[09:22] <dragon2> I am doing the dist upgrade, at least an attempt. Should it go as smooth and easy as the last time?
[09:22] <dragon2> There is a config part I cannot remember in the tutorial I found
[09:22] <dragon2> have any of you done the upgrade?
[09:33] <dragon2> I alwasy feal a bit uneasy about these
[09:36] <kc2bez> They left but for the record my work machine started as 18.10 and is now 21.04. I've hit every interim release in between. 
[09:40] <dragon2> it turns out I probably have upgraded to 21.10 already, 
[09:40] <dragon2> I was sure I only did the basic upgrades
[09:43] <kc2bez> lsb_release -a in the terminal will tell you. 
[09:50] <dragon2> lsb_release -a    with a space between -a?
[09:50] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: keep in mind that dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade your system to a new version: https://askubuntu.com/questions/81585/what-is-dist-upgrade-and-why-does-it-upgrade-more-than-upgrade
[09:51] <dragon2> I did sudo apt dist-upgrade
[09:51] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: that's not upgrading from say 21.04 to 21.10
[09:52] <Fatal_Sushi> read the link i gave
[09:52] <kc2bez> dragon2: yes, there is a space between lsb_release and -a
[09:53] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: also just copy/paste lsb_release -a into a terminal and you'll know
[09:55] <kc2bez> dragon2: This page in our manual can help with release upgrades. https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/D/upgrading.html
[09:55] <dragon2> lsb_release -a gave 21.04 hirsute
[09:55] <dragon2> hmm
[09:56] <kc2bez> dragon2 you should make sure you have a good backup before proceeding. 
[09:59] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: you want to upgrade to 21.10?
[10:01] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: if yes then do:     sudo do-release-upgrade
[10:02] <dragon2> I guess there are no reason not to do the upgrade?
[10:03] <dragon2> I was under the impression the hirsue issue of lubuntu quickly got old after the new one arrived?
[10:03] <Fatal_Sushi> looks like my brain isn't awake yet, kc2bez already gave a link to a how to
[10:03] <dragon2> I am reading :- )
[10:03] <kc2bez> 21.04 will go EOL in January
[10:03] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: 21.04 and 21.10 are interim releases which are only supported for 9 months after the release date
[10:04] <Fatal_Sushi> 22.04 will be the next LTS release which will be supported for 3 years after it's release
[10:05] <kc2bez> There is about 3 months of overlap to allow time to upgrade on interim releases. 
[10:05] <dragon2> I might as well go ahead and run 21.10 as long as it is supported
[10:06] <Fatal_Sushi> at least the lubuntu flavor and other flavors. Main Ubuntu LTS desktop and server will be supported for 5 years.
[10:07] <dragon2> the only reason I did the shorter term versions is because of the newer version of FF and libre
[10:08] <Fatal_Sushi> FF is always updated to the newer version, even on LTS
[10:08] <kc2bez> It is supported. It is a good idea to read over the release notes too. https://lubuntu.me/impish-released/
[10:08] <Fatal_Sushi> dragon2: newer doesn't mean it's better by the way
[10:08] <dragon2> I may have been misinformed then, or just misunderstood
[10:09] <Fatal_Sushi> most of the people i know only use LTS releases
[10:09] <dragon2> I see
[10:09] <dragon2> I thought of Debian at first, but they ended up with lubuntu
[10:10] <Fatal_Sushi> Debian has even older packages ;)
[10:10] <Fatal_Sushi> but their goal is stability
[10:11] <Fatal_Sushi> bbl, need to do something
[10:11] <dragon2> I hardly notice the difference on the upgrades, just new desctop background
[10:11] <dragon2> thanks
[10:53] <dragon44> hi
[10:53] <dragon44> I a really dragon2
[10:54] <dragon44> ..and I have a kernel crisis on the upgrade
[10:54] <Fatal_Sushi> just change your nick back to dragon2 :)
[10:54] <dragon44> I cannot boot the machine, it sort of went black
[10:54] <dragon44> I get a gray screen
[10:57] <dragon2> now what to do in a upgrade crisis?
[10:57] <dragon2> I did something wrong, is there a way to boot in terminal and retry the dist upgrade?
[10:59] <kc2bez[m]> What did you see for error messages?
[11:00] <dragon2> unable to mout root
[11:01] <kc2bez[m]> hmm, so what happened exactly?
[11:05] <dragon2> sorry, I had to move the lubuntu computer closer to another unit
[11:05] <dragon2> I started the distro upgrade, I chose Y for yes, it dowloaded all the stuff in about 4 minutes
[11:06] <dragon2> it started installing the packages, as far as I could see, it went on for sometime and the screen went black
[11:07] <dragon2> at first I thought it was within the install process but on further notice the pc was off. I pushed "on" and it went on it to a sort of black screen and kernel panick
[11:07] <dragon2> Now I have rebooted a few times, and have a black screen with all sorts of stack and root issues
[11:09] <dragon2> the last one being --- ( end Kernel panic not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow--block
[11:10] <dragon2> there is a list of stuff under "call trace"
[11:11] <dragon2> is all lost now?
[11:11] <dragon2> arghh.....
[11:11] <kc2bez[m]> That won't be too helpful. You could try selecting a different Kernel on boot by holding the shift key down but if the upgrade got interrupted it might not work.
[11:13] <dragon2> shift key not f-ke
[11:14] <kc2bez[m]> Yes, shift on boot up
[11:14] <dragon2> I was able to choose "advanced option something for ubuntu
[11:15] <kc2bez[m]> ok
[11:15] <dragon2> ubuntu with linux 5.13.0-21 generic
[11:15] <dragon2> three uptions
[11:16] <dragon2> 5.13.0-21-generic (recovery mode)
[11:16] <dragon2> 5.11.0-40-generic
[11:17] <dragon2> which boot up option sounds like a good idea?
[11:18] <dragon2> this is the second distro upgrade on this computer since install, the first I had a short time before I went onto 21.04
[11:19] <dragon2> if I choose recovery mode what should I expect?
[11:20] <dragon2> could I restart the upgrade install?
[11:20] <kc2bez[m]> Hopefully
[11:21] <dragon2> I'm just getting the same kernel panic not synicng message in a back screen
[11:21] <dragon2> on the first two boot options*
[11:22] <dragon2> I'm browsing for options on the web
[11:24] <kc2bez[m]> It might be time to restore from the backup.
[11:25] <dragon2> I only did a back up of document folder
[11:25] <dragon2> ...a reinstall, ouch
[11:37] <dragon2> can you work from the bootup terminal?
[11:38] <dragon2> the odd thing is the third boot up option seem to work?
[11:38] <kc2bez[m]> Which option was that?
[11:38] <dragon2> just old 21.04 I guess?
[11:38] <kc2bez[m]> Well, that might be ok.
[11:39] <kc2bez[m]> Try sudo apt update just to see what happens.
[11:39] <dragon2> every thing is here, browser data, history, documents folder, etc
[11:40] <dragon2> ends with...all packages are up to date
[11:40] <dragon2> I made a mess of the distro upgrade
[11:41] <dragon2> and my bootup
[11:41] <kc2bez[m]> Well, if your machine turned off mid upgrade that is what messed things up.
[11:42] <dragon2> I should do a second attempt
[11:42] <kc2bez[m]> Are you booted into the desktop or a terminal session?
[11:43] <dragon2> desktop
[11:43] <dragon2> works like normal
[11:43] <kc2bez[m]> Make sure you have everything you need backed up now while you can.
[11:44] <dragon2> how do I back up correnctly?
[11:45] <dragon2> I just copied my documents folder to save work?
[11:47] <kc2bez[m]> There are many tools to use, I would recommend at the very least you copy the home folder someplace.
[11:49] <kc2bez[m]> If you end up having to reinstall you can reinstall the applications you need at that time.
[11:54] <dragon2> what was it again? sudo apt do upgrade?
[11:56] <kc2bez[m]> sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:57] <dragon2> no new relase found?
[11:57] <dragon2> maybe I can't upgrade from the alternative bootup?
[11:58] <kc2bez[m]> or the upgrade is in a limbo state.
[11:58] <kc2bez[m]> What is the result of lsb_release -a
[11:59] <dragon2> ubuntu 21.10
[11:59] <dragon2> should I get a new desktop wallpaper?
[12:02] <kc2bez[m]> maybe. I'm more concerned about the kernel issues.
[12:03] <dragon2> I am running the apply full upgrade thing under preferances
[12:03] <dragon2> I ran it, and it came up with "status waithing"
[12:03] <dragon2> waiting*
[12:04] <dragon2> I am is a sort of stuck mode
[12:16] <dragon2> the reboot error: 0.424113 ---(unable to mount root fs on unknow-block(0,0))
[12:21] <dragon2> reinstall may be the best option
[12:22] <dragon2> maybe only the linux gurus can repair a failed distro upgrade
[12:22] <dragon2> might not be any on earth at the moment
[13:17] <dragon2> what about sudo dpkg --configure -a   ?
[13:19] <dragon2> is there a repair function in the install booter?
[13:27] <dragon2> I can't even boot from a usb 21.10 iso today
 Lubuntu thumbnails of .svg files are not supporting some basic functionality (clipping). Where this missing feature can be reported?
 probably here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/ (re @matkoniecz: Lubuntu thumbnails of .svg files are not supporting some basic functionality (clipping). Where this missing feature can be reported?)
[14:57] <kc2bez[m]> To report bugs see this link https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
 > The account you are attempting to register with has an invalid email address (<snip>). This Phabricator install only allows registration with specific email addresses:
[14:57] <kc2bez[m]> Bugs should be reported on Launchpad.
 > Email address must be at one of: lubuntu.me, ubuntu.com, debian.org (re @Maik_aD: probably here: https://phab.lubuntu.me/)
 lubuntu doesn't use launchpad for bug reporting (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> Bugs should be reported on Launchpad.)
[14:58] <kc2bez[m]> To get an account on phabricator you need to email the lubuntu council.
 >  Lubuntu does not use Launchpad for bug tracking. 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu
 Excuse me? (re @Maik_aD: lubuntu doesn't use launchpad for bug reporting)
 I am starting to suspect that bug reports from users are treated as useless annoyance (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez[m]> To get an account on phabricator you need to email the lubuntu council.)
 (which may be true given some ratio of users to developers, but would make reporting bugs a waste of time)
 Bug reports should be on launchpad. This particular issue should be filed against the lubuntu-artwork package.
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu (re @kc2bez: Excuse me?)
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork
 " Lubuntu Artwork must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers. " (re @kc2bez: Bug reports should be on launchpad. This particular issue should be filed against the lubuntu-artwork package.)
 arghhhhh that it is this $INSULT lubuntu.net
 https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork directs to phab that appears to be closed to general public
 Just use ubuntu-bug lubuntu-artwork and follow the prompts.
 The link I provided can help you file bugs as a member of the Lubuntu council I ask you to use that. https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/
 If you would like an account we can give you one, it is only closed to block spam. (re @matkoniecz: https://launchpad.net/lubuntu-artwork directs to phab that appears to be closed to general public)
 Thanks, that worked! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/1952627 (re @kc2bez: Just use ubuntu-bug lubuntu-artwork and follow the prompts.)
 Thanks for reporting that. It is appreciated.
 Thanks for a help! That was really frustrating.
 BTW, do you know where https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/B/Contributing.html?highlight=bug#support-and-bug-triage is being developed?
 I would not make patch as I do not know asnwers but there is "And we could always use help with art/graphic design!" and no hint at all how such people can actually contribute. (re @kc2bez: Thanks for reporting that. It is appreciated.)
 There is
 > What would encourage you to contribute?
 further and I would say that answer is
 "provide some clear way to actually contributing" - for example this part with art. What specific is needed? Vision for full redesign? Printer icon? SVGification of raster icons? New wallpapers?
 It is not necessary to put it there but some link to place with more info or even forum would be useful.
 I am interested (re @kc2bez: If you would like an account we can give you one, it is only closed to block spam.)
 Agreed, we should update this with some clear instruction. I see you are in the development channel, that is a good start. We can discuss further over there. (re @matkoniecz: It is not necessary to put it there but some link to place with more info or even forum when one may declare interest would be useful.)
[17:50] <dragon_> is this lubuntu support?
[17:51] <dragon_> I am in a newly installed lubuntu and looking for proprietary wifi driver 
[17:58] <dragon_> can`t this be done in package manager?
[18:14] <dragon_> is there a way to force a new usb boot on a newly installed lubuntu ?
[18:27] <Maik> dragon_: It would be better if you stick around after asking and give people a chance to respond instead of leaving after a minute.
[18:27] <dragon_> sorry abou that
[18:27] <dragon_> I had a restart and password issues
[18:28] <dragon_> ...and slight panick
[18:29] <dragon_> it was me this time, not just the kernel
[18:30] <dragon_> I am sure your presense worked though, through the ether some how. IT all appeared under additional drivers this time, and before it was just and emty greyed out window
[18:32] <dragon_> back in a minute or three, reboot and minor configs