| marcoagpinto | Heya | 05:30 |
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| TJ- | am I really here or has it been silent for the last 6 hours? | 15:58 |
| leftyfb | looks like 9. hours to me :) | 16:00 |
| PaulW2U | TJ-: I've been here since 11:04 (my time, UTC) and yes this channel has been silent .... | 16:00 |
| hggdh | not anymore ;-) | 16:01 |
| TJ- | thanks! I've had it where SASL wasn't working when the client connected and for registered channels it wasn't obvious they hadn't been joined - just looked rather quiet | 16:01 |
| TJ- | Shhhhhh you rowdy lot :P | 16:01 |
| TJ- | Some people are trying to sleep | 16:01 |
| TJ- | I'm exhausted just wrestling TLS certificate installation for libvirt. Only did it about 3 weeks ago and had to do it again today and couldn't remember how, where, or why! | 16:03 |
| tomreyn | "i'll only need to do this this one time for now, and next time it will work entirely different anyways, so let's not take notes" | 16:06 |
| TJ- | hehehe well yes I keep meaning to deploy a note-taking service but get stuck deciding in which one there are so many, then later I can't find my notes on which note-taking services I've considered | 16:08 |
| TJ- | Just been reading about the malacious hijacking of the npm coa library yesterday; Just cannot understand that dev-ops mentality that relies on just fetching/updating/deploying unvetted code in thay way. Apparently it broke a lot of React 'apps' | 16:11 |
| TJ- | if it hadn't it wouldn't have been noticed | 16:11 |
| tomreyn | apparently, some of what used to be considered fundamentals are no longer being taught at dev and sysop school these days. | 16:13 |
| tomreyn | "no time to learn this concept, need to ship product" :( | 16:14 |
| TJ- | infrastructure becoming much more fragile and accelerating | 16:14 |
| * TJ- nods | 16:14 | |
| TJ- | all devs should have to spend 6 months writing assembler and C at a machine level - without a fundamental understanding of what is going on under the hood they're too darned dangerous to let out without training wheels and bubble-wrap | 16:15 |
| TJ- | 6 months working on security code too | 16:16 |
| TJ- | one of the projects I've been working on this last 18 months is a course for a UK modern apprenticeship that covers all this and more. Aiming to take on the 1st apprentices later next year | 16:17 |
| tomreyn | lovely, i'd send my kids if i had any. ;-) | 16:25 |
| === oerheks_ is now known as oerheks | ||
| cbreak | they have apprenticeships in the UK? | 22:00 |
| cbreak | neat | 22:00 |
| cbreak | I thought that was something that's not very popular outside switzerland | 22:00 |
| === rfm_ is now known as rfm | ||
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