[00:00] <TJ-> okaaaaa: I have private messages blocked; put support info in the channel where others can share and help
[00:01] <okaaaaa> ok. here is the link to the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1946682 seems like the bug is already "routed" correctly?
[00:02] <okaaaaa> affects:     debian-installer (Ubuntu) → ubiquity (Ubuntu)
[00:02] <nshire> did anyone happen to answer the question from nshirelaptop
[00:03] <nshire> connection died and I don't have a bouncer set up yet
[00:04] <tomreyn> !logs
[00:05] <Bashing-om> nshire: My last was to check and see https://www.vultr.com/docs/force-apt-get-to-ipv4-or-ipv6-on-ubuntu-or-debian - maybe ?
[00:07] <nshire> oh logs, thats good
[00:08] <nshire> Bashing-om, that looks like it will work
[00:08] <nshire> ty
[00:08] <Bashing-om> nshire: :D
[00:08] <axsuul> My NFS network share seems to be a bit slow, with default options it only transfers 100 MB/sec over the internet. Is that pretty typical? Both origin and destination have gigabit internet
[00:10] <sbraz> axsuul: unless you meant Mb/s, you can't really expect a lot more over 1Gbit
[00:10] <axsuul> Gotcha thanks
[00:13] <tomreyn> nshire: i didn't see a clear description of the problem you're trying to solve. is it that on a single system where apt is accessing http://us.archive.ubuntu.com over IPv6, data transfer bandwidth is low?
[00:16] <axsuul> sbraz: actually I believe the transfer rate is 8 MB/sec which sounds more right, not 100 MB/sec. It takes 2 hours to transfer about 50 GB worth of data
[00:16] <axsuul> Feels bottlenecked somewhere
[00:17] <sbraz> axsuul: yeah that's 56 mbit/s, way too little for gbit
[00:17] <sbraz> i'd first try to play with iperf3 between both servers to make sure nfs really is the problem
[00:19] <axsuul> Ah ok thanks
[00:24] <sbraz> axsuul: i have to go, good luck with nfs :)
[00:24] <axsuul> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PWeV9h3g/
[00:24] <sbraz> that's a bit slow indeed yes
[00:24] <axsuul> sbraz: got these results, https://0x0.st/-5jr.txt
[00:24] <axsuul> hmm does this mean something is bottlenecked?
[00:24] <sbraz> try it the other way round too with -R
[00:24] <sbraz> and maybe try to add more connections with -P10
[00:25] <sbraz> but maybe there's just bad peering between both servers
[00:25] <sbraz> i assume those are different ISPs?
[00:25] <axsuul> adding a -R gives me this, interesting: https://0x0.st/-5js.txt
[00:25] <axsuul> yep, different ISPs
[00:26] <sbraz> are those in europe? america? asia? both machines are on the same continent?
[00:26] <axsuul> both in US, one in Utah, the other in Los Angeles
[00:26] <TJ-> okaaaaa: the bug looks fine, it'll likely get picked up for the new 22.04 dev cycle
[00:27] <axsuul> sbraz: thanks for your help if you need to go however
[00:28] <sbraz> axsuul: you could traceroute / mtr and count ore review hops, see where the traffic goes but maybe both ISPs don't really cooperate :P
[00:28] <sbraz> or*
[00:28] <axsuul> yea that sounds maybe it's the issue, the "server" is on a residential ISP, while the "client" is in a datacenter
[00:28] <axsuul> so could be peering
[00:28] <sbraz> in any case i doubt nfs is the problem
[00:29]  * axsuul would putting a CDN in front of it help (such as Cloudflare)?
[00:29] <axsuul> to help with peering, that is
[00:29] <sbraz> i'm off for real, good luck
[00:29] <axsuul> cya!
[00:29] <axsuul> thanks
[00:30] <tomreyn> you could also try tcp vs udp
[00:37] <tomreyn> axsuul: ^ and sec=krb5p might be another option (in case it's a middleware box that's slowing things down), though for encryption you might actually prefer SSHFS.
[00:44] <axsuul> thanks will give that a try
[00:46] <tomreyn> oh and a vpn might be yet another option
[00:47] <tomreyn> either directly between the two hosts or, if you confirm peering to be the problem, through another network
[01:49] <hypo7r7> so im just curious, why is ubuntu so cool?
[01:49] <kj77> hypo7r7: easy install, not windows, very stable
[01:49] <Bashing-om> hypo7r7: The supporting community - cause you can come here and get help :D
[01:51] <hypo7r7> ty guys :D
[02:04] <Jayha> I've got a mac keyboard, it mostly works but a few small niggles, the § and ` keys are switched - how do I re-map them?
[02:06] <Jayha> Other issue is I have no idea how to type the hash character with this keyboard, when plugged into a mac it's alt+3, but that must be a software thing rather than a different keycode.
[02:32] <yukiup> for me its shift+3
[02:51] <Bashing-om> !hwe | VIA
[02:52] <VIA> hmmhh
[02:52] <VIA> thats not helping me t oo much on my mind but ty
[02:53] <Bashing-om> VIA: HWE exists to support newer hardware.
[04:16] <Square> Anyone else having issues with repos?
[04:16] <Square> Err:11 http://ba.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal InRelease
[04:16] <Square>   Cannot initiate the connection to ba.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (2a03:3320:387:c387::20). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) Could not connect to ba.archive.ubuntu.com:80 (85.209.96.20), connection timed out
[04:18] <Square> oh.. nvm. Had my "Download from" set to "Bosnia / Herzegovina"
[04:19] <Bashing-om> Square: \o/
[04:24] <s0mbr4C3123K> hi
[04:24] <s0mbr4C3123K> how can i list all the channels ?
[04:26] <Square> s0mbr4C3123K, "/list"
[04:26] <Bashing-om> s0mbr4C3123K: Don't - the list is in excess of 43,000 channels - will saturate yoyr client. we have a tool to search called ' alis'.
[04:34] <Square> if you install software wo using package managers, where do you put them?
[04:43] <oerheks> software wo using package managers, depends, in the /home/ folder or in /opt/
[04:45] <Square> oerheks, gotcha. I but mine in home/bin
[04:45] <oerheks> So, that is installed on user basis, not system wide
[05:18] <jcbjoe2021> guys im trying to find the total of files i have using find command i did find . \( -iname '2106*.*' \) -exec du -shc {} \; but im not getting the total at the end. am i doing something wrong?
[05:19] <jcbjoe2021> nvm i used + instead of \;
[05:36] <ipatrol> I'm trying to resolve a fan issue
[05:37] <ipatrol> I can control the fans manually with echo, but fancontrol doesn't seem to be able to detect the corresponding sensors
[05:45] <ipatrol> Relevant info: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6hxngYhTdy/
[05:48] <spookley> Nihao
[05:48] <spookley> haha
[06:05] <carnophage2> hi
[06:07] <sadbot> Hi i need help nvenc not working after wake from sleep
[06:12] <sadbot> @nikolam ,i followed your advice and set up btrfs snapshots in new install ,i made snapshot show up in grub boot menu ,so i could just roll back
[07:58] <Firefishe> TJ-: Hey, are you around?
[08:04] <Firefishe> TJ-: For you to read later:  Fix Applied.  System Updating Properly.  Thanks! :-)
[08:04] <ThinkT510> !yay
[08:07] <tommy`> do you know if it's possible in vsftp assign the /home/user/ftp  with a folder located in /home/user2/folder?
[08:31] <no_gravity> Hello! I read that when you install KDE via "apt install kde-plasma-desktop" it comes with applications like a browser, a file manager etc. Why is that? Why not use Firefox and gedit that came with Ubuntu?
[08:33] <ThinkT510> it is a meta-package so it can't assume what you already have installed. someone could have installed it without already having a desktop environment
[08:33] <no_gravity> ThinkT510: Ok, but why is there no package that comes without applications?
[08:34] <ThinkT510> kde is also qt based and firefox and gedit are gtk based
[08:35] <ThinkT510> if you know exactly what you want you can install them separately
[08:35] <no_gravity> ThinkT510: Yes, but how do I get KDE without the applications in the first place.
[08:36] <ThinkT510> by installing the required packages separately
[08:36] <no_gravity> "the required packages"?
[08:36] <ThinkT510> yes, you need to know the package names
[08:37] <no_gravity> I wonder if "apt install kde-plasma-desktop --no-install-recommends" would work.
[08:38] <ThinkT510> depends on what is installed as recommends
[08:38] <no_gravity> How can we find out?
[08:39] <oerheks> 'kde-plasma-desktop' on top of what ubuntu?
[08:39] <oerheks> firefox might already be present .. so i am curious
[08:40] <no_gravity> oerheks: Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS
[08:40] <oerheks> they you would have firefox standard already
[08:40] <no_gravity> oerheks: Yes, I said that ^
[08:40] <oerheks> and "KDE without the applications "  -no-install-recommends?
[08:41] <no_gravity> oerheks: We are talking about exactly that ^
 I wonder if "apt install kde-plasma-desktop --no-install-recommends" would work.
[08:41] <oerheks> oh you answered your own questions
[08:41] <no_gravity> I would not call it an answer.
[08:42] <no_gravity> I can answer if it works it after I tried it :)
[08:42] <ThinkT510> no_gravity: here is the list: https://packages.ubuntu.com/impish/kde-plasma-desktop
[08:42] <oerheks> i would install a desktop side by side, no cruft from other desktops
[08:43] <no_gravity> oerheks: How would you do that?
[08:43] <oerheks> make free space and boot kubuntu
[08:43] <no_gravity> ThinkT510: Wow, the window manager is "recommends"? I would have thought that is the heart of it.
[08:44] <tommy`> to change the home directory for a user it's correct the command usermod -m -d /home/folder1/folder username ?
[08:44] <no_gravity> oerheks: That would mean a completely different distro.
[08:44] <oerheks> that would avoid the change with sddm and gdm and such
[08:45] <no_gravity> oerheks: What is the problem with the change?
[08:46] <oerheks> you will find out :-D
[08:53] <lucius57> ciao
[09:21] <CarlFK> https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/21.10/release/  Raspberry Pi Generic (Hard-Float) preinstalled server image https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/21.10/release/ubuntu-21.10-preinstalled-server-armhf+raspi.img.xz
[09:22] <CarlFK> should that run on a read only media?
[09:25] <toddc> no
[09:30] <CarlFK> ok, I'll stop trying
[09:30] <lotuspsychje> !it | lucius57
[09:31] <lucius57> ok
[10:00] <sanz> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04LTS. I'm used to Synatic package manager. But apt is now the default one. So I'm having and using both randomly and it seems everything is fine. But sometimes I feel there could be conflict between them, as I'm seeing broken dependency in Synaptic more often. Shall I abandon synaptic?
[10:02] <lotuspsychje> sanz: synaptic should not interfere with apt, what kind of conflicts did you notice?
[10:03] <sanz>  I'm seeing broken dependency in Synaptic much more often
[10:03] <sanz> than before
[10:03] <sanz> I've been using ubuntu for 14 years
[10:04] <sanz> just upgraded to 20.04 months ago
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> sanz: dependency issues is when users start to install manual debs or ppa's and then conflict with packages from the repos
[10:04] <lotuspsychje> sanz: maybe you should doublecheck your sources.list ?
[10:05] <KBar> sanz apt has always been the default. synaptic is just a graphical (gtk+) front end to apt
[10:05] <sanz> hmm... right to the point.
[10:06] <KBar> and apt itself is a high-level cli to the more low-leevl dpkg
[10:06] <KBar> they should not cause problems to each other
[10:06] <KBar> you can use both
[10:07] <sanz> sound reasonable. so maybe I should switch to another repos
[10:07] <lotuspsychje> !sources | sanz to check your vanilla ubuntu sources
[10:08] <sanz> tks guys
[10:08] <KBar> sanz perhaps your system didnt upgrade successfully/fully
[10:09] <KBar> now you have broken dependencies, i.e. some packages are stuck in the old version
[10:09] <sanz> KBar: Sorry I did not put it right. I just got a new hardware and had a new installation
[10:10] <sanz> I was using 18.04 before, so I said "upgrade"
[10:10] <KBar> so is that a fresh install or upgrade?
[10:11] <sanz> a fresh one on a new machine
[10:42] <weedmic> there is a button in ?synaptic? (forgot the name) to fix broken dependencies. but it is certainly quick and easy to use (or you can do it with apt-get.
[11:02] <ubuntuboy> hi
[11:07] <ubuntuboy> what is the chit chat channel?
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | ubuntuboy
[11:14] <ubuntuboy> hello lotuspsychje
[11:15] <ubuntuboy> i wonder how can i get old IRC name and psw?
[11:15] <ubuntuboy> or do i need to create a new one for this librenetwork?
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> ubuntuboy: for libera network questions proceed to;
[11:16] <lotuspsychje> !libera
[11:20] <hid3> Hello everyone. I am doing "do-release-upgrade" in non-interactive mode. How do I prevent/exclude a single service from being autorestarted during the upgrade process?
[11:23] <weedmic> do you mean mark a package as "taboo"? hid3
[11:25] <hid3> no... I mean, when the upgrade is going, it automatically restarts some services (for example, upon libc6 upgrade, if memory serves me right). Among that service is 'supervisorctl', which in turn launches other applications, some of which consume CPU and perform disk intensive activities, which slows down the upgrade process by a lot
[11:25] <hid3> so in this case, I want to somehow prevent 'supervisor' be restarted during upgrade
[11:31] <coz_> good morning
[12:32] <gnask> Anyone got WoW Classic to work with Lutrix nowadays ?
[12:32] <gnask> Im just getting a black screen (with sound)
[12:54] <Kilroy> how do you set the time on ubuntu server 20.04
[12:55] <TJ-> Kilroy:  "date --set=..."
[12:55] <TJ-> Kilroy: although usually its done automatically using NTP
[12:55] <Kilroy> how do you do that?
[12:56] <TJ-> do what?
[12:56] <Kilroy> set it to use NTP
[12:56] <Kilroy> b/c DST ended and my server did not update
[12:56] <TJ-> there's a service, check it "systemctl status systemd-timesyncd.service"
[12:57] <TJ-> that's more likely a locale/timezone issue. NTP always uses UTC
[12:58] <Kilroy> there we go
[12:58] <Kilroy> thank you TJ-
[12:59] <TJ-> "date +%Z" will report the current timezone
[13:38] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[13:43] <ubuntuboy> BluesKaj, hello
[13:43] <BluesKaj> hi ubuntuboy
[13:43] <ubuntuboy> are you on anyother chitchat channel?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> yeah, #kubuntu-offtopic
[15:22] <nessub> Bonjour
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> !fr | nessub
[15:23] <nessub>  /join #ubuntu-fr
[15:23] <lotuspsychje> you can also ask your english question here nessub
[15:24] <nessub> merci
[15:26] <Guest2900> Hey,  i got an issue with ubuntu 20.04  It seems my grub doesn't update to the newer kernels.
[15:26] <Guest2900> running grub-update only detects the old one. Yet the files are present in /boot
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Guest2900: did you sudo update-grub ?
[15:27] <Guest2900> As stated, yes i did
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> Guest2900: what gives uname -a ?
[15:28] <Guest2900> just my old default kernel it installed with. I do have to note its a custom setup
[15:28] <EriC^^> Guest2900: is it on a vps?
[15:28] <Guest2900> running root zfs with a seperate /boot partition on 1 disk
[15:28] <Guest2900> EriC^^ private server
[15:29] <EriC^^> Guest2900: type "(ls -l /boot; uname -r; cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg) | nc termbin.com 9999" and paste the link it gives you here
[15:31] <Guest2900> https://termbin.com/06fj
[15:32] <EriC^^> none of your kernels are actually being used right now
[15:32] <Guest2900> i know. That's why i find it weird :/
[15:32] <EriC^^> you're running 5.4.0-21 and you only have 5.4.0-89 in /boot
[15:33] <Guest2900> yup
[15:33] <Guest2900> can't figure out why
[15:33] <EriC^^> it must be the setup, some vps servers use a standard kernel and you cant update via ubuntu, something to do with virtualization tech, no idea about the specifics though
[15:33] <Guest2900> I'm not running a vps
[15:34] <EriC^^> are you running this on your baremetal pc? standard ubuntu install?
[15:34] <Guest2900> baremetal server
[15:34] <Guest2900> ubuntu 20.04 lts.  with zfs root and seperate /boot partition
[15:34] <lotuspsychje> Guest2900: apt spitting out errors on update/upgrade ?
[15:34] <Guest2900> apt working like it should
[15:35] <EriC^^> Guest2900: what's the output of "df -h /boot" ?
[15:35] <Guest2900> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[15:35] <Guest2900> silo/root        26T  276G   25T   2% /
[15:36] <EriC^^> shouldn't it be something with "/boot" or something?
[15:36] <EriC^^> clueless on zfs here
[15:36] <EriC^^> maybe the separate /boot isnt being mounted
[15:37] <Guest2900> https://termbin.com/0b2d
[15:37] <Guest2900> that's the fstab
[15:37] <EriC^^> Guest2900: try "sudo mount /boot"
[15:38] <Guest2900> hmmm that's giving my wrong fs type bad superblock
[15:39] <EriC^^> Guest2900: try 'sudo blkid | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:40] <Guest2900> fdisk info https://termbin.com/lcnv
[15:40] <Guest2900> https://termbin.com/d3j9
[15:40] <Guest2900> blkid
[15:41] <EriC^^> Guest2900: looks ok, try sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /boot
[15:42] <EriC^^> the odd thing is that if it's corrupted how's it using the 21 kernel there
[15:42] <Guest2900> ok that mount worked and show the old kernels
[15:42] <EriC^^> ok cool
[15:43] <EriC^^> try sudo umount /boot
[15:43] <Guest2900> so for some reason it doesn't mount my boot in the linux itself lol
[15:43] <EriC^^> then try replacing in fstab the /boot line
[15:43] <EriC^^> try using UUID=7cf4b4ec-4cb0-44f8-99b0-b1701f6859ab /boot ext4 defaults 0 0
[15:44] <EriC^^> perhaps
[15:44] <EriC^^> then try "sudo mount /boot" again
[15:49] <Guest2900> still getting that wrong fs type
[15:50] <Guest2900> nvm its the properties that are wrong for ext4
[15:51] <nessub> bonjour
[16:04] <nessub> bonjour je suis perdu...j'essaie de me connecter sur un réseau de discussion en français
[16:08] <Guest2900> #ubuntu-fr pour le groupe francophone
[16:09] <nessub> hello I'm lost... I'm trying to connect to a French chat network
[16:09] <nessub> merci guest
[17:20] <Nitrigaur> Good evening. I'm trying to manage my ubuntu 21.10 install using ansible 2.7.7 on a Debian 10 server(debian std. version via apt). When I try to run apt via ansible, I run into the issue that python-apt is no longer available on 21.10. Anyone else running into this issue?
[17:25] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: python3-apt
[17:26] <Nitrigaur> TJ- , ^ python3-apt is already the newest version (2.2.1).
[17:28] <TJ-> Nitrigaur: the point is 21.10 no longer has python-apt, only python3-apt
[17:29] <leftyfb> Nitrigaur: maybe try #ansible. Sounds like you might have an outdated playbook
[17:29] <Nitrigaur> leftyfb, not so much outdated playbook, but outdated ansible-version in a way...
[17:30] <Nitrigaur> leftyfb, even though it's the latest version supplied by debian.
[17:31] <UbuntuBoy> what is the channel for discussion and chit chat?
[17:32] <leftyfb> UbuntuBoy: you mean #ubuntu-discuss that you chatted in for 3 hours today?
[17:33] <UbuntuBoy> leftyfb, yes
[17:33] <UbuntuBoy> done leftyfb thanks
[17:37] <UbuntuBoy> their is one more channel for off topic dicussions
[17:37] <UbuntuBoy> ubuntu oftopic
[18:05] <RobertGlick[m]> Test
[18:06] <leftyfb> RobertGlick[m]: there is an almost infinite number of channels for testing an IRC client. Feel free to /join #libera as a good place to get help with IRC
[18:07] <RobertGlick[m]> Thanks will do
[18:24] <avamax> Hey its me Ava Max
[18:26] <morganu> I want to compare zoom in windows to ubu-zoom.  doing VM for the first time. What version of Windows10 iso do I download?
[18:27] <vaio> iirc only choice you have when dl'inf win10 iso is about language
[18:27] <vaio> dl'ing*
[18:37] <UbuntuBoy> avamax
[19:00] <bob518> My laptop doesn't wakeup after suspend or only shows cursor on top left corner. It was solved before when I switched graphics driver. I problem is back and didn't work when I switched the driver. What can I do?
[19:12] <bob518> Anybody know how to solve this issue?
[19:35] <cbreak> bob518: does it help to switch between TTYs?
[19:35] <cbreak> ctrl-alt-fX, for different F keys?
[19:36] <cbreak> (I think the GUI should be on F1, or F7, not sure if it's always the same)
[19:48] <bob518> cbreak OK I'll try doing suspend again
[19:52] <bob518> cbreak that didn't help. It showed a cursor at the top left corner but nothing. Then I did hard reboot.
[19:52] <bob518> *had to do hard reboot
[19:52] <foehammer> What is your problem bob518
[19:55] <bob518> foehammer I can't resume my laptop after suspend, its stuck with a blank screen and a cursor at the top left corner.
[20:00] <cbreak> bob518: so switching to an other TTY didn't give you a login prompt?
[20:01] <bob518> cbreak as you told I did ctrl alt f1.... but it didn't work if that's what you mean
[20:02] <cbreak> no, F1 is to go back
[20:02] <cbreak> you should switch to some other TTY (like 4 or what ever), then switch back to F1
[20:02] <bob518> I did f1, f2 and all of them. Didn't work
[20:02] <cbreak> hmm :/
[20:17] <TJ-> bob518: when you switch to another TTY sometimes you need to tap a key to wake up the getty and have login run, which then prompts for a username
[20:19] <bob518> TJ- I did. It's still stuck with the cursor
[20:19] <TJ-> bob518: is the system using a Nvidia GPU?
[20:20] <bob518> TJ- yes
[20:21] <TJ-> bob518: that could be the issue - I know at times in the past it wouldn't show TTYs and there'd just be the flashing cursor you describe. I've not messed with the Nvidia drivers in years, they're just too much trouble :)
[20:22] <bob518> TJ- so there's no solution? It was working fine just couple of days ago.
[20:23] <TJ-> bob518: well there should be of course, but finding it...! there's the problem
[20:34] <diniwed> tomreyn: I removed the apt/snap version of chromium that comes with ubuntu and installed 95.0 from flathub (stable) ... found the .desktop file and added the -features ozone flags and everything looks good
[20:35] <diniwed> tomreyn: as I was in the middle of something I lost the link you provided last night...
[20:35] <diniwed> tomreyn: do you still have it handy by any chance?
[20:38] <TJ-> 23:50 <tomreyn> diniwed: https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium-debian should probably work
[20:43] <diniwed[m]> Ah thanks... not familiar with the element.io web interface and was unable to find it again
[20:43] <diniwed[m]> I did find the ungoogled version on flathub and installed but it did not recognize the
[20:44] <diniwed[m]> didn't the recognize the ozone flags.
[20:49] <deksar> type in your terminal:
[20:49] <deksar> ssh ssh.chat
[21:30] <tomreyn> !logs | diniwed
[21:33] <tomreyn> !ot | deksar: nice technology POC, but
[21:35] <deksar> Sorry. Here comes my question: Planning to move a box of mine, from CentOS to Ubuntu. That'll only run: nginx, php, mysql server and nothing else. A webserver. Should I run Ubuntu or Ubuntu-Server? Do they differ a lot, when it comes to finding packages?
[21:38] <Fault> deksar: you probably want Server then, it just doesn't include any of the desktop stuff which you wouldn't need for that deployment anyway
[21:39] <deksar> Fault: Thank you. 2nd: How easy it is, to update system and fetch/install security packages on Ubuntu Server? Under FreeBSD, I use freebsd-update fetch install, and under OpenBSD, a "syspatch" command is enough to do it.
[21:40] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[21:40] <Fault> deksar: very easy, same procedure but just a different set of commands 🙂
[21:42] <diniwed> tomreynk, ubottu : thanks couldn't find them
[21:42] <deksar> Fault: Great! An example?
[21:42] <Fault> deksar: tomreyn just induced the bot to show you
[21:42] <Fault> !uptodate
[21:53] <deksar> Fault: These are just upgrading the installed packages, right? How about the system patches itself?
[21:54] <deksar> like kernel fixes, patches and os updates
[21:55] <Fault> !upgrades
[21:55] <Fault> !security
[21:55] <deksar> !server
[21:56] <deksar> Fault: For how many years will the latest Ubuntu-Server version be supported?
[21:58] <Fault> same as the mainline version I believe
[21:59] <Bashing-om> !esm | dek
[22:02] <tomreyn> deksar: there are LTS (long term support(ed)) releases, the latest is 20.04 LTS (from 04 of 2020, thus the name). they have 5 years of public support, and you can andd another 5 with ESM (see above). those are suually what you'd want on a server. there are also intermediate / normal releases, those get 9 months of support only.
[22:03] <tomreyn> there is also the #ubuntu-server channel here.
[22:04] <deksar> Yeah, I'm there right now. Thank you very much guys, for truly useful info and links. Got tons to read. :) <3
[22:06] <deksar> Quick question: Why did Ubuntu need to have two different SERVER versions? Ubuntu Server 20.04.3 LTS and 21.10 (only 9 months of support)? I mean, when it comes to "server" thing, having the later one seems unusual. Where do these versions actually differ in terms of packages and OS itself?
[22:08] <ravage> in general the server versions are the same as the desktop version with the same name. there is a server kernel and a server install
[22:09] <tomreyn> server kernel?
[22:09] <ravage> you can turn any server install into a desktop installation with a few commands
[22:09] <ravage> there used to be one
[22:09] <ravage> did they get rid of it? :D
[22:09] <ravage> i never used itg
[22:10] <ravage> ok. my bad. no kernel. so we are down to the "fancy" server installer i dont like :D
[22:10] <tomreyn> there are ones for public clouds, and a kernel package for vm's, i think (but i think that also uses the default kernel)
[22:10] <Fault> deksar: even-numbered versions(/years) are LTS releases, odd are not. Hence the differing support durations.
[22:11] <deksar> great tips :) thanks.
[22:11] <Fault> 👍
[22:12] <ravage> my personal opinion is to keep your servers on LTS unless you need some new fancy stuff only provided in the versions between
[22:12] <Bashing-om> ^^ and now Intel CPUs: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ubuntu-Intel-IoT-Optimized .
[22:13] <ravage> oh and there is #ubuntu-server for more support about it :)
[22:13] <deksar> "unless you need some new fancy stuff " <- oh, that's me, an OpenBSD guy -> disabled everything by the default. Keyboard barely types :P - no HT neither on CPU.
[22:15] <deksar> Going to try Ubuntu-Server. I hope it comes with nothing by the default. I'm an analogue, manual guy. Love to add what I need, one-by-one, myself.
[22:15] <ravage> you get systemd :P
[22:16] <deksar> Really? Systemd still alive on Ubuntu by the default?
[22:16] <ravage> i dont see that to change in the near future
[22:16] <cbreak> is there any serious alternative?
[22:16] <cbreak> I don't think so.
[22:16] <deksar> cbreak: There was a Linux distro, everything was manual..
[22:17] <cbreak> yeah. and it sucked.
[22:17] <ravage> well. thats not ubuntu for sure
[22:17] <deksar> well, I mean, every single thing. from formatting, to partitioning.
[22:17] <deksar> forgot its name
[22:17] <cbreak> ubuntu's just so much nicer to work with
[22:17] <cbreak> you are talking about LFS probably
[22:17] <deksar> nope
[22:17] <deksar> a distro
[22:18] <ravage> there are a few. but nothing with a serious number of installations really
[22:18] <deksar> Arch Linux
[22:18] <ravage> uses systemd
[22:52] <Aavar> Debian?
[22:52] <oerheks> wrong channel, try #debian
[22:53] <Aavar> lol ;)
[23:09] <Nik> Hey guys! I did the big stupid and now my laptop is not booting. :/ Had a Win 10 install on a laptop, partitioned the SSD, added a Linux (Ubuntu Desktop 20.04) install onto that, it came with its own boot menu that allowed me to select which system to boot to. In a stroke of extraordinary genius I deleted the Linux partition while working on Windows (because I thought I didn't need it anymore). Now it only boots to some sort of grub CLI.
[23:09] <Nik> Anything I can do to boot to my Windows partition?
[23:10] <oerheks> boot the ubuntu iso again, and set the boot flag on windows ... or boot windows iso, and choose repair
[23:11] <Nik> Alright, let me try that. Thank you
[23:12] <oerheks> small howto; https://www.techwalla.com/articles/how-to-make-a-partition-bootable-with-diskpart
[23:13] <Nik> So I can do that from any lightweight Linux system as long as it has a CLI, does not need to be the original Ubuntu installer?
[23:13] <Nik> Because I think I don't have any thumb drives large enough for a full Ubuntu Desktop iso at hand right now
[23:13] <oerheks> yes
[23:14] <Nik> Alright, thank you again
[23:14] <oerheks> or alternatively your windows iso
[23:15] <Nik> I don't know if there is supposed to be a built in one, but the thumb drive is not large enough for a Windows iso either
[23:15] <Nik> 4 GB
[23:27] <jhutchins> Anybody have a good CLI speedtest?  Maybe LAN host to host, or just Internet.
[23:28] <oerheks> !info speedtest-cli
[23:29] <oerheks> speedtest -L # for the nearest server
[23:29] <oerheks> speedtest -s <id>
[23:32] <genius3000> !info iperf3
[23:32] <oerheks> that is an good oldie too
[23:32] <genius3000> I find that works well for LAN, there's also some internet servers still available.
[23:49] <tripleb> hello again
[23:51] <jhutchins> oerheks: Python error.
[23:53] <jhutchins> https://paste.debian.net/1218612
[23:54] <jhutchins> genius3000: Suggested target?
[23:55] <jhutchins> genius3000: I guess I can run the client on one host, the server on another for local testing, that might help...