[02:17] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[11:12] <jiggawatt> sarnold: why is ubuntu security team so slow in updates ?
[11:14] <lotuspsychje> jiggawatt: sarnold is afk at the moment
[11:15] <jiggawatt> makes sense
[11:15] <jiggawatt> his whole security team seems afk to be honest lol
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> jiggawatt: what is this about exactly?
[11:15] <jiggawatt> it's about integrity in software
[11:15] <jiggawatt> and dedication to security
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> elaborate please?
[11:16] <jiggawatt> meh
[11:17] <RikMills> jiggawatt: explain why you think that please
[11:17]  * jiggawatt doesn't really want to start a channel war...
[11:18] <RikMills> you have an issue clearly. explaining it is not a 'war'
[11:19] <RikMills> https://ubuntu.com/security/notices
[11:19] <RikMills> the team is clear not afk
[11:19] <RikMills> *clearly
[11:22] <RikMills> security fixes do require time to validate and check though. ubuntu is not some 'hobbyist' distro that can just shove things out 0day. a lot of big players/companies depend on the reliability of our updates
[11:25] <ubuntuboy> when is the next LTS release expected? 
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> april 2022
[11:26] <ubuntuboy> and is it ok to go from non LTS release to LTS release? 
[11:26] <ubuntuboy> i am 21.10
[11:26] <ubuntuboy> *on
[11:26] <RikMills> that upgrade path should work fine
[11:26] <lotuspsychje> the users choice also ubuntuboy, what you think is important for you
[12:14] <ubuntuboy> it depends on stability and consistency over new features and flashy stuff
[12:15] <ubuntuboy> what are your thoughts lotuspsychje ???
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: every user in the ubuntu community has their own purpose to use their fav ubuntu release/flavour
[12:17] <lotuspsychje> currently i run 20.04 on my business NUC, lubuntu 20.04 on an older netbook and 22.04 development branch early for help debugging
[12:17] <ubuntuboy> what are you on?
[12:17] <ubuntuboy> lotuspsychje, ???
[12:18] <ubuntuboy> i tired both manjaro and fedora both had issues with EFI but ubuntu installer zipped thru it
[12:21] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: i think a sane query one should ask oneself is; wich machine will i be installing on, and what will be the machines purpose
[12:23] <ubuntuboy> ok
[12:23] <ubuntuboy> mine is normal day to day use and few games on steam?
[12:23] <lotuspsychje> what kind of hardware inside? laptop or desktop?
[12:24] <ubuntuboy> laptop
[12:25] <ubuntuboy> can i provide a dump? 
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: pastebin inxi -F
[12:26] <amacater_> My thoughts - and I don't use steam. Stick to Ubuntu LTS - so 20.04 [and 22.04 when released] as these get extensive use and testing and you don't gain too much by the interim releases unless you want to try latest and greatest
[12:27] <amacater_> With Ubuntu you get an LTS update every two years guaranteed.
[12:28] <lotuspsychje> amacater_: depends on hardware too, we see a lot of users benefit latest releases with higher kernels on AMD hardware for example
[12:29] <ubuntuboy> why are font so jagged it was fine when i installed it
[12:31] <amacater_> There is always that - Ubuntu has HWE kernels too but in my experience that adds complexity especially if someone is inexperienced and doesn't know which kernels they are running.
[12:34] <jiggawatt> yeah use the non-LTS stuff if you have a newer laptop
[12:34] <ubuntuboy> sudo: pastebin: command not found
[12:34] <jiggawatt> pastebin.com
[12:35] <jiggawatt> lotuspsychje wants the output of `lnxi -F` 
[12:35] <jiggawatt> `inxi -F` 'scuse me
[12:36] <ubuntuboy> https://pastebin.com/SEB2Mjqs
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: on that machine i would go LTS
[12:39] <lotuspsychje> nvidia graphics you should pick the nvidia driver instead of nouveau for gaming
[12:40] <jeremy31> My HP is a year older without Nvidia
[12:40] <ubuntuboy> thanks lotuspsychje 
[12:40] <amacater_> ubuntuboy: Gaming laptop with two video chipsets. It's an interesting one: sometimes the machine decides to use the lower powered chipset, I think. This is a complicating factor - you might want to look at bumblebee? - which is the software to switch between them better.
[12:41] <lotuspsychje> amacater_: bumblebee is an outdated method, its nvidia-prime these days
[12:41] <amacater_> Removing nouveau to install nvidia drivers can also be complex. I've done this (on Debian) lots - I'll leave others to advise.
[12:42] <ubuntuboy> ok
[12:42] <ubuntuboy> then lets wait for LTS release
[12:43] <jeremy31> ubuntuboy: did you have to go into BIOS to the OS Boot menu to get it to use grub at boot after installing?
[12:46] <ubuntuboy> jeremy31, meaning? go to bios for what???
[12:47] <ubuntuboy> jeremy31, for BIOS, its UEFI mode as i dual boot with Win11 for kids
[12:48] <jiggawatt> jeremy31: Do you mean select boot priorities
[12:50] <ubuntuboy> grub is fine it picked up both Windows and Ubuntu and its fine and stable
[12:51] <ubuntuboy> will move to LTS when it comes out 
[12:54] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: are you on xorg or wayland?
[12:54] <ubuntuboy> wayland i think
[12:55] <ubuntuboy> wayland
[12:55] <lotuspsychje> prob not ideal with your nvidia card, not sure whats the current state these days, prob not all nvidia drivers will work properly
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: ubuntu-drivers list, will show you your drivers available, then compare xorg vs wayland performance after you installed a driver
[12:59] <ubuntuboy> ok
[13:00] <amacater_> ubuntuboy: 20.04 is LTS now. 22.04 when it gets here in April 2022 will be LTS
[13:00] <amacater_> But 20.04 will still be supported.
[13:01] <ubuntuboy> i will move off to the next LTS release
[13:43] <jeremy31> ubuntuboy: When I installed on my HP it booted straight into Windows and I had to change the OS Boot menu in the BIOS so it would use ubuntu UEFI rather than auto boot into the Windows boot loader
[13:45] <ubuntuboy> no i didn't had to do that, first i installed Windows, and then Ubuntu, and install saw a Window Boot manager and i asked to install along with it
[13:56] <amacater_> For anyone else in this position: it's almost worth reinstalling Windows to make sure that it's using UEFI: UEFI for one and MBR for the other really don't mix.
[14:05] <jeremy31> For some reason the UEFI implementation in my HP would not allow Ubuntu to make its bootloader the default one.  It worked fine on this Lenovo 
[14:20] <ubuntuboy> ok
[14:20] <ubuntuboy> interesting
[14:27] <jeremy31> It will not allow me to make any changes with efibootmgr in terminal but it doesn't give an error either
[14:37] <ubuntuboy> ok
[14:37] <ubuntuboy> brb
[17:39] <UbuntuBoy> does any have the scope of next LTS release
[17:55] <lotuspsychje> !jammy | UbuntuBoy 
[18:00] <UbuntuBoy> lotuspsychje, thabnks