[04:00] <Baytuch> Goog morning
[21:56] <jphilips> hey yall. hope everyone has been safe.
[21:59] <jphilips> bluesabre: meeting still on in 1 minute?
[22:00] <bluesabre> hey jphilips 
[22:00] <bluesabre> yep!
[22:01] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
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[22:01] <bluesabre> !team | Kicking off the Xubuntu community meeting :)
[22:01] <bluesabre> Who's around?
[22:02] <kryten> Yep, I'm heeere!
[22:02] <jphilips> o/
[22:02] <ochosi> o/
[22:02] <bluesabre> #chair jphilips kryten ochosi 
[22:02] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre, jphilips, kryten, ochosi
[22:02] <bluesabre> weeee
[22:02] <bluesabre> It's our first meeting in over a year (I think)
[22:03] <bluesabre> #link Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:05] <bluesabre> We'll go ahead and get started. I know its late for you all :)
[22:05] <bluesabre> #topic Open action items
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML
[22:05] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups
[22:05] <bluesabre> (those sure are old)
[22:05] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:05] <bluesabre> What's new everybody?
[22:06] <ochosi> phew, not much tbh - life has been pretty intense over the last year
[22:06] <jphilips> same here
[22:06] <ochosi> so i haven't found much time for xfce or xubuntu since 4.16
[22:07] <bluesabre> also same... I've only really gotten back to doing anything xubuntu-y in the last couple of weeks
[22:07] <jphilips> thanks for that. it will definitely liven things up for 20.04
[22:08] <jphilips> 22.04*
[22:08] <bluesabre> I've got some updates for the docs later on, but one small update... pushes to the docs-refresh branch now auto deploy the docs to https://xubuntu.github.io/xubuntu-docs/
[22:08] <bluesabre> So that's nifty
[22:09] <bluesabre> We'll move on to discussion :)
[22:09] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:09] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Xubuntu Schedule
[22:09] <bluesabre> #link https://wiki.xubuntu.org/releases/22.04/schedule
[22:10] <bluesabre> I put together a draft schedule for this cycle to help us stay on track.
[22:10] <bluesabre> Definitely feel free to add things or move them around as you see fit.
[22:10] <bluesabre> Though one thing I'd like to do this cycle is get back to at least semi-regular community meetings :)
[22:11] <jphilips> +1
[22:11] <ochosi> nice docs update - thanks for that!
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, without the meetings it all dies out i guess..
[22:12] <bluesabre> There's a few tentative meetings on the schedule... if anybody wants to pick up those or another date, feel free to pencil your name in ;)
[22:12] <bluesabre> Yeah, it's definitely been quiet around here while we've all been preoccupied with life
[22:12] <pleia2> o/ sorry, things, life
[22:12] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2
[22:12] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre, jphilips, kryten, ochosi, pleia2
[22:12] <bluesabre> hi pleia2!
[22:13] <jphilips> hey pleia2 
[22:13] <jphilips> hope the baby is well
[22:13] <pleia2> just went down for a nap :)
[22:13] <bluesabre> congrats :)
[22:13] <ochosi> haha nice
[22:14] <pleia2> release schedule looks nice, very fancy
[22:14] <bluesabre> Yeah, 100% stolen: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906 :D
[22:14] <ochosi> lol
[22:14] <ochosi> well how was that saying "good artists create, great artists steal"?!
[22:15] <bluesabre> :D
[22:16] <bluesabre> But yeah, if I missed anything or people want to liven up this cycle, feel free to fill the schedule up
[22:16] <bluesabre> Next up, wallpapers!
[22:16] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Wallpaper Contest
[22:16] <bluesabre> yayyyyy
[22:16] <bluesabre> #link https://contest.xubuntu.org/
[22:17] <pleia2> who is running it this time around?
[22:18] <jphilips> who ran it the previous time?
[22:18] <jphilips> what is involved in running it?
[22:18] <bluesabre> It's not too bad to run since knome made the contest site... just scheduling with the socials, turning the submissions on, turning them off, and the team judges the submissions.
[22:18] <ochosi> (i was only involved with the voting, never really with the running)
[22:19] <pleia2> "just" :)
[22:19] <bluesabre> If there was more to it than that, I forgot (but I think that's all)
[22:20] <pleia2> writing the blog post announcing it, sharing on social, and actually hitting the deadlines
[22:20] <pleia2> it's not so bad really, we do just need someone assigned to doing it, and I'm probably too busy still :(
[22:20] <bluesabre> that's fair
[22:21] <bluesabre> I can run it or help... in case somebody else wants to run it and have fun
[22:21] <pleia2> I can help too, I just don't want to hold the bag in case things are chaos over here ;D
[22:21] <ochosi> tbh i'm not sure i can sign up for a lot of these timed activities...
[22:21] <jphilips> i'm ready to help in anyway i can
[22:21] <ochosi> homeschooling during lockdowns or quarantines have made my life too unpredictable tbh
[22:22] <pleia2> kids: ruining xubuntu development since 2015
[22:22] <ochosi> (well I mean I'm home then, but I usually have zero energy during those phases so I'd likely drop the ball)
[22:22] <bluesabre> :D
[22:22] <ochosi> lol
[22:22] <ochosi> well, there's some truth in that!
[22:22] <jphilips> was looking at the blog, but didn't see any announcement post, just a results post
[22:23] <pleia2> hah, oops :)
[22:23] <pleia2> we probably did share it on social or something
[22:23] <bluesabre> https://xubuntu.org/news/xubuntu-20-04-community-wallpaper-contest/
[22:23] <pleia2> Oh good, we can just copy most of that then
[22:24] <bluesabre> Definitely
[22:24] <jphilips> it was put under article, which is why i didn't find it under news - https://xubuntu.org/news/category/news/
[22:24] <bluesabre> Woops :D
[22:25] <bluesabre> We previously required that submissions be your own work. Do we want to keep that requirement, or open it up to submissions of at least appropriately licensed work? Or was that also an aid to make sure we didn't have too much to judge?
[22:26] <pleia2> I like that it's their own work
[22:26] <pleia2> and I don't want the contents of unsplash submitted :)
[22:26] <bluesabre> Fair point
[22:27] <ochosi> yeah, plus it's far more work to ensure the licensing is okay if it's not just own work...
[22:27] <jphilips> true
[22:27] <bluesabre> good thoughts... let's not change
[22:27] <pleia2> ok, so bluesabre want to lead the effort to keep us on track, and grab jphilips and I as needed?
[22:28] <bluesabre> I'm game for that.
[22:28] <jphilips> we could reduce the number of submissions per person if we want less things to vote on
[22:28] <ochosi> tbh I think we did put a lot of thought into the "original contest" (what was that, the LTS before 20.04? or even earlier?) my guess is we'd have to invest a lot of time and effort to really improve thigns...
[22:28] <pleia2> we currently limit people to 5 submissions
[22:28] <ochosi> yeah, that's the absolute maximum
[22:29] <ochosi> otoh we didn't always have "a lot" of "quality" submissions...
[22:29] <jphilips> oh okay
[22:29] <ochosi> so it was sometimes helpful to have >1 from someone who submits good stuff
[22:30] <pleia2> I have to step away again for work, but I'll also do what I can to help nudge docs along
[22:30] <bluesabre> #info bluesabre to lead wallpaper contest and get help from jphilips and pleia2 as needed
[22:30] <bluesabre> pleia2: alrighty, thanks for popping in!
[22:31] <bluesabre> We can move on to the docs now
[22:31] <bluesabre> #subtopic 22.04 Documentation
[22:31] <bluesabre> #link https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-docs/blob/docs-refresh/CONTRIBUTING.md
[22:31] <bluesabre> jphilips kicked off a documentation refresh with a few community members last year. The changes were drafted in Google Docs but never fully migrated to Docbook.
[22:32] <bluesabre> I really want to do everything we can to get it out the door this cycle. :D
[22:32] <jphilips> sorry i dropped the ball on this and thought i would have had time to finish most of it before 21.10 but unfortunately didn't
[22:32] <jphilips> i'll definitely do it this cycle
[22:33] <bluesabre> All good... it's been a crazy  year
[22:34] <bluesabre> But yeah, if anybody is particularly good at docbook or extremely patient
[22:34] <bluesabre> We need you
[22:34] <bluesabre> :D
[22:35] <ochosi> (sry, my daughter woke up, had to step away)
[22:35] <bluesabre> :)
[22:35] <ochosi> lol, docbook...
[22:36] <bluesabre> Some part of me wonders if docbook is to blame for us not keeping docs folks around
[22:37] <bluesabre> But that's all I've got for this meeting. Anything else anybody wants to talk about while we have a few of us here?
[22:38] <jphilips> the UX vote on increasing the panel is still pending.
[22:38] <jphilips> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-July/012113.html
[22:39] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/16
[22:40] <bluesabre> Since we have ochosi...
[22:40] <bluesabre> > @ochosi Go/no-go on this?
[22:40] <ochosi> i don't have a strong opinion on this tbh (not anymore at least)
[22:40] <ochosi> i guess i've been discussing these px changes too often already
[22:40] <ochosi> there'll always be users who appreciate one or the other, so feel free to go with whatever ;)
[22:41] <bluesabre> Guess we'll go for it then :D
[22:42] <bluesabre> jphilips: were there any other changes needed on that PR from the last discussions, or is it ready to go?
[22:42] <jphilips> adding clipman had 2 for and 2 against - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2021-July/012108.html
[22:43] <jphilips> yes the addition of the two launchers wasn't in the PR
[22:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: app clipman to panel?
[22:44] <bluesabre> s/app/add
[22:44] <ochosi> i'd probably be -1
[22:45] <ochosi> most people i know don't use this by default
[22:45] <ochosi> it's good that it's installed/shipped by default though
[22:46] <ochosi> but as I haven't been around very long I feel a little bad being the tie-breaker here
[22:46] <ochosi> god, I'm obviously tired...
[22:46] <ochosi> I meant: "as I haven't been around a lot lately"
[22:47] <bluesabre> :D
[22:47] <jphilips> i was thinking 'i've been around alot less than he has' :D
[22:47] <bluesabre> ochosi has been around forever
[22:47] <bluesabre> He got me in here
[22:47] <bluesabre> Blame him for everything that happened since ;)
[22:48] <jphilips> yep i knew that, that is why i was confused
[22:48] <bluesabre> Could also have Unit193 and pleia2 chime in on clipman so ochosi doesn't have to feel like the tie-breaker
[22:50] <jphilips> there was another vote for new themes, where arc received two +1 and one +0
[22:50] <bluesabre> Added a comment on https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/15 with ochosi's vote
[22:50] <jphilips> with the new support of yaru for xfce, i think it might be a good candidate to include by default, as it also ships with ubuntu and ubuntu mate - https://news.itsfoss.com/yaru-xfce-support/
[22:51] <bluesabre> oh, yaru looks nice on xfce
[22:51] <ochosi> that sounds much more plausible than adding arc, tbh
[22:52] <bluesabre> Let's send that one to the ML for voting :)
[22:52] <ochosi> i can't stress enough though how much work adding more themes generates (if taken seriously). there's a lot of manual testing involved
[22:52] <ochosi> you have to install all kinds of apps and check if they're ok, and with the advent of gtk4 it hasn't really gotten any easier
[22:53] <bluesabre> Yaru is likely to be pretty well supported for Canonical reasons and being based on Adwaita... it's probably the lowest risk add
[22:54] <bluesabre> But I'm happy to consider it, let's get everybody else to vote
[22:54] <bluesabre> #action jphilips to email the ML to vote on adding Yaru, nudge other theme vote/discussion
[22:54] <meetingology> ACTION: jphilips to email the ML to vote on adding Yaru, nudge other theme vote/discussion
[22:55] <bluesabre> Probably about time to wind down. Anything else important to discuss right now?
[22:56] <jphilips> nothing from my end
[22:57] <bluesabre> Very cool.
[22:57] <ochosi> nope, nothing from me
[22:57] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule next meeting
[22:57] <bluesabre> I've got a slot on the schedule for December 9. I'll probably set up a Doodle poll for that closer to the date. :)
[22:58] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[22:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 22:58:05 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2021/xubuntu-devel.2021-11-11-22.01.moin.txt
[22:58] <ochosi> cool, thanks for setting up the meeting sean!
[22:58] <bluesabre> Thanks everybody for joining in. It was great to chat with everybody!
[22:58] <jphilips> thanks for everything bluesabre 
[22:59] <jphilips> i'm now in canada, so on EST, so it wouldnt be in the AM for these meetings for me
[22:59] <bluesabre> oh wow, big move
[22:59] <jphilips> so i* wouldnt
[22:59] <jphilips> just visiting for the next few months
[22:59] <ochosi> alrighty, have a nice day/evening everyone!
[22:59] <jphilips> you too ochosi 
[23:00] <bluesabre> We'll do the Unit193 schedule then... 3 AM EST "why am I awake"
[23:00] <bluesabre> seeya ochosi, have fun getting sleep!
[23:04] <bluesabre> Meeting minutes are up: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[23:04] <bluesabre> Have a great night everybody
[23:06] <jphilips> you too bluesabre 
[23:06] <jphilips> new themes email sent to ML
[23:36] <Unit193> Welp...I'm a bit late... :/