[00:02] <sarnold> Matt55: aha; open() "/etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx" failed (2: No such file or directory) in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:62
[00:03] <sarnold> Matt55: try namei -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:03] <sarnold> see if that gives you any hints
[00:03] <Matt55> but it does this when ever i try to update
[00:04] <sarnold> the idea is, we figure out what's broken, fix it, and then it'll probably update
[00:06] <Matt55> ~$ -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:06] <Matt55> -l: command not found
[00:16] <sarnold> Matt55: heh, uh, looks like you missed the 'namei' in the front of the command -- try: namei -l /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/trunk_player.nginx
[00:21] <Matt55> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1220608
[00:35] <sarnold> Matt55: aha :) is your symlink pointing to the wrong thing? that's a long of trunk and player and - and _ and so on in one symlinkl
[00:41] <Matt55> Im not sure my linux knowledge is very little when it comes to linux
[00:42] <sarnold> Matt55: did you follow a guide on installing openmhz?
[00:43] <Matt55> yes
[00:43] <Matt55> that is working fine
[00:44] <sarnold> aha, cool cool. my guess is somewhere in that guide is an instruction on creating a symbolic link .. and my guesses are either (a) that you mistyped it or (b) they mistyped it :)
[00:44] <kill> could this update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python3 1             break anything in base ubuntu?
[00:45] <sarnold> kill: you probably want to apt install python-is-python3   instead
[00:45] <kill> sarnold did that now, thank you
[01:09] <winircuser-374> Good Evening Team has anyone worked with setting up a website with certificate SSL on Apache webserver ,I was able to get installed but now have to do the redirection from http to https anyone have any docs to point me at I did find one that uses the htaccess file but was looking for something in the apache2.conf file
[01:11] <sarnold> winircuser-374: quite a lot of the directives you would stick in an htaccess file should be able to work in the main config file, too; the apache docs website has little indicators to show which sections each directive will work in
[01:11] <winircuser-374> I did try the virtual hosts method but that didn't work for me
[01:11] <sarnold> winircuser-374: I don't work with apache often enough to just say how to do it, but it's probably a matter of stuffing the directives in your <location> or similar blocks
[01:12] <winircuser-374> thanks sarnold ill try one more time the virtual hosts method if failes then ill try the Htaccess method
[01:39] <winircuser-374> i was able to get the redirection from http to https using the apache.conf file with editing the virtual hosts section than restarting the apache daemon
[01:39] <winircuser-374> thanks for everyone help here
[01:40] <sarnold> woot
[01:43] <EtherMan> Hey, so I'm hoping you guys can help me with a network config issue on ubuntu-server 20.04. So I'm setting up a netplan config. I've set it up a default gw in table 800. I then set a routing policy for from 10.250.0.0/24... Now, "traceroute -4 -s 10.250.0.2 www.google.com" works. But, "ping -I enp0s3 -4 www.google.com", does not. Which I find very odd, because enp0s3 has only 1 ipv4 IP, and that is 10.250.0.2... And the output says it is using
[01:43] <EtherMan> that IP, which worked for traceroute. And it clearly thinks it has SOME route there since it gets timed out rather than no route to host or something... I'm so confused as to what is going on here... https://pastebin.com/aSkVLGQ4 is my yaml for netplan
[01:47] <sarnold> EtherMan: does 'sudo' change anything? it used to be setuid once upon a time..
[01:47] <EtherMan> Nope
[02:00] <sarnold> dang :( I wasn't really *happy* with the idea, but it's all I had :(
[02:00] <sarnold> EtherMan: my next step would be strace and hope to spot something. it's also not something I love..
[02:04] <marcos_> É o melhor sistema que já usei
[02:05] <sarnold> !pt
[02:05] <sarnold> hmm :( only nine people in the brazilian channel... oh well, worth a try all the same
[02:06] <EtherMan> sarnold: I'm suspecting "recvmsg(3, {msg_namelen=128}, 0)        = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" has something to do with it...  But why woud it be unavailable?
[02:08] <sarnold> EtherMan: the recvmsg manpage gives two reasons for EAGAIN, and I think they both kind of mean the same thing -- no response packet, either yet, or before a timeout expired
[02:09] <EtherMan> Oh
[02:10] <marcos_> Yo hablo ingles
[02:12] <EtherMan> Hmm... tcpdumping gives me that there's no ping going out on the interface to begin with... So that's the reason for no response... But why isn't it going out >_<
[02:13] <EtherMan> Gaah... eff it... Time to simplify >_<
[02:14] <nahmed1> hi
[02:43] <neteng1198sp> Looking for some help automating the install process.  according to apache, its downloading the meta-user, user-data and vendor-data.  No idea if it is actually processing it though.  It eventually says [OK] Finished Execute cloud user/final scripts.  Then says [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  Thats it.
[05:00] <droid3> hey guys anybody know of any simple /easy to use font finder programs i can sudo apt-get?
[05:01] <droid3> What i am looking for is a simple program that identifies font familes/styles/size by a snapshot picture image of it.
[05:01] <droid3> Kind of like the color finders/choose programs but for fonts
[05:01] <droid3> Anybody have a sudo apt-get install line i can use ????
[05:12] <Bashing-om> !info fontconfig-config focal | droid3
[05:12] <katnis> !info stdio.h
[05:14] <droid3> Not understanding you on Bashing-om you got a sudo apt-get program-font-finder line i can use.
[05:15] <droid3> Also a curiousity if one want to in his program use this font finding ability what would be the libraries/api this is available in if one wanted to write his own font finding program
[05:15] <droid3> I would imagine it be in some OCR or computer vision library ?
[05:15] <Bashing-om> droid3: My hint was to look at "fontconfig-config" : ' apt show fontconfig-config ' see if that meets your needs.
[05:16] <lotuspsychje> !info fontmatrix
[05:16] <droid3> This is quite more challenging to implement then just a color chooser/finder the read the screen pixel rgba and tells you the results. you kind of need some ocr good api or something i imagine.
[05:22] <droid3> well i have Fontconfig and i have used it to create a few custom fonts back in the day but where in this program do you specify a picture and it identifies the font family/style/size from it?
[05:23] <droid3> Not sure how you where thinking about doing it with this fontconfig program.
[05:23] <droid3> Its a great program for customizing /making your own fonts,families converting from otf , ttf ,...and many other formats ...etc but identifying fonts from pictures ???
[05:23] <droid3> maybe i am missing something i probably am.
[05:25] <Bashing-om> droid3: No - you are not missing - my failure to realize the depth :(
[05:26] <droid3> huh care to elaborate
[05:27] <Bashing-om> droid3: No - I am not familiar enough with the tool, I should not have responded.
[05:44] <droid3> O ok well right at the moment i just looking for this neat OCR based program for fonts that i have heard exist from some.
[05:46] <droid3> One last odd question before computers where around what typefaces/font families where the actual typewritters for writters using???
[05:46] <droid3> I imagine when people bought a typewritter they had only one font the typewritter machine font that came with the physical typewritter machine.
[05:47] <droid3> But maybe later for writters and high end typewritters they came out with ways they changed out the typefaces.
[05:48] <droid3> Just a guess but until computers it seems more just one typeface based on your typewritter machine.
[05:48] <droid3> And the only people that had the ability to do many fonts / typefaces /styles...etc would have been the publishing companies
[05:50] <droid3> this would all eventually change once the digital computers came out. And anybody could develop/create/install fonts
[05:50] <sillymob[m]> droid3: some typewriters had an interchangable "ball" on them so you could have different fonts
[05:50] <droid3> but i am a bit curious what we had for typewritters or what writters before computers did. And what publishers did.
[05:51] <droid3> So you could switch out the ball for a different typeface /font style
[05:51] <sillymob[m]> yes
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> and some could strike twice (or more) for bold
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> and some could add underlines
[05:52] <droid3> was there many different types of balls to choose from
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> yes many
[05:52] <sillymob[m]> i believe IBM selectric were the ones if you google it
[05:52] <droid3> Wow ok so we had all alot of the common fonts we still use by default with computer just in ball form.
[05:54] <droid3> I just remember back in the day doing an old typewritter class where you had to get a certain amount of words per minute to pass. It wasnt difficult but those keyboard where the ones a small leg/metal arm would come up and tap the paper with the typeface ink.
[05:55] <droid3> I guess the ball based typewritters where the high end for writters
[05:55] <droid3> Because there was no interchangablity that i can remember it was fix typeface.
[05:56] <droid3> Now that everybody converted over to computers for writting. I am curious what typeface/font families/style do writters prefer to write in on there computers?
[05:57] <sillymob[m]> probably the 10 - 12 fonts that come with windows/mac would be my guess
[05:57] <droid3> I know this is an opinionated question but does are default font families/styles are Operating systems use by default match up closely to the most commonly used typewritter fonts/typefaces.
[05:57] <sillymob[m]> most people just pop open word and start writing
[05:58] <sillymob[m]> well, typefaces also go in and out of style
[05:58] <sillymob[m]> so even though we have had high quality typefaces on computers for a while, they are going in and out of style
[05:59] <droid3> O well those 10 or 12 thru the years havent change much it seems san serif , serif , time roman , aerial ,...etc are all still the default as was similar font when computer OS first came out to current.
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> e.g. you can find futura everywhere in the 1930s but its not really used today for much
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> some of these typefaces are hundreds of years old
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> so it makes sense people designing graphical interfaces would clone and/or use them
[05:59] <sillymob[m]> e.g. times new roman is from the 1930s as well
[06:00] <droid3> Though there is some changes here and there most look very similar and we dont really change default fonts to often. Its like most dont change there mouse default pointer/cursor. So most people are probably content in the default font and readability
[06:00] <droid3> if it was for articles / book form.
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> yeah next time you are at a bookstore, go to fiction section
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> you won't see very much variety in typefaces
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> it won't be 3, but it won't be 500 either
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> i'm not talking cover, i mean actual printed contents
[06:01] <sillymob[m]> cover you will see some variety for sure
[06:03] <droid3> agreed i notice most publishers looking at books use so similar of font/typefaces.
[06:03] <droid3> So ya it must be that books using these standard types are the most preferred for readability purpose for the general majority
[06:03] <sillymob[m]> steve jobs took a class on typography in college; he said that is why he wanted to do such a good job with text rendering on the first mac
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> yeah i mean principles of readability are "mostly" settled
[06:04] <droid3> and/or just people got so use to using them that it be odd to use anything different when reading a book.
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> also, don't forget a lot of people don't even care
[06:04] <sillymob[m]> they will write a book on a napkin or whatever and the publisher picks
[06:05] <droid3> agreed font/fontstyle/typeface are a lot less of an issue then content of the material/way the material is written/presented.
[06:05] <droid3> Obviously
[06:06] <sillymob[m]> not to a font geek
[06:07] <droid3> Because most people would not mind between san serif vs time roman say as much as having shitty content /unappealing content to read.
[06:08] <droid3> its alot easier to put up with a little weirder typefaces/font if its in the appropriate language vs having shitty content.
[06:08] <droid3> well the majority of target audience for say books arent font geeks but if you where targeting that audience then you be right with that one :)
[06:10] <droid3> so same applies if your targeting books for math and science most people in that category dont mind between the major top ten fonts/font styles as long as the content is good /well written/easy to understand...etc
[06:11] <sillymob[m]> i have picked up some sci-fi books in the bookstore and i'm like YUCK why did they choose this weird font and i don't buy it
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> !ot
[06:12] <lotuspsychje> keep it ubuntu support related guys
[06:14] <droid3> ok but for me i had that problem a couple times yet i really have to say most of time its the content that defines my chose in reading it. Or wanting to read it...very few time has it been yuck the font ,images ,..etc are just to difficult to get thru.
[06:14] <lotuspsychje> droid3: please divide storys/discussions with support questions
[06:15] <droid3> if it was like the first edition of euclidians elements then sure i have to be a math archaeologist to want to decipher it.
[06:15] <droid3> ok lotuspsychje anyway thanks for the help guys you have a good night
[06:16] <MyNickname> I am struggling with getting the command
[06:16] <MyNickname> scp -r localFilesOnMyWindowsDdrive password@ipAddress:/var/www
[06:16] <MyNickname> I think the issue is that the local files are on my D:\ drive
[06:17] <oerheks> wat the hell is going on ? i was asleep, 02:00 hrs until 4 minutes ago (07:12) , i find a failed something, send report... and auth log says this https://pastebin.com/dgXXVmFW
[06:17] <MyNickname> but not sure how to overcome that. I don't want to use WinSCP which is what I know works as I have a few tasks that need to happen with this task and wouldn't automate through a gui of WINSCP
[06:18] <oerheks> is there a backdoor, tryingh something from irc?
[06:18] <oerheks> wat the hell is going on ? i was asleep, 02:00 hrs until 4 minutes ago (07:12) , i find a failed something, send report... and auth log says this https://pastebin.com/dgXXVmFW
[06:18] <oerheks> is there a backdoor, tryingh something from irc?
[06:20] <sillymob[m]> oerheks: looks like cron running, not very scary, just scheduled jobs
[06:24] <oerheks> too often these messages when i sleep.. no, i do not believe it is regular
[06:25] <oerheks> i am out
[06:30] <alkisg> oerheks: "PackageKit: uid 1000 is trying to obtain org.freedesktop.packagekit.system-sources-refresh" ==> suggests that this is background updates from either apt, snap or gnome-software-center
[06:30] <alkisg> Possibly one of the updates failed, and then apport tried to ask you to report the issue
[06:30] <alkisg> You should be able to find the crash in /var/crash
[06:42] <neteng1198sp> any cloud-init folks around?
[06:45] <neteng1198sp> At what I assume is the end of an autoinstall, I see  [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  It literally just sits there.  I drop into alt-f2.  I can verify /var/lib/cloud/instance, has the meta-data instance and inside there are the vendor-data, user-data and cloud-config files.  I'm not sure what the next step is in troubleshooting why it just hangs.  I did do a clo
[06:45] <neteng1198sp> t clean and then a cloud-init -d init.  Should that not follow the autoinstall and set it up based on the user-data file?
[06:47] <HunterWittenborn> Would anyone know how Bash on Ubuntu is able to find relevant APT/Snap packages for unfindable commands?
[06:48] <HunterWittenborn> I'm looking into possibly integrating a package manager I'm working on around it, but I can't figure out quite how it's doing what it does in the first place.
[06:57] <alkisg> Hunter Wittenborn: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommandNotFoundMagic
[07:02] <HunterWittenborn> Oh, cool!
[07:02] <HunterWittenborn> Found the relevant command after on my local machine, thanks :)
[08:18] <cluelessperson> "the following packages have been kept back"
[08:18] <cluelessperson> but WHY has it been kept back
[08:40] <ducasse> maybe it's being held
[09:14] <Velkorq> hey
[09:15] <Velkorq> is ubuntu lts as recent as debian stable?
[09:15] <Velkorq> or it contains access to newer packages? So basically its repos are based on debian stable repos only or testing as well
[09:22] <xu-irc15w> Hello
[09:22] <xu-irc15w> Errno input out error plz help
[09:23] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu erro
[09:25] <ducasse> Velkorq: ubuntu pulls from testing/unstable
[09:25] <Velkorq> ducasse: does ubuntu lts do the same?
[09:25] <ducasse> yes
[09:25] <Velkorq> or only the non lts versions
[09:25] <Velkorq> so it will be newer than debian stable. i see
[09:26] <xu-irc15w> Can anyone help
[09:26] <Velkorq> also seems both debian stable and ubuntu lts offer 5 years of support. I am not sure which to use. i want to install something that will have as little issues as possible with bugs, but also not be outdated
[09:27] <ducasse> ubuntu offers up to 10 years if you're willing to pay for commercial support
[09:27] <ducasse> xu-irc15w: what is the problem?
[09:28] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu erro,  errno input out error
[09:28] <xu-irc15w> Errno 5
[09:29] <ducasse> where are you getting this error?
[09:29] <rfm> !elaborate | xu-irc15w
[09:30] <xu-irc15w> When i want click install in last step
[09:30] <xu-irc15w> Messeage pops, install halt
[09:30] <ducasse> what *exactly* does the error say?
[09:30] <ducasse> word by word
[09:31] <Velkorq> ducasse: 5 is the normal for lts? just like debian stable right?
[09:31] <xu-irc15w> Errno 5, input output error
[09:31] <ducasse> Velkorq: canonical offers esm, which is 10 years
[09:31] <ducasse> xu-irc15w: input output errors usually indicate a disk problem
[09:32] <mei> Velkorq debian stable have 3 years of support not 5
[09:32] <xu-irc15w> Is my usb stick bad?
[09:33] <rfm> xu-irc15w, please tell us exactly what you were trying to do
[09:33] <mei> also there is no point to call it "stable", debian is debian. it have only one release, "testing" is a just beta really
[09:34] <xu-irc15w> Install ubuntu from usb
[09:39] <rfm> xu-irc15w, so. you dd what? starting on a something system, downloaded x, then..
[09:40] <mei> Velkorq i guess ubuntu lts + snap will have more updatad things than debian
[09:42] <rfm> mei:"things" is working hard there
[09:45] <Velkorq> mei: i read debian lts has 5 years on their wiki and got confused.
[09:46] <Velkorq> mei: ok so if i install latest lts of ubuntu i have 5 years of upgrades?
[09:46] <Velkorq> support etc
[09:51] <Bendik> Hi! How can I monitor my system while running a task in the terminal? I want to see what is the bottleneck for my program
[09:52] <idnc_sk> hi all
[09:52] <idnc_sk> have a strange issue regarding nfs
[09:52] <idnc_sk> nfs v3 mounts from an old netapp work just fine on a testserver running 18.04
[09:52] <idnc_sk> but fail when mounting from 20.04
[09:53] <Velkorq> also ubuntu lts on desktop, means i get new version of packages for 5 years or only security updates?
[09:53] <idnc_sk> nfsstat on 18 shows client nfs v3 and v4, on 20 it only shows client v4
[09:53] <idnc_sk> so guess somehow buntu 20.04 disables nfs3 cfg by default (or maybe some issue in relation to rpcbind cfg or something)
[09:53] <idnc_sk> anyone any idea
[09:54] <idnc_sk> I tried to enforce v3 in a couple of ways (-o v3 | -o nfsvers=3 | -o vers=3)
[09:55] <idnc_sk> but nfs mounts keep failing on that new machine
[09:56] <idnc_sk> why would nfsstat not return client v3 .. is my pointer here
[10:18] <mei> Velkorq what page state it's supported for 5 years?
[10:19] <mei> you get updated apps through snap, that means mostly end-user apps like firefox for example. system packages should stay at their release version, except few things. someone that use lts can correct me though
[10:20] <TJ-> Velkorq: during the support period, security and serious bug fixes of packages in the 'main' component of the archive (and sometimes 'restricted'). Support for packages in universe or multiverse components are a community thing and and not guaranteed,
[10:21] <mei> mhm, i was also wondering about universe...
[10:21] <TJ-> Velkorq: When you see "Ubuntu support" read it as "Canonical suppport" and it'll make more sense.
[10:23] <TJ-> The 'community' (volunteers) are repsonsible for packages in universe and multiverse although some Canonical devs also cover some of those as their personal interest; also some of those devs are also Debian devs/maintainers and try to ensure fixes go into Debian at the same time
[10:23] <mei> btw what is the process that get packages into official support? wireguard being in universe is kinda silly
[10:25] <TJ-> Someone stepping up to commit to support it, and that someone usually being closely related to Canonical
[10:26] <TJ-> Thing is it isn't need in main. "wireguard-tools" is optional since Ubuntu uses systemd-networkd or NetworkManager which both have wireguard support
[10:26] <TJ-> And the wireguard module itself is in the mainline kernel
[10:26] <mei> hmm need to investigate this
[10:26] <mei> i'm used to wg-quick
[10:27] <TJ-> 'wireguard' package is just an empty top-level to pull in the underlying packages nowadays
[10:29] <mei> is it really in the mailine kernel? i see the package depends on wireguard-dkms still
[10:29] <mei> well yeah, i can "modprobe wireguard"
[10:34] <TJ-> mei: wireguard went into mainline for v5.6
[10:36] <mei> mhm i know that, but since the package still depends on dkms is confusing a bit. also it doesn't mean that ubuntu compile the kernel with wireguard enabled
[10:38] <TJ-> mei: "sudo grep CONFIG_WIREGUARD /boot/config* "
[10:38] <TJ-> Mine only go back to 5.13 so I can't check
[10:38] <mei> handy :)
[10:38] <TJ-> I don't use Ubuntu kernels; build my own
[10:39] <mei> what do you mean? 5.13 is newer than 5.6 ?_?
[10:39] <TJ-> thirteen is greater than six
[10:39] <mei> so why you can't check?
[10:40] <TJ-> because I do not have kernels as old as 5.4/5.6 AND I don't have Ubuntu kernels
[10:40] <mei> oh well, i was not curious at al about 5.6, just ubuntu generally
[10:53] <pseudonymous> Hey. 20.04 LTS, stuck in a login loop. In wayland mode, I get booted out immediately. With xorg, I can log in, but I get a fullscreen "A problem has occurred and the system can't recover. Please log out and try again". If I click, I get booted out. Right now, I've kept it up because the desktop actually works.. How can I see what's up and get this annoying popup to never appear again ?
[11:18] <joo-_> is ubuntu 21.10 considered stable? i just installed it on my desktop and my laptop and are experiencing different kind of crashes related to gnome and lifreoffice
[11:19] <mgedmin> it's stable for me
[11:34] <kuldip> Hello @all Right now i want to setup Client slave deployment server using open-stack, Any good site for help in open-stack installation ? please help Thank-you
[11:59] <kuldip> Hello can i get help for Open-stack installation if yes then how ?
[12:36] <pseudonymous> trying to use this theme ( https://www.gnome-look.org/p/1013484/ ) in XFCE on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS and things look very odd. All text is white, many lines are not drawn. Opening xfce4-settings-manager from the terminal to see errors as the theme is selected I see mountains of deprecated CSS class warnings. Anyone know if I can get this theme working ?
[12:37] <idnc_sk> pseudonymous why would you torture your self this way
[12:38] <idnc_sk> there is prettiness in the universe
[12:38] <idnc_sk> even in the grammaverse somwehre :|
[12:38] <idnc_sk> *grammar
[12:41] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: nostalgia. Plain and simple. Most "modern" computing suck. Just today my "LTS" release refused to boot me into the desktop. Kept throwing up a popup that, if clicked, logs me out, the rest of the interface works. Guess what ? XFCE just works. Tired of all this "modern" nonsense. Nothing friggin' works anymore.
[12:43] <pseudonymous> (and more on-point. The gui of 2000's era windows is very clear in which components are active/disabled and clearly shows what's a part of what. "Modern" UI tend to use low-contrast and flatness, damn near impossible to see what's what. )
[12:43] <idnc_sk> I use xfce myself + "modern" computing sucks indeed, sometimes you have to smash your head with a ballot 20x to really believe its 2021 (when working with computers in general)
[12:44] <pseudonymous> Yea, had anyone told me in 2000 that my future involved letting Javascript power nearly all my desktop, I guess I would've gone into a different field. This is madness.
[12:46] <idnc_sk> https://imgur.com/JRgeN1s.png
[12:47] <idnc_sk> I actually like javascript esp the nodejs ecosystem, even being the security/async-nighmare it is
[12:48] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: it's a pretty desktop, I'll grant. Sadly my eyes will be too strained with dark themes. These days I have to have higher contrast and software like redshift running to power through 8hr+ days in front of the computer.
[12:49] <idnc_sk> https://imgur.com/oPOEui3.png here my winapm
[12:49] <idnc_sk> *winamp skin
[12:50] <idnc_sk> yeah I spent quite some time getting my vscode "just right" due to eye strain
[12:50] <zaggynl> heh, nostalgic
[12:50] <idnc_sk> old love :)
[12:51] <idnc_sk> really liked winamp the same way I like old MP3 players (you know, those devices that do one thing and one thing only)
[12:51] <pseudonymous> idnc_sk: I think JS exemplifies the issue. Software has 1000 dependencies, all ever-changing. CPU and RAM is assumed free - so more is required to do the same as before (think Pidgin vs electron chat apps). And honestly, the desktop seems to crash a lot more than it did in the KDE3/Gnome 2 days. /rant
[12:55] <idnc_sk> I try to keep my deps minimal, even have a habit of incorporating code from 3rd party modules into my own just to not be dependent on some unknown person on the interwebz, there are a zillion simple modules to run something as a deamon or get mime type of a file or to generate a uuid, btw running noscript for a loong time now - would encourage
[12:55] <idnc_sk> everyone to try it for some time to get an idea of what you have mentioned there :)
[13:02] <omarramo> hey guys, is there a way to install a newer version of mutter (besides compiling it)?
[13:03] <KBar> pseudonymous, check out forum.xfce.org. Lots of solved questions and customization suggestions.
[13:05] <mgedmin> waah cups-browserd is refusing to supply destination host names, no printing for me today
[13:39] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:53] <MartinCH> Hello. I have a video display problem (fuzzy/hazy/snowy screen, with right hand side going off the screen edge) with ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS after updates were installed. The display chip is AMD/ATI Mobility Radeon HD3470 (RV620). The problem is present with (kernel) version 4.15.0-162.151-generic 4.15.18 (after updates). Works fine with
[13:53] <MartinCH> 4.15.0-29.31-generic
[14:29] <SzinDzeks> Hi. I have to confess to something unforgivable...
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> I killed snap process because it was draining my precious 1Mbps internet connection
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> And now...
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> it revenges
[14:30] <SzinDzeks> Many apps like HexChat, WeeChat and Minecraft don't have internet connection
[14:31] <SzinDzeks> Firefox, Discord and using ping command works just fine
[14:31] <SzinDzeks> please help
[14:33] <SzinDzeks> i beg you
[14:34] <SzinDzeks> i need to play minecraft
[14:38] <mjt> reboot?
[14:38] <SzinDzeks> didn't work
[14:44] <SzinDzeks16> Ok, i think it actually has something to do with my firewall rather than killing snap. Sorry for wasting your time
[14:53] <KBar> Well, that was rather anticlimactic. :)
[15:24] <fyhl> Hi, I have a problem. How can I deactivate individual audio outputs such as HDMI to monitor and leave only my headphones?
[15:25] <KBar> What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:26] <fyhl> I am currently using 21.04
[15:27] <KBar> fyhl, try this https://help.ubuntu.com/21.04/ubuntu-help/sound-usespeakers.html.en
[15:28] <sillymob[m]> fyhl: PulseAudio Volume Control should let you do that rather easily
[15:33] <fyhl> sillymob[m] I installed pavucontrol, but I don't see an option to deactivate individual outputs here.
[15:33] <oxez> Hi. Running on 20.04, as of this morning my ethernet connection keeps dropping (even my ISP saw my pc disconnect at random intervals from their router). Didn't have any issues until this morning, and the network works correctly on other OSes. Not sure what could cause this? I didn't upgrade anything in weeks.
[15:35] <sillymob[m]> fyhl: the little 'loudspeaker' icon should let you disable an output
[15:35] <KBar> oxez, perhaps looking through the logs might help find the cause.
[15:36] <oxez> KBar: perhaps, just not certain where to look
[15:36] <KBar> oxez, `journalctl --unit=NetworkManager`
[15:37] <KBar> oxez, `journalctl -b --unit=NetworkManager` to list only entries for current boot.
[15:38] <KBar> NetworkManager usually complains when there's a problem.
[15:38] <KBar> And it shows up in systemd's journal.
[15:39] <oxez> I don't use NetworkManager, and haven't for years (I'm with systemd-networkd). Actually tried NetworkManager this morning to try to debug, I'll look at logs, thanks. Going to get some work done from wi-fi before :)
[15:40] <fyhl> sillymob[m]Can I set the output as default somewhere? Every time I plug in headphones the sound plays on HDMI, but my monitor has no speakers.
[15:46] <KBar> fyhl, run this `pactl list sinks | pastebinit` and share the link
[15:47] <fyhl> I changed something and it works
[15:47] <fyhl> I gues
[15:48] <fyhl> guess
[15:48] <fyhl> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/B6jGwFdMbP/
[15:58] <KBar> fyhl, yep. Everything looks good. Active port is set to analog-output-headphones.
[15:59] <fyhl> Yeah, I unplugged my headphones and plugged it again. It automatically selected them as output
[16:00] <fyhl> Thank you all so much!
[16:00] <KBar> No problem.
[16:08] <KBar> oxez, well, in that case you can specify networkd as the target: `journalctl -b --unit=systemd-networkd.service`
[16:17] <KBar> oxez, you can also start it in debug mode. `sudo systemctl stop systemd-networkd`, `SYSTEMD_LOG_LEVEL=debug /lib/systemd/systemd-networkd`
[16:54] <bbju> Hi, guys! I'm very new to Ubuntu and I'm using 20.04.3 right now. Why is it that firefox has ports other than amd64 listed separately while other packages like bash list all the ports together?
[16:54] <bbju> This is the package entry for firfox:
[16:55] <bbju> focal (20.04LTS) (web): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[16:55] <bbju> 94.0+build3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 [security]: amd64
[16:55] <bbju> 75.0+build3-0ubuntu1 [ports]: arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x
[16:56] <BinarySavior> Hi, I'm having trouble with DNS. How can I configure to poll default gateway DNS
[17:00] <KBar> bbju, it's because they're different versions? It means that for arm64 only version 75 is available.
[17:01] <KBar> bbju, while bash is kind of architecture-agnostic.
[17:03] <bbju> KBar: There is another firefox entry for focal-updates where the versions of all the ports are the same. I'm kinda confused.
[17:03] <KBar> BinarySavior, it's very quiet here today. Did you try this: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-domain-name-service-dns
[17:03] <bbju> focal-updates (web): Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[17:03] <bbju> 94.0+build3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1: amd64 arm64 armhf ppc64el s390x
[17:04] <BinarySavior> KBar, no i haven't, I tried the settings gui in ubuntu 21.04
[17:04] <BinarySavior> I will look into this
[17:06] <KBar> bbju it probably means that it was made available as an update later on in the release cycle.
[17:06] <KBar> bbju, released as version 75, updates made available later (for other architectures).
[17:07] <bbju> Kbar: I was under the assumption that packages in focal are frozen. It seems firefox amd64 in focal also gets updated to the newest version.
[17:12] <KBar> bbju, it is indeed. Only special updates are released through SRU.
[17:14] <sillymob[m]> bbju: you can freeze packages yourself if you wish
[17:18] <BinarySavior> wow
[17:18] <KBar> wut
[17:18] <bbju> KBar: I did some digging. It seems Stable Release Updates are published to focal-updates? How come firefox amd64 in focal also get updated?
[17:21] <TJ-> bbju: some critical packages are exceptions
[17:21] <sillymob[m]> he just installed ubuntu
[17:21] <KBar> bbju, I'm not exactly sure what you mean. There is a procedure in place. Critical bugs need fixing. They're pushed to -updates.
[17:22] <KBar> Stable doesn't mean stale.
[17:22] <sillymob[m]> bbju: I would imagine for security reasons, but I don't know that for sure.
[17:24] <bbju> TJ-: Is there a list of these package?
[17:25] <KBar> bbju, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates & https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
[17:26] <bbju> KBar, thanks! Will take a look.
[17:27] <KBar> No problem.
[17:29] <TJ-> bbju: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases
[17:30] <sillymob[m]> bbju: modification dates on packages.ubuntu.com?
[17:31] <KBar> TJ-, interestingly enough, Mozilla apps aren't included in that list. :)
[17:34] <TJ-> KBar: yes, seems like quite an oversight
[17:43] <mozambique> my graphic card isn't god
[17:43] <mozambique> I use ubuntu LTS and the graphic card from a  aspire 5253 is kind of slow
[17:43] <mozambique> can someone give me a hit
[17:43] <KBar> TJ- the page is immutable. I sent an email to ubuntu-doc mailing list.
[17:44] <KBar> mozambique, what version of Ubuntu?
[17:44] <TJ-> KBar: I think it is because the browsers are part of another policy - cannot imagine they'd be forgotten
[17:44] <mozambique> 20.04 LTS
[17:45] <mozambique> my idea is to make a update to the software
[17:45] <mozambique> but at the moment can't help with the programing
[17:45] <mozambique> so request assistance???
[17:45] <KBar> Well, there's nothing software can do if your hardware isn't capable enough.
[17:46] <mozambique> No I really think is software
[17:46] <mozambique> because the time of waitng
[17:46] <mozambique> *waiting
[17:46] <mozambique> is too long
[17:46] <mozambique> especially on startup
[17:46] <mozambique> or log on log off
[17:46] <KBar> mozambique, if you insist, then run this command so wonderful people here can help you:
[17:46] <KBar> sudo lshw | pastebinit
[17:46] <mozambique> ok
[17:46] <KBar> And post the link here.
[17:47] <KBar> Knowledgeable people will chime in and hopefully guide you along. Just be patient.
[17:49] <KBar> TJ-, hmm, could be. They should still be mentioned here, in my opinion.
[17:49] <mozambique> just a moment
[17:50] <mozambique> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3qVmSFTPsv/
[17:50] <mozambique> ok
[17:50] <mozambique> is that it
[17:51] <mozambique> ok
[17:51] <mozambique> hope my work is done
[17:51] <mozambique> see ya
[17:51] <mozambique> thanks
[17:52] <KBar> what?
[17:52] <KBar> is that a joke?
[17:52] <shadow255> well it's a very unusual way to seek help if not
[17:52] <TJ-> KBar: it is best to ask in #ubuntu-devel and point to that page
[17:53] <KBar> It's actually impressive he even managed to boot into system with that kind of hardware!
[17:55] <KBar> Why is your software so slow, Mr. Shuttleworth?!:-/
[18:24] <neteng1198sp> At what I assume is the end of an autoinstall, I see  [OK] Reached target Cloud-init target.  Then it sits at connecting… and I get the spinning wheel.  It literally just sits there.  I drop into alt-f2.  I can verify /var/lib/cloud/instance, has the meta-data instance and inside there are the vendor-data, user-data and cloud-config files.  I'm not sure what the next step is in troubleshooting why it just hangs.  I did do a cloud
[18:24] <neteng1198sp> clean and then a cloud-init -d init.  Should that not follow the autoinstall and set it up based on the user-data file?
[18:43] <rfm> neteng1198sp, if it "reached target Cloud-init" cloud init is done, and if you're seeing a spinning wheel gdm has started the X server (or wayland, I guess, if you use that).  if you can log in the console session, I can't think of what could be hanging; I'd run ps to see what is runnning, look at log messages, systemctl status, etcs,
[18:48] <neteng1198sp> rfm: Did not load X.  Since I see that message, if I reboot the server it should not have the config of the autoinstall?  I reboot and it says can't find bootable media.
[18:49] <neteng1198sp> I should it that it should have the new configs based off of the autoinstall....
[18:52] <rfm> neteng1198sp, ok, it's earlier in the install than I thought, hasm't gotten to booting the installed system yet.  Don't know what is displaying a "spinning wheel" then. I wonder what it's "connecting..." to?
[18:54] <neteng1198sp> spinning ascii wheel.
[18:55] <neteng1198sp> I have no idea what it is trying to connect to.
[18:57] <neteng1198sp> To me it feels like it hasn't started the process.
[19:00] <rfm> neteng1198sp, yeah it sounds like its hung very very early in the install. what are you booting the install from?   (is this a VM or actual hardware?)
[19:00] <neteng1198sp> netbooting from a VM to physical hardware
[19:05] <rfm> neteng1198sp, got to be the net connection or the boot server then.  I know nothing about how netbooting works for ubuntu, so no idea what to look for, sorry.
[19:07] <neteng1198sp> Thanks for trying….  It is able to connect to the original location it ran the iso from along with grabbing the user-data
[19:13] <tomreyn> neteng1198sp: i'd try #ubuntu-server for subiquity / autoinstall help (and bring much patience), or enter a support contract.
[19:14] <neteng1198sp> Did a support contract and ticket open….  Just hoping to get answers sooner rather than later.
[19:14] <tomreyn> there's much discussion around autoinstall on community.ubuntu.com, if that helps.
[19:14] <neteng1198sp> yeap… combed thru all of that the paste few days
[19:46] <backthen> when I click 'software install', the cursor spins for a while and then nothing happens. How do I know what's wrong
[19:48] <sillymob[m]> backthen: maybe nothing is wrong
[19:51] <tomreyn> backthen: that's certianly one of the situations where it's good to be able to have a shell available, where you can get useful error messages.
[19:52] <tomreyn> even running the graphical tool from a terminal an inspecting its output might give a clue (though there can be a lot of useless output and difficult to identify error messages then)
[19:53] <tomreyn> and yes, ideally, this would not be necessary, if the graphical software would handle this situation better.
[19:54] <Rachel> Hi! Does anyone know if there's an appindicator for Thunderbird so I don't have to rely on Chrome extensions for notifying me of new mail?
[19:56] <Rachel> brb I think I picked a wrong username, I don't know if people can read my messages
[19:56] <Rachel2021112420> Hi! Does anyone know if there's an appindicator for Thunderbird so I don't have to rely on Chrome extensions for notifying me of new mail?
[19:58] <sillymob[m]> Rachel2021112420: thunderbird should be able to send you notifications natively
[19:58] <Rachel2021112420> Also when it's not running in the foreground?
[20:01] <tomreyn> As long as it's running, and you're using the default Ubuntu desktop
[20:01] <tomreyn> (and you have that option enabled in thunderbird)
[20:03] <Rachel2021112420> Yeah ok I was afraid that's the case:P  I'll just use a different workspace for that then, no biggie. I'm a bit of an organisatory maniac:P
[21:08] <blei> any way to list the additional packages you have installed over base?
[21:08] <fengshaun> how do I prevent ubuntu from hijacking Ctrl-. in emacs?
[21:08] <fengshaun> whenever I press C-. which is my binding to move around within emacs, ubuntu shows a "e" popup and I have to press enter. It seems like it wants me to enter multiple characters, but then when I press enter it enters the same characters I entered in that small black popup in the editor
[21:08] <fengshaun> I disabled whatever I could find in settings regarding compose key
[21:08] <fengshaun> this is what I see: https://i.postimg.cc/859Cmq99/Screenshot-from-2021-11-23-17-12-01.png
[21:13] <sarnold> blei: it's not *quite* the same thing, but apt-mark showmanual might be useful
[21:15] <blei> would be looking for a more surgical solution perhaps..
[21:15] <blei> I did them all today. How about via a directory listing
[21:23] <sarnold> blei: oh, that helps immensely :) /var/cache/apt/archives has a cache of downloaded packages
[21:26] <sarnold> blei: it'll also have updates, etc of stuff that was already installed.. /var/log/dpkg.log and /var/log/apt/history.log might also be helpful (I personally find the apt logs way easier to read than the dpkg logs)
[21:42] <sybariten> evening!
[21:42] <VMGuy23> Hello!
[21:43] <sybariten> I'm not too familiar with node.js . At all. Does anyone know if the standrard procedure for installing it on ubuntu is through a curl thing?
[21:43] <sybariten> As in: it's not as simple as "sudo apt install nodejs" or something like that?
[21:43] <VMGuy23> I think it is
[21:45] <sybariten> Cause we had that in a school guide, for preparing us for node.js exercises. And i just wanted to make sure there's not a more "basic" way. I always try to install everything through as little tinkering as possible. But it's all good i guess
[21:45] <sybariten> https://github.com/nodesource/distributions/blob/master/README.md
[21:46] <sarnold> sybariten: afaik, no one has been providing security fixes to the ubuntu nodejs package; it might be best to see if there's a snap that gets regular updates, or see if the upstream folks have a repo you can use
[21:46] <sybariten> sarnold: could you explain that again please? I didn't quite follow. I've never used snaps actually
[21:46] <sybariten> but have managed without
[21:47] <sarnold> sybariten: nodejs in ubuntu is in universe, which means it's community supported; I don't think anyone's provided us with updates to sponsor.. https://ubuntu.com/security/cve?q=&package=nodejs&priority=&version=&status=
[21:48] <sarnold> sybariten: there's a snap that appears to be nodejs, and appears to have been updated a month ago, so it's possible that's a better choice https://snapcraft.io/node
[21:53] <sybariten> sarnold: and what's the "opposite" of universe, standard?
[21:54] <sybariten> basically it's not "approved" to be among the default choice of software, i take it?
[21:54] <tomreyn> !repos
[21:56] <tomreyn> And there is "What software is supported by the Ubuntu Security team?" at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/FAQ
[21:57] <sybariten> ok, thanks sarnold !
[21:57] <sybariten> amd tomreyn
[21:57] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[22:36] <hans> how do you specify dns as a kernel parameter in Ubuntu? for example in Debian one would do: ip=[DEVICE]:[CLIENT_IP]:[NETMASK]:[GATEWAY_IP]:[NAMESERVER]
[22:36] <hans> but the only syntax i can find documentation for in Ubuntu is: ip=IFACE,ADDRESS,NETMASK,GATEWAY
[22:36] <hans> per http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man7/casper.7.html
[22:37] <hans> also why the balls did Ubuntu decide to change the format of the ip= kernel argument? x.x
[22:38] <hans> did Ubuntu support the ip argument before debian, or did some ubuntu developer hate the debian format so much that they thought it worthwhile to change?
[22:45] <TJ-> hans: _handle_device_vs_ip() reads the standard ip=colon:separated:values
[22:46] <hans> TJ-, does that mean that Ubuntu probably support the same ip= format as Debian?
[22:48] <TJ-> hans: actually, that just makes sure there's a DEVICE set; configure_networking() does the actual IP assignments
[22:48] <TJ-> hans: nothing to do with Debian' it supports the kernel's ip= definition
[22:49] <TJ-> hans: but this is all done by the initramfs-tools scripts in ./scripts/functions::configure_networking()
[22:49] <TJ-> hans: casper is a special case I think; casper is for the bootable ISO images
[22:50] <osse> I just upgraded to 21.10. It seems the window borders (the top line with the buttons) are sometimes light and sometimes dark. Is this correct?
[22:51] <TJ-> hans: https://sources.debian.org/src/initramfs-tools/0.140/scripts/functions/#L236
[22:53] <TJ-> hans: that's the Debian code; Here's the Ubuntu. It adds support for a lot more network options like VLANs https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/tree/scripts/functions?h=applied/ubuntu/focal-updates#n275
[22:53] <osse> ie: https://imgur.com/a/7muL0pF
[22:54] <hans> TJ-, interesting, thanks, i do see some references to DNS there but not sure if that translate to actual kernel arguments
[22:56] <sarnold> sybariten: packages in 'main' get security support from canonical
[22:57] <TJ-> hans: it does get challenging to read. Kernel docs say: " ip=<client-ip>:<server-ip>:<gw-ip>:<netmask>:<hostname>:<device>:<autoconf>:<dns0-ip>:<dns1-ip>:<ntp0-ip> " so that is args 8 and 9
[23:00] <TJ-> hans: strange; I see references to variables IPV4DNS0 (and 1) but nowhere do I see those being set
[23:03] <hans> strange indeed.. i wonder if that's a bug
[23:03] <hans> maybe the dev meant to add some arguments for setting them but never got that far?
[23:03] <TJ-> hans: also, I notice that the Ubuntu scripts are writing netplan configs; so for those of us with netplan disabled or removed, it won't work
[23:10] <TJ-> hans: ahhh! the full range of arguments are eventually passed to the kernel's klibc/bin/ipconfig tool!
[23:18] <TJ-> hans: finally found it https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/klibc/tree/usr/kinit/ipconfig/README.ipconfig