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AterfaxTrue00:04
AterfaxThe issue I have with it really relates to when you are getting blocked due to perms on things like snap, docker, lxc the diagnosis is more difficult00:05
Aterfaxso a new Ubuntu user may have no idea about snap perms, if it doesn't get set properly it is justbroken00:06
oerheks21.10 gives a permission tab in settings, i found out00:06
AterfaxThe UX on linux still leaving much to be desired for a new user. But I don't personally care about it since I spend 8 hours a day on a supercomputer running Centos00:06
oerheksneat00:07
AterfaxYeah iirc 21.10 I can toggle  things as needed00:07
AterfaxBut snap permissions aren't the most obvious of things00:07
AterfaxBetter than asking a new user to go ahead and use SELinux though00:07
lpvYeah true, using ubuntu right now cause it seems like the most straight-forward solution for a new comer it is indeed a bit odd00:09
AterfaxPop might be easier but I haven't used it?00:09
lpvoh my first install was actually pop. I just went for ubuntu after my win11 update broke it and it couldn't tell me why using 'lp' as username wouldn't install the thing xD00:10
lpv(it's a system reserved name in  case you didn't know :p)00:11
AterfaxPrinting related iirc00:12
AterfaxTry making a folder called CON in windows00:13
lpvlmao, will do that00:13
AterfaxNo ya won't ;)00:13
lpvwell it's not going to explode, is it? :p00:14
lpvbsod wouldn't be too weird heh00:14
AterfaxIt won't  let you do it00:17
AterfaxNor a folder called NUL00:18
lpvwell glad I didn't stumble on that00:21
AterfaxLots of edge cases like that due to how things were made in the erly computing days00:22
marcus720anybody here know perl00:51
Peter1Hello is this command written correctly? fatattr -r /storage/A123-B345/MyFolder/01:07
TaZeRjoin #fedora01:51
TaZeRoopsy doodles01:51
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Peter1Is this command correct or not? fatattr -r /storage/A123-B345/MyFolder/02:36
Bashing-omPeter1: Does not look to be correct as per: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/fatattr.1.html -- the command operates on files.02:59
Peter1Thank you for the answer.03:07
Bashing-omPeter1: What is yoyr goal - perhpas then we can the better guide.03:08
Peter1I need to remove the fat32 read only atribute from a folder on an sd card.03:36
Bashing-omPeter1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/113733/how-do-i-correctly-mount-a-ntfs-partition-in-etc-fstab <- If you mount the ntfs partition with the permissions option, then chmod / chown will work.03:43
ses1984i think i'm getting hit by this bug, but i think i have a newer version03:58
ses1984https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/182126103:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1821261 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu Disco) "nfsiostat broken and exits with traceback" [Medium, Fix Released]03:58
ses1984actually i dont have nfs-utils, i have nfs-common 1.3.4-4ubuntu2.1 21.0403:58
ses1984i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/1938922 is there a way i can work around this03:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1938922 in nfs-utils (Ubuntu) "nfsiostat TypeError Checking - Linux NFS Utils Git Pull needed." [Undecided, New]03:59
tuxprost05:28
katnisprof wont let me use nano06:48
katnisvi only :(06:48
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geirhaHow is the prof going to detect whether you used vi or nano to edit a file?07:19
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oerheksdetect the use of vi or nano? can that be done?07:20
oerheksnice trivia question07:21
geirhaI guess, add a couple of i's at arbitrary locations, and maybe a ":wq" or "ZZ" at the end, that should convince the prof07:21
Guest1032hahaha07:29
klausfiendit's not a bad idea to learn how to use vi even if it's only just the basics. it's incredibly ubiquitous and if you can use it on one Linux system you'll be ready for pretty much any other *nix variant out there07:29
alkisgNah tell him that your religion doesn't allow you to use vi; only emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war07:33
* alkisg managed to avoid both of them for 3 decades now...07:33
* guiverc gives an off-topic :)07:34
Jaggl_Hi! Is it safe to upgrade zfs systems to 21.10 by now? The release notes link bug/1906476, but I'm not sure what to make of the "fix released/confirmed"-statuses there.07:40
Jaggl_If it isn't safe, yet: where will be a good place to get that information?07:40
dan01[m]I was asking yesterday about xwayland apps like VS Code looking blurry07:42
dan01[m]Someone provided help and showed me app looks ok. I remember now why, that person's scaling was 200% or something like that, the problem for me was fractional scaling or 125%07:43
dan01[m]So what I really wanted to ask was. Does fractional scaling work now in Ubuntu, correctly?07:43
CapprenticeHow to find the SKU or the Manufacturer Part of License installed in Fortigate firewalls?08:29
webchat21hey all08:57
webchat21i have a quick question, i haven't used ubuntu in ages, i used to be able to create quick rc.d scripts to run oneliners at boot08:57
webchat21can someone point me in the direction to do this with systemd? it seems like every time i try a guide i find online it fails....08:58
webchat21like is there a basic systemd script example somewhere in the ubuntu docs i can't find?08:58
SteelRosewebchat21: https://www.shellhacks.com/systemd-service-file-example/ or Google09:00
KBarwebchat21 hi. What you're looking for is systemd service units.09:01
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KBarCreating one will most likely satisfy your need.09:01
webchat21SteelRose KBar thanks i'll have a peek09:01
webchat21ya i just want to run a oneliner09:01
webchat21is there a way to run it as a specific user at boot?09:02
KBarI believe there is.09:02
webchat21ahh i think i found it09:03
webchat21in the [service] section its just user= and group=09:03
KBarsystemd.service(5); systemd.unit(5)09:03
KBarwebchat you can create a oneshot service. Look for "Example 3. Oneshot service" in systemd.service(5).09:07
KBarExactly what you need.09:07
KBarwebchat2109:08
webchat21nice thanks man09:09
webchat21KBar that is exactly what i've been looking for lol09:10
KBarGreat! Good luck.09:10
webchat21ty09:11
webchat21faaack09:13
webchat21same old shit09:13
webchat21i think it's a problem with my script09:14
webchat21well not my script, but the way i'm trying to run it09:14
webchat21i +x'd it, it runs fine if i execute it as the user, by /usr/bin/myscript09:15
webchat21it has a proper she-bang, but i need to cd to a dir first to run the one-liner, which i think is messing it up when run from systemd09:15
webchat21the script is 3 lines........#!/bin/bash09:16
webchat21cd /home/rustserver/rust09:16
webchat21umod launch -v logfile output.log09:16
webchat21which is fine if run as /usr/bin/rust-start......but trying to get the systemd service to run that script fails09:17
webchat21systemctl status says /usr/bin/rust-start: line 4: umod: command not found09:17
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geirhait can't find the umod command in PATH. What does ''type umod'' say?09:39
bailsmanHow do I regenerate my initramfs? Doesn't boot and I wonder if something went wrong during update09:45
bailsmanapt purge linux-generic followed by apt install linux-generic didn't work (?)09:45
KBarwebchat21 why not use the '&&' control operator? Your service is starting up too early would be my guess.09:48
KBarwebchat21 I think you can create a .timer unit for that service and assign a specific value, i.e. after all drives have been mounted.09:50
alkisgbailsman: sudo update-initramfs -u09:51
alkisgAlso run `sudo apt full-upgrade` to make sure nothing was left half-installed...09:51
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webchat21geirha umod is a command specific to the rustserver user....it isn't a global env variable10:08
webchat21that's why i need to run it in /home/rustserver/rust and as the rustserver user10:08
geirhatype will tell where it's located, so that you can add it to the PATH variable systemd uses10:09
KBarI'd also suggest adding the `-a` option.10:10
KBarTo list all information.10:10
webchat21geirha umod is /home/rustserver/.dotnet/tools/umod10:10
webchat21i guess i could pass the full path to the binary in my script too10:10
KBar+110:10
webchat21KBar thanks for the reminder of && :P10:11
geirharight, so just prepend that dir to PATH10:11
KBarYep. Since it's not in $HOME/bin or $HOME/.local/bin10:11
KBarIt won't get picked up10:11
KBarjust add the path manually PATH='/home/rustserver/.dotnet/tools:$PATH'10:13
webchat21getting closer10:17
webchat21it's half starting, but failing on some missing dotnot env vars10:17
webchat21how can i confirm this is being run as the rustserver user?10:17
webchat21under type=oneshot ihave User=rustserver10:18
webchat21but nowhere in the systmctl status output does it say anything about running as that actual user10:18
SteelRosewebchat21: ps -ef | grep youprocess | grep rustserver10:24
geirhait should run as the right user, but it won't read .bashrc or .profile, so if you set those env vars there, they won't be set when systemd runs it10:26
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masberhi, I want to create a local repo which will point to ubuntu repos, so the idea is to point my laptop into this local repo url which will grab packages from remote. I would like to ask which url should I use for this? I was thinking in using this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/ could someone please confirm?10:44
lotuspsychje!sources | masber10:44
ubottumasber: The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories.10:44
TamburinoHello all, i want to buy a new Computer but it is hard to figure out if all parts runs natively from scratch without fancy stuff or proprietary drivers. Could anyone help me please? Any experience with the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master Mainboard?12:55
oerheksyou might want to visit #hardware for that?12:59
TamburinoThanks12:59
oerheksbasicly, all you need is to check out the videocard/gpu, for now AMD is supported fine, Nvidia we are still waiting for drivers that work with wayland.13:00
oerheksmotherboards are practically all supported, also cpu's13:00
Tamburinoand what about every tiny chipset on the board? like ethernet from realtek, the sound? wifi onboard? fan and temperature i/o chipsets?13:00
oerhekswifi could be your only concern, check out https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/13:01
TamburinoAnd i read that on some boards (most) linux is not able to read fan speed, temperature from sensors and so on?13:02
oerheksno, you read that wrong.13:02
jkcA word of warning, you're not likely to get away from proprietary drivers in some cases, most notably GPUs.13:03
jkcUnless advancements have been made in the open-source replacements (e.g. nouveau) that I am unaware of, which is distinctly possible.13:03
TamburinoThat is why i ask here, i don't want to use any proprietary driver. and for the gpu i want to use amd with the open source driver13:04
jkcI don't know how well AMD GPUs work with the open source drivers, I've never tested.13:05
oerheksgood choice, for now13:05
oerheks!amd13:05
ubottuOpen drivers for AMD cards: amdgpu (cards >= GCN1.2 aka GCN 3rd gen), radeon (older cards). AMD has a closed driver named amdgpu-pro that supports the same cards as amdgpu, but it is generally unnecessary. FGLRX is not supported in any current Ubuntu version or in this channel. For info on GCN levels, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_graphics_processing_units13:05
Tamburinoif i want to buy a 3000 dollar pc, i want that all works from scratch....13:05
jkcOh, neat. I know what my next GPU will be, then.13:06
oerheks* nvidia is working on drivers, no clue when they appear13:06
EriC^^+13:08
jkc-13:08
oerheks=13:08
webchat58im trying to get the jamendo plugin to work on rhythmbox on 20,04. it doesnt pull in any music from jamendo. any recommendations? plugin doesnt allow for configuration13:43
lotuspsychjewebchat58: clementine has a lot of options, but didnt test jamendo myself there13:44
webchat58i try to stay close to the programs that come default with ubuntu lotuspsychje13:45
BluesKaj'Morning folks13:49
masberceph13:49
jkcwebchat58: You may have to be more open to installing additional packages, though the default package repositories have an astounding number of packages available.13:54
elhoirhello again guys, i have to compile and install a patched kernel via .deb packages, dpkg-deb does not work anymore, how can i make it?13:56
oerheksjamendo plugin, i don't see it, in rhythmbox13:56
elhoirsorry, not dpkg-deb but another old command13:57
oerheks!find banshee-extension-jamendo13:57
ubottuPackage/file banshee-extension-jamendo does not exist in impish13:57
oerheksthat one is gone too13:58
lotuspsychjewebchat58: http://support.moonpoint.com/software/audio_video/VLC/Jamendo/13:58
oerhekswebchat58, HOW did you install that plugin?13:58
elhoir"make-kpkg" is the command that does not work anymore13:58
oerheks!build13:59
ubottuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)13:59
oerheksmake-kpkg or make-dpkg ?14:00
oerheks"make-kpkg is (being) retired, the official Debian way is make deb-pkg " ,...14:00
elhoiroerheks, https://www.mogaal.com/articulos/kernel-a-la-debian.html14:01
elhoiri used "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers" years ago14:01
webchat58oerheks, it is part of grilo media browser14:04
webchat58rhythmbox than shows jamendo and radio france under "Shared"14:05
webchat58and the grilo media browser is listed as plugin in rhythmbox14:08
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impspc_hi, need help. I don't get internet access even when I'm connected to WIFI or LAN. The default DNS server is 127.0.0.53. I changed it to 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1, so it works, I can access internet. But after I reboot or connect to a VPN network, DNS server is automatically set back to 127.0.0.53. It's really annoying that I have to change it everytime. How do I fix this?14:51
SteelRoseimpspc_: check which DNS values you have to use with your VPN provider14:56
mybalzitchI think its systemd-resolved14:56
kushalimpspc_, it is related to system-resolved14:57
SteelRoseit should be14:57
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leftyfbimpspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | "DNS Servers"14:59
leftyfbimpspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | "DNS Servers"14:59
leftyfbimpspc: ^14:59
impspcOutput: Failed to get global data: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found.15:00
impspcDNS Servers: command not found15:00
leftyfbugh15:00
leftyfbimpspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | grep "DNS Servers"15:00
leftyfborry15:00
leftyfbsorry15:00
leftyfbimpspc: to be clear, your ubuntu client is more than likely configured just fine and doing exactly what it's told to do. My guess is your DHCP server/router is assigning a bad DNS server15:00
leftyfbimpspc: systemd-resolve --status | grep "DNS Servers"15:01
impspcFailed to get global data: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found.15:01
leftyfbnothing else?15:01
impspcthat's all15:01
leftyfbimpspc: looks to me like your dhcp server/router isn't assigning any nameservers15:02
leftyfbimpspc: have you messed with network settings on this machine at all?15:02
leftyfbimpspc: also, what version of ubuntu?15:03
impspcnot really, only changed the file /etc/resolv.conf which is reset after the restart15:03
leftyfbdon't mess with resolv.conf15:03
leftyfbimpspc: is this a server or desktop?15:04
impspcOh I'm using Zorin OS, hope it's not a problem15:04
* leftyfb sigh15:04
leftyfb!zorin | impspc15:04
leftyfbimpspc: we cannot support zorin. Go seek support from Zorin please15:04
impspcok thaks15:04
impspc*thanks.15:04
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Gallomimiaif i am presented with the GUI version of software updater, telling me there's updates... does this imply that apt-get update does not need to be run?16:22
oerheksGallomimia, yes, one thing you could try is apt dist-upgrade..16:24
oerheksupdate > you have fresh lists16:24
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Gallomimiayes i do dist upgrade every day16:41
Gallomimianext question. is there any way i can convince my PC not to do this update in the background?16:41
leftyfbGallomimia: upgrades don't happen automatically unless you configure it to do so16:44
Gallomimiaright. i turned that off. but the update and check for upgrades16:44
Gallomimiaused to be able to turn those off16:44
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oerheksGallomimia, see the wiki? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates > sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades > no17:51
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Gallomimiainteresting that it asked me immediately if i want to overwrite the newly modified config file with a newer version, or do a 3 way merge, or examine with a shell17:58
hello21Hi, I would like to friendly ask about problem with the Ubuntu 20.04 boot after disk replacement.17:59
Gallomimia!ask | hello2117:59
ubottuhello21: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience17:59
oerhekshi hello21, ask wait and see17:59
Gallomimiai think if you replaced your whole disk, you should describe the procedure you used to move your files to the new one. if in doubt, use the installer Live(Cd/USB) to repair it18:02
Gallomimiaalas, i've never ever had any luck cloning an install of ubuntu18:03
hello21OK :D Thanks a lot for very fast answer, after replacement the disk, I somehow installed GUB2, but it's running only in console mode (menu is missing). I'm able to boot to the ubuntu from GRUB command mode, but I don't know, how to take back the GRUB boot menu. I tried the boot-repair (not helped). I tried grub-customizer, here I can see the menu items, but after restart grub is running still in console mode. :-(18:03
oerheksafter replacement the disk ... did you copy your ubuntu to the new one?18:05
Gallomimiaoh dear. this won't help, but when ever i had this kind of problem, it was because of my strange RAID and crypto arrangement. i usually had to create a chroot from the installer disk, mount my system and do a grub-update. very frustrating18:06
hello21@oerheks I replaced the Windows nvme drive and Ubuntu is running on SSD which is still inside18:07
alkisghello21: what's the output of: dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 999918:07
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oerhekssudo blkid # gives your current UUID's, check if they match with grub18:08
oerheks!grub18:08
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub218:08
oerheksone could do this from a live-iso18:09
hello21@alkisg https://termbin.com/5n9h18:10
brandonelizadoes anyone know if there is an irc channel for the shotcut video editor can't find it something funky is happening with filter options and fonts18:12
alkisghello21: please also upload the output of this: (sudo parted -l; sudo lsblk --fs; sudo cat /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg) | nc termbin.com 999918:12
* Gallomimia watches intently18:13
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hello21@alkisg the path doesnt exists :-( In I can see Boot/ Microsoft/ pop/ folders inside the /boot/efi/EFI18:16
oerhekspop-os?18:17
hello21inside pop I can see following files18:18
hello21BOOTX64.CSV  grub.cfg  grubx64.efi  mmx64.efi  shimx64.efi18:18
alkisghello21: are you using vanilla ubuntu or a derivative like Pop!_OS?18:19
hello21I don't know, how is is possible, but Im running PRETTY_NAME="Pop!_OS 21.04"18:21
alkisghello21: Pop!_OS isn't supported here, you'll need to contact them or their community...18:21
Gallomimiathat is quite odd, since you came in and said you run ubuntu 20.0418:21
orange1one time i ended up with trisquel boot screen going into pure os18:22
orange1dont know how i did it18:23
Gallomimiamy only suggestion at this point is to recover any important files from your ubuntu install and perform a clean install of either ubuntu 20.04 or 21.1018:23
Gallomimiaif it's *THAT* borked and no one knows how or why... just start over18:24
hello21@Gallominia yes It's strange, for sure It's my mistake, but I don't know, how is is possible :-( I installed Ubuntu Desktop a long time ago from official install media. But for sure I was destroyed something. I'm going to fix it and install Ubuntu. Maybe the GRUB problem will be also fixed. THANKS A LOT @Gallominia, @alkisg, @oerkers, @ubottu for your help!!!!18:30
alkisg👍️18:31
Gallomimiafor sure the fresh install will fix the grub18:31
Gallomimiaremember. backups are your best friend18:31
coz_^^^^18:31
hello21backups and you :-)18:31
Gallomimiayeah. i need to start practicing what i preach18:31
oerheksif you did not have a backup already, your data is unimportant18:32
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Gallomimiabut... my saved games!18:32
coz_ah oh !18:33
alkisgYou can just keep /home while installing...18:33
* alkisg also moves /* to a /backup folder before installing, just in case he forgot some setting in /etc or so18:34
hello21:D problem is starting, when I'm making backup of backup of backup... :D thanks a lot again...18:34
Gallomimialol backup of backup18:34
Gallomimiastop it's too real!18:34
Gallomimia"i'll just make a copy of this whole folder/drive and sort out what i need later" *5 years passes* repeat18:35
d_rwinhow do  i connect to router default gateway with wrong subnetting conf. gateway outside networks18:37
Gallomimiauh, what?18:38
oerheksput in the correct gateway?18:39
Gallomimiai'm pretty sure you need to either rephrase that question, or visit #networking because you're doing something very strange and usually impossible. is your gateway outside your network??18:41
webchat11I have an Intel Celeron with 8GB RAM. Will Ubuntu work on it or should I check for other lightweight distros?18:56
lotuspsychjewebchat11: spinner HD or ssd inside?18:58
webchat11SSD18:59
lotuspsychjewebchat11: gnome should work fine then, you can still tweak around things yourself too18:59
webchat11(y) Thanx19:00
lotuspsychjewebchat11: i usualy install preload,haveged,stacer,bleachbit and gnome tweaks myself19:01
webchat11Bleachbit? I am not familiar with it19:03
lotuspsychje!info bleachbit | webchat1119:03
ubottuwebchat11: bleachbit (3.9.0-1, impish): delete unnecessary files from the system. In component universe, is optional. Built by bleachbit. Size 415 kB / 2,382 kB19:03
webchat11Will try thanx for recommending19:04
lotuspsychjegood luck webchat1119:04
webchat11!info haveged19:08
ubottuhaveged (1.9.14-1ubuntu1, impish): Linux entropy source using the HAVEGE algorithm. In component universe, is extra. Built by haveged. Size 33 kB / 92 kB. (Only available for linux-any.)19:09
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merpnderpI've got two new ubuntu production virtual servers that we're moving to from Windows. What's the best way to automate configuration and also deployment in the ubuntu world? We're looking at docker, just updating VM's and deploying them, or using config and deployment scripts.20:28
tomreynmerpnderp: right, that roughly sums up the common options.20:37
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merpnderpthanks tomreyn21:29
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phabletillerk23:48
stiv2kDo I need raid if I use zfs? or does zfs take care of the redundancy for me? I'm wanting to setup a simple file server with a DELL desktop computer and a few hard disks23:52
sarnoldstiv2k: you have to tell zfs what kind of redundancy you'd like -- you've got choices, between none at all, mirrors, multi-way mirrors, raidz1, raidz2, raidz323:53
sarnoldstiv2k: there's also some more complicated options, if you've got a mixture of fast drives and slow drives, etc..23:54
sarnoldstiv2k: this is a very nice introduction https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/23:54
stiv2ksarnold: i'm trying to keep my setup clean and simple. just for personal use at home, not enterprise level stuff23:56
stiv2ksarnold: i was thinking raid 1 (mirroring)23:56

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