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| tomreyn | #kubuntu /topic still announces the 21.04 release | 04:28 |
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| RikMills | tomreyn: whoops. thanks | 04:50 |
| tomreyn | RikMills: maybe the 20.04 point release, too? i'm not sure where we're at. | 04:52 |
| tomreyn | oh thats gone, ok | 04:52 |
| RikMills | tomreyn: 20.04.3 IIRC. I'll soert that later | 04:55 |
| RikMills | *sort | 04:55 |
| santa_ | RikMills: can you please put that on hold until we have time to discuss a better strategy | 07:44 |
| RikMills | santa_: I have done most of them now, so may as well finish | 07:45 |
| santa_ | sigh | 07:45 |
| santa_ | look, this unilateral decisions you are making are not specially motivating | 07:45 |
| santa_ | and I have a life and it's not specially motivating - to say the least - to spend a fair amount of hours fixing warnings to see how you import 10 or so in a day | 07:47 |
| santa_ | also, the same applies to fixes that get overriden by one of the many, worthless, pointless syncs | 07:47 |
| RikMills | if useful delta got missed, I will fix that | 07:48 |
| santa_ | that's a plain waste of time | 07:49 |
| santa_ | + the risk of breaking things | 07:49 |
| RikMills | I am not syncing/merging breaking changes | 07:49 |
| santa_ | look, we had a workflow FOR A REASON | 07:49 |
| santa_ | then, you, you alone, without discussion, decided you know a lot better | 07:50 |
| santa_ | one of the points of doing merges from debian with git is, precisely, to reduce the risk of dropping changes accidentaly + not having to fix the same thing again, again, again and again | 07:51 |
| RikMills | if I accidentally drop something important, I will fix it | 07:53 |
| santa_ | have you read anything that I wrote above? | 07:54 |
| santa_ | have you? | 07:54 |
| santa_ | 1. that's a plain waste of time | 07:54 |
| santa_ | 2. you are, unnecesarily, introducing the risk of breaking things | 07:55 |
| santa_ | 3. given the risk above you may break things without knowing, do you even check the status reports before mering? | 07:56 |
| santa_ | * merging | 07:56 |
| santa_ | so the summary of this wonderful "strategy" of the debian syncs | 07:57 |
| santa_ | - more work | 07:57 |
| santa_ | - worse results | 07:57 |
| santa_ | so let's see: hmmm, more cost of maintenance for worse results | 07:58 |
| santa_ | sounds like economy nobel prize or something | 07:58 |
| RikMills | 1. disagree, but I don't mind spending the time | 07:59 |
| RikMills | 2. disagree, but if it happens I will fix it | 07:59 |
| RikMills | 3. I plan to do a full QA run when done | 07:59 |
| santa_ | haha, absolutely great | 08:01 |
| santa_ | would you do the same if you were doing this for a company? | 08:02 |
| santa_ | or even better | 08:02 |
| santa_ | do you behave the same way at paid work? | 08:03 |
| santa_ | do you? | 08:04 |
| santa_ | "this is a waste of time, but I don't mind spending the time and I don't mind wasting the time of others?" | 08:05 |
| RikMills | not true, as already stated | 08:06 |
| santa_ | what is the point of the syncs? | 08:06 |
| santa_ | (instead of merges) | 08:07 |
| RikMills | what is the point of merges with useless delta? | 08:07 |
| santa_ | 1. not having to re-apply our changes | 08:07 |
| santa_ | 2. reducing the risk of breaking things | 08:08 |
| RikMills | 1. if I accidentally drop something important, I will fix it | 08:08 |
| RikMills | 2. see 1. | 08:08 |
| santa_ | 1. no, you don't | 08:09 |
| santa_ | 2. see 1. | 08:09 |
| santa_ | and if you do, how come powerdevil is still broken? | 08:09 |
| santa_ | how come each time you do a frameworks release, "misteriously" a big bunch of new warnings appear? | 08:10 |
| RikMills | how is pd broken? | 08:11 |
| santa_ | and even if you bother to apply, re-apply and re-re-re-aply our changes, THAT'S A PLAIN WASTE OF TIME | 08:12 |
| RikMills | lintian is constantly adding new warnings. some or trivial | 08:12 |
| santa_ | and you are making the problem worse | 08:13 |
| RikMills | how is pd broken? | 08:13 |
| santa_ | instead of fixing current warnings, you are adding even more | 08:13 |
| santa_ | about powerdevil | 08:13 |
| santa_ | please see: | 08:13 |
| santa_ | http://tritemio-groomlake.duckdns.org/build-status/buildstatus_ubuntu-exp3/ubuntu-exp3_status_plasma.html | 08:13 |
| santa_ | I bothered to do a workaround for that some time ago | 08:14 |
| RikMills | ah, I would see that when I do the QA | 08:17 |
| santa_ | just to see how it's gone now, as usual | 08:17 |
| RikMills | I thought you meant it was actually 'broken' | 08:17 |
| santa_ | aha, so you don't mind about warnings | 08:18 |
| santa_ | well, the problem with warnings is that they hide real issues if we have too many | 08:18 |
| santa_ | which is what is happening at the moment | 08:19 |
| santa_ | and let me insist: what is the point of syncs? | 08:20 |
| santa_ | because I still fail to see how is that good for our users | 08:20 |
| santa_ | while I see a lot of nitpiking imported from debian + new warnings (like if we didn't have enough warnings already) | 08:21 |
| santa_ | and that increases the cost of maintenance | 08:22 |
| santa_ | and that means, at some point, giving a worse service to our users | 08:23 |
| RikMills | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/powerdevil/4:5.23.3-1ubuntu2 | 08:25 |
| RikMills | thanks | 08:25 |
| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 13:27 |
| RikMills | if anyone running impish backports wants to test the Gear (formally apps) 21.12 RC, the it is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/expermintal | 22:36 |
| mparillo | I am glad I have not migrated to JJ yet. So, I added the repository to 21.10 using apt, updated using Discover, re-booted my VM, I used Discover to install Konqueror 21.11.90, and it worked. Also tested were: Dolphin, Klondike, Kmines, Konsole, and Kate. | 23:05 |
| valorie | \o/ | 23:06 |
| RikMills | nice | 23:09 |
| RikMills | it is all uploaded to JJ as well, but some may be stuck in proposed due to test infra issues | 23:10 |
| mparillo | In JJ, it would be in the main repos? | 23:27 |
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