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| clarkk | oerheks, TJ- My problem was caused by the location of the user's Documents directory being moved in .config/user-dirs.dirs, and snap (or the app's snap) not handling it correctly | 00:06 |
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| clarkk | the app starts and works as expected now | 00:06 |
| clarkk | (...that I've changed the location of Documents back to the default) | 00:06 |
| opp403 | hello i got issue with my vm grub error: you need to load kernel first, i can find (hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) | 00:27 |
| EriC^^ | opp403: type "ls (hd0,msdos1)/" | 00:32 |
| opp403 | screenshot: https://ibb.co/W2TjCQD | 00:33 |
| opp403 | EriC^^ | 00:33 |
| EriC^^ | opp403: standard install or zfs etc? | 00:34 |
| opp403 | standard | 00:35 |
| EriC^^ | opp403: ok, try typing "configfile (hd0,msdos1)/grub/grub.cfg" then press "e" over ubuntu to see the entry's stuff | 00:36 |
| opp403 | grub.cfg is not exists | 00:37 |
| EriC^^ | try typing "normal" | 00:37 |
| opp403 | done | 00:38 |
| opp403 | cleared the screen | 00:38 |
| EriC^^ | oh, try "configfile (hd0,msdos1)/grub2/grub.cfg" | 00:38 |
| EriC^^ | basically we want to get back at the menu to see the ubuntu entry, what's up with the linux/kernel line | 00:39 |
| opp403 | done it's cleared the screen | 00:39 |
| EriC^^ | opp403: ok try typing "insmod ext2" | 00:40 |
| opp403 | EriC^^ done | 00:40 |
| EriC^^ | what does "echo $root" give? | 00:40 |
| opp403 | hd0,msdos1 | 00:40 |
| EriC^^ | ok, hmm what does "ls (hd0,msdos2)/" give? it's the filesystem /home /root /etc /var ..? | 00:41 |
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| opp403 | unknown filesystem | 00:42 |
| EriC^^ | odd, any more info if you do "ls (hd0,msdos2)" ? | 00:42 |
| magic_ninja | anyone know how explorer.exe under wine executes a .exe program? | 00:42 |
| magic_ninja | like is there a CLI argument for it? | 00:42 |
| EriC^^ | magic_ninja: the guys at #wine-hq might know more than here | 00:43 |
| opp403 | EriC^^ it's says no known filesysetm detected | 00:43 |
| EriC^^ | opp403: that doesnt sound too good, i'd boot a live usb on it, and troubleshoot from there | 00:43 |
| magic_ninja | I've asked over there, but no one ever says much. | 00:43 |
| opp403 | EriC^^ it's a vm machine | 00:44 |
| opp403 | virtualbox* | 00:44 |
| opp403 | EriC^^ is there way to install new VM and use the storage of it to recover my files ? | 00:46 |
| cluelessperson | When I do other io operations, ubuntu seems to greatly slow down | 00:48 |
| cluelessperson | for example, I'm dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sd* to multiple sd cards | 00:48 |
| cluelessperson | ubuntu as a result, is very slow, consistently | 00:48 |
| cluelessperson | not sure how to fix, handle this | 00:48 |
| * cluelessperson sighs and reboots his machine | 00:57 | |
| cluelessperson | umount /dev/sda | 01:12 |
| cluelessperson | target is busy | 01:12 |
| cluelessperson | why | 01:12 |
| cluelessperson | nothing is using it | 01:12 |
| cluelessperson | nothing | 01:12 |
| cluelessperson | bah | 01:16 |
| cluelessperson | I figured out a way to tell what's using it | 01:16 |
| cluelessperson | turns out it is being used | 01:17 |
| cluelessperson | super nonobvious | 01:17 |
| grzywacz | cluelessperson, what do you mean by "ubuntu is slow"? The UI? The transfers? | 01:30 |
| cluelessperson | grzywacz, the ui seems increasingly unresponsive. | 01:31 |
| cluelessperson | I got frustrated, and unable to cancel the dd process, wound up having to reboot to recover. | 01:32 |
| clarkk | I've had to disable transparent_hugepage and transparent_hugepage defrag, following the advice in the gist, because they make vmware guests hang. https://gist.github.com/2E0PGS/2560d054819843d1e6da76ae57378989 | 01:38 |
| clarkk | What are the negative effects of this, if any? | 01:38 |
| rfm | cluelessperson, were you trying to copy a whole disk partition? what did you set the blocksize to? If you use the default (512 bytes) it would take a billion system callls to copy 500G... | 01:39 |
| rfm | clarkk, you could read https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/mm/transhuge.html to find the goals of transparent_hugepage and see if they are important to you (probably only if you're running apps on the host with huge working set sizes, probably databases...) | 01:42 |
| rfm | clarkk, although interestingly mongodb seems to think transparent huge pages are bad for their database. maybe only high-working-set apps like simulations/neural nets? | 01:50 |
| rfm | clarkk, https://docs.mongodb.com/manual/tutorial/transparent-huge-pages/ is what I read about mongodb and thp... | 01:51 |
| clarkk | rfm, thanks. Isn't there a way to just make thp ignore certain files or directories? | 01:52 |
| clarkk | having said that - you're right, I'm not working with large databases, so I don't need it | 01:53 |
| rfm | clarkk, no, thp seems to be for large main memory allocations (anonymous or mmap), nothing to do with particular files/directories | 01:53 |
| clarkk | I see. OK, thank you for your help | 01:54 |
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| cluelessperson | rfm, I was geenrally using: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sd? bs=4k status=progress my sd cards are generally about 8-16G | 02:34 |
| panzeroceania | does anyone know what to do if I am attempting to install ubuntu via serial console | 03:32 |
| panzeroceania | I have the console set up, I can see the system boot, it asks me to press ESC if I want to boot menu | 03:33 |
| panzeroceania | it gives me the boot menu, I see my usb drive that I want to boot, and I select that drive | 03:33 |
| panzeroceania | then it freezes | 03:33 |
| panzeroceania | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/gOXMmU52/image.png | 03:35 |
| panzeroceania | here is my console output | 03:36 |
| siwica | I am Ubuntu 20.04 an my kernel got (auto-)updated to 5.11.0-40-generic recently. However, linux-modules-nvidia-460-5.11.0-38-generic ist the most recent available version for the Nvidia kernel module. Why are those packages not updated simultaneously? | 04:14 |
| siwica | I am unable to use my graphic card because of this. | 04:14 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: there might be some bugs around on some versions of nvidia & kernel 5.11, try to switch to another nvidia version, and see if apt can go back without errors | 04:15 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: ubuntu-drivers list, to see your nvidia driver versions | 04:15 |
| siwica | The problem ist, that the most recent linux-modules-nvidia-* packages for all nvidia drivers does not seem to correspond to the latest kernel version. | 04:16 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: did you try several nvidia driver versions? | 04:17 |
| siwica | I tried 470 and 460 (recommended by autoinstall). Let me try 495. | 04:19 |
| siwica | `ubuntu-drivers autoinstall` that is. | 04:20 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: pastebin your apt output, when you get errors ok | 04:20 |
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| siwica | Ok, it seems the package | 05:13 |
| siwica | linux-modules-nvidia-<VERSION>-5.11.0-40-generic is only available for the driver nvidia-driver-495. This driver, however, does not support my graphic card (GeForce-GTX-1650). Due to Ubuntu (auto-)updating my kernel to a version 5.11.0-40-generic for which neither the driver 460 or 470 has a matching kernel module package, I am now unable to use my graphic card. | 05:13 |
| siwica | This is extremly annoying... | 05:13 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: so wich version are you on now working? | 05:14 |
| siwica | Well, no version is working | 05:14 |
| siwica | I was on 470 which stopped working after Ubuntu updated to 5.11.0-40-generic | 05:15 |
| siwica | Is there any other option than to wait until linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-40-generic is released? | 05:16 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: that would be hard to believe your gtx cant use 460 or 470 | 05:18 |
| siwica | It seems the package is available for 21.04 though. But I would expect an LTS Ubuntu not to break my graphic card setup with normal updates. | 05:19 |
| siwica | It CAN use both 460 and 470 | 05:19 |
| siwica | But the problem is that the packages linux-modules-nvidia-460-5.11.0-40-generic and linux-modules-nvidia-470-5.11.0-40-generic are both not available. | 05:19 |
| siwica | So after the kernel got updated to the latest version I can't install the corresponding kernel module for neither of 460 or 470 | 05:20 |
| lotuspsychje | hmm | 05:21 |
| lotuspsychje | siwica: you what if you return into a previous kernel? | 05:24 |
| ApostleInTriumph | Hello. I've 2000 files that I wish to copy to another location. in doing so i want a different name for the destination. how do i go about? | 06:05 |
| jcbjoe2021 | Apachez: rsync ? | 06:34 |
| jcbjoe2021 | oops Apachez my bad | 06:34 |
| jcbjoe2021 | i really need to enable join/part/quit messages. i get peoples questions to late and think they are still here | 06:35 |
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| Apachez | jcbjoe2021: must have been months since I spoke about rsync in here? :P | 07:20 |
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| ask-ygU5AP56 | hi | 08:03 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | I want to know about snap. where can I find more information? | 08:03 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | it seems the installed wine staging 6 binaries are not in PATH | 08:03 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | but they install fine into /snap/wine*/opt/wine/bin blabablabla | 08:04 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | why is ubuntu not picking up those binaries automatically, but works fine with other snap files? | 08:04 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | can I change the snap file so it works like a Makefile in /usr/port on FreeBSD? | 08:04 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | please help... | 08:04 |
| rfm | ask-ygU5AP56, snaps are more like containers than BSD ports. http://snapcraft.io/ has all the information about them. Got to say sounds like you just have a broken one there and should be talking to whoever distributed it... | 08:08 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | okay | 08:08 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | I wanted to upgrade wine to 6- to try and make Diablo 1 work | 08:08 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | but it seems maybe that is not the correct direction... | 08:09 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | sorta weird... that over what, 20 smth years? one could think they might have made sure the application is supported by now... talking about the wine devs here... | 08:09 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | blah | 08:09 |
| rfm | ask-ygU5AP56, #winehq might have more info about wine than here, but I can´t guarantee they´ll care any more than I do | 08:12 |
| ask-ygU5AP56 | :) | 08:13 |
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| Dhruvagole[m] | hey guys, I was planning to buy the Dell Inspiron 7415 Ryzen 7 laptop however there were concerns that ubuntu still did not support the finger print sensor and rotate sensors on the laptop. What is the status on that? | 11:16 |
| tomreyn | Dhruvagole[m]: I do not know about this one (which one is it?), but most finger print sensors don't work too well, but that's not really an issue because they provide a weak authentication factor anyways (resolution is usually low, and they are easily faked). | 11:31 |
| tomreyn | (and then, biometrics as authentication factors are an issue of their own - you can't reset/rotate them) | 11:32 |
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| no_gravity | Is there a way to run a script when Ubuntu wakes up from sleeping? | 11:52 |
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| lotuspsychje | !cron | no_gravity can this help? | 12:03 |
| ubottu | no_gravity can this help?: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto | 12:03 |
| no_gravity | lotuspsychje: No, I only want to execute a script when the machine wakes up from "suspend to ram". Not in regular time intervals. | 12:06 |
| lotuspsychje | no_gravity: there's a line under anacron saying; There is a file /etc/apm/event.d/anacron, which causes the Upstart task to be started when a laptop is plugged in to A/C power, or woken up. | 12:09 |
| EriC^^ | no_gravity: i think /etc/apm/resume.d or /etc/pm/resume.d | 12:09 |
| no_gravity | Oh, interesting. | 12:13 |
| no_gravity | I will experiment with those. Thanks! | 12:14 |
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| BinarySavior | do i need to install openvpn client on ubuntu 20.04 | 13:23 |
| BinarySavior | or shoudl the native vpn client work | 13:23 |
| coconut | BinarySavior, i have the PIA client from privateinternetaccess. With no complains... works well under gnome or cosmic. | 13:27 |
| BinarySavior | i'm setting up a server on my ddwrt router, do you think my ubuntu machine will be able to connect without any additional client? | 13:28 |
| coconut | oh never done that BinarySavior, sorry.... you'll have to wait for someone else then. | 13:30 |
| coconut | but not with pia software at least | 13:31 |
| BinarySavior | i just installed easy-rsa from apt, how can i access docs for this package? the docs on listed in "apt show easy-ras" assume that i have a standalone directory with easy-rsa in there | 13:47 |
| BinarySavior | "apt show easy-rsa" | 13:47 |
| BinarySavior | nvm figured it out make-cadir | 13:52 |
| BluesKaj | 'Morning folks | 14:05 |
| hoolahoopy | How do I change how my laptop sleeps from deep to s2idle? | 14:07 |
| hoolahoopy | I get these `abc-Inspiron-3576 kernel: i2c_hid i2c-DELL083F:00: i2c_hid_get_input: incomplete report (14/65535)` kernel errors and it seems like a common dell problem | 14:10 |
| hoolahoopy | it might be related to the touchpad and sleep/suspend states | 14:11 |
| lotuspsychje | hoolahoopy: wich ubuntu release/kernel are you on? | 14:13 |
| hoolahoopy | lotuspsychje: on kernel 5.4.0-89-generic and ubuntu release 20.04 | 14:14 |
| hoolahoopy | Linux abc-Inspiron-3576 5.4.0-89-generic #100-Ubuntu SMP Fri Sep 24 14:50:10 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 14:14 |
| hoolahoopy | I saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1784152 but here there is no ELAN | 14:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1784152 in linux (Ubuntu) "i2c_hid_get_input floods system logs" [Undecided, Fix Released] | 14:15 |
| lotuspsychje | !uptodate | hoolahoopy try this first | 14:15 |
| ubottu | hoolahoopy try this first: To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`. | 14:15 |
| hoolahoopy | oops seems like my root drive is full (: | 14:15 |
| hoolahoopy | don't have a liveboot to resize partitions | 14:16 |
| tomreyn | is your /home on the same file system as the root directory / ? | 14:17 |
| hoolahoopy | no | 14:17 |
| hoolahoopy | home is large I allocated a bit too less to root I think in hindsight | 14:17 |
| tomreyn | do you have much data in /tmp or /var/tmp or /boot? du -sh /tmp /var/tmp /boot | 14:18 |
| hoolahoopy | hardly I made root 40gb so 38 gb was allocated | 14:19 |
| hoolahoopy | I'll need to format a flash to resize root. | 14:19 |
| tomreyn | 40 Gb for / is plenty, i wonder what is all the software you have installed | 14:20 |
| hoolahoopy | KDE and many dev packages i never thought I'd run out | 14:20 |
| hoolahoopy | not sure if there is a way to clean uneeded stuff | 14:20 |
| hoolahoopy | forgot comand to cache stuff | 14:21 |
| hoolahoopy | to clear apt cache | 14:21 |
| tomreyn | you can try sudo apt purge autoremove but i think it will also fail if apt already fails to install / update things | 14:21 |
| hoolahoopy | sudo apt autoremove don't sohw anthing | 14:21 |
| tomreyn | that's sudo apt purge --autoremove or the other way around, sorry | 14:22 |
| hoolahoopy | tomreyn: I have a 14 GB peb drive can I keep a live book and a normal parition on it? | 14:22 |
| hoolahoopy | *boot | 14:22 |
| hoolahoopy | i know dd will finish it is there another way | 14:23 |
| tomreyn | hoolahoopy: maybe not with all of kde, but generally, yes | 14:24 |
| tomreyn | i assume "peb drive" -> "pen drive" | 14:25 |
| hoolahoopy | actually i just need a liveboot with gparted in it | 14:25 |
| hoolahoopy | to shrink home and resize root | 14:25 |
| tomreyn | before you play with gparted, make sure your backups are complete and current | 14:25 |
| hoolahoopy | don't have money for a backup drive. My desktop is toast so surviving on my laptop. SO I have to ber extremely careful with gparted. Can use an online service probaably. | 14:27 |
| tomreyn | probably a good idea then, yes | 14:30 |
| lotuspsychje | hoolahoopy: bleachbit & stacer can easy shred unused files/clean up space if you like | 14:37 |
| jemark | 15:00 | |
| carmi | Hi | 15:02 |
| Gallomimia | good morning | 15:02 |
| carmi | good morning | 15:03 |
| vx_ | good evening)) | 15:04 |
| ismail | hi | 15:06 |
| Guest9960 | hellow | 15:13 |
| Guest9960 | wtf | 15:14 |
| Guest9960 | plss help | 15:14 |
| lotuspsychje | ask a question first Guest9960 | 15:14 |
| Guest9960 | wtf idiot | 15:14 |
| tomreyn | lets not be rude | 15:15 |
| tomreyn | !ask | Guest9960 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Guest9960: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 15:15 |
| Guest9960 | ~tomreyn@megaglest/team/tomreyn wtf | 15:16 |
| Guest9960 | cancer | 15:16 |
| tomreyn | Guest9960: Please review the Ubuntu IRC guidelines in /topic | 15:18 |
| * lidless hugs | 15:20 | |
| lidless | reminds me of my first experience on AOL where I didn't see other people as humans | 15:20 |
| neure | Configuring a cmake project on fresh WSL complains Could NOT find Threads (missing: Threads_FOUND) - any suggestions? Which dev package would help? | 15:40 |
| lidless | on wsl? No suggestions. it's flakey | 15:42 |
| lidless | hard to know if it's you or WSL causing obstacles | 15:43 |
| ioria | especially if we don't know what are you builing neure | 15:45 |
| neure | This is my own code, that used to work previously. But issue happens when in glfw: https://gist.github.com/tksuoran/2ce9292d92fe419d1d67b9d3d25ab32f | 15:46 |
| neure | I just have not maintained linux support in a while, working only in Windows | 15:47 |
| neure | So I installed wsl to fix compilation issues | 15:47 |
| lidless | neure: looks like you're missing a Threads library | 15:47 |
| ioria | neure, check your libpthread things | 15:49 |
| neure | things? | 15:50 |
| neure | Ok logs tell me that CheckIncludeFile.c:1:10: fatal error: 'pthread.h' file not found | 15:50 |
| ioria | packages | 15:50 |
| neure | and what package would i need for that include? | 15:50 |
| ioria | start with libc6-dev | 15:51 |
| neure | already have it | 15:52 |
| neure | I've installed build-essential cmake clang ninja-build build-essential | 15:52 |
| ioria | so it's a path issue in your cmake settings | 15:53 |
| neure | ... how? | 15:53 |
| ioria | i can suggest to look at CMakeLists.txt | 15:54 |
| neure | Yeah, I know my CMakeLists.txt, but I am not sure exactly what part there would be to blame | 15:55 |
| ioria | set variables | 15:55 |
| neure | wtf.. "/mnt/c/Program Files/LLVM/bin/clang.exe" -o CMakeFiles/cmTC_71847.dir/CheckIncludeFile.c.o -c CheckIncludeFile.c | 15:56 |
| neure | that is f***ed | 15:57 |
| neure | LOL my WSL $PATH has things from my Windows %PATH% | 15:57 |
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| hoolahoopy | neure: I think it is better to install a linux VM and build in it | 16:17 |
| hoolahoopy | and debug in it | 16:17 |
| hoolahoopy | usually there isn't so much of a perf penalty | 16:17 |
| neure | Yeah I know | 16:18 |
| hoolahoopy | if you don't have a way to share the VM stuff with the host you can setup a samba server on the linux VM and shuffle files back and forth | 16:18 |
| neure | but I have used WSL before and it is useful for my use | 16:18 |
| * hoolahoopy nods | 16:18 | |
| neure | I mostly use VSCode and it does work great with SSH as well as WSL | 16:19 |
| hoolahoopy | vscode works greate natively on linux too | 16:19 |
| neure | I typically would prefer SSH to another local computer but I don't have one now | 16:19 |
| hoolahoopy | so it would be fine in your VM too | 16:19 |
| neure | Yeah, that too, that would be even better, but I need to have Windows for work stuff and currently I have no linux installed anywhere | 16:19 |
| hoolahoopy | neure: I mean install a linux VM running on your windows host | 16:20 |
| hoolahoopy | it's not baremetal so you can destroy it when done easily | 16:20 |
| neure | I know, but I thought wsl --install was simpler that installing VM and then ubuntu | 16:21 |
| hoolahoopy | only limitation I can think of is space and maybe GPU virtualisation | 16:21 |
| hoolahoopy | neure: yes but it will introduce new problems e.g. what if soething works on WSL but not on real linux | 16:21 |
| neure | WSL is not compact either :P | 16:21 |
| neure | right now I only want to check that something compiles | 16:21 |
| neure | I will likely get a real linux machine (hardware) at some point | 16:22 |
| hoolahoopy | hmm not really needed. I used to virtualise windows on my desktop | 16:22 |
| hoolahoopy | but something is wrong with the MOBO or something | 16:23 |
| neure | I do graphics stuff and it does not yet virtualize that great | 16:23 |
| neure | or at least it didn't last time I tried | 16:23 |
| neure | it has been getting a lot better recently though | 16:23 |
| hoolahoopy | yeah, for that you can get two GPU and passthrough the second one to the VM if you have the cash | 16:23 |
| hoolahoopy | that has been my problem too to an extent thats why I have a dual boot | 16:24 |
| hoolahoopy | so i have a baremetal windows and a baremetal linux on the same machine | 16:24 |
| hoolahoopy | and the VMs are for experimental or simple stuff when I want the best of borh worlds. | 16:24 |
| dimis | Hi everyone. I wanted to set up auto updates so I created a cron job in root for "apt update && apt upgrade" followed by another cron for "apt clean && apt autoremove" But it was not working. Will I get the same result if I edit the 50unattended-upgrades file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ to clean after upgrade? | 16:32 |
| EriC^^ | dimis: you'd need to put -y for it to work i guess | 16:40 |
| dimis | Sorry I should have put the entire cron. I did put -y at the end yes! I even tried the full path of /usr/bin/apt to no avail | 16:41 |
| EriC^^ | try to add "> /tmp/aptlog 2>&1" to see why it's not working | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | Hi | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | I am a Windows user. | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | I have a set of 3 Windows multi-boot on two HDDs. | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | Now I am thinking to install a Linux distro (U-based) on a third HDD. | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | I already have the ISO file. | 16:44 |
| Dan_1591 | The question is: | 16:44 |
| oerheks | !paste | 16:44 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 16:44 |
| dimis | EriC^^: Will give it a try. Thanks! It may be that is conflicting with unattended upgrades as some times when I try to run the commands manually I get that its locked by another process. | 16:47 |
| EriC^^ | dimis: no problem | 16:48 |
| Dan_1591 | A Windows user here. Without using a CD/DVD/USB, can I install a Linux distro (U-based) from one HDD to another (on my computer), directly from Windows? Its bootloader can be kept on that particular HDD and partition, without messing it with my current one. | 16:53 |
| oerheks | Dan_1591, in short; no | 16:54 |
| oerheks | * unless you have grub already installed | 16:54 |
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| d_rwin | how can I set a wired connection with my data card (pppoe* as a ethernet connection) | 17:58 |
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| Guest9962 | hi | 18:01 |
| octav1a | HIHIHI!!! uwu ^.^ :D | 18:01 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: on which ubuntu release ( lsb_release -ds ) and which Ubuntu variant (Desktop? Server?) | 18:01 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: hirsuite | 18:01 |
| Guest9962 | I am curious if someone can explain to me in more details what is the root issue with the lock screen still showing the desktop on re-awake / unsuspend. there are various bugs on various distros / commponents but I still dont really understand where I should be looking for a fix, or why the issue is hard to fix | 18:01 |
| Guest9962 | let me find an example bug on ubuntu, I had it up last night | 18:02 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: thanks for partially answering one of two questions so far. feel free to add more info. | 18:02 |
| Guest9962 | here's an example bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extensions/+bug/1803807 | 18:02 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: need it in desktop | 18:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1769383 in gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock (Ubuntu Disco) "Ubuntu dock/launcher is shown on the lock screen" [High, Fix Released] [duplicate: 1803807] | 18:03 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest9962: that bug more like a dock bug, showing on the lockscreen, not really what you describe? | 18:04 |
| Guest9962 | actually sorry that was the wrong one, this is more like it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1280300 | 18:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1532508 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 1280300] | 18:04 |
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| Guest9962 | that one is marked as a dupe of this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1532508 even though 1280300 was filed in 2014 | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1532508 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking" [High, Confirmed] | 18:05 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: Ubuntu 21.10 Desktop defaults to NetworkManager for network configuration. It provides a graphical user interface (top right of your screen, as well as in the "Settings" application) for configuring PPPoE connections. | 18:05 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: ok, how? I just need a ethernet or wired connection with my data card | 18:08 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: what do you mean by "data card"? | 18:08 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: wifi dongle | 18:09 |
| octav1a | Guest9962: yeah that's an interesting one to me. I've actually seen it on android from time to time as well | 18:10 |
| octav1a | I've rules it well beyond my ability to tackle >.> | 18:10 |
| octav1a | ruled* | 18:10 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: hmm, this is a bit unclear. you mentioned ethernet connection, wifi dongle, pppoe (which would require a modem), these are all different types of hardware. | 18:10 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: which hardware are you trying to conect through, and which other device or network does it connect you to? | 18:11 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: I see, so far my wifi data card didnt recognise in wvdialconf, assumed its a usb_modswitch issue | 18:12 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: its just a wifi hotspot, with a configurable settings ( gateway, SSID, Wlan ) | 18:13 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: are you actually running Ubuntu? Why are you using wvdial rather than NetworkManager? | 18:13 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: wvdial failed to detect my hardware, am on networkmanager | 18:14 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: nmcli works just fine, just need a wired connection like phone usb tethering, no wifi | 18:15 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: your intent changes by the second, i don't think i can help there. | 18:16 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: do you have the USB ID for the device? | 18:17 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: I'm very unsure of the peice of hardware I own, yes lsusb -> digitech | 18:17 |
| oerheks | Guest9962, that 'bug' is gone in 21.10 .. | 18:18 |
| Guest9962 | yea Ive found various bugs floating around in various distros and components | 18:18 |
| oerheks | various distros .. interesting | 18:18 |
| oerheks | so, your current issue is fixed | 18:18 |
| Guest9962 | the one I linked looks to have some decent background, theres this comment about how it's rooted at the xroads of x11 and hw specfic driver issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1280300/comments/19 | 18:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1532508 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 1280300] | 18:19 |
| oerheks | another old bugreport, anything more recent about an supported ubuntu version? | 18:20 |
| Guest9962 | no I'm currently using elementary os, but I was on ubuntu 20.4 and had it, and have seen it on both laptops I've had for the last ~7 years across various distros | 18:20 |
| oerheks | Do you encounter this on 20.40/21.04/21.10 ? | 18:20 |
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| d_rwin | tomreyn: when wvdial failed I tried ADSLPPPoE | 18:21 |
| Guest9962 | so I was more curious about finding a broader discussion about the technical reasons for the issue, since most bugs in most distros I found were just like "yea thats a bug thats been around for years, hard to fix, sorry" | 18:21 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest9962: you cant generalize statements like that for every machine, come back with your device when you have ubuntu installed? | 18:22 |
| Guest9962 | are you saying its fixed in 21.4 bc 21.4 defaults to wayland? | 18:22 |
| Guest9962 | yea i was also experiencing it on ubuntu 20.4 before switching to eos | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest9962: no, we say that issues are best to handled specific to one machine and investigate whats the root problem | 18:23 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest9962: perhaps your machine makes an acpi bug across several distro's | 18:24 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: post URL from terminal for> lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999 | 18:24 |
| Guest9962 | I'm also experiencing it in eos, which I believe is based on 20.4. I can try switching to ubuntu 21.4 to see if it fixes this problem, but I was more looking today for more techinical understanding | 18:24 |
| lotuspsychje | Guest9962: reinstall ubuntu, and pastebin us a dmesg of your machine so we can deeper investigate it | 18:25 |
| tomreyn | d_rwin: those softwares do different things. if you can provide specific information about the hardware you are mening to use to connect to something else, this may enable us to support you. usb connected devices can be listed using the lsusb command. note that you did not answer my question regarding actual use of Ubuntu. I won't be able to help if you are using an Ubuntu or different Debian derivative. | 18:25 |
| Guest9962 | for example, in this comment, point 1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1280300/comments/19 he mentions firmware updates for specific hardware offenders. typically those firmware updates need to come from the hardware vendor themselves right? | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1532508 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 1280300] | 18:26 |
| oerheks | again a bugreport from 2014.. and the duplicate bugreports says bugfix released. i wonder why you still see it on 20.04 | 18:28 |
| noarb | when I install ninja and meson with the standard apt, ninja builds can't find meson: `/bin/sh: 1: /usr/local/bin/meson: not found`, but apt installed it at /usr/bin/meson. Should I link this someway, is this an installation error? | 18:28 |
| oerheks | 20.04/wayland surely fixes a lot of things | 18:28 |
| tomreyn | noarb: a software looking for another software in /usr/local/ is most likely one that was locally built, or at least not one you have retrieved from ubuntu repositories. | 18:30 |
| tomreyn | noarb: in other words, i'm suggesting that the software that provided this output was probably locally built or modified, or uses a custom configuration you supplied, which points to /usr/local | 18:31 |
| ioria | probably installed with pip3 | 18:31 |
| tomreyn | that would be "locally built" | 18:31 |
| Guest9962 | yea, I was reading this weekend about the 1000 paper cuts initiative that ubuntu did a few years ago, which I think is brilliant, and reminded me of this longstanding issue, so I've been doing more research about it. | 18:32 |
| Guest9962 | but yes, the fact that this issue has been first reported more than 5 years ago and I keep seeing it on new distros is frustrating and makes me think the "bugfixes" that are reported as released are papering over the root issue so I come today to get a better understanding of that deeper cause. | 18:33 |
| oerheks | try 21.10 :-) | 18:33 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: my hardware is a huaweiE8372 type data card for 4G enabled SIM, no modem | 18:35 |
| ioria | noarb, hash -r or close and open again the terminal ; then 'type -a meson' | 18:37 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: does it show in lsusb as 12d1:1f01 | 18:38 |
| noarb | I can confirm that both meson and ninja-build were installed via `apt install meson ninja-build`. apt-file on the packages shows that they only install to /usr/bin, which is where they are on my machine, but invoking ninja is looking for meson in /usr/local/bin/meson? `type -a meson meson is /usr/bin/meson meson is /bin/meson` | 18:39 |
| d_rwin | tomreyn: ubuntu desktop configured with xfce, previously wvdialconf detect the modem very easily for my other data card with a SD card reader | 18:39 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: yes with dmesg also | 18:39 |
| ioria | noarb, and /usr/local/bin/meson exists ? | 18:39 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: it is detected as mass storage then | 18:40 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: can you help me with usb_modeswitch codes | 18:40 |
| noarb | no, it does not. But that is where the apt-installed version of ninja-build is looking for meson | 18:40 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: for the /lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb_modeswitch.rules just copy an existing line, paste it below and change the idvendor and idproduct to match yours | 18:42 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: mostly never used usb_modeswitch, link? | 18:43 |
| noarb | if I need to symlink the binary, is this is a bug in the debian packaging? | 18:50 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: trying to find a link with instructions on how to extract the configPack.tar.gz from /usr/share/usb_modeswitch to /etc/usb_modeswitch.d/ | 18:50 |
| Guest9962 | first reported at least 10 years ago in fact : v | 18:53 |
| Guest9962 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/830348 | 18:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1532508 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "Screen contents revealed briefly on resume, before even unlocking" [High, Confirmed] [duplicate: 830348] | 18:53 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: in terminal do> cd /etc/usb_modeswitch.d | 18:54 |
| oerheks | Guest9962, and is it valid for 21.10 ? pasting ancient bugreports is useless | 18:54 |
| Guest9962 | not useless, it shows how there's a bad security issue thats been around for a decade and is still not fixed. the other one I pasted from 2014 had someone reporting it still repro's in 21.4 | 18:55 |
| Guest9962 | so I hope you can understand why I'd be hesitant to try your suggestion to upgrade | 18:56 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: will wail | 18:56 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: *wait | 18:56 |
| Guest9962 | if upgrading has it's own cost of resetting up a bunch of stuff | 18:56 |
| Guest9962 | although that first bug I linked has more of the kind of explanation I'm looking for | 18:57 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: in terminal do> cd /etc/usb_modeswitch.d | 18:57 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: then> sudo cp /usr/share/usb_modeswitch/configPack.tar.gz /etc/usb_modeswitch.d/ | 18:57 |
| oerheks | Guest9962, i think your last statement isnot true. did you test 21.10 ? | 18:57 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: then lastly> sudo tar -xvf configPack.tar.gz | 18:58 |
| oerheks | and you can argue about upgrading, you are on elementary :-D | 18:58 |
| d_rwin | jeremy31: link pls? will try this | 18:58 |
| jeremy31 | d_rwin: don't have a link, I just did it on my computer, after those 3 terminal commands, reboot | 18:59 |
| Guest9962 | you might be right, I'll have to upgrade to test, which I dont have time to do today but maybe next week with the holidays. if the true root cause is x11 and upgrading to a distro:version with wayland support is the only true fix, then that will be | 19:03 |
| Guest9962 | should be easy to verify * | 19:03 |
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| sqpp | Hello | 19:23 |
| sqpp | Would someone be kind to help me with my VGA Drivers a bit? | 19:24 |
| sqpp | I have a T400 Thinkpad with GMA4500HD (i965) and it does support hardware acceleration, but for some weird reasons, I am not able to load even the drivers to work properly | 19:25 |
| sqpp | vainfo reports error https://pastebin.com/raw/V6p2mDKN | 19:26 |
| oerheks | GMA4500HD .. that is pretty old | 19:40 |
| oerheks | on 12.04 it was a dragon too | 19:41 |
| fuzzymanboob98[m | is wayland Nvidia scheduled to be a thing in the next LTS? | 19:42 |
| sqpp | @oerheks, I understand, however, Ubuntu 21.10 runs great with the exception of the 3DAcc | 19:44 |
| oerheks | fuzzymanboob98[m, certainly not. *if* nvidia provides good drivers, it will not appear in an LTS, basicly. | 19:45 |
| oerheks | always in the in-between-versions | 19:45 |
| sqpp | I might switch to some uther distro and see if others works | 19:45 |
| oerheks | sqpp, choose a light desktop, like xubuntu /mate/lubuntu, and disable 3d effects. i think gma4500 is way too old\ | 19:46 |
| fuzzymanboob98[m | Why always in the in-between versions? Because it's already too late to get the kinks sorted out? | 19:46 |
| oerheks | LTS is stable, without new features | 19:47 |
| sqpp | @oerheks, I understand, as I said, the issue isn't the performance | 19:47 |
| sqpp | More like video decoding since 3D Acceleration is not present | 19:47 |
| fuzzymanboob98[m | I'm on LTS using 470 drivers right now. It seems to me that the drivers aren't version frozen to April 2020 | 19:48 |
| oerheks | fuzzy then you are running xorg now, not wayland | 19:49 |
| fuzzymanboob98[m | Yes I know I'm on Xorg. I am interested in whether wayland nvidia will be a thing in the not-so-far future | 19:51 |
| oerheks | maybe in 22.10 .. | 19:51 |
| fuzzymanboob98[m | good to know, thank you | 19:54 |
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| sqpp | All right, I will switch to Windows then | 20:11 |
| sqpp | Thanks | 20:11 |
| Exterminador | hello guys. so, I stupidly edited my default netplan config (Ubuntu server) without saving a copy of the original one. anywhere I can find the default config without having to reinstall everything? | 20:35 |
| oerheks | mv your config to .old, and run; sudo netplan generate | 20:38 |
| oerheks | or some example; https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-configure-static-ip-address-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux | 20:38 |
| Exterminador | sorry, forgot to tell that I'm testing Ubuntu 21.10. also `netplan generate` doesn't regenerate the netplan config | 20:41 |
| ioria | Exterminador, what makes you think there is a 'default' ? | 20:45 |
| Exterminador | then the netplan config existing in /etc/netplan is generated on installation? | 20:46 |
| ioria | yes | 20:47 |
| Exterminador | I've borked the system so bad that I can even run `apt update`. since it's a fresh install, time to have fun reinstalling (and honestly I do have fun installing/reinstalling stuff) | 20:48 |
| Exterminador | what's the default Ubuntu mirror? archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu? since I'm in France it seems to be using fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu | 20:50 |
| webchat79 | Hello, good afternoon 😊 I'm | 20:52 |
| webchat79 | Joel | 20:52 |
| webchat79 | I could really use some direction with my battle with this boot kit that has taken over all my devices, I have been struggling with this for months trying to overcome these bad actors. I managed to to isolate the script that is not yet embedded itself on the HD. I booting in from a live USB using elementary. I froze the WI | 20:58 |
| webchat79 | Window and wS able to capture some pictures | 20:59 |
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| oerheks | elementary ? | 21:10 |
| * oerheks facepalms | 21:10 | |
| dan01 | Is there any progress on GTK apps being blurry on high dpi laptops (1.25 scaling, most 15" laptops)? Like VS Code for example | 21:35 |
| coconut | dan01, i have cosmic here at the moment, i can check which app is blurry if you want? I have high dpi thinkpad. | 21:41 |
| orange1 | whats that one app that shows system info on the desktop | 21:41 |
| coconut | conky? | 21:41 |
| orange1 | oh yeah thanks | 21:41 |
| dan01 | coconut: Thanks! VS Code, just try typing some text | 21:42 |
| coconut | from apt? | 21:42 |
| Exterminador | I'm a bit annoyed with this, every time i install a package on my home server (accessing it from my laptop): https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/KjwPKWKV/ubuntu_21.10.png | 21:42 |
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| coconut | installing deb, just a minute | 21:44 |
| dan01 | coconut: Thanks! Yes, that should be fine | 21:45 |
| coconut | dan01, just normal high dpi here | 21:45 |
| dan01 | ah, thanks | 21:45 |
| coconut | yw | 21:45 |
| dan01 | could you make a screenshot if it's not too much to ask? :D | 21:45 |
| coconut | sure | 21:46 |
| coconut | dan01, https://i.imgur.com/o4xOx1e.png | 21:50 |
| dan01 | wow, that really looks ok | 21:50 |
| dan01 | thanks! | 21:51 |
| oerheks | 'deamons using outdated libraries' Exterminador ? maybe you should run propper updates, or if those packages come from 3rd party, look for newer ones? | 21:52 |
| Exterminador | oerheks: had to reboot. but it's annoying to receive this every time you install a package and the binary is outdated. is there a way to disable this? not to forget i'm using Ubuntu 21.10 | 21:53 |
| oerheks | and what binairy is outdated? not the ones we provide? | 21:54 |
| Exterminador | it was a fresh install. just run `apt update` and `apt dist-upgrade` right after finishing the installation | 21:55 |
| Exterminador | all the packages I've installed so far were all obtained via `apt` without adding any third party PPA's or anything | 21:57 |
| Exterminador | worth to mention that the ISO from ubuntu.com already has 20 outdated packages upon installation (I just downloaded the server ISO this afternoon) | 21:58 |
| Exterminador | grabbed it from https://ubuntu.com/download/server and choosing option 2 | 22:00 |
| oerheks | all isos except the daily build have older packages, but an update run with dist-upgrade and reboot should work fine | 22:00 |
| Aterfax | Not sure what your complaint is here? You prefer to run out of date binaries? | 22:00 |
| oerheks | so, did you reboot? | 22:00 |
| oerheks | and what is that chrome tab, building from source? | 22:01 |
| Exterminador | building from source for UnrealIRCd. | 22:03 |
| Exterminador | Aterfax: I'm not saying I rather run update packages. I just feel that's annoying to get that "complaint" from the server every time you install a package because sometimes it can pass several hours before you can be able to reboot the server | 22:05 |
| oerheks | so, you did not reboot? | 22:06 |
| oerheks | come back when you did, and tell us if it solves that issue | 22:07 |
| Exterminador | not right after running `apt update && apt dist-upgrade`. but after a reboot, yes. the "warning" doesn't reappear | 22:07 |
| kilo | hey | 22:07 |
| kilo | :q | 22:07 |
| Exterminador | I know that a reboot should be issued every time we install packages that change the current binaries. the issue is that some times we can't/don't want to do so because we might have something that needs to be kept running for a few more hours/days before rebooting the server. I'm just asking if there's a way to disable that warning completely | 22:10 |
| oerheks | No, that screen helps you restart the service that just got updated. | 22:12 |
| oerheks | and the argument we must keep it running, is invalid. | 22:13 |
| Exterminador | it might be valid especially when you run/plan to run ZNC, IRCd and other stuff that needs the most uptime possible with the less restarts possible | 22:14 |
| lpv | hey guys anyone know where I could find the configs/data of foobar2000 snap which comes with wine? (normally %appdata% on windows?) | 22:21 |
| oerheks | lpv, i think in your home folder, ~/snap/foobar/something | 22:22 |
| lpv | ow gotcha! That's the one! Cheers! ;) | 22:23 |
| oerheks | have fun! | 22:23 |
| Aterfax | ?? | 22:23 |
| Aterfax | You don't need to reboot it just asked if you want to restart the daemons. | 22:23 |
| Aterfax | So restart the daemons and use the new binaries. | 22:24 |
| oerheks | Aterfax, he claims every time he updates .. then it is a fresh install.. | 22:24 |
| Aterfax | I'm not really seeing what the problem is? Suppressing the warnings and not restarting the daemons is a bad idea. | 22:25 |
| Exterminador | I do `apt update && apt dist-upgrade` almost daily but I only do restarts/reboots at weekends (when I do have the time to seat and fix anything that might break) | 22:33 |
| Exterminador | I guess that I'm just not used to see that warning in Ubuntu 20.04 | 22:34 |
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| Exterminador | when following the instructions from https://weechat.org/download/debian/ when trying to add the GPG key, I'm facing this error: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wdosmlLQ/ | 23:13 |
| Exterminador | dirmngr and gpg-agent are both installed | 23:13 |
| oerheks | Exterminador, seek support in elementary ? | 23:13 |
| oerheks | and oh, we do not support 3rd party sources | 23:14 |
| Exterminador | elementary? I'm running ubuntu server, though. and this seems to be an error of GPG? | 23:14 |
| oerheks | sudo apt install weechat # gives the latest version, no need for that repo | 23:15 |
| Exterminador | well. manually creating the folder /root/.gnupg seems to solve the issue. something wrong with the gpg-agent or something that cannot create the folder on it's own? didn't had this kind of issues with 20.04 | 23:21 |
| TJ- | Exterminador: I added a workaround for that issue, in the weechat issue tracker | 23:22 |
| TJ- | Exterminador: see https://github.com/weechat/weechat.org/issues/107 | 23:22 |
| ubottu | Issue 107 in weechat/weechat.org "Documentation: Issues in installation instructions for Debian 11 'Bullseye' (at least)" [Open] | 23:22 |
| Exterminador | TJ-: thanks for the input :D | 23:24 |
| TJ- | Exterminador: ha, didn't notice you'd asked in #weechat! | 23:25 |
| lpv | anyone know how to gain access to my external storage? Like playing an .mp3 will give me access denied. or copy it to my system | 23:26 |
| Exterminador | usually I don't cross post, but thought I could have found a bug within GPG itself | 23:26 |
| Aterfax | lpv mount it make sure you have the correct group ID to access the files. | 23:29 |
| Aterfax | and / or UID | 23:29 |
| Aterfax | Define "external storage" for a more specific answer. | 23:30 |
| oerheks | lpv, go into software > installed > foobar > permissions, anything there for external media? | 23:30 |
| oerheks | snaps are pretty good confined | 23:30 |
| lpv | ay yes @oerheks! Saved me twice today :d cheers! | 23:32 |
| Aterfax | Not sure where I sit on snaps - good in principle but but perms requirement granting is a double edged sword. | 23:33 |
| Aterfax | The fact it breaks GNOME web intergration is annoying. | 23:33 |
| Aterfax | *integration rather | 23:34 |
| Guest7898 | i have removed the apport package. Now is it ok for me to delete the files that are from the python3-apport package? | 23:34 |
| lpv | well if android usage has any say in that I'd say as long as you don't reinstall os every other day it's not that bad :p if you get to reinstall with a bunch of software though it might get a tad irritating | 23:36 |
| lpv | talking about @Aterfax permissions | 23:36 |
| lpv | But also if oerheks wasn't here I'd prob have spent half/an hour or sth on that heh | 23:37 |
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