| duik | When I want to install some flatpak packages, it says that my flatpak version is too old. Is there a way to fix this? | 00:19 |
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| tomreyn | duik: i think there's a PPA providing newer flatpak versions, have you looked for that, yet? | 00:27 |
| tomreyn | which ubuntu release are you using? | 00:27 |
| duik | 20.04 | 00:27 |
| duik | tomeryn: do you know where I can find that? | 00:28 |
| tomreyn | https://launchpad.net/~alexlarsson/+archive/ubuntu/flatpak?field.series_filter=focal looks like it | 00:28 |
| Bashing-om | !info flatpak focal | 00:29 |
| duik | Do I have to uninstall flatpak before adding the PPA? | 00:29 |
| ubottu | flatpak (1.6.5-0ubuntu0.3, focal): Application deployment framework for desktop apps. In component universe, is optional. Built by flatpak. Size 1,044 kB / 5,590 kB. (Only available for linux-any.) | 00:29 |
| tomreyn | duik: it might be good, in case there is no clean upgrade path | 00:30 |
| duik | Ok thanks | 00:30 |
| tomreyn | so you don't have to, but personally i would, unless that would make things a lot more complex | 00:30 |
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| Guest78 | Hi. Could someone please give me the default iptables on Ubuntu 20.04 (not sure if there's a rules file in /etc/iptables you could paste me, if not try "iptables --list")? My cloud provider gave me a large-ish default iptables list, and I want to know what I can delete safely to have the same system as I would on a stock Ubuntu install, without | 01:56 |
| Guest78 | deleting their security rules. | 01:56 |
| tomreyn | ^ solved in #linux, there are none | 02:04 |
| Guest78 | oh yeah, thanks | 02:04 |
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| Guest54 | Hi | 06:27 |
| Guest54 | what is keyboard shortcut to duplicate the display | 06:27 |
| KBar | Guest54, what version of Ubuntu? | 06:30 |
| Guest54 | KBar Debian | 06:31 |
| KBar | Guest54, 18.04, 20.04, 21.04. run this command `lsb_release -rd` | 06:31 |
| KBar | Guest54, are you running GNOME? | 06:31 |
| Guest54 | k=Gnome yes | 06:32 |
| Guest54 | Gnome* | 06:32 |
| Guest54 | I need keyboard shortcut as primary display destroyed | 06:32 |
| Guest54 | and cant see anything | 06:32 |
| KBar | Guest54, there is no shortcut for mirroring. Just unplug the primary display. | 06:33 |
| Guest54 | KBar it is laptop | 06:34 |
| Guest54 | I work out Thank you | 06:35 |
| KBar | Guest54, is your OS Ubuntu or Debian? | 06:35 |
| jon | hello. | 07:01 |
| KBar | hi | 07:02 |
| jon | suh | 07:02 |
| KBar | jon, how can we help you? | 07:03 |
| jon | just checking in | 07:03 |
| jon | fresh install here | 07:03 |
| KBar | congrats and welcome | 07:04 |
| jon | gracias | 07:04 |
| KBar | feel free to ask any for help here. or join #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat | 07:05 |
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| nikolam | Until 21.04 onwards, I get error message and can't use some apps over ssh -X connection (opening application on remote X server, in my case, ssh-ing as another user): https://pastebin.com/fTn544x2 | 09:06 |
| nikolam | Anyone else also seeing that? | 09:06 |
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| Rumen | hi there | 09:58 |
| Rumen | from 1 month or so I noticed a strange problem | 09:59 |
| Rumen | my fans sudenly increase to 2400 RPM (which is OK if the procesors are high) but when cool them fans stays at that speed until I reboot | 10:00 |
| Rumen | https://i.imgur.com/E3MHyrT.png | 10:00 |
| Rumen | Can I fix that? | 10:00 |
| Rumen | I try fancontrol and other power managment tools and no any success until now | 10:00 |
| KBar | Rumen, Ubuntu version? | 10:02 |
| KBar | Rumen, `lsb_release -rd` | 10:02 |
| Rumen | 20.04 LTS 64bit | 10:02 |
| KBar | Ah, okay. | 10:03 |
| KBar | Rumen, `uname -rv` | 10:03 |
| Rumen | 5.11.0-41-generic #45~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 10 10:20:10 UTC 2021 | 10:03 |
| Rumen | Description:Ubuntu 20.04.3 LTS Release:20.04 | 10:04 |
| KBar | Rumen, did you change BIOS settings? | 10:06 |
| Rumen | this is fancontrol | 10:06 |
| Rumen | https://pastebin.com/13Db7buV | 10:06 |
| Rumen | BIOS - NO | 10:06 |
| Rumen | Thi sis DELL T5400 - there is almost nothing to change | 10:06 |
| KBar | Still, most BIOS will allow you to set fans to be always enabled or at their full speed. | 10:07 |
| Rumen | Everything is OK until you start video (even youtube) and 15 minutes later start increase and does not decrease anymore until reboot | 10:10 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: suddenly, meaning after an update or a reboot? | 10:14 |
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| KBar | Rumen, `sudo lshw` and when did you upgrade your kernel? | 10:15 |
| Rumen | I think it happened after update | 10:15 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: can we see your dpkg logs in a paste please? | 10:16 |
| Rumen | https://pastebin.com/dmfRQLAm | 10:17 |
| KBar | Rumen, thanks. Now `less /var/log/apt/history.log` | 10:17 |
| KBar | and search for `5.11.0-41` | 10:17 |
| Rumen | https://pastebin.com/48R2XuLA | 10:20 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: on 17/11 new kernel version, could it be from then? | 10:22 |
| Rumen | yes there is Upgrade: linux-headers-generic-hwe-20.04:amd64 (5.11.0.40.44~20.04.18, 5.11.0.41.45~20.04.19) | 10:22 |
| Rumen | So the solution - wait for a new kernel release? | 10:23 |
| KBar | Rumen, quite the opposite. Try choosing the older version during GRUB. | 10:23 |
| Rumen | OK I will need to reboot | 10:24 |
| KBar | You have 0-41 now. | 10:24 |
| KBar | Choose 0-40 | 10:24 |
| Rumen | OK I will try | 10:24 |
| KBar | Good luck. | 10:24 |
| xu-irc93w | hello | 11:18 |
| xu-irc93w | cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch | 11:18 |
| xu-irc93w | 0:DIS: :DynOff:0000:01:00.0 | 11:18 |
| xu-irc93w | 1:IGD:+:Pwr:0000:00:02.0 | 11:18 |
| xu-irc93w | i want turn on dis gfx card | 11:18 |
| xu-irc93w | and turn off igd | 11:19 |
| xu-irc93w | any help? | 11:29 |
| KBar | It's very quiet here today. Stick around, maybe someone who knows this stuff will appear and offer some advice. | 11:30 |
| xu-irc93w | yeah i tried to install xubuntu from usb for many times, all failed with errno 5 input output error, i dont know why, it seems medias are good, now i got xubuntu via hardisk install | 11:35 |
| lotuspsychje | xu-irc93w: maybe if you give the volunteers a bit more details, they might help you better, like ubuntu version, graphics card version, dmesg log etc | 11:39 |
| xu-irc93w | xbuntu 20.04 ati hd6470m | 11:40 |
| KBar | xu-irc93w, `lscpi` | 11:41 |
| KBar | oops | 11:41 |
| KBar | *lspci | 11:41 |
| xu-irc93w | grep vga? | 11:42 |
| KBar | sure | 11:42 |
| xu-irc93w | lspci | grep -i vga | 11:43 |
| xu-irc93w | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) | 11:43 |
| xu-irc93w | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Seymour [Radeon HD 6400M/7400M Series] | 11:43 |
| KBar | I see. So which one do you want to use? | 11:43 |
| xu-irc93w | well i arealdy did echo ON > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch | 11:44 |
| KBar | All I see is smiles. Let me turn them off. | 11:45 |
| xu-irc93w | use UTF-8 | 11:45 |
| xu-irc93w | its a code isse | 11:45 |
| KBar | Nah, ISO 8859 is needed. | 11:45 |
| xu-irc93w | i want to turn on dedicated gpu | 11:46 |
| xu-irc93w | now its off | 11:46 |
| Rumen | Well, same with the old kernel. | 11:46 |
| Rumen | So it is not caused by the kernel. | 11:46 |
| Rumen | Strange issue | 11:46 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: can we see your dmesg in a paste plz? | 11:47 |
| Rumen | sure | 11:47 |
| xu-irc93w | how | 11:47 |
| xu-irc93w | link command | 11:48 |
| xu-irc93w | !paste | 11:49 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 11:49 |
| Rumen | https://pastebin.com/GisVYUBY | 11:49 |
| xu-irc93w | is it dmesg>pastebinit | 11:51 |
| xu-irc93w | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RXMXcXbz5G/ | 11:54 |
| xu-irc93w | here u go | 11:54 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: sudo lshw -C video plz? | 11:55 |
| xu-irc93w | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/F9Sj33kv6s/ | 11:56 |
| KBar | xu-irc93w, `lspci -vvv -s 01:00.0 | pastebinit` | 11:56 |
| Rumen | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NWmZY3yMNK/ | 11:57 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: tnx, you got a few things going on in your dmesg, i cant pinpoint your fan issue right away though | 11:57 |
| xu-irc93w | https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yxf9kVj8J9/ | 11:59 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: might wanna try looking at your ram, see if your bios got later updates, you got some /loop errors a lot too, few acpi warnings | 11:59 |
| Rumen | BIOS is last ver. | 12:00 |
| Rumen | I checked the whole - there is nothing about fans - only HDD fan, but I don't have such | 12:00 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: maybe check htop too, see f other things could rise your cpu? | 12:01 |
| Rumen | Sometimes I get error when reboot that power supply fan is not working, but it works normaly. | 12:01 |
| lotuspsychje | htop & journalctl -f while you testing around, see if you can trace anything going on | 12:02 |
| Rumen | sometimes there is error - 1bit RAM error ... no idea what does it mean | 12:02 |
| Rumen | the machine is pretty old, but it is OK | 12:02 |
| lotuspsychje | first lines in your dmesg give ram errors | 12:03 |
| xu-irc93w | mine? | 12:04 |
| lotuspsychje | xu-irc93w: no, that was for Rumen | 12:04 |
| Rumen | https://i.imgur.com/cGcuMWY.jpg | 12:04 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: fans blowing constantly harder now? | 12:09 |
| KBar | Rumen, do you only run GNOME? | 12:10 |
| Rumen | at the moment calm https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HWNBQDZwrh/ | 12:10 |
| Rumen | Yes, Gnome | 12:10 |
| KBar | Rumen, `apt purge kactivitymanagerd` | 12:10 |
| Rumen | Usually fans go crazy after 12-15 minutes video | 12:10 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: i see your dpkg logs also got chrome & teamviewer, maybe its some app/startup item? | 12:11 |
| lotuspsychje | video over chrome? or vlc/other browsers? | 12:11 |
| Rumen | Firefox usualy | 12:11 |
| Rumen | online videos | 12:12 |
| lotuspsychje | kk | 12:12 |
| Rumen | YouTube | 12:12 |
| lotuspsychje | pretty weird you didnt have this before | 12:13 |
| Rumen | YEP | 12:13 |
| Rumen | appeared suddenly | 12:13 |
| lotuspsychje | must be something that changed recently right | 12:13 |
| Rumen | one day as I saw movie online fans go crazy and from that moment never stopped | 12:14 |
| lotuspsychje | Rumen: see if you can reproduce that with something lighter like falkon browser or chromium | 12:15 |
| Rumen | OK I will try ... will need 15 minutes | 12:15 |
| lotuspsychje | sure thing, lunch here :p | 12:15 |
| KBar | Rumen, mb also try in a new-user environment | 12:17 |
| dch | I have installed ubuntu server into a UEFI boot VM successfully over vnc. However on boot there is no output/console via UEFI. how can I teach ubuntu to send all the usual console i/o via UEFI? | 12:45 |
| dch | I have tried setting GRUB_TERMINAL=console in /etc/default/grub & running update-grub, still nothing on UEFI console | 12:46 |
| dch | 20.04.3 LTS | 12:46 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi folks | 13:27 |
| yukiup | hi | 13:34 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome yukiup | 13:34 |
| yukiup | ty | 13:35 |
| xu-irc69w | hello | 13:38 |
| xu-irc69w | 0:DIS: :DynPwr:0000:01:00.0 | 13:38 |
| xu-irc69w | what does DynPwr with discrete gpu mean | 13:39 |
| lotuspsychje | xu-irc69w: if you want to continue your issue, please re-state your original question to the channel with your ubuntu release so new joined volunteers can try to help you | 13:40 |
| xu-irc69w | i want to get my ati gpu to work on xubuntu 20.4 | 13:40 |
| xu-irc69w | i also installed corectrl, it shows my dedicated gpu always at 300mhz which means its not working on load | 13:42 |
| xu-irc69w | cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch | 13:42 |
| xu-irc69w | says dis gpu is dynpwr | 13:42 |
| xu-irc69w | hmm | 13:44 |
| jeremy31 | xu-irc69w: have you tried sudo echo DIS > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch | 13:45 |
| xu-irc69w | yes | 13:47 |
| xu-irc69w | it says its not off but in Dynpwr, dynamic power? | 13:50 |
| xu-irc69w | i think my hd6470m not workin even corectrl sees it | 13:54 |
| xu-irc69w | is intel hd3000 full clock 700mhz | 13:54 |
| jeremy31 | xu-irc69w: you might need to do this before switching> export $DRI_PRIME=1 | 13:59 |
| xu-irc69w | bad command | 14:04 |
| xu-irc69w | !pastebin | 14:06 |
| ubottu | For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 14:06 |
| jeremy31 | xu-irc69w: Might be > export DRI_PRIME=1 | 14:07 |
| jeremy31 | echo $DRI_PRIME #would tell you what it is set at | 14:08 |
| xu-irc69w | 1 | 14:09 |
| kishone | hi | 14:10 |
| xu-irc69w | Anyone familiar with corectrl | 14:14 |
| xu-irc69w | i cant find guide which explains in good configurations | 14:15 |
| xu-irc69w | !corectrl | 14:15 |
| xu-irc69w | !info corectrl | 14:15 |
| ubottu | Package corectrl does not exist in impish | 14:15 |
| xu-irc69w | is there a way to see the intime running speed of the onboard gpu | 14:19 |
| xu-irc69w | well i think my dedicated is actually working now, with corectrl thanks | 14:37 |
| xu-irc69w | firefox is heating the cpu so well tho when it playin videos | 14:38 |
| xu-irc69w | let me hog back to $blows to see how it performs with video playing, or i can find a better linux browser with less cpu stressing | 14:40 |
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| D__ | :q | 15:12 |
| linsux | how to view exif in gthumb? | 15:26 |
| meandrain | hi, any idea how I could change nameserver for an ubuntu machine, without modifying the config file ? | 15:39 |
| meandrain | or without modifying the config file for the network interface | 15:39 |
| meandrain | I want to do some tests on a second internet line using IP aliases configured from command line, and not from a config file. | 15:40 |
| meandrain | on other OSes I just edit /etc/resolv.conf, just for dns | 15:40 |
| meandrain | well it seems it worked by editing /etc/resolv.conf | 15:43 |
| Slartibart | I got 'Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-so-a0-hr-b0-63.ucode failed with error -2' in syslog. Can anyone give me a hint on how to solve that one? Google came up empty :-7 | 16:11 |
| Slartibart | minimum version required: iwlwifi-so-a0-hr-b0-39, maximum version supported: iwlwifi-so-a0-hr-b0-63. Interesting version numbering scheme :-p. Seems to be about linux-firmware? Have never checked the version of that one before, but I guess I'll do that now.. | 16:13 |
| jeremy31 | Slartibart: You likely need the backports-iwlwifi-dkms unless it tells you it can't be installed | 16:15 |
| Slartibart | Thanks, checking | 16:15 |
| jeremy31 | Slartibart: The only version is 64 that I know of | 16:15 |
| Slartibart | That sounds not so good :-| | 16:16 |
| jeremy31 | Slartibart: what kernel are you using? | 16:16 |
| Slartibart | 5.13.0-21-generic | 16:17 |
| Slartibart | Installed the backport package, I guess I should reboot now? | 16:18 |
| jeremy31 | Slartibart: yes | 16:19 |
| Slartibart | brb then :) | 16:19 |
| jeremy31 | That should work as it shows max version of 68 | 16:20 |
| Slartibart | jeremy31: Yes, worked. Thanks :) | 16:26 |
| jeremy31 | goog | 16:26 |
| jeremy31 | good | 16:26 |
| Slartibart | Is there any way I could have found out about backport-iwlwifi-dkms by myself? Or is it just one of those "you just need to get some experience first, then you'll simply know" moments? | 16:28 |
| jeremy31 | Slartibart: It might have been in Driver Manager | 16:33 |
| ioria | Slartibart, and (sometime, iirc) dmesg itself should notify you with the firmware git link ("check git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git") | 16:35 |
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| CarlFK | I dripped some coffee on my touchscreen, cleaned it off, now the on screen keybaoard is popping up every min or two. how do I disable that so it doesn't pop up ever? | 17:39 |
| CarlFK | it seems to pop up when I switch windows with super-tab | 17:42 |
| ens | so i'm setting up a new laptop with ubuntu. it's a dell latitude 5480. Everything seems to work fine except the bluetooth is a bit off. I was able to connect my bluetooth headset... but it didn't switch the audio over and didn't show up in settings/audio/output devices for me to manually switch it. | 18:01 |
| ens | i did: pulseaudio -k; start-pulseaudio-x11; sudo service bluetooth restart | 18:02 |
| ens | then reconnected the headset... now it shows up... but only in the telephony headset mode with bad quality audio... and the switcher to High Quality A2DP is selectable but does nothing. | 18:03 |
| ens | pactl list sinks short shows: | 18:03 |
| ens | 0alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1f.3.analog-stereomodule-alsa-card.cs16le 2ch 44100HzRUNNING | 18:03 |
| ens | 1bluez_sink.00_1B_66_88_2A_36.headset_head_unitmodule-bluez5-device.cs16le 1ch 8000HzSUSPENDED | 18:03 |
| jeremy31 | ens what is the sound input setting, if that shows bluetooth headset as input, see if changing it allows you to change the output setting | 18:05 |
| ens | it was initially set to the headphones. but i changed it back to the internal laptop microphone just to see if that would let it go to A2DP mode. | 18:06 |
| ens | it's switched to the laptop but that doesn't seem to make any difference trying to toggle the headphone output quality configuration dropdown. | 18:06 |
| CarlFK | is there a package I can apt remove to get rid of the OSK (On screen keyboard) | 18:20 |
| holgersson | CarlFK: Probably not, but it should be possible to disable it. Which DE (desktop environment) do you use? For KDE the OSK is part of a package with qtvirtualkeyboard in its name, might be 'qtvirtualkeyboard' or 'qtvirtualkeyboard-plugin' or something entirely else. | 18:26 |
| CarlFK | default 20.04.3 focal | 18:27 |
| CarlFK | apt-cache policy qtvirtualkeyboard-plugin ... Installed: (none) | 18:28 |
| CarlFK | rats. can't remove it. | 18:28 |
| holgersson | obviously it's not installed :-P | 18:30 |
| holgersson | I'm not sure what the default DE is, probably either 'budgie' or 'gnome'. | 18:30 |
| holgersson | CarlFK: For disabling this might work (untested): https://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen | 18:31 |
| holgersson | but that one is pretty old, so the software might have changed since then | 18:32 |
| CarlFK | how do I get "gnome-shell overview" | 18:35 |
| CarlFK | $ gnome-shell | 18:35 |
| CarlFK | org.gnome.Shell already exists on bus and --replace not specified | 18:35 |
| ioria | CarlFK, do you want to trigger 'overview' from terminal ? | 18:40 |
| CarlFK | ioria: I want to get rid of the OSK - https://askubuntu.com/questions/84050/how-do-i-disable-the-on-screen-keyboard-in-the-unlock-screen starts with "Search for Onboard settings from the gnome-shell overview." | 18:41 |
| ianliu | I've downloaded an AppImage for Mendeley desktop app, and created a Mendeley.desktop in my ~/.local/share/applications. Now I can pin the app in my favorite apps, but when I open the app, a new "Icon" appear on the bar. Is it possible to make my Desktop file control the application itself? | 18:46 |
| CarlFK | fixed. closed laotop, waited for power light to show suspend, open. no more OSK. | 18:54 |
| CarlFK | I'd be happy to post this 'fix' or whatever somewhere, but I give up trying to figure out where. | 18:57 |
| elhoir | hello there, i need some help. Chromium snap cannot access Aufofirma app (required for electronic spanish government websites). How can i configure it? | 18:58 |
| wizard1 | hello | 19:00 |
| wizard1 | i have question | 19:00 |
| wizard1 | is there any body to help me | 19:01 |
| ens | sure | 19:01 |
| noz | i can try | 19:01 |
| wizard1 | ens: i have a problem in my color of my termnial | 19:01 |
| wizard1 | it doesn't work | 19:02 |
| ens | which terminal are you using? | 19:02 |
| wizard1 | all color is whit and black | 19:02 |
| wizard1 | i mean all text | 19:02 |
| wizard1 | tango | 19:03 |
| wizard1 | yesterday i deleted some files do you think it's because of that | 19:04 |
| wizard1 | ?? | 19:04 |
| wizard1 | ens:?? | 19:04 |
| ens | yeah could be. trying to think of what to suggest you to check. | 19:04 |
| ens | go to a directory with files and type: ls --color=auto | 19:04 |
| ens | see if that shows colors | 19:05 |
| wizard1 | command not found | 19:06 |
| ens | ok try type: /bin/ls --color=auto | 19:06 |
| wizard1 | how can i fix it what files are related to | 19:06 |
| wizard1 | colors of terminal | 19:07 |
| wizard1 | it worked | 19:08 |
| wizard1 | ens: but when i type ls again it doesnot work | 19:08 |
| ens | even when you do: /bin/ls ? | 19:09 |
| wizard1 | 2yes | 19:09 |
| ens | sounds like you may have deleted something important :x | 19:10 |
| wizard1 | yes , | 19:10 |
| wizard1 | but how can i solve it | 19:10 |
| ens | not sure. if you have removed system files like that then the best action is probably to take a backup of all your data and do a reinstall. | 19:12 |
| wizard1 | no shit | 19:12 |
| wizard1 | can i recover yesterday deleted files | 19:13 |
| wizard1 | ? | 19:13 |
| ens | it's possible to try that but it's really very complicated and doesn't have great chances of working | 19:14 |
| longus_catus | Anyone understand what's going on with the andy@andy-laptop2 appearing twice? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/891034270058053676/914232881210069023/unknown.png?width=2242&height=1216 | 19:16 |
| longus_catus | Is it supposed to do that, and can I get it not to? | 19:16 |
| ens | so i solved the bluetooth a2dp thing: i did: sudo apt install --reinstall pulseaudio pulseaudio-module-bluetooth; sudo apt-get install pavucontrol; pulseaudio -k; start-pulseaudio-x11; sudo service bluetooth restart | 19:19 |
| jeremy31 | ens: that is odd as IIRC if you were missing pulseaudio-module-bluetooth, it wouldn't have even connected to the headset | 19:21 |
| morganu | speaking of bluetooth. I need/want to get a bluetooth dongle for my old Dell. | 19:27 |
| morganu | I would like a recommendation. On amaxon so many wont do Linux either in listings or comments. | 19:28 |
| morganu | please use my nick in any reply, thanks | 19:28 |
| longus_catus | Some windows have two X buttons on them, it's kind of whack | 19:31 |
| marc_ | Anyone know how to fix a MP510 480GB Nvme drive its reading at 3370mbs but writing at 337mb's | 19:41 |
| tomreyn | marc_: #hardware, unless you expect it to be linux related? | 19:44 |
| marc_ | I had the same problem with windows 10 i changed the drivers in windows 10 and it fixed it same issue now with linux | 19:45 |
| tomreyn | so there are different drivers for it on windows? that's unusual. | 19:45 |
| marc_ | windows 10 installs its drivers which work but the write speeds are not correct | 19:46 |
| jeremy31 | Is there a firmware update available for it? | 19:47 |
| marc_ | nope | 19:47 |
| marc_ | its a corsair mp510 nvme | 19:47 |
| marc_ | I actuall listed all the drivers and cant see it in there | 19:49 |
| tomreyn | you'd need to download and run ssd toolbox to see whether a firmware update is available, those are not separate downloads. but this is really beyond the scope of this channel. | 19:50 |
| marc_ | can i apt-get that | 19:51 |
| tomreyn | no | 19:51 |
| marc_ | ok i found the driver its listed as NVMe namespace | 19:52 |
| ens | jeremy31: yeah. not sure exactly what it did either but it gave it some sort of a kick. oh well. | 19:53 |
| jeremy31 | ens: I know that pulseaudio bluetooth package has the module-bluetooth-discover that is needed for bluetooth to connect to a headset and there was one flavor of Ubuntu that didn't install it by default | 19:55 |
| marc_ | can i use .deb files on Ubuntu | 19:58 |
| marc_ | and if so how do i install with them | 19:59 |
| tomreyn | !deb | marc_ | 19:59 |
| ubottu | marc_: deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click (in Ubuntu) or click (in Kubuntu) on them to start the GDebi utility. | 19:59 |
| marc_ | thanks i got .deb file ssd toolbox i believe from corsair | 20:00 |
| tomreyn | hmm i'm not sure that gdbei is still the tool carrying out such installs, but the rest should be correct. also note that it's almost always better to install debian packages (deb files) from an apt repository - if there is one. | 20:00 |
| marc_ | crossover | 20:01 |
| marc_ | thats what its called | 20:01 |
| ens | jeremy31: yeah it seems to me that this is likely redundant indeed... since i sort of just tried best guesses from stuff i found on stackoverflow | 20:01 |
| ffs | I just booted a computer for the first time in a while that's on 16.04.7. Is sudo do-release-upgrade still the recommended upgrade procedure? | 20:11 |
| jeremy31 | ffs: you will have to change the sources as the repos have shut down | 20:13 |
| jeremy31 | ffs: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades | 20:14 |
| cbreak | ffs: is it worth the trouble compared to just a fresh install? | 20:17 |
| ffs | probably not | 20:18 |
| ffs | In that case, do people have suggestions/pointers on how to install ubuntu alongside windows on a machine with uefi and secure boot? Right now my method to switch operating systems (eg to linux) is to open the bios, disable secure boot, and switch uefi to legacy. Which is quite annoying. | 20:22 |
| EtherMan | Is the glusterfs version in 20.04 or in PPA still supported and at least security fixes being backported from upstreams? (Since as of the 16th nov, Glusterfs 10.0 was released, which removes glusterfs8, which is currently the ppa version, from their patch schedule). | 20:22 |
| tomreyn | ffs: install either in uefi mode. depending on how well done the 'bios' is, you might still need to disable secureboot to install or keep using ubuntu, but usually it will work. you ewould be able to switch between ubuntu and windows booting from the 'bios' provided boot menu | 20:24 |
| rtgg | ffs keeping secure boot disabled and using GRUB to load both OS's ? | 20:25 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: glusterfs is in the universe repository, so it has community support level only. PPAs have their own support policies (or none). | 20:27 |
| marc_ | The problem with the write speeds on Ubuntu i found this article with no fix but shows what i am on about https://askubuntu.com/questions/1277708/why-are-writes-on-an-nvme-slower-under-linux-than-under-windows | 20:29 |
| ffs | This might be getting off topic, but windows crashes when i try to boot in legacy mode. @tomreyn , rtgg | 20:30 |
| ffs | That's why I switch each time. | 20:30 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn: Right, and I'm asking if that support means at least security patches will be backported. 20.04 being stable, I'd assume that's not going to be updated and PPA hasn't even updated to 9 yet so I'll assume that too is going to be a while before that's going to be updated. So unless at least security fixes are backported, it's not like it's in a safely usable state right now. | 20:30 |
| tomreyn | ffs: i did not suggest to do so, though | 20:30 |
| ffs | Oh, you're suggesting install both in uefi? | 20:31 |
| tomreyn | ffs: my understanding is that you can boot windows in uefi mode (after all, secureboot would not be available otherwise). you're considering to reinstall ubuntu. i'm suggesting that you install ubuntu in uefi mode as well. | 20:31 |
| cbreak | ffs: I don't see a reason to use legacy bios mode | 20:31 |
| ffs | I see. The word either mislead me. | 20:32 |
| ffs | Cool. Will try it. | 20:32 |
| cbreak | you can use something like refind if you don't want to switch via the UEFI boot chooser or boot windows via grub, both of which should also work | 20:32 |
| cbreak | at least without secure boot | 20:33 |
| ffs | grub is fine for me | 20:33 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: there is https://launchpad.net/~gluster/+archive/ubuntu/glusterfs-10?field.series_filter=focal - I do not know its status | 20:33 |
| spq | o/ I got a problem: one of 2ssds in my laptop seems to have broken in some way, whenever problematic blocks are read, the device hangs and after a while the device disappears. On the bad disk, i have a LVM PV and a single lv was on that disk, using pvmove I was able to move most blocks to the other disk, now I'm however stuck, as soon as I luksopen | 20:34 |
| spq | the 2nd disk, LVM detects the pvs and starts syncing the pvmove partition and immediately breaks the bad disk, previously I could pvmove --abort quick enough, got an idea how to fix this? | 20:34 |
| EtherMan | tomreyn: Oh I wasn't aware of that one. When I googled I only got the v8 one. Cheers :) | 20:35 |
| tomreyn | ffs: thanks for reminding me, i really need to stop this ambigious word. | 20:35 |
| tomreyn | *using | 20:35 |
| tomreyn | EtherMan: see also https://launchpad.net/~gluster | 20:36 |
| cbreak | spq: physical removal is not an option? | 20:38 |
| spq | cbreak: not sure what you mean, it is an option sure | 20:39 |
| tomreyn | spq: you're saying you were able to move (using pvmove) *most* blocks from the bad to the good ssd. i assume this means that *some* blocks are still (attempted to be) read from the broken ssd? | 20:39 |
| spq | Yes, using pvmove bad_dev:extent_range good_dev | 20:40 |
| ffs | Github is having problems so I can't download/install etcher. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:40 |
| cbreak | ffs: ubuntu has a startup disk creator program too | 20:41 |
| rtgg | ^ | 20:41 |
| cbreak | usb-creator-kde or usb-creator-gtk I think | 20:41 |
| rtgg | dd too | 20:42 |
| cbreak | the kde one worked for me (as far as not giving an error), but I've not yet tried the resulting USB :) | 20:42 |
| spq | The issue is that the last of these pvmove broke and after reboot(to get the dev back) and luksopen it immediately starts to sync, i want it to not sync so I can abort that pvmove | 20:42 |
| tomreyn | spq: i guess that if those remaining blocks can no longer be read then your best option may be to try to ddrescue or similar the full bad ssd to an image and just force it's removal off the VG | 20:43 |
| cbreak | will it still try to sync if the ssd is physically removed? | 20:43 |
| ffs | Cool. Got it. | 20:43 |
| spq | Cbreak: No, but before I luksopen it also doesn't sync (as the PV is on the LUKS) | 20:44 |
| tomreyn | ffs: according to the man page, you can also request to abort the pvmove operation. | 20:45 |
| tomreyn | --abort | 20:46 |
| spq | Yes but it fails before the underlying pvs are there, and when I make them available, the sync starts immediately | 20:47 |
| spq | So I have no time to abort | 20:47 |
| spq_ | *switching to second laptop instead of phone* | 20:48 |
| ffs | Hmm, how suspicious should I be when it takes about 500ms to allegedly write the entire image to the drive. | 20:48 |
| tomreyn | hmm, i was hoping this would call off the 'sync' | 20:48 |
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| spq | tomreyn: did you mean me? | 20:50 |
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| tomreyn | spq: opps, right, this was to you | 20:51 |
| spq | tomreyn: if so, yes - it aborts the move and stops the sync, however it refuses to work until the underlying pv's are available, and making them available starts the sync which breaks too fast | 20:52 |
| ffs | LOL it boots what in the... apparently my usb drive went into God mode for a second. | 20:52 |
| longus_catus | So I figured it out. Gnome under Xorg and Wayland act differently in a strange way. It's like the Xorg one has extra window decorations enabled. | 20:53 |
| spq | so what i need is something that disables lvm's sync'ing system wide or something to disable the pvmove while only 1/2 pvs are present | 20:54 |
| longus_catus | Easiest app that demonstrates this is the File manager app. Or the Terminal | 20:54 |
| longus_catus | Under Xorg, the File manager will have two minimize, two maximize, and two close buttons, along with an extra window decoration along the top that duplicates some of what the one under does. But under Wayland, it looks normal. This is under Ubuntu 21.10 | 20:59 |
| tomreyn | spq: you can define a whitelist of volumes (this can include VG names) to be auto-activated (when all member PVs are present), as auto_activation_volume_list in lvm(local).conf. if undefined, auto-activation takes place for all volumes. maybe this is actually the automation you're seeing. | 21:10 |
| tomreyn | (I do not know what you see, you have not shred output.) | 21:11 |
| tomreyn | neither shred not shared ;) | 21:11 |
| spq | thanks, ill look into this, maybe a non activated lv does not sync | 21:12 |
| longus_catus | I can't seem to add a nextcloud server to the settings for calendar. I enter in the server, username, and password and hit enter and nothing happens. | 21:20 |
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| wizard1 | hi | 21:31 |
| wizard1 | is there any one | 21:31 |
| longus_catus | No, not really, but it's worth a try | 21:32 |
| wizard1 | who knows where can i find | 21:33 |
| longus_catus | Here or askubuntu.com maybe, I don't know. Or just wait for a non-holiday. or Non-weekend. | 21:34 |
| wizard1 | .sudo_as_admin_successful | 21:34 |
| wizard1 | this file | 21:34 |
| longus_catus | I'm not sure what you're asking. It would be in your home directory. | 21:37 |
| wizard1 | yes i know its | 21:37 |
| wizard1 | but i deleted | 21:37 |
| wizard1 | it | 21:37 |
| wizard1 | where is back up of this file | 21:38 |
| wizard1 | man | 21:38 |
| wizard1 | longus_catus: ha | 21:38 |
| wizard1 | ? | 21:38 |
| longus_catus | It's a 0 byte fail and contains no data | 21:38 |
| longus_catus | 0 byte file. | 21:39 |
| wizard1 | so why | 21:39 |
| wizard1 | i get this message when i | 21:39 |
| wizard1 | open new terminal | 21:39 |
| wizard1 | To run a command as administrator (user "root"), use "sudo <command>". | 21:40 |
| wizard1 | See "man sudo_root" for details. | 21:40 |
| wizard1 | y | 21:40 |
| longus_catus | https://askubuntu.com/questions/813942/is-it-possible-to-stop-sudo-as-admin-successful-being-created | 21:40 |
| wizard1 | i've never get it before | 21:40 |
| longus_catus | Because you deleted the file | 21:40 |
| longus_catus | Delete file = message on new terminal | 21:40 |
| wizard1 | i know | 21:40 |
| wizard1 | i know | 21:41 |
| longus_catus | type touch ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful to get it back, or use sudo I guess | 21:41 |
| wizard1 | that's why iam looking after it | 21:41 |
| croraf | Hi. I have several options in GRUB2. How can I see which options there are in the config files? | 21:41 |
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| longus_catus | Well uh the scripts used to generate the config file are like in /etc/grub.d and the variables used by the scripts are in /etc/default/grub | 21:42 |
| wizard1 | longus_catus:ok man love you | 21:42 |
| longus_catus | wizard1: I guess that means it worked. You're welcome. | 21:43 |
| croraf | longus_catus, Oh, I see them in /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 21:43 |
| croraf | As menuentry lines | 21:43 |
| croraf | OK. I use "Ubuntu, with Linux 5.4.0-45-generic" | 21:46 |
| croraf | But this is some old kernel, right? | 21:46 |
| wizard1 | again i need your help | 21:46 |
| wizard1 | man | 21:46 |
| croraf | Which one is the latest | 21:46 |
| longus_catus | use apt-get update and upgrade to get the latest. I don't know for your ubuntu version because you never said what it is. | 21:47 |
| longus_catus | wizard1: I can try | 21:47 |
| wizard1 | my data is english every thing is english about data and time but in top of my screen for the moon of data the language is diffrent | 21:47 |
| wizard1 | how can i change it to english | 21:48 |
| croraf | longus_catus, it is 20.04 desktop version | 21:48 |
| wizard1 | i think | 21:48 |
| wizard1 | yes | 21:48 |
| wizard1 | so what can i do | 21:49 |
| longus_catus | What is the "moon of data?" | 21:49 |
| wizard1 | for example novamber | 21:50 |
| wizard1 | december | 21:50 |
| wizard1 | its not english | 21:50 |
| longus_catus | croraf: I'd run the apt command to update my system if I wanted to make sure I had the newest kernel release available | 21:50 |
| longus_catus | Ah, that's called a month | 21:50 |
| croraf | longus_catus, I have 5.4 kernel selected as default in GRUB | 21:50 |
| wizard1 | yes i told it | 21:51 |
| croraf | I can run apt update as much as I want | 21:51 |
| wizard1 | what can i do | 21:51 |
| croraf | I have a lot of kernels listed using dpkg --list | grep linux-image | 21:51 |
| croraf | Latest ones are 5.10, there are many of them but they are all -oem | 21:51 |
| longus_catus | wizard1: This guide might be a bit old, but should contain the gist of what to do | 21:52 |
| longus_catus | add | grep ^ii to only show installed kernels | 21:53 |
| longus_catus | https://askubuntu.com/questions/265753/how-to-change-date-time-format-to-english oops this is the guide | 21:53 |
| croraf | longus_catus, OK I added that, and I guess these are the ones that are offered in my GRUB | 21:55 |
| longus_catus | People generally keep the last 2 versions. So remove older ones if you want. | 21:56 |
| croraf | OK, here comes the problem. Which are the two latest? | 21:56 |
| croraf | ii linux-image-5.10.0-1049-oem 5.10.0-1049.51 amd64 Signed kernel image oem | 21:57 |
| croraf | ii linux-image-5.10.0-1050-oem 5.10.0-1050.52 amd64 Signed kernel image oem | 21:57 |
| croraf | ii linux-image-5.10.0-1051-oem 5.10.0-1051.53 amd64 Signed kernel image oem | 21:57 |
| croraf | ii linux-image-5.4.0-45-generic 5.4.0-45.49 amd64 Signed kernel image generic | 21:57 |
| croraf | ii linux-image-5.4.0-90-generic 5.4.0-90.101 amd64 Signed kernel image generic | 21:57 |
| longus_catus | Ah, pasting a bunch of stuff isn't a good idea. I suppose 5.10.0-1051 is the newest of the 5 that were printed. Aren't they ordered in the grub menu? You can use that for reference too. | 21:58 |
| croraf | OK. You suppose, but you dont know? | 22:00 |
| croraf | You see that these kernels have the suffix -oem | 22:00 |
| croraf | So the uestion is now which are the latest and how can I know or get the latest | 22:01 |
| longus_catus | The -oem has to do with certain machines eligible for it. The details are at https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle. Use uname -r to find the kernel you're currently running. I think you can do the math to figure out the kernel prior, but I don't really suppose you need linux-image-5.4.0-45-generic but I might keep the latest 5.4.x-generic in | 22:07 |
| longus_catus | case I run into bugs and want to boot previous versions of the kernel. | 22:07 |
| longus_catus | I don't know how to tell what the latest one is other than whatever is available with apt update/upgrade or however you manage it. | 22:09 |
| longus_catus | I mean, how to tell if you have the latest one or not | 22:09 |
| marc_ | how can i display the pcie link speeds on my drives | 22:17 |
| jcbjoe2021 | anyone using office with wine? | 22:19 |
| jcbjoe2021 | if so what version of office works? | 22:19 |
| forgotmynick | how can i allow user 1 to delete the folder 'nginx' and/or any of the subdirectories or files? https://paste.debian.net/plain/1221051 one problem i have is when the nginx folder is deleted, nginx re-creates it under www-data:root. i suppose i could allow users to use run a specific sudo account but i'm hoping for something better. does anyone have any suggestions? | 22:20 |
| cbreak | forgotmynick: do you want the folder to be gone permanently? | 22:22 |
| forgotmynick | cbreak: no the folder is for nginx cache so it is needed. when the user wants to purge the entire website cache, that folder needs to be deleted or they can delete a particular folder | 22:23 |
| forgotmynick | once the folder is deleted, nginx will recreate it as soon as it needs to cache a url | 22:24 |
| cbreak | how about deleting the content of the folder instead of the folder itself? | 22:31 |
| signalblue | rm -rf ./* | 22:31 |
| signalblue | after you cd into the folder of course | 22:31 |
| cbreak | forgotmynick: or use the cache purge stuff they mention on https://docs.nginx.com/nginx/admin-guide/content-cache/content-caching/ ? | 22:33 |
| signalblue | holy crap this channel has a LOT of people | 22:34 |
| signalblue | insane | 22:34 |
| signalblue | and they said IRC is gone | 22:35 |
| cbreak | freenode is gone | 22:35 |
| forgotmynick | cbreak: requires a plus subscription. There’s a possibility of compiling nginx with an open source module but not feasible (yet). I’m hoping someone has something else I haven’t looked at | 22:35 |
| signalblue | cbreak: no it's not | 22:36 |
| cbreak | signalblue: it committed suicide by deleting all channels and accounts. I'd call that dead :) | 22:36 |
| tomreyn | !ot | signalblue, cbreak | 22:36 |
| ubottu | signalblue, cbreak: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! | 22:36 |
| signalblue | how many users did freenode have? | 22:36 |
| signalblue | because it still has 137 right now | 22:37 |
| tomreyn | signalblue: support only here, please | 22:37 |
| croraf | longus_catus, Watching this list: https://people.canonical.com/~kernel/info/kernel-version-map.html I think the latest is 5.4.0-66.74 | 22:39 |
| croraf | There are no hwe versions, and OEM I dont think should be used in "production" | 22:39 |
| tomreyn | croraf: this list looks outdated / incomplete | 22:41 |
| croraf | :( | 22:41 |
| croraf | but this is the official list :( | 22:41 |
| tomreyn | i'll let -kernel know | 22:41 |
| croraf | But, you should be right, because I also have 5.4.0-90 installed | 22:42 |
| tomreyn | if yuo roughly know which packages to look for, packages.ubuntu.com should work. or, if you know the exact names, rmadison. | 22:43 |
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| croraf | tomreyn, do you know where to find the list of latest Ubuntu kernels. Or that is basically the main list? | 22:59 |
| longus_catus | croraf: Why shouldn't OEM be used in production? It's described on the site as a privilege to have over the other kernels? | 23:01 |
| tomreyn | croraf: i don't know that there is such a list - i was not aware of the one you pointed to. | 23:03 |
| tomreyn | but i discussed how you can look up the current package versions. | 23:03 |
| uss | did someone had success to run usb dvb tuner Cynergy T2 Stick micro? | 23:05 |
| croraf | longus_catus, I don't know. I had the feeling it is kind of experimental. But now that I read the docs, seems that it has latest fixes, and only downside is shorter support lifetime. | 23:06 |
| croraf | tomreyn, was it the message from 43:29? | 23:07 |
| croraf | i tghouth it is the message for someone else | 23:07 |
| tomreyn | croraf: it was to you | 23:08 |
| croraf | OK. But guys, I just found this: https://ubuntu.com/kernel/lifecycle | 23:08 |
| croraf | And I isntalled this command, and what got installed on my machine is linux-image-5.11.0-40-generic | 23:08 |
| croraf | So I guess this is the latest for the generic HWE | 23:09 |
| croraf | So I think I should now switch to that version :) | 23:10 |
| croraf | I just dont understand how is this sorted: https://pasteboard.co/PSdb36tdmt3d.png | 23:11 |
| croraf | Why is v11 after v10... | 23:12 |
| tomreyn | croraf: because 11>10? | 23:12 |
| tomreyn | what is it you're trying to do, and why? | 23:12 |
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| croraf | tomreyn, oh I stupid :D | 23:28 |
| croraf | I'm trying to upgrade my system to latest kernel | 23:29 |
| croraf | *latest recommended kernel | 23:29 |
| tomreyn | croraf: if you've got a system which had the -oem kernel pre-installed, you may want to keep that (but you could give -hwe a try nevertheless). if you're on the general availability (vanilla) kernel, yuo could move to -hwe instead. | 23:46 |
| croraf | yes, I was on generic (vanilla). But to which kernel to move now and how. That was the uestion | 23:47 |
| tomreyn | croraf: maybe this will help making the right choice: https://gist.github.com/tomreyn/8d7675840d7bc7389b32e4d8887ca449 | 23:47 |
| croraf | I want to move to the latest vanilla or latest hwe. Any of them is fine. But how to do that? | 23:48 |
| user01 | hi im trying to see if there a program that could take a folder of images, create a collage, and number them 1 to the number of images, is there such a program? | 23:51 |
| user01 | like a combo meal menu for example | 23:52 |
| croraf | What do you mean by collage? | 23:52 |
| user01 | i can show you just a sec | 23:52 |
| user01 | croraf, https://pasteboard.co/fUlsIIMBQZAV.png | 23:54 |
| user01 | so those are all indivdual images in a collage | 23:55 |
| user01 | then id like to have them all automatically numbered | 23:55 |
| user01 | for whatever is in the folder | 23:55 |
| zenof | user01: I'm pretty sure imagemagick can do this. | 23:56 |
| user01 | like a McDonalds combo number sign | 23:56 |
| croraf | So you want to make one image from a number of images? | 23:56 |
| jcbjoe2021 | arch and gentoo wouldn't install on my new laptop and ubuntu did. ubuntu must be the best | 23:56 |
| croraf | Not sure where you want to number them? Where you want to show the number | 23:57 |
| user01 | croraf, with numbers on each individual item | 23:57 |
| croraf | On the center of each item? | 23:57 |
| user01 | legiably on the item or just below -- as long as you can look at it and say "that is image 1 etc" | 23:58 |
| user01 | people have to be able to see the image to know what it is | 23:58 |
| user01 | so if you paste a big fat 1 over the image and they have no clue what is underneath then that's a fail | 23:59 |
| user01 | if it is too small then people wont know what the number is | 23:59 |
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