=== RaymondCoetzee[m is now known as takemetoyourpi === chenqisu1 is now known as chenqisu12 === VMGuy23_ is now known as VMGuy23 === BrianG61UK_ is now known as BrianG61UK === BrianG61UK__ is now known as BrianG61UK_ [01:28] how do i recreate the appimage entry in menu? [01:28] i accidently selected no when it pops up [01:28] run it again [01:31] run it again won't ask me again [01:31] have you tieedded/4wesdfd? [01:32] have i what?? [01:32] don't mind him, he just types gibberish [01:33] *have you tried? [01:33] sorry im not good at typing [01:33] linsux: try asking in #appimage. Appimage isn't technically supported here === genii is now known as genii-core === beaver_ is now known as beaver === rexbinary_ is now known as rexbinary [04:07] Hey dudes [04:07] How many people use LTS on their desktop in comparison to latest release? Do we have any numbers on this? [04:22] Hash: Not sure, but it'd be interesting to know. But it'd rely on telemetry which a lot of foss folk are opposed to [04:25] i identify as genital fluid [04:27] !ops cholby being obnoxious. [04:28] jaskal: Maybe get an idea: https://ubuntu.com/blog/ubuntu-20-04-survey-results . [04:29] Hash: ^^ sorry jaskal for that bad hi-light. [04:29] mjt: that is my question because I was trying to see about my own usage [04:29] I am on 20.04 but I always use LTS, but LTS also gets old and stale of 2 years you know. [04:30] So say for example, server is always LTS, but for desktop, I am thinking about how the stablity of latest ubuntu vs. LTS [04:30] I use LTS myself, but I figured you'd want a bigger sample size. [04:30] I don't want to have to reinstall a ubuntu OS every few months either, but I also want stability, but I also want newer apps. [04:30] It's a hard ask, I grant you. [04:31] !hwe | Hash [04:31] Hash: The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [04:32] Like for example, the desktop I use is kubuntu (for kde apps, themes, panels) and I use Xmonad so all I need the distro for is just packages. [04:32] ok [04:33] Hey everyone [04:34] welcome Xuebit [04:35] Quick question to someone more knowledgable than me with Ubuntu. Why does Ubuntu utilize two different network managers? It uses NetworkManager for some things, but systemd for others. That has caused me some issues and confusion, so I am just wondering the reason, also where I can read more about it. [04:37] i used to have a boyfriend named "ubuntu" once [04:37] Xuebit: desktop == GUI == Nework manater - server no GUI and directly uses networkd. [04:37] he would "play the bongos" on my ass [04:38] network manager* [04:38] Cholby, lol What other special skills did he have? Kernel panic every day? [04:38] !netplan | Xuebit [04:38] Xuebit: Netplan is a network configuration abstraction renderer which uses YAML descriptions of a network to work with either a NetworkManager or Systemd-networkd "renderer". More information at https://netplan.io/ [04:39] Ok, I guess that is where my confusion comes in, I am using awesomewm, but still have gnome installed, just in case, so I still have NetworkManager installed [04:41] Xuebit: One can use either - If a stationary system many people revert network manager to networkd. [04:42] Ok, so I could potentially remove NetworkManager and just use systemd to control the network stack. [04:42] I never noticed the renderer section in the netplan file before, maybe this is where my issues were coming in [04:45] Xuebit: See for instance: https://www.configserverfirewall.com/ubuntu-linux/ubuntu-network-manager/ <- Disable Network Manager and enable systemd-networkd. [04:46] Xuebit: Also handy to have: https://blog.ubuntu.com/2017/12/01/ubuntu-bionic-netplan . [04:49] OOO, this really helps me out, especially that first link. Thank you! [04:49] Xuebit: Glad 2 help :D [05:14] hi [05:30] welcome th34lch3m1st [05:32] Ubuntu desktop 20.04.1 I'm trying to install a driver for a dvb-t2 device. I need to compile sources and I have no problem with that. [05:32] Do I need to compile again that driver every time a nee kernel update roll up? Is there a more convenient way? [05:33] *new kernel [05:34] dkms [05:34] th34lch3m1st: if you setup a dkms profile, it'll rebuild that module for you every time ubuntu/apt updates the kernel [05:36] mybalzitch ok. I'll take a look [05:43] th34lch3m1st: if something doesnt work out of the box for ubuntu, i would reccomend making a new !bug for it instead of compile your own [05:56] lotuspsychje it's not a bug, it's a relative new usb dvb-t2 device that has driver only in the latest kernel versions (I'm on LTS). Thanks anyway fo your suggestion. [05:58] th34lch3m1st: thats still counts as a bug, if your default ubuntu is not picking up the module right? [06:00] lotuspsychje Now, that's what I have read about it, maybe there's a way to use drivers from latest kernel in my LTS without compile from sources and I don't know about it. [06:01] th34lch3m1st: well the !HWE kernels are there to support later drivers onto earlier ubuntu releases for example [06:02] but some cases the devs need to handle driver bug cases individualy too [06:02] lotuspsychje ok [06:06] th34lch3m1st: try to do things systematicly, doesnt work by default= bug then try !HWE kernel, if that doesnt work go higher test with !mainline kernels [06:06] lotuspsychje the device is Geniatech MyGica T230A dvb-t2 h.265 hevc main10 ( a T230C2 clone) and there's instructions to install drivers only on linuxtv.org and github.com/tbsdtv/linu_media [06:07] *tbsdtv/linu_media [06:09] *linux_media [06:28] Lotuspsychje I plan to follow this instructions https://pastebin.com/9y5Qh09w to recompile only the kernel modules that I need. [06:28] lotuspsychje Instead of the entire /media folder of the kernel as they suggest on linuxtv.org . [06:45] lotuspsychje Do you think it could work? There's something wrong with that instructions? [07:03] th34lch3m1st: can you give us dvb-t2 lspci output [07:05] th34lch3m1st: better say lsusb [07:05] th34lch3m1st: my is Bus 001 Device 006: ID 15a4:1001 Afatech Technologies, Inc. AF9015/AF9035 DVB-T stick [07:09] th34lch3m1st: to make working I find 'dvb-usb-af9035-02.fw' file that i place in '/lib/firmware/' folder [07:13] ledeni that is the firmware I am using with the previous dvb-t device(a aftech/technaxx device) [07:14] *afatech [07:15] but it's a h.264 device, doesn't work with new dvb-t2 channels and h.265 hevc main10 standards [07:17] th34lch3m1st: ok you need dvb-demod-si2168-b40-01.fw & dvb-tuner-si2158-a20-01.fw [07:17] ledeni what's the exact command? lspci...and... [07:17] th34lch3m1st, lsusb [07:19] ledeni [07:20] ledeni https://pastebin.com/spYifxi1 [07:21] ledeni id 0572:689a [07:25] th34lch3m1st, did you download dvb-demod-si2168-b40-01.fw & dvb-tuner-si2158-a20-01.fw and place it in /lib/firmware/ [07:27] ledeni dvb-demod-si2168-b40-01.fw & dvb-tuner-si2158-a20-01.fw are already in my lib/firware folder but that doesn't work this time [07:27] ledeni yep [07:28] th34lch3m1st, hmm [07:30] ledeni there's chinese-english-translated instructions at the vendor website claming that they work with ubuntu 20.04, but they don't. https://mygica.com/support ...T230A [07:32] ledeni if you download the linux driver there's a pdf inside along with the/media_build folder of unknown kernel version that they want you to compile and install [07:33] ledeni already did that, GPU driver broken [07:37] ledeni here's the pdf instructions https://pastebin.com/EMhAN9Xh [07:37] th34lch3m1st: a pretty similar bug #458444 [07:37] Bug 458444 in linux-firmware-nonfree (Ubuntu) "dvb-usb-af9015 should be updated to the latest version to resolve some issues" [Low, Fix Released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/458444 [07:38] but thats an old bug, so if this still occurs, i would file a new one [07:38] lotuspsychje AF9015 driver are for older and different devices [07:38] lotuspsychje this has a sony chipset [07:39] th34lch3m1st: its just to show you, how you should handle things [07:40] start from the start, your device doesnt work on default 20.04 kernel version... [07:40] lotuspsychje yep [07:41] lotuspsychje that's why I want to compile from sources [07:41] lotuspsychje read my last pastebin [07:42] yeah i understand you want to try making it work, still i think it would be wise to let the devs know with a bug, help yourself and the community [07:43] lotuspsychje accordingly to the instructions, this device works on 16.04 [07:44] lotuspsychje there's people that have make it work on armbian for raspberry pi. [07:45] lotuspsychje with linuxtv.org instructions et simila [07:45] lotuspsychje why shouldn't work on ubuntu? [07:46] hence why i advice you to bug it [07:48] lotuspsychje *why shouldn't work on ubuntu if I compile them as the armbian raspberry pi guys has done? [07:49] th34lch3m1st: thats not what i said, i understand it 'can' be fixed but its not working by default for you so.. [07:50] lotuspsychje so I should file a bug and wait 8 mounts instead of doing a compile? [07:51] th34lch3m1st: no, when filing a bug you are being smart and bet on several horses, let the community and devs know about it, instead of chasing a fix without anyone knowing how [07:52] *8 months [07:52] th34lch3m1st: once your report is filed, you can do whatever you like and keep your bug up to date with all your own tests [07:59] lotuspsychje folks at github/tbsdtv/media_build had probably already done that [07:59] lotuspsychje I barely manage to digit lsusb and you want me to file a bug....lol [08:00] file a bug is pretty easy; ubuntu-bug packagename (from terminal) [08:00] tomreyn, new plan, killall chrome -9 ---- every night before sleep. Then I can see the update that gets hidden behind and do that. [08:02] lotuspsychje yeah, and what's the package name? [08:03] th34lch3m1st: linux-firmware or linux-firmware-nonfree in your case i think [08:04] th34lch3m1st: if the package needs a change, the devs will change it anyway [08:13] lotuspsychje at github.com/tbsdtv/media_build they are patching the latest mainline kernel for this very drivers, go figure when they will be available for LTS [08:16] lotuspsychje and I should file a bug on 20.04...lol [08:16] yeah you should [08:17] what is the best tool to create multi boot usb distro installer to usb? [08:17] lotuspsychje people that work on linux already done that, i bet [08:18] coconut: take a look at the unofficial tool ventoy https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html [08:19] : will do... thnx [08:20] lotuspsychje https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-media/patch/YMuptIYFLdwSmw//@kali/ [08:21] lotuspsychje I told you they already did [08:25] th34lch3m1st: that doesnt change my view about filing an ubuntu bug about it, they work on a commit; so the devs acan easy assign it towards then [08:33] lotuspsychje I'm not that knowledgeable in this matter, but I assume that if it's just patched for mainline 5.15 kernel, file a bug for 5.11 doesn't make sense to me. [08:38] lotuspsychje Anyway, you are right, we should all do our little bit, so I will file a bug. [09:11] hello. I copied from on hdd to ssd by rsync on new paritions. reinstalled grub. but / parition is only mounted at bootime as read-only. "systemctl status systemd-remount-fs.service" shows ( status=1/FAILURE ) I already changed /etc/fstab entry. still same. [09:13] alkisg: can you help me now installing the OS? I've read installed the VNC (read a little into it) [09:14] Aqua-: sure, do you have the commands from yesterday? [09:14] no. [09:14] x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org [09:14] send me the connect cmd [09:14] sudo add-apt-repository --yes universe; sudo apt install -y x11vnc; x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org [09:14] Run these from the live usb [09:18] Aqua-: eeeh, your partitions are a bit chaotic. Many vfat partitions while you only need one, and 2 partitions for ubuntu 21.10 and 20.04 [09:18] sda6 & 7 are second installation of the OS. I tried ti install in parallel [09:18] they can be removed 100 [09:18] What do you want to do, in parallel or to replace it? [09:18] % [09:18] OK [09:19] 6 & 7 remove, the 21.10 replac [09:19] Remove 20.04, and backup 21.10 [09:19] OK [09:20] Aqua-, there's an additional issue [09:20] Your disk is prepared for uefi installation (gpt, esp etc) [09:20] But you booted in bios mode [09:20] So we cannot install now, you need to reboot in uefi mode [09:21] How did you create your stick? [09:21] (sorry I typed these from your account) :) [09:21] downloaded the os from the ubuntu ite and burned it to the flash drive [09:21] To boot from the stick, do you press f12? [09:21] yep [09:21] You should see two options [09:22] "Boot usb stick" and "boot usb stick (UEFI)" [09:22] We want the one that says UEFI [09:22] ok [09:22] Reboot and come again here [09:22] so i will be back in 5 [09:22] thanks [09:22] np [09:35] Hi alkisg, can you send me the connect target? [09:35] sudo add-apt-repository --yes universe; sudo apt install -y x11vnc; x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org [09:42] Aqua-: please press q to stop the `top` command, as gnome then makes VNC too slow for me to continue :) [09:43] ...or close the terminal tab... [09:43] it doesnt let me do anything. stuck [09:44] OK open a new terminal and run the vnc command again, x11vnc -connect alkisg.ltsp.org [09:44] yep ok [09:44] * alkisg hates the gnome javascript desktop-environment... [09:45] Continue up to the partitioning page [09:48] Aqua-: ok, you may close the terminal/vnc [09:48] Continue with the rest of the pages [09:48] cool thanks [09:48] so keep installing normally? [09:48] Yes [09:48] If you see any errors about grub, ping me again [09:48] If not, reboot and it should work [09:49] super. you helped me a lot [09:51] i undestood about 70-80% of what you've done. but where did you moved the existing directories to? [09:52] Aqua-: in /impish-backup [09:52] You'll be able to find them there after reboot [09:53] morning chaps [09:53] i see. i thought that you formatted the partition, but maybe i missed that [09:54] No, I clicked "advanced options" in the partitioning page, and I selected "use as ext4 without formatting" for sda3 [09:54] oh ok cool [09:58] if a program is run with low/idle priority nice 19, why does it still impact the server load number reported by top/uptime if no other applications are in use? [09:59] alkisg: i get the following error - An error while restoring previously installed apps. The installation will continue but you may have to manually reinstall some apps after reboot. [09:59] Thats just the packages on my old OS that cannot be migrated right? [10:00] Aqua-: no, that's just a bug; it wouldn't search inside /impish-backup [10:00] It saw an unformatted partition and it thought it should upgrade apps, when there were none [10:00] Ignore it [10:00] ok [10:00] *a formatted partition... [10:00] im rebooting, see ya on the other side :D [10:06] :+1: Great success :+1: [10:06] 👍️ [10:07] now is there a way to import settings, folders, packages, etc to the current installation or do i need to do it manually? [10:07] You can move the whole /home/username dir [10:09] (when it's not in use, that is) [10:10] For the packages, there are some commands but I usually don't bother and I just run `apt install my-list-fpackages`... [10:15] l [10:16] Hi ! I just followed https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019 guide. [10:16] When i'm booting, I have a prompt asking the password. After entering the password, I get dropped to grub shell... [10:17] I wonder if the keyboard has the right layout [10:20] vegag: did you have non-ASCII characters in the passphrase? [10:21] no [10:21] But i use french keyboard [10:22] vegag: you can retry the unlock from the GRUB rescue shell with: " cryptomount hdX,y " where X and Y are the device and partition that is LUKS-protected [10:22] i'll try to type it replacing with english version [10:22] Ok ! That'll be enough to start ubuntu ? [10:22] vegag: I ought to add some instructions on recovery from rescue shell to the Wiki article [10:23] vegag: *if* it manages to unlock you'll see "slot X open" [10:23] Ok (change computer cause i'll reboot to try what you say) [10:23] vegag: at which point you may have to issue 2 or 3 more commands, depending [10:24] I wonder what's wrong because if followed the tutorial [10:24] (I use ubuntu 20.04) [10:26] I can briefly see an error after entering the password and juste before dropping to grub shell, like "no such cryptodisk found" or something like that [10:27] Hi I am running Ubuntu 21.10; I have succesfully recompiled my own kernel and packaged correctly. Anyway I signed it *after* installation with explicit command "sbsign" ... I was able to boot with secure boot enabled so everything is fine. Is there a way to sign the kernel image during package build instead that after installation === Furna_ is now known as Furna [10:29] TJ- Its booting !!! I had to use english key layout ! [10:29] Finaly ! [10:29] Thanks for your help and tutorial [10:29] Furna: is there a specific reason your compile your own kernel instead of using !mainline ones? [10:29] Furna, did you check the site? https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-sign-things-for-secure-boot [10:30] vegaga: that was an easy fix! [10:30] vegaga: I'll add to the guide some warnings on that [10:30] also update-secureboot-policy on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS [10:39] lotuspsychje: good reasons yes 1) Fun 2) Change default Intel pstate governor ... the first reason is the main one ... after 10 years of being away from tech ground I have to come back [10:40] oerheks: Yes I saw that site .. and there I learned how to sign *after* compilation .. as I said I am currently running my own kernel with Secure Boot enabled ... it's just I would prefer to sign the key during package build [10:41] Furna: cool, welcome back to the ubuntu community you might like #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-kernel [10:41] oerheks: update-secureboot-policy creates and deploy the MOK key(s) to firmware ... it doesn't sign kernels ... [10:42] i never used it myself, just had the info [10:50] Thanks anyway [12:28] Hello [12:28] I have configured a xrdp and tightvncserver, but rdp session from windows is lagging [12:29] Scrolling a webpage lags [12:29] what client are you using on windows [12:29] The default windows remote desktop [12:30] oh, derr, I read VNC not RDP. [12:30] Xrdp connects to vnc [12:30] Basically i think some setting may need to be edited/ tweaked [12:31] mjt can you suggest any change in tightvncserver setting? [12:31] It listens on port 5901 [12:31] not really, I had a bad experience trying get a reliable vnc server going. If you want set and forget, you could try nomachine instead... [12:31] It gives a far superior desktop experience to rdp or vnc [12:32] Ah [12:32] as in, you can stream video over it [12:32] It is free? [12:32] as in beer, i don't think as in licence. there's a foss version of it for sure, called opennx but might take a bit of tinkering to get going [12:33] by that I mean no cost but not open source [12:34] Hm, possibly like teamviewer on windows then [12:34] scrolling a browser over vnc laggig, sounds normal [12:34] c/lagging [12:34] oerheks lol [12:35] no way to optimize it by increasing some buffer? [12:36] no solution, AFAIK [12:36] once you've got hooked on the the nx protocol it's hard to use anything else... [12:36] sorry i can't be of more help :3 [12:36] Hehe [12:37] Nomachine sounds good, but their website lists $3000 plans [12:37] Lol [12:38] $3400 for a remote desktop server solution [12:38] Hehe [12:38] that's the enterprise tier [12:39] it's defiintely free for personal use [12:39] I used to try teamviewer before, after several hours they forced me to upgrade/buy [12:39] Hope nomachine doesnt do this! [12:39] Hm. I see. Thanks [12:41] being a reliable guy is easy for scammers in these days [12:42] via_c7, how is that related to ubuntu support? [12:42] see... [12:44] via_c7: please join offtopic for casual talk, thanks in advance [12:44] #ubuntu-offtopic that is [12:45] How can I get the latest kernel on LTS releases? Sometimes I might need a newer kernel for newer hardware or newer drivers for newer hardware. [12:45] !hwe [12:45] The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack [12:45] !latest [12:45] Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa. [12:45] from 20.04.1 hwe is automatic enabled with a fresh install [12:46] and ... LTS is stable, you might want to upgrade to the latest 21.10 [12:46] Let me ask you about the low latency kernel, what makes it different from the regular kernel? [12:46] anyone checked out the frame.work laptop? [12:46] MiraCat: if you want the 5.15 kernel you're out of luck and a rolling release might be a better option for you [12:46] fully upgradable and quite neat and cheap :) [12:47] MiraCat, that is suitable for audio/video [12:47] (production) [12:47] MiraCat: lowlatency or real time kernels are mostely used for audio and video production [12:47] meh, beaten to it [12:48] see #ubuntustudio [12:48] Is ubuntu the best choice if I want to do Audio or Video work? Most distros don't seem to provide a "low latency kernel" and might not even offer dynamic preempt in the regular kernel. [12:48] use it and see if you like it? [12:48] certiorari: unless you already have some hardware and need help with running ubuntu on it, please head over to #ubuntu-offtopic for discussing specific hardware [12:49] there's no "best" MiraCat, it's all a matter of personal experience and preferences [12:50] MiraCat: and since it's not really a ubuntu support question anymore moving over to #ubuntu-discuss would be a better idea i guess [12:50] it gives the best community :-D [12:51] ;) [12:51] tomreyn: well, it's was a general question, my bad.. they claim it has good Ubuntu support [12:52] anyone knows? [12:52] certiorari, yes, ubuntu-offtopic or ubuntu-discuss? [12:53] we'll keep focussed on ubuntu support, not hardware choice [12:53] ok [13:16] any reason why i cannot install nvida drivers?? [13:16] whats the error [13:16] and what gpu do you have [13:17] immuda, probably you are in a Wayland session, switch to Xorg from login? [13:17] wayland + nvidiadrivers = nono, for now [13:17] i am on LTS [13:17] 20.4 [13:18] i installed ubuntu and upon first boot offered me a partial upgrade [13:18] partial upgrade, that is oke, finish it after reboot [13:19] i did reboot [13:19] sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # [13:19] !distupgrade [13:19] A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu, see !upgrade if that is your intention. [13:20] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [13:20] no i want to stay on LTS [13:20] nice [13:20] " This will not bring you to a new release of Ubuntu".... [13:20] i did nothing to offer [13:21] oke, logout, click your name, then the extra menu, change to Xorg.. then nvidia drivers are available [13:21] under additional hardware it saying Continue using a manually installed driver [13:21] this device is using a manually installed driver [13:25] I have a machine running a simple http webserver for development, it outputs to stdout. Is there a way that I can put the already running process in the background, ssh into the machine and put the process in there without turning it off? [13:26] maybe with nohup so when I log out it's still running [13:26] bg/fb background/foregound .. https://www.thegeekdiary.com/understanding-the-job-control-commands-in-linux-bg-fg-and-ctrlz/ [13:27] so if I take my laptop/keyboard in the machine I do ctrl+z and bg, then when I ssh I can put it into the foreground? [13:30] bancroft: ssh in, start tmux, use reptyr to move the process [13:30] bancroft: then you can even disconnect the ssh and the process remains running in the tmux session [13:30] !info reptyr | bancroft [13:31] bancroft: reptyr (0.6.2-1.3, impish): Tool for moving running programs between ptys. In component universe, is optional. Built by reptyr. Size 22 kB / 66 kB. (Only available for i386, amd64, armel, armhf.) [13:31] TJ-: thanks, I found it on github :) [13:31] bancroft: "apt install reptyr" :) [13:33] hi folks. i have an old refurbished pc and i want to install Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS. can i _force_ MBR booting during installation? [13:33] the reason i'm asking is that the bios for this pc (Lenovo ThinkCentre M72e) seems very buggy. [13:34] ubuntu isos are hybride mbr/uefi, so no need to force an old system [13:34] or is it not that old and gives UEFI ? [13:34] cpach: forcing is done in the motherboard firmware boot options/boot device selection [13:35] cpach: you could also look for a bios upgrade, if you haven't [13:35] oerheks: this machine seems to support UEFI, for some value of "support", but the BIOS is from 2012 and seems very buggy [13:36] TJ-: but the installer needs to know if it should choose mbr or uefi, no? for grub [13:37] tomreyn: seems like bios upgrade requres windows 8/7/xp :-/ [13:37] i tried booting with the windows 10 usb installer and run lenovo's bios upgrade from there. it said the operating system isn't supported. [13:38] hi. chromium updated via snap automatically and broke a bunch of tests. is it really not possible to downgrade snap packages to arbitrary versions? [13:40] apathor, no. [13:40] cpach: no [13:40] cpach: installer starts in the mode the motherboard firmware has selected [13:41] oerheks: that really sucks huh [13:41] cpach: and that controller which mode the OS is installed in (since it isn't possible to install a UEFI system from BIOS/legacy boot (in one step)) [13:41] apathor, snap list chromium --all [13:42] ioria: ah so it can switch back to the version that was previously installed? [13:42] maye install the deb version, https://launchpad.net/chromium-browser/+packages [13:42] apathor, possibly: sudo snap revert [13:42] ioria: thanks! [13:42] TJ-: i see. thx. [13:43] apathor, ok; sudo snap revert chromium --revision xxx [13:43] oerheks: seems the deb package just wraps the snap package. says so in 'apt-cache show chromium-browser' [13:43] oh ioria is right :-D [13:43] ok [13:43] ok another question: i'm planning on using this machine as a diy nas. anyone did anything like that? did you simply install samba / nfs and then call it a day? or are there other interesting approaches to consider? [13:53] cpach, did you try the live iso update tool too? Might work better. [13:54] cpach: ^ this should not require windows [13:54] https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/nl/nl/products/desktops-and-all-in-ones/thinkcentre-m-series-desktops/thinkcentre-m72e/downloads/driver-list/component?name=BIOS [14:03] Hi folks [14:14] BluesKaj: Hi.. [14:16] hi pentrix1 [14:18] i found an iso on lenovo's website but i didn't manage to boot it [14:23] hi! i have an issue when attempting to install ubuntu server on a laptop (yes, i know).. the installer detects the hdd.. and it's able to install on it, but when i reboot the laptop doesn't find the boot partiton on the hdd for ubuntu === enick_470 is now known as krabador [14:37] is it secureboot or something messing with me? [14:38] zamba: did you check if secureboot is enabled or disabled? [14:38] zamba: you should disable it [14:39] secureboot is greyed out in the bios [14:39] but it doesn't look like it's ticked [14:39] boot mode is set to legacy [14:40] zamba: maybe find out why it's greyed out so you can disable it [14:40] oh, you have boot mode set to legacy in the bios, that's why [14:40] you should be good there then [14:40] is this a dual boot system? [14:41] leftyfb: it was windows on it previously [14:42] but i should have overridden that [14:44] bootrepair might be your solution [14:45] zamba: do you have any sort of RAID option in the bios? [14:45] if so, disable it, it's not real RAID [14:45] +1 [14:45] also, reinstall in UEFI mode should be no problem for ubuntu [14:46] I prefer not [14:46] so much simpler with MBR [14:46] zamba https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-boot-repair [14:47] zamba: are you in the live usb right now? [14:47] you have a live system that you installed with I take it [14:47] I also prefer to diagnose the actual problem to resolve as opposed to using a tool to magically fix it without telling me exactly what was wrong [15:00] i wonder where he went [15:02] leftyfb maybe you have some advice for me, i have a lenovo t410i that i can not change the secure boot option in bios, without that it does not accept uefi. so still using 18.04 kde on mbr [15:02] Kilos: is there a problem with using MBR? [15:04] i like using it. boot-repair also repairs br. but i think all later versions come with uefi boot [15:05] oh also 20.04 doesnt have a good network manager to use usb mobile modems [15:05] i forget lots. i am old lol [15:06] Kilos: your options are: 1# continue using MBR to which you should never have a problem with #2 search your hardware's documentation or contact the vendor to learn how to disable secureboot so you can reinstall with UEFI and have the exact same regular use functionality [15:06] lenovo told me it cannot be changed, so i gave up [15:07] they say send it in. i am in south africa so to sit for 4 months without my laptop isnt an option [15:09] that could be zamba 's prob if windows that was there installed in uefi mode [15:09]