[00:04] <Aterfax> True
[00:05] <Aterfax> The issue I have with it really relates to when you are getting blocked due to perms on things like snap, docker, lxc the diagnosis is more difficult
[00:06] <Aterfax> so a new Ubuntu user may have no idea about snap perms, if it doesn't get set properly it is justbroken
[00:06] <oerheks> 21.10 gives a permission tab in settings, i found out
[00:06] <Aterfax> The UX on linux still leaving much to be desired for a new user. But I don't personally care about it since I spend 8 hours a day on a supercomputer running Centos
[00:07] <oerheks> neat
[00:07] <Aterfax> Yeah iirc 21.10 I can toggle  things as needed
[00:07] <Aterfax> But snap permissions aren't the most obvious of things
[00:07] <Aterfax> Better than asking a new user to go ahead and use SELinux though
[00:09] <lpv> Yeah true, using ubuntu right now cause it seems like the most straight-forward solution for a new comer it is indeed a bit odd
[00:09] <Aterfax> Pop might be easier but I haven't used it?
[00:10] <lpv> oh my first install was actually pop. I just went for ubuntu after my win11 update broke it and it couldn't tell me why using 'lp' as username wouldn't install the thing xD
[00:11] <lpv> (it's a system reserved name in  case you didn't know :p)
[00:12] <Aterfax> Printing related iirc
[00:13] <Aterfax> Try making a folder called CON in windows
[00:13] <lpv> lmao, will do that
[00:13] <Aterfax> No ya won't ;)
[00:14] <lpv> well it's not going to explode, is it? :p
[00:14] <lpv> bsod wouldn't be too weird heh
[00:17] <Aterfax> It won't  let you do it
[00:18] <Aterfax> Nor a folder called NUL
[00:21] <lpv> well glad I didn't stumble on that
[00:22] <Aterfax> Lots of edge cases like that due to how things were made in the erly computing days
[00:51] <marcus720> anybody here know perl
[01:07] <Peter1> Hello is this command written correctly? fatattr -r /storage/A123-B345/MyFolder/
[01:51] <TaZeR> join #fedora
[01:51] <TaZeR> oopsy doodles
[02:23] <clavicus> yo
[02:36] <Peter1> Is this command correct or not? fatattr -r /storage/A123-B345/MyFolder/
[02:59] <Bashing-om> Peter1: Does not look to be correct as per: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/fatattr.1.html -- the command operates on files.
[03:07] <Peter1> Thank you for the answer.
[03:08] <Bashing-om> Peter1: What is yoyr goal - perhpas then we can the better guide.
[03:36] <Peter1> I need to remove the fat32 read only atribute from a folder on an sd card.
[03:43] <Bashing-om> Peter1: http://askubuntu.com/questions/113733/how-do-i-correctly-mount-a-ntfs-partition-in-etc-fstab <- If you mount the ntfs partition with the permissions option, then chmod / chown will work.
[03:58] <ses1984> i think i'm getting hit by this bug, but i think i have a newer version
[03:58] <ses1984> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/1821261
[03:58] <ses1984> actually i dont have nfs-utils, i have nfs-common 1.3.4-4ubuntu2.1 21.04
[03:59] <ses1984> i see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nfs-utils/+bug/1938922 is there a way i can work around this
[05:28] <tux> prost
[06:48] <katnis> prof wont let me use nano
[06:48] <katnis> vi only :(
[07:19] <geirha> How is the prof going to detect whether you used vi or nano to edit a file?
[07:20] <oerheks> detect the use of vi or nano? can that be done?
[07:21] <oerheks> nice trivia question
[07:21] <geirha> I guess, add a couple of i's at arbitrary locations, and maybe a ":wq" or "ZZ" at the end, that should convince the prof
[07:29] <Guest1032> hahaha
[07:29] <klausfiend> it's not a bad idea to learn how to use vi even if it's only just the basics. it's incredibly ubiquitous and if you can use it on one Linux system you'll be ready for pretty much any other *nix variant out there
[07:33] <alkisg> Nah tell him that your religion doesn't allow you to use vi; only emacs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Editor_war
[07:33]  * alkisg managed to avoid both of them for 3 decades now...
[07:34]  * guiverc gives an off-topic :)
[07:40] <Jaggl_> Hi! Is it safe to upgrade zfs systems to 21.10 by now? The release notes link bug/1906476, but I'm not sure what to make of the "fix released/confirmed"-statuses there.
[07:40] <Jaggl_> If it isn't safe, yet: where will be a good place to get that information?
[07:42] <dan01[m]> I was asking yesterday about xwayland apps like VS Code looking blurry
[07:43] <dan01[m]> Someone provided help and showed me app looks ok. I remember now why, that person's scaling was 200% or something like that, the problem for me was fractional scaling or 125%
[07:43] <dan01[m]> So what I really wanted to ask was. Does fractional scaling work now in Ubuntu, correctly?
[08:29] <Capprentice> How to find the SKU or the Manufacturer Part of License installed in Fortigate firewalls?
[08:57] <webchat21> hey all
[08:57] <webchat21> i have a quick question, i haven't used ubuntu in ages, i used to be able to create quick rc.d scripts to run oneliners at boot
[08:58] <webchat21> can someone point me in the direction to do this with systemd? it seems like every time i try a guide i find online it fails....
[08:58] <webchat21> like is there a basic systemd script example somewhere in the ubuntu docs i can't find?
[09:00] <SteelRose> webchat21: https://www.shellhacks.com/systemd-service-file-example/ or Google
[09:01] <KBar> webchat21 hi. What you're looking for is systemd service units.
[09:01] <KBar> Creating one will most likely satisfy your need.
[09:01] <webchat21> SteelRose KBar thanks i'll have a peek
[09:01] <webchat21> ya i just want to run a oneliner
[09:02] <webchat21> is there a way to run it as a specific user at boot?
[09:02] <KBar> I believe there is.
[09:03] <webchat21> ahh i think i found it
[09:03] <webchat21> in the [service] section its just user= and group=
[09:03] <KBar> systemd.service(5); systemd.unit(5)
[09:07] <KBar> webchat you can create a oneshot service. Look for "Example 3. Oneshot service" in systemd.service(5).
[09:07] <KBar> Exactly what you need.
[09:08] <KBar> webchat21
[09:09] <webchat21> nice thanks man
[09:10] <webchat21> KBar that is exactly what i've been looking for lol
[09:10] <KBar> Great! Good luck.
[09:11] <webchat21> ty
[09:13] <webchat21> faaack
[09:13] <webchat21> same old shit
[09:14] <webchat21> i think it's a problem with my script
[09:14] <webchat21> well not my script, but the way i'm trying to run it
[09:15] <webchat21> i +x'd it, it runs fine if i execute it as the user, by /usr/bin/myscript
[09:15] <webchat21> it has a proper she-bang, but i need to cd to a dir first to run the one-liner, which i think is messing it up when run from systemd
[09:16] <webchat21> the script is 3 lines........#!/bin/bash
[09:16] <webchat21> cd /home/rustserver/rust
[09:16] <webchat21> umod launch -v logfile output.log
[09:17] <webchat21> which is fine if run as /usr/bin/rust-start......but trying to get the systemd service to run that script fails
[09:17] <webchat21> systemctl status says /usr/bin/rust-start: line 4: umod: command not found
[09:39] <geirha> it can't find the umod command in PATH. What does ''type umod'' say?
[09:45] <bailsman> How do I regenerate my initramfs? Doesn't boot and I wonder if something went wrong during update
[09:45] <bailsman> apt purge linux-generic followed by apt install linux-generic didn't work (?)
[09:48] <KBar> webchat21 why not use the '&&' control operator? Your service is starting up too early would be my guess.
[09:50] <KBar> webchat21 I think you can create a .timer unit for that service and assign a specific value, i.e. after all drives have been mounted.
[09:51] <alkisg> bailsman: sudo update-initramfs -u
[09:51] <alkisg> Also run `sudo apt full-upgrade` to make sure nothing was left half-installed...
[10:08] <webchat21> geirha umod is a command specific to the rustserver user....it isn't a global env variable
[10:08] <webchat21> that's why i need to run it in /home/rustserver/rust and as the rustserver user
[10:09] <geirha> type will tell where it's located, so that you can add it to the PATH variable systemd uses
[10:10] <KBar> I'd also suggest adding the `-a` option.
[10:10] <KBar> To list all information.
[10:10] <webchat21> geirha umod is /home/rustserver/.dotnet/tools/umod
[10:10] <webchat21> i guess i could pass the full path to the binary in my script too
[10:10] <KBar> +1
[10:11] <webchat21> KBar thanks for the reminder of && :P
[10:11] <geirha> right, so just prepend that dir to PATH
[10:11] <KBar> Yep. Since it's not in $HOME/bin or $HOME/.local/bin
[10:11] <KBar> It won't get picked up
[10:13] <KBar> just add the path manually PATH='/home/rustserver/.dotnet/tools:$PATH'
[10:17] <webchat21> getting closer
[10:17] <webchat21> it's half starting, but failing on some missing dotnot env vars
[10:17] <webchat21> how can i confirm this is being run as the rustserver user?
[10:18] <webchat21> under type=oneshot ihave User=rustserver
[10:18] <webchat21> but nowhere in the systmctl status output does it say anything about running as that actual user
[10:24] <SteelRose> webchat21: ps -ef | grep youprocess | grep rustserver
[10:26] <geirha> it should run as the right user, but it won't read .bashrc or .profile, so if you set those env vars there, they won't be set when systemd runs it
[10:44] <masber> hi, I want to create a local repo which will point to ubuntu repos, so the idea is to point my laptop into this local repo url which will grab packages from remote. I would like to ask which url should I use for this? I was thinking in using this http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/ could someone please confirm?
[10:44] <lotuspsychje> !sources | masber
[12:55] <Tamburino> Hello all, i want to buy a new Computer but it is hard to figure out if all parts runs natively from scratch without fancy stuff or proprietary drivers. Could anyone help me please? Any experience with the Gigabyte X570 Aorus Master Mainboard?
[12:59] <oerheks> you might want to visit #hardware for that?
[12:59] <Tamburino> Thanks
[13:00] <oerheks> basicly, all you need is to check out the videocard/gpu, for now AMD is supported fine, Nvidia we are still waiting for drivers that work with wayland.
[13:00] <oerheks> motherboards are practically all supported, also cpu's
[13:00] <Tamburino> and what about every tiny chipset on the board? like ethernet from realtek, the sound? wifi onboard? fan and temperature i/o chipsets?
[13:01] <oerheks> wifi could be your only concern, check out https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/
[13:02] <Tamburino> And i read that on some boards (most) linux is not able to read fan speed, temperature from sensors and so on?
[13:02] <oerheks> no, you read that wrong.
[13:03] <jkc> A word of warning, you're not likely to get away from proprietary drivers in some cases, most notably GPUs.
[13:03] <jkc> Unless advancements have been made in the open-source replacements (e.g. nouveau) that I am unaware of, which is distinctly possible.
[13:04] <Tamburino> That is why i ask here, i don't want to use any proprietary driver. and for the gpu i want to use amd with the open source driver
[13:05] <jkc> I don't know how well AMD GPUs work with the open source drivers, I've never tested.
[13:05] <oerheks> good choice, for now
[13:05] <oerheks> !amd
[13:05] <Tamburino> if i want to buy a 3000 dollar pc, i want that all works from scratch....
[13:06] <jkc> Oh, neat. I know what my next GPU will be, then.
[13:06] <oerheks> * nvidia is working on drivers, no clue when they appear
[13:08] <EriC^^> +
[13:08] <jkc> -
[13:08] <oerheks> =
[13:43] <webchat58> im trying to get the jamendo plugin to work on rhythmbox on 20,04. it doesnt pull in any music from jamendo. any recommendations? plugin doesnt allow for configuration
[13:44] <lotuspsychje> webchat58: clementine has a lot of options, but didnt test jamendo myself there
[13:45] <webchat58> i try to stay close to the programs that come default with ubuntu lotuspsychje
[13:49] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:49] <masber> ceph
[13:54] <jkc> webchat58: You may have to be more open to installing additional packages, though the default package repositories have an astounding number of packages available.
[13:56] <elhoir> hello again guys, i have to compile and install a patched kernel via .deb packages, dpkg-deb does not work anymore, how can i make it?
[13:56] <oerheks> jamendo plugin, i don't see it, in rhythmbox
[13:57] <elhoir> sorry, not dpkg-deb but another old command
[13:57] <oerheks> !find banshee-extension-jamendo
[13:58] <oerheks> that one is gone too
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> webchat58: http://support.moonpoint.com/software/audio_video/VLC/Jamendo/
[13:58] <oerheks> webchat58, HOW did you install that plugin?
[13:58] <elhoir> "make-kpkg" is the command that does not work anymore
[13:59] <oerheks> !build
[14:00] <oerheks> make-kpkg or make-dpkg ?
[14:00] <oerheks> "make-kpkg is (being) retired, the official Debian way is make deb-pkg " ,...
[14:01] <elhoir> oerheks, https://www.mogaal.com/articulos/kernel-a-la-debian.html
[14:01] <elhoir> i used "make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers" years ago
[14:04] <webchat58> oerheks, it is part of grilo media browser
[14:05] <webchat58> rhythmbox than shows jamendo and radio france under "Shared"
[14:08] <webchat58> and the grilo media browser is listed as plugin in rhythmbox
[14:51] <impspc_> hi, need help. I don't get internet access even when I'm connected to WIFI or LAN. The default DNS server is 127.0.0.53. I changed it to 8.8.8.8 or 1.1.1.1, so it works, I can access internet. But after I reboot or connect to a VPN network, DNS server is automatically set back to 127.0.0.53. It's really annoying that I have to change it everytime. How do I fix this?
[14:56] <SteelRose> impspc_: check which DNS values you have to use with your VPN provider
[14:56] <mybalzitch> I think its systemd-resolved
[14:57] <kushal> impspc_, it is related to system-resolved
[14:57] <SteelRose> it should be
[14:59] <leftyfb> impspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | "DNS Servers"
[14:59] <leftyfb> impspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | "DNS Servers"
[14:59] <leftyfb> impspc: ^
[15:00] <impspc> Output: Failed to get global data: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found.
[15:00] <impspc> DNS Servers: command not found
[15:00] <leftyfb> ugh
[15:00] <leftyfb> impspc_: lets start by finding out which dns servers you are being assigned. Connect to wifi/LAN but not VPN and run: systemd-resolve --status | grep "DNS Servers"
[15:00] <leftyfb> orry
[15:00] <leftyfb> sorry
[15:00] <leftyfb> impspc: to be clear, your ubuntu client is more than likely configured just fine and doing exactly what it's told to do. My guess is your DHCP server/router is assigning a bad DNS server
[15:01] <leftyfb> impspc: systemd-resolve --status | grep "DNS Servers"
[15:01] <impspc> Failed to get global data: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found.
[15:01] <leftyfb> nothing else?
[15:01] <impspc> that's all
[15:02] <leftyfb> impspc: looks to me like your dhcp server/router isn't assigning any nameservers
[15:02] <leftyfb> impspc: have you messed with network settings on this machine at all?
[15:03] <leftyfb> impspc: also, what version of ubuntu?
[15:03] <impspc> not really, only changed the file /etc/resolv.conf which is reset after the restart
[15:03] <leftyfb> don't mess with resolv.conf
[15:04] <leftyfb> impspc: is this a server or desktop?
[15:04] <impspc> Oh I'm using Zorin OS, hope it's not a problem
[15:04]  * leftyfb sigh
[15:04] <leftyfb> !zorin | impspc
[15:04] <leftyfb> impspc: we cannot support zorin. Go seek support from Zorin please
[15:04] <impspc> ok thaks
[15:04] <impspc> *thanks.
[16:22] <Gallomimia> if i am presented with the GUI version of software updater, telling me there's updates... does this imply that apt-get update does not need to be run?
[16:24] <oerheks> Gallomimia, yes, one thing you could try is apt dist-upgrade..
[16:24] <oerheks> update > you have fresh lists
[16:41] <Gallomimia> yes i do dist upgrade every day
[16:41] <Gallomimia> next question. is there any way i can convince my PC not to do this update in the background?
[16:44] <leftyfb> Gallomimia: upgrades don't happen automatically unless you configure it to do so
[16:44] <Gallomimia> right. i turned that off. but the update and check for upgrades
[16:44] <Gallomimia> used to be able to turn those off
[17:51] <oerheks> Gallomimia, see the wiki? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticSecurityUpdates > sudo dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades > no
[17:58] <Gallomimia> interesting that it asked me immediately if i want to overwrite the newly modified config file with a newer version, or do a 3 way merge, or examine with a shell
[17:59] <hello21> Hi, I would like to friendly ask about problem with the Ubuntu 20.04 boot after disk replacement.
[17:59] <Gallomimia> !ask | hello21
[17:59] <oerheks> hi hello21, ask wait and see
[18:02] <Gallomimia> i think if you replaced your whole disk, you should describe the procedure you used to move your files to the new one. if in doubt, use the installer Live(Cd/USB) to repair it
[18:03] <Gallomimia> alas, i've never ever had any luck cloning an install of ubuntu
[18:03] <hello21> OK :D Thanks a lot for very fast answer, after replacement the disk, I somehow installed GUB2, but it's running only in console mode (menu is missing). I'm able to boot to the ubuntu from GRUB command mode, but I don't know, how to take back the GRUB boot menu. I tried the boot-repair (not helped). I tried grub-customizer, here I can see the menu items, but after restart grub is running still in console mode. :-(
[18:05] <oerheks> after replacement the disk ... did you copy your ubuntu to the new one?
[18:06] <Gallomimia> oh dear. this won't help, but when ever i had this kind of problem, it was because of my strange RAID and crypto arrangement. i usually had to create a chroot from the installer disk, mount my system and do a grub-update. very frustrating
[18:07] <hello21> @oerheks I replaced the Windows nvme drive and Ubuntu is running on SSD which is still inside
[18:07] <alkisg> hello21: what's the output of: dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:08] <oerheks> sudo blkid # gives your current UUID's, check if they match with grub
[18:08] <oerheks> !grub
[18:09] <oerheks> one could do this from a live-iso
[18:10] <hello21> @alkisg https://termbin.com/5n9h
[18:12] <brandoneliza> does anyone know if there is an irc channel for the shotcut video editor can't find it something funky is happening with filter options and fonts
[18:12] <alkisg> hello21: please also upload the output of this: (sudo parted -l; sudo lsblk --fs; sudo cat /boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/grub.cfg) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:13]  * Gallomimia watches intently
[18:16] <hello21> @alkisg the path doesnt exists :-( In I can see Boot/ Microsoft/ pop/ folders inside the /boot/efi/EFI
[18:17] <oerheks> pop-os?
[18:18] <hello21> inside pop I can see following files
[18:18] <hello21> BOOTX64.CSV  grub.cfg  grubx64.efi  mmx64.efi  shimx64.efi
[18:19] <alkisg> hello21: are you using vanilla ubuntu or a derivative like Pop!_OS?
[18:21] <hello21> I don't know, how is is possible, but Im running PRETTY_NAME="Pop!_OS 21.04"
[18:21] <alkisg> hello21: Pop!_OS isn't supported here, you'll need to contact them or their community...
[18:21] <Gallomimia> that is quite odd, since you came in and said you run ubuntu 20.04
[18:22] <orange1> one time i ended up with trisquel boot screen going into pure os
[18:23] <orange1> dont know how i did it
[18:23] <Gallomimia> my only suggestion at this point is to recover any important files from your ubuntu install and perform a clean install of either ubuntu 20.04 or 21.10
[18:24] <Gallomimia> if it's *THAT* borked and no one knows how or why... just start over
[18:30] <hello21> @Gallominia yes It's strange, for sure It's my mistake, but I don't know, how is is possible :-( I installed Ubuntu Desktop a long time ago from official install media. But for sure I was destroyed something. I'm going to fix it and install Ubuntu. Maybe the GRUB problem will be also fixed. THANKS A LOT @Gallominia, @alkisg, @oerkers, @ubottu for your help!!!!
[18:31] <alkisg> 👍️
[18:31] <Gallomimia> for sure the fresh install will fix the grub
[18:31] <Gallomimia> remember. backups are your best friend
[18:31] <coz_> ^^^^
[18:31] <hello21> backups and you :-)
[18:31] <Gallomimia> yeah. i need to start practicing what i preach
[18:32] <oerheks> if you did not have a backup already, your data is unimportant
[18:32] <Gallomimia> but... my saved games!
[18:33] <coz_> ah oh !
[18:33] <alkisg> You can just keep /home while installing...
[18:34]  * alkisg also moves /* to a /backup folder before installing, just in case he forgot some setting in /etc or so
[18:34] <hello21> :D problem is starting, when I'm making backup of backup of backup... :D thanks a lot again...
[18:34] <Gallomimia> lol backup of backup
[18:34] <Gallomimia> stop it's too real!
[18:35] <Gallomimia> "i'll just make a copy of this whole folder/drive and sort out what i need later" *5 years passes* repeat
[18:37] <d_rwin> how do  i connect to router default gateway with wrong subnetting conf. gateway outside networks
[18:38] <Gallomimia> uh, what?
[18:39] <oerheks> put in the correct gateway?
[18:41] <Gallomimia> i'm pretty sure you need to either rephrase that question, or visit #networking because you're doing something very strange and usually impossible. is your gateway outside your network??
[18:56] <webchat11> I have an Intel Celeron with 8GB RAM. Will Ubuntu work on it or should I check for other lightweight distros?
[18:58] <lotuspsychje> webchat11: spinner HD or ssd inside?
[18:59] <webchat11> SSD
[18:59] <lotuspsychje> webchat11: gnome should work fine then, you can still tweak around things yourself too
[19:00] <webchat11> (y) Thanx
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> webchat11: i usualy install preload,haveged,stacer,bleachbit and gnome tweaks myself
[19:03] <webchat11> Bleachbit? I am not familiar with it
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> !info bleachbit | webchat11
[19:04] <webchat11> Will try thanx for recommending
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> good luck webchat11
[19:08] <webchat11> !info haveged
[20:28] <merpnderp> I've got two new ubuntu production virtual servers that we're moving to from Windows. What's the best way to automate configuration and also deployment in the ubuntu world? We're looking at docker, just updating VM's and deploying them, or using config and deployment scripts.
[20:37] <tomreyn> merpnderp: right, that roughly sums up the common options.
[21:29] <merpnderp> thanks tomreyn
[23:48] <phablet> illerk
[23:52] <stiv2k> Do I need raid if I use zfs? or does zfs take care of the redundancy for me? I'm wanting to setup a simple file server with a DELL desktop computer and a few hard disks
[23:53] <sarnold> stiv2k: you have to tell zfs what kind of redundancy you'd like -- you've got choices, between none at all, mirrors, multi-way mirrors, raidz1, raidz2, raidz3
[23:54] <sarnold> stiv2k: there's also some more complicated options, if you've got a mixture of fast drives and slow drives, etc..
[23:54] <sarnold> stiv2k: this is a very nice introduction https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/
[23:56] <stiv2k> sarnold: i'm trying to keep my setup clean and simple. just for personal use at home, not enterprise level stuff
[23:56] <stiv2k> sarnold: i was thinking raid 1 (mirroring)