] <gallomimia_> if sigterm doesn't work, you can use -9 instead, but be advised that means something really wrong has happened. or there's a dialog waiting for you to confirm, save, etc
[18:12] <gallomimia_> you can learn a lot about this from a view of man kill
[18:13] <gallomimia_> and definitely a view of man 7 signal
[18:15] <leftyfb> RadSurfer: what is this for exactly? Should this be something a systemd service file should be managing?
[18:16] <RadSurfer> running timidity inside a shellscript; so both need to be terminated (properly)
[18:17] <Xard> while ago I had to rollback a Nvidia driver to avoid a G-sync display blanking bug but I confirm that the latest stable update 470.82.00 fixed the issue even though it's not mentioned in the Ubuntu changelog
[18:19] <gallomimia_> Xard, so... are you thinking the changelog should be updated, or do you need to file a bug report.... possibly with nvidia or with the package maintainer of those drivers?
[18:19] <Xard> it's not even mentioned in the official change log but a developer in nvidia forums confirmed that the fix was included so that's that
[18:20] <gallomimia_> hmmmmm maybe file an issue pointing out that it's absent in change logs?
[18:21] <gallomimia_> i'm not terribly sure. seems a minor semantic issue. but i really appreciate accurate changelogs
[18:22] <Xard> true, as it is a significant change if you own a VRR display as the bug just resulted in black screen after couple of seconds for any full screen application
[18:30] <webchat69> Hello
[18:30] <webchat69> Is anyone here?
[18:30] <sarnold> a few hundred people..
[18:30] <webchat69> Oh
[18:30] <webchat69> Is this a help chat?
[18:31] <gallomimia_> !ask > webchat69
[18:31] <gallomimia_> damn. is it the pipe operator to make bot say in this channel?
[18:31] <jhutchins> !ask | gallomimia_
[18:32] <gallomimia_> right! okay thanks
[18:32] <jhutchins> Now we both know.
[18:32] <alkisg> !ask > alkisg
[18:33] <webchat69> Difficult ui here too lol
[18:33] <gallomimia_> yes. most of us use a real client to connect instead of the web interface
[18:33] <sarnold> there's dozens of irc clients, people have strong opinions about them all
[18:34] <webchat69> Isee is this a temp username?
[18:34] <webchat69> How can I log in to this again.
[18:35] <Gallomimia> same way you got here
[18:35] <jhutchins> webchat69: You might want to read some of the results from a search for "irc", learn something about the environment.
[18:36] <sarnold> webchat69: you can register a nickname with nickserv, /msg nickserv help register
[18:36] <jhutchins> !irc
[18:36] <leftyfb> webchat69: you can also get help in #libera
[18:36] <leftyfb> webchat69: /join #libera
[18:38] <Gallomimia> one of the easiest to get on ubuntu is called hexchat. can get it in the software "store" for free. it's default setting connects to this channel.
[18:39] <webchat69> Okay.
[18:39] <webchat69> On it
[18:39] <webchat69> I can send screenshots here?
[18:39] <tractor777> webchat69 if you are on the webchat using libera there is an option to change name at the LHS of the type your message bar at the bottom. P.S. I just tried hexchat and irssi and find that webchat is easier
[18:40] <Gallomimia> not directly. you must post them to a website and paste the link to it in here
[18:40] <sarnold> imgur.com is popular for screenshots
[18:40] <Gallomimia> !image | webchat69
[18:40] <Gallomimia> boo
[18:40] <Gallomimia> here we go.
[18:41] <Gallomimia> !screenshot | webchat69
[18:41] <webchat69> Ty ubottu
[18:41] <webchat69> On it
[18:41] <webchat69> Let me install updates first
[18:41] <Gallomimia> sounds like you know a thing or two already
[18:41] <webchat69> Just crashed Ubuntu twice just to install Nvidia 340 drivers
[18:42] <webchat69> This is now 2nd install xD
[18:42] <Gallomimia> what method are you using to install?
[18:42] <Gallomimia> !nvidia | webchat69
[18:42] <webchat69> Didn't want to crash it again using solutions from Google, so wanted a discord or any live chat and I found this.
[18:43] <Gallomimia> yes. here we are. we are here.
[18:44] <Gallomimia> is it safe to assume you're downloading something from the nvidia website and running that? this is most assuredly not the best way to do it
[18:44] <webchat69> Not
[18:45] <webchat69> Lol i just updated the 3 updates in the softwares and I got another error on reboot.
[18:45] <Gallomimia> oh dear. what's it say?
[18:45] <webchat69> Indirect register access failed
[18:46] <TJ-> webchat69: at what point do you see that? very early in the boot process?
[18:46] <Gallomimia> and it fails to boot?
[18:46] <webchat69> After the logo.
[18:47] <webchat69> This is not even the problem that what I came for.
[18:47] <TJ-> webchat69: but the system does boot to desktop ?
[18:47] <webchat69> I'm trying.
[18:47] <webchat69> Manual reboot.
[18:48] <Gallomimia> yes but it might give a hint about what's actually wrong... an install of the nvidia-driver-340 package should be very simple and without problems
[18:48] <webchat69> Blank screen now. After the cursor. Anwyays I think I'll have to install a fresh copy again.
[18:48] <webchat69> Will be back in a hour.
[18:48] <TJ-> webchat69: not necessarily, we can likely talk you through some workarouns
[18:48] <webchat69> :/
[18:49] <webchat69> No worries. Don't want to use up your energy to fix this. My problem was entirely different. I can install a fresh copy again. Will be back.
[18:50] <Gallomimia> if running a simple update borks your install right from the get-go, then there's another underlying problem that needs fixing. perhaps you need to change some bios settings
[18:50] <webchat69> Here we go again..
[18:52] <TJ-> it's about time the nvidia driver install used an overlayfs initially so it is easy to revert when it breaks
[18:52] <Gallomimia> i have so many questions about that TJ- but it's probably over my head for now, and i have some stuff to do instead
[18:53] <Gallomimia> but let it be known i'm very interested in what you just said
[18:56] <webchat69> I did erase and install ubuntu. A hour ago. Will do fresh partition and install.
[18:56] <webchat69> I'm using this tutorial https://youtu.be/aHqeTQSSuvg
[18:56] <webchat69> Hope it's okay.
[18:57] <webchat69> Gallomimia will be back. Thanks for replying. :)
[19:09] <webchat69> And now following the tutorial for partition I'm getting no efi partition was found. System will likely not be able to boot successfully...
[19:10] <webchat69> Well.. Life is tough. :'(
[19:10] <Gallomimia> what does the tutorial say to do? and more importantly, why are you doing anything to your partitions besides using the default setup
[19:10] <webchat69> Idk just use normal erase and install ubuntu?
[19:11] <sarnold> is your bios configured to boot uefi or legacy/csm?
[19:11] <webchat69> No need to do the fancy partitioning setup?
[19:11] <Gallomimia> i'm rather in the dark....... why do you need a tutorial at all to install ubuntu?
[19:11] <webchat69> Sarnold that I dont know.
[19:11] <sarnold> the defaults ought to be right for whatever your system currently is configured to do
[19:11] <webchat69> Haha. Was just looking for how to partition disk space.
[19:12] <Gallomimia> perhaps share some more details on what it is you want to do
[19:12] <webchat69> Last time I was getting erort after reboot and after I did the partition thingy it worked correctly so I always did that.
[19:12] <Gallomimia> correct. there's no need to do a fancy partitioning setup
[19:12] <webchat69> Okay
[19:12] <Gallomimia> only if you want special partitioning setups do you need to do that
[19:12] <webchat69> Just erase and install ubuntu it is now.
[19:13] <Gallomimia> is that what you want? just a plain jane running system?
[19:14] <webchat69> Currently just want to install ubuntu
[19:14] <Gallomimia> okay giv'er
[19:14] <webchat69> I have a bootable flash drive with ubuntu 21
[19:15] <Gallomimia> the entire point of ubuntu, in fact the reason they chose the name ubuntu, is to make an alternative operating system that everyone can use easily. no need to muck about with special partitioning scheemes, or struggle with installing video card drivers, compiling them into the kernel. just work. automagically
[19:16] <webchat69> I was actually struggling with the video card drivers xD
[19:18] <Gallomimia> well, i'm hoping that once you get a plain jane install completed, you should be able to go into "Software & Updates" select the "Additional Drivers" tab, and it takes care of that for you too.
[19:18] <webchat69> Actually i wanted to setup a second monitor on the laptop. I connected the hdmi cable to the monitor and the laptop but on the laptop it didn't show any displays connected. On the second monitor it showed cable not connected.
[19:18] <webchat69> I did some Google ran some codes which i did not understand and got stuck with a blank screen twice.
[19:18] <webchat69> Now I'm installing a fresh copy again.
[19:18] <Gallomimia> so, next question. why are you using an extremely old version of the nvidia drivers? they're usually quite backward compatible
[19:19] <Gallomimia> the current version is 470
[19:19] <webchat69> I see. But i think for my laptop the recommend drivers shown were 340. My laptop is old too. I think old gen i5.
[19:20] <webchat69> I thought the problem was with Nvidia drivers, that's why it didn't detect the second monitor connected to the hdmi port.
[19:21] <sarnold> there's a reasonable chance there's a button on your keyboard that you can hit to cycle between the built-in monitor, the external monitor, and both monitors
[19:22] <webchat69> Sir. Do not scare me. Theres a button on F4 which looks like a screen. Let me google what it is. But now i can't test it cuz im install ubuntu..
[19:23] <Gallomimia> that's correct too. but usually you ned to get nvidia drivers working in any event.
[19:23] <sarnold> maybe you just hit f4; maybe you have to hold down an fn key then press f4..
[19:23] <webchat69> I'll kill my self if the button is used to switch screens
[19:23] <sarnold> different companies do different things
[19:23] <Gallomimia> no no don't do that!
[19:23] <Gallomimia> but i agree, you might have made this way more complicated than they need to be...
[19:24] <webchat69> Okay we are on the copying files screen.
[19:24] <webchat69> Talking with real people feels better than scrolling thorugh forums.
[19:24] <webchat69> I think till make it this time.
[19:24] <webchat69> :')
[19:25] <Gallomimia> another problem with googling for answers is.... websites don't get updated with the correct information. ubuntu gets a new version every 6 months. you might be doing something for an older version without realizing.
[19:25] <webchat69> Most of the solutions were from 2018..
[19:25] <Gallomimia> would you care to share the model of laptop you're using? i'd like to know more about why the very old driver version. even my rather old graphics card benefits from the newest nvidia driver.
[19:26] <Gallomimia> when i started using this gpu, 340 was in beta
[19:27] <sarnold> it's funny, sometimes answers from 2006 are still the right answer, and sometimes answers from six months ago are garbage now..
[19:27] <webchat69> R007tx HP
[19:27] <webchat69> Also the problem might not even be Nvidia. But the drivers just wouldn't install.
[19:28] <webchat69> Let's see. I have hope with you guys here.. :)
[19:30] <webchat69> Gallomimia i just used the erase and install ubuntu option this time.
[19:31] <Gallomimia> once it boots open the app called "Software & Updates" and let it do its thing. takes a minute or two, but it should find all the drivers you need for your laptop. including wifi and bluetooth
[19:32] <webchat69> Yes surely.
[19:33] <webchat69> Error: file '/boot/grub/... /normal.mod' not found.
[19:33] <webchat69> Engaging rescue mode...
[19:33] <webchat69> Grub rescue> _
[19:34] <webchat69> Same thing I ended up last time wihtout doing patrtition thing.
[19:34] <webchat69> My pc needs it. :/
[19:35] <sarnold> very strange :(
[19:36] <sarnold> I think my /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod comes from /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod which is in package grub-efi-amd64-bin
[19:37] <webchat69> I have two usb flash drives now. :D
[19:37] <webchat69> In boot options.
[19:37] <webchat69> Plus ubuntu.
[19:38] <webchat69> Anwyays I'll get back to you guys later. Need to figure this out first. Thanks for the help.
[19:48] <Gallomimia> webchat69, this sounds like some bios settings need to be changed. most of those are over my head. but making sure it's in EFI mode is one of the most useful. sounds like it is in efi mode when it shows you two different options for the USB flash drive
[19:49] <Gallomimia> i seem to have borked my firefox install
[19:50] <Gallomimia> no there it goes. crashed it tho
[19:55] <webchat69> ..
[19:56] <webchat69> I'm in.
[19:56] <webchat69> For the 4th time.
[19:57] <webchat69> Installing updates..
[20:00] <Gallomimia> webchat69, this sounds like some bios settings need to be changed. most of those are over my head. but making sure it's in EFI mode is one of the most useful. sounds like it is in efi mode when it shows you two different options for the USB flash drive
[20:01] <Gallomimia> is your laptop the HP 15-r007tx ?
[20:02] <Gallomimia> geforce GT 820M
[20:02] <Gallomimia> that's newer than my GPU :P you probably want the latest drivers
[20:03] <webchat69> Yes that's the laptop I'm using.
[20:03] <webchat69> Hehe
[20:03] <Gallomimia> according to nvidia site version 430 is suitable: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/149138/en-us
[20:04] <Gallomimia> should get installed automagically by the procedure i mentioned. additional drivers
[20:04] <webchat69> Well you might have noticed by now that I'm seriously a noob at this, the only reason I'm using ubuntu is windows is really shitty and lags like hell. And when i install ubuntu it feels very fast and fresh.
[20:04] <Gallomimia> now we might need to look up some bios options that need changing
[20:04] <Gallomimia> yes. we're glad to have you on board!
[20:05] <webchat69> I'm using since a year. I just use chrome and use it to read pdf.
[20:05] <Gallomimia> and i'm sorry it's given you this much of a headache so far
[20:05] <webchat69> And type notes on obsidian.
[20:05] <webchat69> That's it.
[20:05] <webchat69> Works for me.
[20:05] <webchat69> >Finished installing updates. Restarting.
[20:06] <webchat69> Im in.
[20:06] <webchat69> :D
[20:06] <sarnold> webchat69: hah, I've had a tab open to obsidian for months, maybe even years at this point
[20:06] <sarnold> webchat69: you like it?
[20:06] <webchat69> Like what?
[20:06] <webchat69> Obsidian note taking app I mean.
[20:06] <Gallomimia> what's it?
[20:06] <Gallomimia> i've never used
[20:07] <webchat69> Its good. Me like.
[20:07] <webchat69> Anwyays.
[20:07] <webchat69> This is what I came for...
[20:07] <Gallomimia> i'm reading a page that says HP made a goof when they implemented UEFI, and you need to use a customized boot setting
[20:07] <Gallomimia> !HP
[20:08] <webchat69> Oh
[20:08] <Gallomimia> https://askubuntu.com/questions/554690/hp-uefi-doesnt-boot-ubuntu-automatically can anyone comment on this? is it appropriate for the HP-15-r007tx
[20:09] <webchat69> Ooh I see that's why my normal installs always end up in grub errors?
[20:10] <Gallomimia> possibly. i'm not an expert on the boot process. but TJ- is
[20:11] <webchat69v2> didnt know how to join with the same account so created a new one on laptop
[20:11] <webchat69v2> the other one was on the phone
[20:12] <sarnold> oof, irc on a phone, brutal
[20:12] <webchat69v2> so i connected the monitor and it shows cable not connected
[20:12] <Gallomimia> well the laptop is likely to lose connection since you're still tweaking it's boot. irc does not tell you what was said while you're disconnected
[20:12] <Gallomimia> did you install the driver?
[20:12] <webchat69v2> no im at step one now
[20:12] <webchat69v2> just intalled ubuntu
[20:12] <webchat69v2> i have to connect this second monitor to this laptop
[20:13] <Gallomimia> well, there's no telling what caveats there might be. whether you push that button, or if you go to display properties. or anything
[20:13] <webchat69> Settings > display doesn't show another display
[20:13] <Gallomimia> but one thing i'm quite sure of... you need some nvidia drivers.
[20:13] <webchat69> I see
[20:13] <webchat69> Wait let me show you what drivers I have now.
[20:13] <peto> hi, is there any way to download ubuntu desktop 20.04 for raspberry pi 4? thanks
[20:14] <Gallomimia> peto, i think you want the ARM version
[20:14] <Gallomimia> webchat69, Software & Updates -> Additional Drivers
[20:14] <ravage> peto: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[20:14] <peto> @Gallomimia yes, arm64
[20:14] <Gallomimia> ah, there's a difference
[20:15] <peto> @ravage but there are only 21.04 up, i want the LTS version
[20:15] <ravage> there is no 20.04 desktop version
[20:16] <Gallomimia> hey sarnold is that obsidian software you were talking about at obsidian.md ? seems..... very powerful.
[20:17] <sarnold> Gallomimia: yeah, that's the stuff
[20:17] <Fatal_Sushi> peto: for a LTS on the Pi 4 you have to wait until Ubuntu 22.04 comes out
[20:17] <Fatal_Sushi> just 169 days to go
[20:17] <ravage> ( on a desktop )
[20:17] <peto> only with mate :/ i hate mate :D
[20:17] <peto> only 169 :)
[20:18] <Gallomimia> darn that's kinda sad. have to wait for an LTS before deploying rpi4's in embedded machines?
[20:18] <sarnold> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Raspberry_Pi
[20:18] <sarnold> "Since the release of Ubuntu 19.10 Raspberry Pi 32-bit and 64-bit preinstalled images (renamed to raspi) support the Raspberry Pi 4 platform out-of-the-box. With this, our images now support almost all modern flavors of the Raspberry Pi family of devices (Pi 2B, Pi 3B, Pi 3A+, Pi 3B+, CM3, CM3+, Pi 4B). Starting from Ubuntu Server 20.04.2, support for the CM4 (all variants) and the Pi 400 has been added
[20:18] <sarnold> too. "
[20:19] <ravage> Gallomimia: no
[20:19] <sarnold> sometimes the point releases of lts get newer hardware support
[20:20] <Gallomimia> sarnold, wow. is canadian?
[20:20] <ravage> And I dont think a LTS release makes much sense on a PI desktop system. There are so many changes to the drivers and general performance you don't want to miss for 5 years
[20:21] <ravage> 21.10 still has a lot of problems on my PI4
[20:21] <peto> @ravage what kind of problems?
[20:23] <ravage> Mostly crashes related to the graphics driver
[20:23] <sarnold> Gallomimia: no idea :)
[20:23] <ravage> Hardware acceleration is a big mess
[20:24] <waveform> ravage, I take it you're on the desktop image and using kms, i.e. it's LP: #1946368 that's biting you?
[20:25] <ravage> waveform: no. the whole system just crashes. windows get stuck. apps crash or dont respond. and yes i use kms
[20:25] <ravage> i did not check the log yet really. maybe it is one of my many problems
[20:27] <waveform> ravage, hmmm -- try flipping it to the fkms overlay to see if that resolves things. If it does, you're likely running into that issue; a test kernel is in -proposed for the kms overlay, but fkms is a reliable workaround until that lands (which should be in a few days as verification is now done)
[20:28] <waveform> (fkms has its own issues, choppy sound output for one, but at least it avoids the "entire display freezing" pain)
[20:28] <ravage> waveform: i will boot it up again in my usual 4 week interval and see what has changed
[20:29] <ravage> so far it keeps disappointing :)
[20:32] <waveform> I'm afraid kms is still quite "new" as a driver, but we're committed to it as it's the only thing that upstream actively supports on the versions of kernel that we're using (fkms works for now on 5.13, but we've been advised that breakage is possible/probable at some point)
[20:33] <ravage> the only OS that really worked "OK" so far was Raspberry Pi OS. Mate did crash during the installation
[20:33] <ravage> so i will just wait and see what the future holds
[20:41] <bobdobbs`> Hi. I'm on KDE. I just noticed that my panel clock is stuck. It hasn't changed since yesterday. Is there a quick fix for this? A way to restart the panel without logging out of the desktop environment?
[20:43] <webchat69v2> hey
[20:43] <webchat69v2> Gallomimia https://imgur.com/a/jMNmzpk
[20:44] <Gallomimia> how's going?
[20:44] <webchat69v2> https://imgur.com/a/jMNmzpk
[20:44] <Gallomimia> change to the top option in the aditional drivers
[20:45] <Gallomimia> and hit apply. then a reboot should get things on track
[20:45] <webchat69v2> i cant
[20:45] <webchat69v2> i showed the error int he second last pic
[20:45] <Gallomimia> whoa
[20:46] <Gallomimia> maybe in the terminal you can try sudo apt install nvidia-340
[20:47] <webchat69v2> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
[20:47] <webchat69v2> Setting up nvidia-340 (340.108-0ubuntu5.20.04.2) ...
[20:47] <webchat69v2> dpkg: error: version '-' has bad syntax: revision number is empty
[20:47] <webchat69v2> dpkg: error: version '-' has bad syntax: revision number is empty
[20:47] <webchat69v2> update-initramfs: deferring update (trigger activated)
[20:47] <Gallomimia> i do not know what this error means. however a terminal should give us details. might be.... initramfs-update failing
[20:47] <webchat69v2> INFO:Enable nvidia-340
[20:47] <sarnold> I think try sudo ubuntu-drivers install
[20:48] <Gallomimia> oh is that a meta package for the latest driver?
[20:48] <Gallomimia> this is good. gosh i'm way out of touch with the ubuntus
[20:48] <webchat69v2> are you guys getting the msg
[20:49] <webchat69v2> im geeting error here too when i paste the error from the terminal
[20:49] <webchat69v2> :D
[20:49] <Gallomimia> deferring update.... it should. finish that
[20:49] <webchat69v2> cannot send to nick/channel
[20:49] <leftyfb> !paste |webchat69v2
[20:49] <Gallomimia> yeah you can't paste big... that ^^^^
[20:49] <sarnold> Gallomimia: check 'apt-cache show nvidia-driver-470' -- it spits out a gigantic list of hardware identifiers; the ubuntu-drivers tool knows how to read these and the hardware on the system and ought to propose the right thing
[20:50] <Gallomimia> is guud feature.
[20:50] <sarnold> Gallomimia: since nvidia drops support for cards in newer drivers, it's sometimes necessary to get older drivers
[20:50] <Gallomimia> very nais
[20:50] <sarnold> :)
[20:51] <webchat69v2> hm i need to log in to paste error
[20:51] <Gallomimia> my gpu is even older than hers and i'm pretty sure mine works fine in 430.
[20:52] <Gallomimia> there's a login-free one at pastebin.com
[20:52] <sarnold> yeah :( there was too much spam on the ubuntu pastebin :( debian has one, and I love termbin.com, you can just pipe a command into | nc termbin.com 9999
[20:53] <webchat69v2> https://justpaste.it/97emx
[20:53] <webchat69v2> anwyasy so the probelm is with nvidia drivers? that im not able to connect to the second monitor?
[20:54] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1853977
[20:56] <webchat69v2> so this is a bug that isnt fixed?
[20:56] <Gallomimia> it's not the problem with nvidia drivers. it's that you don't have them installed. i'm unsure as to how to overcome that error
[20:56] <webchat69v2> ill go crazy this time xD
[20:57] <Gallomimia> i think you should install nvidia-430 not 340
[20:57] <webchat69v2> lets try that
[20:57] <Gallomimia> or the package nvidia-drivers as sarnold suggested
[20:58] <webchat69v2> i did that package thing last tiem
[20:58] <Gallomimia> i prefer to use command line for all my software updates and installs. gives better error messages
[20:58] <webchat69v2> let me try to install 430
[20:58] <webchat69v2> sudo apt install nvidia-430
[20:58] <webchat69v2> Reading package lists... Done
[20:58] <webchat69v2> Building dependency tree
[20:58] <webchat69v2> Reading state information... Done
[20:58] <webchat69v2> E: Unable to locate package nvidia-430
[20:59] <Gallomimia> i'm getting frustrated :(
[21:00] <Gallomimia> it's nvidia-driver-430
[21:00] <Gallomimia> they changed the naming convention :(
[21:00] <webchat69v2> relax :D
[21:01] <webchat69v2> sorry
[21:02] <webchat69v2> for the trouble
[21:02] <Gallomimia> no no, i'm sorry. this problem should have been super easy to figure out. i've run a carpet cleaner and fixed the drawers in a dresser in the time it's taken
[21:02] <webchat69v2> but is the problem with the drivers that im not able to connect to the moinitor?
[21:03] <webchat69v2> anaywasy im installing 430 now hope it solves the problem :)
[21:03] <Gallomimia> my theory is that it needs to run the GPU properly in order to deal with the HDMI port
[21:03] <webchat69v2> yea lets do the driver thingy first
[21:04] <Gallomimia> it's possible your monitor is not actively looking for a signal. wrong input perhaps? i've had issues with that
[21:04] <Gallomimia> i'm 100% certain that you need the driver to function for most of the forseeable future
[21:04] <Gallomimia> so.... might as well get it in there
[21:04] <webchat69v2> yes
[21:05] <webchat69v2> think i succesfully installed 430
[21:06] <webchat69v2> will reboot once
[21:06] <Gallomimia> fingers crossed
[21:06] <webchat69v2> hehe
[21:11] <webchat69v2> hmm
[21:11] <webchat69v2> i have the nvidia Xdrivers application now
[21:12] <webchat69v2> but still no thing in displays
[21:12] <webchat69v2> also
[21:12] <webchat69v2> nvidia-smi
[21:12] <webchat69v2> NVIDIA-SMI has failed because it couldn't communicate with the NVIDIA driver. Make sure that the latest NVIDIA driver is installed and running.
[21:13] <webchat69v2> softwares and updates now shows im using a manually installed driver
[21:15] <webchat69v2> modinfo nvidia
[21:15] <webchat69v2> filename:       /lib/modules/5.11.0-38-generic/updates/dkms/nvidia.ko
[21:15] <webchat69v2> alias:          char-major-195-*
[21:15] <webchat69v2> version:        460.91.03
[21:15] <webchat69v2> supported:      external
[21:15] <webchat69v2> license:        NVIDIA
[21:16] <leftyfb> !paste | webchat69v2
[21:17] <webchat69v2> modinfo nvidia shows the version is 460
[21:17] <webchat69v2> that is solved i guess now
[21:19] <webchat69v2> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033785/external-monitor-not-detected-on-ubuntu-18-04
[21:19] <webchat69v2> doing this now let see: > sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[21:34] <webchat69v2> no luck yet
[21:43] <wyre> !pastebinit
[21:44] <wyre> !pastebin
[21:51] <Gallomimia> webchat69, are you seeing any errors yet?
[21:52] <Gallomimia> by the way the instructions on that page for 18.04 has an extra repository added. it's usually unnecessary by today's standards
[22:53] <shoe99> \whois shoe99
[23:13] <jacade> Hello. I'm having a bit of an odd issue and not finding much via google. I have 3 monitors connected via displayport and one of them (always DP-2) turns off in nvidia-settings when I log in. In nvidia-settings I can  turn it back on and reposition and it's fine until my screens go to sleep. Ubuntu 20.04.1, Kernel 5.11.0-38-generic, Nvidia driver
[23:13] <jacade> 495.44 but started a couple weeks ago on 470.x. GTX 1080. I've tried purging and reinstalling my gpu driver, and deleting my xorg.conf and not really had any progress.
[23:25] <sarnold> I wonder if all the folks with multi-monitor problems are nvidia are having the problems because of nvidia, or if only nvidia users do multimonitor things
[23:26] <sarnold> I kinda-sorta do multi-monitor on my intel-gpu laptop, but I just turn off the internal..
[23:30] <Gallomimia> sarnold, i have 3 on my 780Ti. the only real problem i have is with the display-port monitor "talking" to the card, and sometimes failing to link up. the monitor turns off, and the card/pc won't acknowledge it exists. i have to unplug my HDMI and switch to that input, plug it into my DP monitor, get that to turn on, then change input back to DP until it's detected. then reconnect the HDMI to my TV. it is amazingly annoying.
[23:31] <jacade> Ah, yea, I am on a desktop without integrated graphics so it's all through the 1080. I also tried backing up my boot drive and upgrading to 21.10 and it didn't fix it, but Wayland worked ok, but broke other things because Wayland. I also tried doing a fresh install of 21.10 and it worked, so I know something got messed up since I installed (was
[23:31] <jacade> originally 18.04) but I really don't want to go with a fresh installation. :|
[23:32] <Gallomimia> i've had similar problems jacade. when i was upgrading from 14.04 to 16.04, or some such in between. i don't bother upgrading between releases anymore. i started using LVM to plug in a fresh install of new releases.
[23:33] <sarnold> Gallomimia: jeeze that's frustrating
[23:36] <jacade> Gallomimia that's much worse than what I've got going on lol
[23:36] <Gallomimia> well thankfully it only happens rarely. i'm kinda thinking it's because the connection gets loose on the DP cord at the card's back. i've gone thru about 3 cables so far