[12:31] <stevenm> Since (tell me if this is wrong) all desktop Ubuntu flavours now use a Live ISO running Xorg to install themselves to hard disk...
[12:32] <stevenm> And (as far as I know, again tell me if I'm wrong) they all seem to 'image' the disk these days...
[12:32] <stevenm> Presumably they're copying over the image that the Live CD is actually running from (only the Live instance is presumably using something like overlayfs so it doesn't contaminate the image it's copying)
[12:33] <stevenm> In which case... if you wanted to edit that ISO (or remake it) so that the image it copies *does not* include Xorg at all... then it becomes impossible to actually install as the installer requires Xorg itself
[12:34] <stevenm> am I making sense... and is this the reason for subiquity?
[12:34] <stevenm> (well that... and Canonicals insistence that debian-installer is no good any longer)
[12:49] <seb128> stevenm, subiquity is a text installer, it replaces the old debian-installer, nothing to do with xorg there
[12:49] <stevenm> You've linked two things in a way I wasn't linking them... it's resulted in you telling me stuff I already know.
[12:53] <seb128> stevenm, unsure to understand your question, but the installer can remove content from the target system, it's not a pure copy, otherwise you would end up with the installer on the system, you could remove xorg the same way if you wanted
[13:10] <oerheks>  (tell me if this is wrong) but seb128 does...
[15:00] <rbasak> !dmb-ping
[15:16] <paride> mapreri, hi! quick question on backports: AIUI the backporters team will handle backporting the latest debhelper (from jammy) to all the supported releases (or at least from focal onward, should backporting it to bionic prove difficult). Am I getting it right?
[15:20] <mapreri> paride: correct.  except I'm charge of it but I've been busy (planned IRL stuff) in the past ~10 days and the next ~2 days, so I've yet to get to it
[15:20] <mapreri> I only managed to upload ubuntu-dev-tools to focal as a test before going busy
[15:22] <mapreri> (also, I don't think we sent out the formal "bpos are open" mail yet, did we?)
[15:22] <mapreri> (though I suppose technically they are)
[15:23] <paride> mapreri, I've been keeping an eye on the wiki page, as I'm looking forward backporting some packages. I don't remember getting a formal email
[15:24] <paride> anyway great to hear that a newer debhelper is coming for -backports
[15:24] <mapreri> right, that's in the todo, I guess we'll likely do it in the coming days, probably during w/e
[16:45] <paride> mapreri, thanks for fixing me on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-dev-tools/+bug/1945349 , but isn't https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/ubuntu-dev-tools/+git/ubuntu-dev-tools/+ref/master the main repo for ubuntu-dev-tools?
[16:47] <mapreri> paride: it is.  but you linked your own clone, and the MR linked in the bug report is not marked as merged.  so I proceed to assume it's not merged yet.
[16:48] <mapreri> mh
[16:48] <mapreri> no, I'm blind
[16:48] <mapreri> the "pending" confused me
[16:48] <mapreri> sorry
[16:51] <paride> np! :)
[18:17] <teward> rbasak: ddstreet: sorry for my absence, today turned out to be a totally bad morning - insomnia leading to total morning sleep required.  sorry bout my absence!
[20:17] <rbasak> teward: np, but please spend some time on the outstanding discussions on the ML :)
[20:18] <teward> yep, i'm reading up.  work is what i'm doing right now though (or I don't get paid heh)