[00:01] !info python3 | focal [00:01] focal: python3 (3.9.4-1build1, impish): interactive high-level object-oriented language (default python3 version). In component main, is important. Built by python3-defaults. Size 23 kB / 89 kB [00:27] where's the detect displays button [00:29] oh. apparently all i needed to do was "wiggle it. just a little bit" === M4he is now known as mahe [02:24] using sxhkd 0.5.8 i bind super+a to a command, it properly executes, but the active window also receives the "a" keystroke [02:25] is this the normal behavior? [02:40] Hello? I'm new to XChat [02:40] Can anyone help me? [02:41] Hello? === Jason-KR_ is now known as Jason-KR === qa6_ is now known as qa6 [02:42] https://dontasktoask.com/ [02:44] Hello? === eric_ is now known as EnigmaNamaste [02:46] Hello? [02:46] ¿hola? [02:47] Howdy [02:47] Howdy Kel [02:47] I'm new to this just now... ?? [02:55] Namaste _/|\_ I'm new to IRC Can anyone help or chat with me? [02:55] Hello? [02:55] hi [02:56] !ask | EnigmaNamaste [02:56] EnigmaNamaste: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [02:56] EnigmaNamaste: Tou ar in the Ubuntu support channel - How may we help ? [02:56] You are in ** :( [02:57] Hi This is my first time in XChat... I'm hungry to find chat again like in the day when I chatted in yahoo chat... So I'm learning.. Please be patient. [02:59] I'm new to this and working my way through the settings etc... and trying to find topical chats or "rooms/channels" to join. [03:00] I found the "help" site now... xchat.org/docs... that will help I'm sure :-) [03:04] EnigmaNamaste: Reading is allways good :) ,,, finding channels here on libera, there is a service, alis, to aid. See the result from ' msg alis help list ' from your client status window. [03:05] !xchat | EnigmaNamaste see also [03:05] EnigmaNamaste see also: xchat and xchat-gnome are old IRC clients which are not actively maintained outside of Ubuntu/Debian. Some versions of Ubuntu do not include them. Please strongly consider using hexchat instead, which has good upstream support and is widely recommended by the IRC community over xchat and xchat-gnome. [03:09] Hello [03:09] Do people actually use this ? [03:09] tim_, By actually use this, what do you mean? [03:09] Like use HexChat [03:09] Why would anyone use this thing in the era of DiscorD? [03:10] I just stumbled on it on a whim [03:10] tim_: This is an ubuntu support channel. Free free to /join #libera to random chat [03:10] Oh sorry === klausfiend1 is now known as klausfiend === ^wuseman is now known as Guest5461 === Agent is now known as ^I === ^I is now known as ^A [06:12] hello [06:13] hi [06:14] hello [06:14] !ask | webchat39 [06:14] webchat39: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience === Guest6708 is now known as Daniel [06:15] how do i install wifi driver in ubuntu 20.04. [06:16] Ubuntu 20.04 already has a lot of drivers included. if your wifi does not work you have to tell us which wifi chipset your use [06:16] realtek [06:17] webchat39: realtek should work but these instrutions will guide you to the correct chipset https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [06:18] i tried but it didn't work [06:19] you can send the output of "lspci > /tmp/drivers; lsusb >> /tmp/drivers; cat /tmp/drivers | nc termbin.com 9999" here if you want [06:19] will tell which one you have [06:20] hello? [06:20] webchat39: also "uname -a" is helpful [06:21] realtek wifi driver === krabador is now known as Guest4820 [06:21] step by step process to install [06:21] webchat39: we need the requested information+ [06:22] information ?? [06:22] send the output of "lspci > /tmp/drivers; lsusb >> /tmp/drivers; cat /tmp/drivers | nc termbin.com 9999" [06:23] and also of "uname -a" === ^A is now known as Agent [06:49] I have run the following commands and my LAN hosts cannot access anything beyond the gateway: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/76d50b39 [06:49] What am I doing wrong here? === diskin is now known as Guest994 === diskin_ is now known as diskin [07:00] Is it possible to run a npm package locally? I have found a JS app in github and can easily install it by `npm install app` but I can not and do not know how to run it e.g. as a localhost server or something. I tried something like `npx app` or `npm run app` or `npm exec app` but those seems doesn't work. It seems it's intended to be embeded in a HTML project, is there a way generally to locally [07:00] run a JS app? [07:04] qskwood: check the output of route [07:06] mw_, https://paste.debian.net/plainh/33fbd2ab [07:06] That's the gateway [07:09] so the machine itself can reach outside? [07:09] dunno, maybe you have some other firewall rules set up [07:09] Yeah the kernel has a dev route for IPv6 hosts beyond its LAN subnet [07:11] https://paste.debian.net/plainh/3008038e [07:11] Nothing I'm aware of [07:13] sorry, it was a long ago i messed with iptables, have no idea.. is the RELATED,ESTABLISHED rule supposed to be in the filter chain rather than nat? [07:14] Yeah I believe so [07:17] iptables -L or iptables -L -tnat might tell you more, also there is a route (not ip route) command with slightly different output [07:18] both IPv4 tables are empty [07:19] route isn't included with Ubuntu by default since the suite has been deprecated for years [07:23] i meant ip6tables -L [07:23] Ah well all that is already in that pastebin [07:27] you seem to be already way ahead of me, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [07:28] How can you get secure boot to work on nvidia [07:28] On my pc I hit "enroll keys" and reboot a d Nvidia driver doesn't load [07:28] So I uninstalled Ubuntu MATE 20.04 [07:29] Because I wonder if I could get it to work by looking at the secure boot modes on my pc [07:29] There's a user, deployed/deployment, setup, and audit mode [07:30] I tried setup and no password prompt on installation to signify secure boot is used [07:30] Aaaaaagh [07:30] I even tried manually adding the mok.der key to the certificate collection and it failed === pah is now known as pa [07:36] I realize maybe I shouldn't touch the modes [07:36] Damn it [07:38] RoundDuckKira: secure boot shouldn't need a password [07:38] it should need the boot process to be signed by microsoft, or similar [07:38] What's with the "create a password" thing when you pick the install proprietary stuffs button tho [07:39] Usually because of *cough* Nvidia *cough* [07:39] linux abi is unstable unfortunately [07:39] so external drivers have to be rebuilt with every kernel update, via dkms or similar [07:40] so maybe that's for code signing? [07:40] and Linux is monolithic [07:40] Yeah it's to sign those drivers I think [07:40] And the initramfs? [07:41] Yeah by default Ubuntu works put of the box but Nvidia puts a monkey wrench into things [07:41] *out of the box on secure boot [07:42] The good news is that on many stuff, the default stuff mok manager does when this happens works pretty well [07:42] ...but on my Lenovo desktop it doesn't. [07:43] ._. [07:43] Hm. [07:44] I did a `tcpdump -i ens33 icmp6` on the gateway and tried doing tracert on a LAN machine. [07:44] The gateway never gets pinged [07:44] I don't get it, it's the default IPv6 gateway for that LAN machine [08:01] Is there any difference on Nginx and PHP performance between Linux distros? Let's say CentOS vs Ubuntu? [08:08] hello how do i install wifi driver in ubuntu [08:09] shanmukh: it will depend on which chipset you have... best option would be to goolge it ... [08:09] yeah..!! i have realtek driver [08:10] deksar: never saw such a difference... it will depend on the size of your hardware/VM ... and how you configure your webserver for optimal performance [08:10] but iam new to ubuntu how do i install i want to know process [08:10] shanmukh, what WiFi card? [08:10] realtek driver [08:10] what WiFi card [08:10] there are a million Realtek drivers [08:11] shanmukh: https://bfy.tw/RyXb [08:11] i dont know exactly [08:13] let me installation process [08:13] know the process [08:13] There's no way for us to know what driver you need without knowing what WiFi card you have. [08:14] That's like asking us what kind of oil you need for your car while refusing to go out and read the model number off the bumper. [08:14] Is it a USB card or a PCIe card? [08:16] What's up with the firewall UFW? Apparently when it's enabled, it blocks inbound traffic and allows inbound traffic. Yet when I enable it I can't make a PPTP connection. [08:17] I got disconnected [08:17] So, what's up with the firewall UFW? Apparently when it's enabled, it blocks inbound traffic and allows inbound traffic, yet when I enable it I can't make a PPTP connection. [08:18] You don't really need to repeat the question 76 seconds later, even if you get disconnected [08:19] OH FFS sorry. Let me write that again. I am at the park on my POS smartphone [08:19] I assume you mean it blocks inbound and allows outbound [08:20] So re. the firewall UFW... Apparently when it's enabled, it blocks inbound traffic and allows outbound traffic, yet when I enable it I can't make a PPTP connection. [08:20] Did you enable PPTP through the firewall? [08:20] Yeah man that's it [08:20] ... anyway [08:21] You need to do one of two things, enable the conntrack module (maybe) for PPTP or enable the protocol through your firewall [08:21] I enabled it's port and port 47. The server receives the connection and then it says its waiting for some config and then times out [08:22] Did you reload your firewall after adding the rule? [08:22] I tried contrakk. It didn't work. If I disable UFW, everything is fine. :/ [08:23] Yep [08:23] (wild suggestion here, have you considered using a different VPN protocol?) [08:24] PPTP only uses TCP [08:24] You can set OpenVPN to use TCP only to [08:25] The VPN is not he problem though, its UFW [08:25] only really version differences [08:25] OpenVPN doesn't work [08:25] eg: if version 7.1 is %50 faster than version 7.0 then yes [08:25] You're probably right, I'm just saying PPTP is horrendous [08:25] oops, sorry [08:25] If you're unable to switch that's fine [08:25] hello how do i install wlan driver [08:26] but if you were just starting this project I'd recommend switching [08:26] It's the only VPN application that works [08:26] shanmukh, did you see my previous reply? [08:26] yes [08:26] What type of WiFi card do you have, PCIe or USB? [08:26] USB [08:27] qskwood: Me? [08:27] Pastebin the output of `lsusb` [08:27] pskwood are ou talking to me? [08:28] no [08:28] yes multiple devices showing [08:29] I have 50MB of data left. (I am from Australia, we are backwards). I'll return later. Bye [08:29] Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0bda:f179 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. 802.11n [08:31] qskwood reply me [08:31] It looks like you need the rtl8188fu driver [08:32] testing [08:33] qskwood yes [08:34] Is ZFS supported by Ubuntu? [08:34] qskwood no i think it is rtl8188EUS [08:35] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kelebek333/kablosuz then update and install rtl8188eus-dkms [08:35] what shoud i do with that text qskwood [08:36] Read up on package management in Ubuntu [08:36] should i paste it in terminal [08:36] Not if you have no idea what it does, as a rule. [08:37] okk can you tell step by step to install [08:37] I'm not going to do that. [08:37] You can do some research on your own. [08:38] yes i did but could not find [08:38] This is literally a situation where you could have Google searched your question verbatim and received the same information on page one. [08:38] "how to install PPA Ubuntu" and "how to use apt Ubuntu" [08:40] i hope you can help me [08:40] I already have. === javaJake_ is now known as javaJake [09:24] gm [09:32] I found the solution to my Nvidia secure boot issue [09:33] Just needed to enable deployment mode on my lenovo desktop [09:33] Then install and use mok manager === SysGh_st is now known as SysGhost [09:56] Hi, anybody here? [09:57] yah [10:14] This channel needs an AI chatbot that responds to stuff like that [10:18] Is ZFS supported by Ubuntu? [10:19] hi, I have a question on how to install Ubuntu on a USB flash drive. [10:20] (attached to a Fedora 33 machine) [10:21] when I try 'Try Ubuntu without installing', I get a warning that : [10:21] WARNING: This will destroy all data on any partitions you have removed as well as on the partitions that are going to be formatted. [10:21] The partition tables of the following devices are changed: [10:21] SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sdc) [10:21] The following partitions are going to be formatted: [10:22] LVM VG fedora, LV swap as swap <<<<< partition #1 of SCSI4 (0,0,0) (sdc) as ext4 === tolecnal_ is now known as tolecnal [10:52] Is there a command in 20.04 LTS to see open ports, like 'netstat -a' in Windows or what ever it is? [10:54] Look's like I'll be installing net-tools then... [10:57] ss [10:58] net-tools has been deprecated for a decade nwo [10:58] there's almost never a reason to install it [10:58] https://support.f5.com/csp/article/K13986052 [10:59] or https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/attachments/rh_ip_command_cheatsheet_1214_jcs_print.pdf [11:11] wait, netstat is deprecated? lol === o is now known as niko [11:32] yeah, it's ss now [11:33] klausfiend: together with ifconfig (ip now) [11:33] oh, nvm. [11:33] although some still install the old ones and use them [11:33] Thanks for all of that info people. I will check it out soon [11:34] My POS computer is busy [11:43] is there any rss reader in which i can push desktop notifications for new items from specific feeds i choose? i could script something like that, but i'm wondering if it's any existing solution [11:49] Thanks for those links about ss replacing netstat [11:49] klausfiend, https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/03/msg00780.html [11:50] TL;DR The process began in early 2009 [11:51] Is it just me or does the man page for 'ip' suck? It says there is the option '-a' but when I use it like 'ip -a' it doesn't work, but 'ip a' does. [11:51] They're completely different arguments [11:51] Let me see...... [11:51] -a iterates your command over all objects available [11:52] Yes I see. I can't find anything for just 'a' though.. [11:53] That's because "a" isn't really a command [11:53] ip is just smart enough to infer what you mean [11:53] It is, 'ip' and 'ip a' produce different results [11:53] `ip a` will work [11:53] so will `ip addr` [11:54] The man page just sucks. [11:54] so will `ip addres` (missing an s) [11:54] The man page is fine [11:54] If it was fine, 'a' would be defined. It's not. [11:54] It is defined [11:54] the command is `address` [11:54] you are simply free to abbreviate it [11:54] There is no "a" command [11:54] No, it's not documented. [11:54] It's documented fine [11:54] If there was no command, it wouldn't work. [11:54] Where is it documented? [11:55] It is a command, you are simply free to abbreviate it [11:55] It's a pretty common concept [11:55] see Cisco IOS for example [11:55] Not to me. [11:55] as long as what you type isn't ambiguous the program will assume what you're trying to do [11:55] Dangerous [11:55] It's not dangerous at all [11:56] If you want to use the full object you still can [11:56] LOL I wouldn't like 'rm' to assume what I am trying to do. [11:56] That's not an apples to apples comparison [11:57] Each of the iproute2 object names can be shortened to the shortest unique set of characters. This means that ip route show can be abbreviated ip ro s and ip rule show can be abbreviated ip ru s. Also ip address show can be ip a s. [11:58] The assumption is the user knows that know. [11:58] No it's not [11:58] the documentation clearly uses full object names [11:58] Nowhere does the man page suggest you abbreviate [11:58] it's an advanced usage. [11:58] I didn't even know there was an object. [11:58] You'd know if you ran `ip` with no arguments [11:59] it clearly tells you "Usage: ip [ OPTIONS ] OBJECT { COMMAND | help }" [11:59] object is the only mandatory argument [11:59] I just ran it and see the word address, but what the function doesn't is not explained. [11:59] Sure it does [12:00] address is the object, the commands are listed in the next section of the man page [12:00] Yes [12:00] I got lucky, 'ip a' worked how I wanted it to anyway. [12:00] My planets are aligning [12:00] LMFAO [12:02] Thanks for that clarification [12:06] So I have a service 'pptpd' running, a VPN server. I don't suppose anyone knows how I can use 'ss' to confirm which ports it is using? 'ss -a' gives me a life story. [12:09] All good [12:11] God they could have designed 'ss' better. Line breaks aren't a bad thing! [12:14] BRB [12:15] hallo [12:20] Is there a way to search a man page for a string of text? [12:22] Can port GRE be added to UFW? [12:22] I mean, to allow port GRE. [12:31] Kolusion press / [12:31] Then type your string. [12:31] it's case-sensitive [12:32] Thanks KBar [12:32] So I have a PPTP VPN server and a PPTP VPN client. The PPTP server uses port 1723 and GRE. The client's computer has a UFW firewall. When the firewall is disabled, the client connect fine. When it is enabled, it starts the connection to the server, but then then the connection times out after 30 seconds. The server reports "LCP: timeout sending [12:32] Config-Requests". I suspect this has something to do with GRE and UFW on the client side. Anyone know how to fix this? [12:33] Kolusion use n to go forward and N (shift+n) to go backwards [12:33] man is using the default pager which is generally 'less' [12:33] Kolusion "?" (shift+/) will search the document backwards [12:34] To see listening TCP sockets, you use `ss -l` [12:35] Kolusion searching for gre is ufw's manpage, this is the 4th result: ufw allow in on eth0 to 192.168.0.1 proto gre [12:35] This will allow all gre traffic to 192.168.0.1 on the eth0 interface. [12:35] *in ufw's [12:36] KBAR, yes I saw that. I was hoping for an easier answer. I will try it now. [12:37] On the server end you can include "silent" in /etc/ppp/options [12:37] qskwood. Cool. What does that do? [12:38] One source quotes: "With this option, pppd will not transmit LCP packets to initiate a connection until a valid LCP packet is received from the peer (as for the "passive" option with old versions of pppd)." [12:38] SWEET - AS [12:38] Other suggestions include loading the conntrack module on the server. [12:39] That doesn't work; tried it. [12:39] nf_conntrack_pptp should pull in nf_conntrack_gre [12:39] if it doesn't it may be worth manually doing it [12:39] nf_conntrack_gre doesn't exist in 20.04 LTS. [12:39] AH [12:39] Obselete apparently I read. [12:40] No one likes PPTP LOL [12:40] Well it's a pretty bad protocol [12:40] Yeah [12:40] "it's the only one that works" is usually not true for deprecated stuff [12:41] at least not years after deprecation [12:41] I am using it with application end-to-end encryption, so it's broken ciphers don't bother me. [12:41] I tried every other VPN server software out there, none of them worked. [12:41] deprecated generally means something better replaced it [12:41] or more like "something we think is better" [12:41] "none of them worked" [12:41] in what way did they not work? [12:42] ah, pretty sure that means "none of them worked *FOR YOU*" [12:42] In, I followed the documentation on how to set it up and it didn't work. [12:42] Yeah that doesn't really mean a bad solution is the next logical step [12:42] It means fixing what's breaking is the next logical step [12:43] (because now you're fixing what's breaking AND using a bad solution both) [12:43] ah. it's pretty safe to assume the VPN software's manuals are both hard to understand and difficult to complete [12:43] more safe to understand there's a disconnect between the manual and the user than the software and your hardware. [12:44] The one I read is wrong in instructions and stylised hopelessly. [12:44] https://openvpn.net/community-resources/openvpn-quickstart/ [12:44] You can use whatever you want, but personally I'd rather help someone configure OpenVPN or Wireguard to their needs than L2TP etc [12:44] probably more useful to try fixing that manual than switch to a less robust product [12:44] I just got disconnected for 15 seconds [12:44] probably more useful to try fixing that manual than switch to a less robust product [12:45] Was your connection reset by Pierre? [12:45] screw Pierre tbh [12:45] I contacted OpenVPN, after sending my message, the website said the message was not received. Then I received an e-mail that said to sign-up and send the message again. lol. Then I tried their forum, upon signing up, the forum could not be found. [12:46] Look a step 1 'Static Key Mini-HOWTO' [12:46] https://openvpn.net/community-resources/static-key-mini-howto/ [12:46] I guess I'm a little confused [12:46] if a howto that straightforward doesn't work it's probably something people other than you would have noticed by now [12:46] Commands and instructions on changing configuration files are stylised the same. It took me 20 minutes to figure it out. [12:47] But then it didn't work anyway, I gave up and went to Poptop [12:47] No, OpenVPN just sucks. [12:47] Try the instructions yourself. [12:47] It doesn't work [12:47] Maybe not. [12:47] This is probably why PPTP is still the most common VPN protocol, it just works. [12:48] it's extremely arrogant to believe that just because you can't get it working the software sucks and no one should use it. [12:48] It's got nothing to do with arrogance, it's a fact. Follow the instructions step-by-step and you will see for yourself. [12:48] I would suggest that if you're getting disconnected from any server every 15 seconds it's probably a network problem. [12:49] OpenVPN is pretty widely used. [12:49] It says "server configuration file" but fails to mention where it is located. [12:49] No I mean't I got disconnected from this Libera chat for 15 seconds... incase someone replied to something I had said. [12:49] perhaps the instructions are less than forthcoming. perhaps there's another problem causing issues. but to say that a piece of software used by millions of people "just sucks" is everything to do with arrogance [12:50] The location of configuration files changes with every system. [12:50] Well, my experience is it sucks. I can only go by my experience with it. [12:50] It's not really the job of the documentation team to specify it for every system out there. [12:51] They could give one or two examples, but really it's likely in /etc/openvpn on a Linux system. [12:51] and that's the definition of arrogance. so, i think you need to adjust your attitude if you want some help [12:51] qskwood, yeah, that would have been good to know 3 weeks ago. [12:51] I don't use a 'Linux system'. I use Ubuntu. Not every Linux system is the same. [12:52] this does raise an important point however. whose responsibility is it to document where the configs are? the package maintainer for ubuntu? [12:52] Different distros have different file locations. [12:52] 99% of Linux systems place configuration data in /etc [12:52] I didn't know that. [12:52] It assumed. [12:52] Dangerous to assume. [12:52] If you had searched for OpenVPN Ubuntu 20.04, for example, you would have found where the configuration file goes in the first result. [12:52] it is. and it's a problem not limited to openvpn [12:52] Bad documentation is a really bad thing in FOSS projects. [12:52] This is just stuff you need to learn over time. [12:53] Research, flexibility, patience [12:53] learn from where tho? [12:53] I tried learning it, I followed the instructions, they didn't make sense, I moved on. [12:53] That's fair [12:53] My tinkering days are long over. [12:53] well, if it concerns you that much, put some effort into fixing the docs [12:54] I'm just saying if you want to get stuff done you have to primary options: do it yourself or have someone else do it for you [12:54] Gallomimia: Tried that, when I contacted OpenVPN, it said my message wasn't received, and to then e-mail it to them. lol wtf [12:54] the latter option does not lead to freedom [12:54] the method of contact you need is probably to submit a pull request with the corrections in the docs [12:54] https://support.openvpn.com/hc/en-us/requests/new [12:55] I used the official contact point. [12:55] Gallomimia: Freedom? [12:55] sigh. yeah if the website doesn't even have accurate contact information.. [12:56] There are three emails listed on their site: sales, press, and security [12:56] It's not that it didn't have accurate contact informaton, the form accepts your message and then says it's not delivered, then you get an e-mail saying to sign-up and send it. Then two days later someone does response to you anyway. lol they really haven't got their shit together. [12:56] Massive enterprises don't usually want emails requesting support [12:56] none of which applies to fixing the docs [12:57] also, expecting a product that costs you nothing to "have their shit together" is probably asking too much [12:57] Gallomimia: True, but that is not why I tried contacting them. I didn't bother fixing the docs because I am not going to waste my time fixing a product for a company that doesn't have it's shit together. [12:57] very much likely they're spending their limited resources on paying customers, if they have any [12:58] Gallomimia: Sure, that's business. [12:58] alright. well maybe you shouldn't use ubuntu either? [12:58] Gallomimia: Why? [12:58] For one thing you seem to hate the idea of putting any effort into achieving your goals. [12:58] another free product. the support you're receiving now is provided by volunteers, not anyone from the company [12:58] qskwood: Not at all, I achieved my goal. I have a working VPN server. [12:58] You'd be better of running something like RHEL and paying a vendor to set stuff up for you. [12:59] Gallomimia: Yes, but Canonical have their shit together. [12:59] ubuntu also has paid support [12:59] LMAO [12:59] they do NOT in fact have it together. [12:59] Canonical is not exactly a poster child [12:59] qskwood: To a degree ;) [12:59] hahahaha [12:59] They screw up just like anyone else [13:00] have you tried looking for an irc channel like this one, but for openvpn? [13:00] qskwood: I can set things up fine, if I have documentation that actually makes sense. [13:00] Gallomimia: Nah, I moved on from OpenVPN to Poptop. Poptop worked. [13:00] https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-openvpn [13:01]