[00:03] <tomreyn> longus_catus: there is no, and will be no "Ubuntu 21.20"
[00:15] <guiverc> longus_catus, Ubuntu releases are year.month in format; 20 makes no sense on a 12 month calendar
[00:22] <srv> im using winbuntu 20.04 :P
[00:40] <Dr-007> this is me via ubuntu
[00:40] <Dr-007> so, jeej
[00:40] <longus_catus> I upgraded so I didn't have to compile some libraries.  I made a mistake.
[00:45] <longus_catus> Now every time I alt-tab from a gnome terminal, vi exits insert mode.
[01:57] <natewrench123456> has ubuntu moved to the gnome 42 DE yet?
[01:57] <EtherMan> I'm trying to get Steam working on 20.04. 'apt install steam steam-installer' finished just fine, but actually launching it afterwards doesn't work. If I launch from the app drawer, just plain nothing happens. If I instead try from a terminal, results in https://pastebin.com/rhATmFbu I've both ram and disk is fine though :/  I've also tried reinstalling it with same result, as well as deleting .steam with no success as well as steam --reset (seems
[01:57] <EtherMan>  to do nothing unless steam is actually installed).
[01:59] <natewrench123456> EtherMan, did you uninstall your DE
[01:59] <EtherMan> natewrench123456: -_-   no.....
[02:00] <tomreyn> natewrench123456: you can inspect package versions on different ubuntu releases at https://packages.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <natewrench123456> EtherMan, try downloading the deb from steam offical site
[02:00] <natewrench123456> steampowered.com
[02:01] <natewrench123456> https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/client/installer/steam.deb
[02:05] <EtherMan> O_o... The official grabbed a whole bunch of dependencies that wasn't installed >_<
[02:06] <EtherMan> buuuut ultimate segfaulted that too...
[02:06] <EtherMan> ultimately*
[02:06] <tomreyn> unless you have games / saves in there that you don't want to loose, i'r start with   rm -r /home/etherman/.steam/
[02:07] <EtherMan> tomreyn: As I said, I already have tried that.
[02:07] <EtherMan> It's a completely brand new install and everything :/
[02:08] <tomreyn> okay, sorry, missed that. then i don't know. is your system up to date, yet?
[02:08] <EtherMan> Funny thing is that I know I've had this working before on this very laptop. The only thing different is that I moved /usr to a separate partition :/
[02:08] <EtherMan> apt update and apt upgrade is done yes.
[02:09] <tomreyn> how about apt full-upgrade ?
[02:09] <EtherMan> Nothing there either.
[02:14] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what segfaulted on your paste. you could try to run the shell script (I assume it is) with +x, that may help narrowing it down
[02:14] <EtherMan> Gonna try just copying over /usr to the root device and see. I know the drive is ok but at least I know that setup has worked.
[02:15] <EtherMan> It doesn't finish fetching it. The very first thing it's supposed to do is fetch a bunch of scripts, and it doesn't succeed with even that much :/
[02:16] <EtherMan> So it doesn't have any script beyond the main script itself which I'm not even sure is a script, I just assume it is
[02:17] <natewrench123456> EtherMan, can you install snapcraft then do sudo snap install steam
[02:17] <EtherMan> I'd really prefer not using snap...
[02:17] <natewrench123456> EtherMan, can you use flatpaks?
[02:18] <tomreyn> oh so it's an issue with the downloader? maybe you can run that through some tunnel, vpn or similar, in case you're hitting a bad router which is breaking your download
[02:18] <natewrench123456> well steam isnt free software so its not like using snaps will hurt you
[02:18] <EtherMan> I'd prefer not using flatpaks either... Look, I get that they're great for devs and stuff, but for regular end users, they're just plain horrible...
[02:18] <natewrench123456> but if they work then the ends justify the means
[02:19] <EtherMan> Not really.
[02:31] <Dr-007> in ubuntu software center i rarely get screenshots. is there something wrong?
[02:32] <EtherMan> Sigh. Oh goodie… back to soft lockup because some update decided to write to the boot sector again… sigh…
[02:32] <Dr-007> also when i focus on this irc client (hexchat) and back to software center it seems to restart everytime i focus..
[02:38] <GeeTee> hello
[02:39] <Dr-007> hmz.. something really wierd is going on
[02:39] <Dr-007> well.. hold your horses, i installed ubuntu fine and everything works fine
[02:39] <GeeTee> like
[02:39] <GeeTee> what
[02:39] <Dr-007> but this software center, when i install stuff it doesnt show up
[02:39] <Dr-007> spotify
[02:39] <Dr-007> filezilla
[02:40] <Dr-007> i can make screenshots
[02:40] <GeeTee> so whats going on here
[02:40] <GeeTee> where is every one from
[02:40] <Dr-007> im from mars
[02:40] <Dr-007> men are from mars, i heard
[02:40] <GeeTee> im from but hole town
[02:40] <Dr-007> no way
[02:41] <GeeTee> yes
[02:41] <GeeTee> for real babby
[02:41] <GeeTee> babe?
[02:41] <Dr-007> thats one town over from what?
[02:41] <GeeTee> over the hill to the big nut sack village
[02:42] <GeeTee> lol
[02:42] <Dr-007> right
[02:42] <GeeTee> yup
[02:42] <Dr-007> anyways, back to my 'problems'
[02:42] <GeeTee> im in pasadena
[02:42] <Dr-007> i want to edit a few things in ubuntu
[02:42] <GeeTee> ca
[02:42] <GeeTee> like
[02:42] <GeeTee> i just got it going on this old lap top i got
[02:42] <Dr-007> like the button 'show applications' its now on the bottom right of my screen
[02:43] <Dr-007> by default the whole dock aligns to the right
[02:43] <GeeTee> its a eee netbook
[02:43] <Dr-007> i made it align to the bottom
[02:43] <Dr-007> now this buttons is aligning to the right
[02:43] <Dr-007> how can i make it float: left?
[02:43] <GeeTee> im not sure
[02:43] <GeeTee> buddy
[02:43] <GeeTee> gooogle it
[02:43] <GeeTee> thts what i do
[02:44] <Dr-007> pasadena?
[02:44] <Dr-007> that's the usa, right?
[02:45] <Dr-007> and.. dont you think ive tried googling
[02:45] <Dr-007> gosh
[02:45] <Dr-007> there's too many answers
[02:46] <Dr-007> i tried `settings set org.gnome.shell.extensions.dash-to-dock show-apps-at-top true` to make this button float left
[02:46] <Dr-007> but it didnt work
[02:46] <Dr-007> hence me being here
[02:47] <Dr-007> an eee netboo?
[02:47] <Dr-007> oh
[02:47] <Dr-007> he's gone..
[05:44] <Dr-007> i found some gnome extensions to make my desktop feel right
[05:44] <Dr-007> just one last thing
[05:44] <Dr-007> i want to replace an icon of the app that is running
[05:44] <Dr-007> but when i do this via nautilus (even with sudo) it doesnt change
[05:45] <Dr-007> the icon im talking about i the one that appears in the bar at the bottom
[05:45] <Dr-007> or in defualt ubuntu, the bar on the right
[05:45] <Dr-007> any tips to do this?
[05:57] <pikapika> 'sof-audio-pci' is in 18.04 or 20.04+?
[05:58] <pikapika> my kernel is 4.15
[06:08] <pikapika> ok
[06:08] <pikapika> 20.04 seems to have kernel 5.8
[06:08] <pikapika> which I am told should have the shit
[06:09] <pikapika> Its a fresh install so I dont mind doing a dist upgrade, later
[07:50] <anova> My Kubuntu is using 9,7 GiB of 14,8 GiB RAM memory, but under applications in System Monitor it only shows qBittorrent using 1,1GiB at max.. not much else. how to check what is eating my ram?
[07:52] <pikapika> Why does the live image for 20.04 (xubuntu) take so much longer to boot than 18.04
[07:56] <pikapika> oh nice
[07:56] <pikapika> As stated in the release notes, support for tigerlake was added
[07:56] <pikapika> so shits working better now
[07:56] <pikapika> within the live image
[07:56] <pikapika> I think I am going to dist upgrade then
[07:56] <pikapika> one thing though
[07:56] <pikapika> speaker is working but headphone not detected
[07:57] <pikapika> let me see what can be done about it
[07:57] <anova> pikapika: I do not think you are supposed to spam this channel with 1 line sentences
[07:57] <anova> !spam pikapika
[07:57] <pikapika> anova, sorry, I am kind of thinking-investigating
[07:58] <anova> What you could do is paste all your findings in a paste site and let people decide whether they want to read it all on a pastebin
[07:58] <anova> Or shift+enter on some clients to make a new sentence without posting. Not sure what the maximum length is here on this IRC
[08:01] <pikapika> Well after an 'alsa reload' the headphone seems detected
[08:02] <anova> That's great man! I had issues with sound before on my Raspberry Pi 400, seemed to be using old alsa-bluez drivers (for bluetooth audio) and then it got replaced by PulseAudio I think or something. It confused me.
[08:03] <pikapika> anova, mostly
[08:03] <pikapika> I was very lucky
[08:03] <pikapika> My first laptop had flawless ootb ubuntu support
[08:04] <anova> I am happy I got Kubuntu to install on a AMD APU. was expecting more issues than I have
[08:04] <pikapika> This one was having a lot of problems with 18.04 lts, I somehow managed to at least get wifi working by a backport. But after research it turned out that it has mostly tigerlake shit, and a new kernel/ubuntu release had added support for that chip. So I tested from a live 20.04 xubuntu lts and everything works nice, I am going to dist upgrade the base system now
[08:05] <anova> I find Ubuntu too heavy, tabled oriented and touch future like. Xubuntu too old for my eyes and Ubuntu Mate too heavy for a dual core
[08:05] <anova> You have Tigerlake?
[08:05] <pikapika> anova, so it seems
[08:05] <pikapika> at least the audio chip was tiger lake, probably the motherboard is too
[08:06] <pikapika> I don't know about these things
[08:06] <pikapika> I just looked up the nnnn:nnnn hex ids from lspci
[08:06] <pikapika> during my debugging
[08:06] <anova> Yeah I understand. I'm somewhat new to Linux but I inspected a lot of computers with Windows in my life
[08:06] <pikapika> anova, is there any problem with tigerlake?
[08:08] <pikapika> hmm it seems from the manual of the thing 20.04 is actually in the supported list but not 18.04, thank god. But ubuntu website didn't have that laptop model listed, I'll check again.
[08:09] <anova> pikapika: It probably still has small bugs with drivers but not anything major I heard about. You can not force 18 on it afaik
[08:09] <pikapika> anova, have you tried ubuntu on a tigerlake?
[08:09] <anova> My friend has, but he is multi booting and uses Windows a lot more now for his games are not Vulkan compatible yet
[08:10] <pikapika> My general preference is for all my computers to be as exactly similar as possible, so my first attempt was to install 18.04, which is flawlessly working on my old laptop. But it led to driver issues that I mentioned above and 20 seems okay.
[08:10] <pikapika> anova, whats vulkan?
[08:10] <anova> I am a poor soul, running Linux on oldskool hardware. Also, I'm not rich haha.
[08:11] <pikapika> Yeah I can't afford the classic linux stuff like xps and thinkpads either
[08:11] <pikapika> Is it only for new games, or does all graphics now go through vulkan?
[08:11] <pikapika> Graphics and video games were flawless on the old laptop
[08:11] <pikapika> I must add, its intel integrated in both cases
[08:11] <anova> Vulkan (German for "volcano") is a low-overhead, cross-platform API, open standard for 3D graphics and computing.[16][17][18] Vulkan targets high-performance real-time 3D graphics applications, such as video games and interactive media. In contrast to the older OpenGL and Direct3D 11 APIs, Vulkan is intended to offer higher performance and more balanced CPU and GPU usage. It provides a considerably lower-level API and parallel tasking for
[08:11] <anova> the application, comparable to Metal and Direct3D 12. In addition to its lower CPU usage, Vulkan is designed to allow developers to better distribute work among multiple CPU cores.[19]
[08:11] <james_> Hi folks, I'm new here. Are rants acceptable here? I'm more in the mood to rant than I am to ask for help ;)
[08:12] <pikapika> anova, so if I have older games that use opengl or directx (through wine/proton) they should continue to work?
[08:12] <anova> It is the opensource variant of DirectX or OpenGL I'd say. I'm not a super leet, hehe
[08:13] <pikapika> I am not a gamer, so I don't have modern games and such. But I do have some video games I occasionally like to play and itd suck if they can't run on the new laptop
[08:14] <anova> pikapika: If I can give you a recommendation, Youtube for Steamdeck + Vulkan. (its the way to make AAA games come to Linux I would say)
[08:14] <pikapika> anova, I don't care about newer games. Mostly my question is, will existing games that used opengl or directx(wine) continue owrking?
[08:14] <anova> If a game is not so modern, usually you get around by emulating. but it costs FPS to emulate afaik. so you always lose performance on Linux so far
[08:15] <anova> Vulkan might fix these issues by talking more directly to the GPU afaik and understand
[08:15] <pikapika> Yeah I am using wine, windows vms, and steam for video games here
[08:15] <pikapika> on this laptop at least all games of interest work flawlessly
[08:15] <pikapika> But this vulkan news makes me think they might cause problems on the new one
[08:16] <anova> no
[08:16] <james_> Is it just me or do alot of packages abuse " install recommendeds" ?
[08:16] <pikapika> anova, no to what?
[08:16] <anova> Vulkan is always an On/off option, you are not obligated. I am a bad person on explaining this. Its more like a compatibility layer so you do not have to emulate closed source stuff afaik
[08:17] <anova> No it will not be a cause of problems for a new laptop, this Vulkan. It can only improve a lot of games, together with Proton
[08:18] <pikapika> ok I see
[08:18] <pikapika> anova, I am sorry I don't understand modern graphics at all
[08:18] <pikapika> Its quite complex subject
[08:18] <anova> That is okay, but a good cheat sheet would be to look at games that are compatible on Steamdeck to know what 100% will be playable on Linux =D
[08:19] <pikapika> the issue isn't linux by itself (because all of those games work fine on the linux currently in this laptop) but more linux+the new laptop
[08:20] <pikapika> ie potential driver etc problems on new laptop
[08:28] <anova> pikapika: You know by any chance how to monitor ram without terminal more? System Monitor seems broken to me on Kubuntu
[08:29] <pikapika> without a terminal?
[08:29] <pikapika> There maybe something in /sys
[08:29] <pikapika> or perhaps /proc
[08:30] <anova> Yeah, like Task Manager under Windows, that does show more where RAM goes to. I am using a massive amount of ram while yesterday it was under 1gb of the 16gb lol
[08:30] <pikapika> anova, oh ok
[08:30] <pikapika> You could use 'top' if you want to see per process usage
[08:30] <anova> qBittorrent using up as much as 1,1Gb. no Firefox open, just Konversation, Explore & qBittorent
[08:31] <anova> htop? or just type top?
[08:31] <pikapika> top
[08:32] <anova> whoa I do not understand all the data hahaha
[08:33] <anova> https://pastebin.com/K3Nc4eHZ <- this is what I see
[08:33] <pikapika> there are many types of memory, mainly because on modern systems and with virtual memory, the system often 'overcommits'
[08:33] <pikapika> the last column shows percentage memory use
[08:34] <anova> how to know which process causes the most ram ?
[08:34] <pikapika> oh
[08:34] <pikapika> mine also shows a %mem column
[08:34] <pikapika> check your man page to see if theres an option for that
[08:35] <pikapika> anova, those are pids
[08:35] <pikapika> You use the pid to see the process
[08:35] <anova> I used htop. it does show that now but still just by users.
[08:35] <anova> Oh pid, process identification?
[08:36] <anova> Theres like 16 processes all using exactly 1147M
[08:37] <pikapika> what
[08:38] <pikapika> anova, you can for instance then use pid -p and find the process corresponding to the pid
[08:39] <pikapika> and also see its ancestry from pstree
[08:39] <anova> pikapika: Apparently something is wrong. https://snipboard.io/NYrE1y.jpg
[08:40] <anova> I'm gonna go with qBittorrent using heaps of memory, not just 1,1 gb
[08:42] <anova> Thanks for the command pikapika
[08:42] <pikapika> anova, good to be of help
[08:45] <james_> Wow I am having the worst time trying to configure X
[10:10] <xu-irc41w> !info xrandr
[10:16] <xu-irc41w> anyone ever tried to over clock monitor refresh rates?
[10:19] <alkisg> Sure, my first time was in 1993 if I recall correctly...
[10:19] <alkisg> Managed to do 960xsomething in my VGA monitor, by underclocking the refresh rate :P
[10:19] <xu-irc41w> so how to see the max ur monitor supports
[10:20] <KBar> xu-irc41w, I'm guessing you're running Xubuntu?
[10:20] <alkisg> xrandr lists that for you
[10:20] <KBar> What version?
[10:20] <KBar> Xrandr is not available under Wayland.
[10:20] <xu-irc41w> jammy dev?
[10:20] <KBar> xu-irc41w `lsb_release -rd`
[10:21] <Unit193> If one is using Xubuntu, one is most certainly not using Wayland.
[10:21] <xu-irc41w> its jammy dev
[10:21] <sebastianos> when running 'apt-get upgrade mysql-client mysql-server' , am getting an error :
[10:21] <sebastianos> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:21] <sebastianos>  mysql-common : Conflicts: mysql-client-8.0 but 8.0.27-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed
[10:21] <sebastianos>                 Conflicts: mysql-client-core-8.0 but 8.0.27-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed
[10:21] <sebastianos>                 Conflicts: mysql-server-8.0 but 8.0.27-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed
[10:21] <sebastianos>                 Conflicts: mysql-server-core-8.0 but 8.0.27-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 is to be installed
[10:21] <lotuspsychje> !paste | sebastianos
[10:22] <nicoz-> sebastianos do not paste too long outputs into the channel
[10:22] <xu-irc41w> 0: +*LVDS-1 1366/310x768/174+0+0  LVDS-1   this from xrandr
[10:22] <sebastianos> ok
[10:23] <lotuspsychje> xu-irc41w: ubuntu 22.04 support in #ubuntu-next please
[10:25] <sebastianos> the error is : https://termbin.com/91vi
[10:25] <sebastianos>  
[10:25] <lotuspsychje> sebastianos: dependency issues often arise when external ppa's conflict with apt, do you have any installed?
[10:27] <sebastianos> yes
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> sebastianos: try to revert your external ppa's back to the default ubuntu vanilla ppa's, then sudo apt update again, see if apt still spits out issues
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> !ppapurge | sebastianos
[10:30] <sebastianos> ok.
[10:30] <sebastianos> lotuspsychje: Thanks.
[11:49] <MaximB> Hi, it's not entirely related but still...in firefox I browsed to some subs website that asked me to approve popups to continue, I approved (noob mistake), and now when I open firefox I get 3 popup msgs (not viruses or anything), how can I disable or revert that approval? where should I look?
[11:58] <MaximB> nvm solved it
[14:04] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:39] <quackgyver> yo
[14:41] <quackgyver> So, every time I've tried buying a dedicated PC for Ubuntu in the past, the hardware has ended up not being compatible with the OS (i.e. having  significant issues). This happened even when getting hardware listed in Ubuntu's own recommended (but unsupported) hardware list.
[14:41] <quackgyver> Now I need to get a backup laptop while my other PC's are in for repairs, so I figured I'd make another attempt at getting myself a dedicated Linux laptop.
[14:42] <quackgyver> Anyone know of a cheap, fully Ubuntu-compatible laptop?
[14:42] <quackgyver> Without me having to get a certified/supported one.
[14:54] <WoolHat61> Hello,
[14:54] <WoolHat61> I have a question. I would like to update my zstd from Version 1.4.8 (ubuntu repo) to Version 1.5.0 (git) what would be the smartest way to do it? When I 'cmake install' it only works with root privs, but then only when root uses zstd it comes up as Version 1.5.0 while my user still gets 1.4.8
[14:54] <WoolHat61> Thanks in advance :)
[14:55] <Maik> quackgyver: the older Lenovo Thinkpad T410 (intel only) works well with Ubuntu
[14:57] <quackgyver> Maik: This one? https://www.tradera.com/item/302393/509115357/kvalitetsdator-lenovo-t410-14-i5
[14:57] <sonicwind> I have a Thinkpad T430 with Ubuntu on it, works well
[14:58] <Maik> quackgyver: yep
[14:59] <quackgyver> Alright. Will look into both. Thanks for the suggestions.
[15:00] <Maik> yw
[15:01] <Maik> quackgyver: i also have a MEDION E6232 which works great with Ubuntu
[15:01] <Maik> upgraded the RAM to 8GB though
[15:27] <supercool> Hello folks!
[15:29] <supercool> I am running badblocks on a usb pendrive in a virtual machine and after a while it is showing a error message as "Remote I/O error during test data white, block (several blocks)"
[15:30] <supercool> I wonder if it's part of the problem identificatin or it it is a problem related to the fact I am emulating the OS?
[15:45] <WoolHat> Can I somehow provide the updated version of an existing package?
[16:06] <quackgyver> What do you think about HP 14s?
[16:06] <quackgyver> Any way I can confirm whether Ubuntu will run on a HP 14s-fq?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> most HPs are Linux friendly HW/driver-wise
[16:12] <mjt> quackgyver: probably will, best bet is to install live image onto usb and boot using 'Try Ubuntu without installing'
[16:12] <mjt> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install
[16:13] <coconut> quackgyver, you can also look here -> https://linux-hardware.org/?view=computers&vendor=Hewlett-Packard # i cannot find your model though.
[16:15] <quackgyver> mjt: I can't try it before buying it, and opening it will void the return policy, so I'll have to just do my research up-front. :-)
[16:15] <quackgyver> coconut: Good call! Will look there. Thanks!
[16:17] <mjt> depending on how confident you are, you could take a live usb to a retailer and try booting it :) been there, takes a bit of courage though. :P
[16:24] <quackgyver> I don't think they'd mind. But I'm not sure this laptop is on display.
[16:25] <quackgyver> https://linux-hardware.org/?view=computers&vendor=Hewlett-Packard&model=Laptop+14s-fq0xxx
[16:25] <quackgyver> Found it. :-)
[16:26] <quackgyver> Not sure how to read the results though.
[16:26] <supercool> quackgyver: you could also contact HP and verify.
[16:27] <lotuspsychje> these days ubuntu will also pick the best kernel for you, some brands/machines will get an OEM kernel etc
[16:28] <quackgyver> supercool: I don't think they'd tell you anything outside of officially supported information. And generally first line support won't even know what you're talking about. :D
[16:28] <quackgyver> Plus I need it ASAP.
[16:29] <quackgyver> Also support for non-Apple devices is notoriously convoluted and terrible. :D
[16:29] <quackgyver> Like, the actual experience of calling in.
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | quackgyver
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> !test
[16:31] <WoolHat> https://stackoverflow.com/a/308961 this fixed my problem
[16:32] <coconut> quackgyver, i would still try and ask HP if you want guarantees, most hardware vendors just know the compability these days
[16:33] <mjt> ubottu: that wiki entry is, relevantly, really out of date
[16:33] <mjt> the latest distribution it refers to is 5.10
[16:33] <mjt> for hP
[16:34] <quackgyver> Yeah, and like I said before, previous times when I've had issues with Ubuntu I've actually gone off of the recommended lists.
[16:34] <lotuspsychje> mjt: last edit, 2021
[16:34] <mjt> 5.10 was released 16 years ago
[16:34] <mjt> it is out of date
[16:35] <quackgyver> I bought an Intel NUC because it was recommended on ubuntu.com, only to learn first hand that going into sleep mode will unconditionally brick the device permanently. :D
[16:36] <coconut> ouch
[16:36] <mjt> quackgyver: really? or does it brick the distribution? I can't see how sleeping a device could brick the hardware, thats bizarre.
[16:37] <quackgyver> https://www.reddit.com/r/intelnuc/comments/408rai/intel_nucs_getting_bricked_after_linux_sleep/
[16:37] <dob1> software updates didn't ask me any password, I don't think this is normal, did I set something as error?
[16:37] <quackgyver> Removing the CMOS battery is the only fix, but on my particular model the battery couldn't be accessed.
[16:38] <mjt> yikes
[16:38] <quackgyver> https://community.intel.com/t5/Intel-NUCs/NUC-failure-after-Linux-sleep-hibernate-suspend-SOLUTION/m-p/487609
[16:38] <quackgyver> etc.
[16:38] <mjt> yeah i looked
[16:38] <mjt> thats messed up
[16:39] <mjt> never heard of anything like it
[16:39] <ogra_> quackgyver, https://ubuntu.com/certified ...
[16:39] <quackgyver> Yeah I don't want to get a certified lappy right now.
[16:40] <quackgyver> Which is why I was mostly asking for tips and suggestions. :-)
[16:41] <supercool> quackgyver: you can check the machine specs and go to each manufacturer to verify for drives
[16:42] <supercool> I think the most trouble you gonna face is with missing drives
[16:44] <quackgyver> Ah I see.
[16:44] <quackgyver> Hm. Is Athlon the AMD counterpart to Celeron?
[16:44] <quackgyver> And is it OK for Ubuntu?
[16:45] <quackgyver> Thinking about ordering the HP 14s-fq0022no. It can be delivered tomorrow.
[16:45] <supercool> Processor will be the less of your worries
[16:46] <quackgyver> https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c07509468
[16:46] <quackgyver> Any red flags here?
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: amd cpu/cards might need higher kernel versions in some cases, and that wifi AX200 has some user bug reports on ubuntu a few
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: but nothing you cant fix in the end
[17:02] <quackgyver> Alright, sounds good.
[17:02] <quackgyver> What was the fix for the wifi bug?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> quackgyver: well we cant generalize bugs, they are usualy chipset/kernel itchy related
[19:07] <MarcUK> Anyone know how to use Wine in here becasue Winehq is full of dead people
[19:07] <plantman> Did they die due to alchohol poisoning?
[19:08] <MarcUK> probably or boredom programming wine
[19:08] <plantman> lol
[19:09] <plantman> try searching "ubuntu install wine"
[19:09] <MarcUK> i got this program its windows it uses a coms port but has a usb leed and the program keeps saying com port not available
[19:10] <plantman> oh, then its above my head, sorry
[19:10] <MarcUK> i got wine installed and the program runs
[19:10] <MarcUK> i even tried editing the registry in wine and it keeps reverting
[19:21] <octav1a> How can I fix grub uefi after windows messed it up?
[19:23] <plantman> run windows using virtualbox?
[19:27] <plantman> but for the quick fix, ubuntu cd should have a repair mode
[19:34] <Rinka> hi
[19:42] <EriC^^> octav1a: what laptop model?
[19:42] <EriC^^> hp, lenovo etc
[19:43] <octav1a> GPD win max
[20:02] <hajonnes> I dual boot manjaro and ubuntu. After Ubuntu update I do not enter grub during boot, and I automatically boot ubuntu. Does anyone have an Idea of what has happened?
[20:07] <hajonnes> I tried 'sudo update-grub' will see if it worked. :)
[20:36] <brandoneliza> is there a way to make distupgrade list upgrades row wise?
[20:36] <brandoneliza> *dist-upgrade
[20:40] <tomreyn> brandoneliza: -V i think
[20:40] <tomreyn> it also changes the output format, though
[20:41] <brandoneliza> hmm not sure how to use those flags `apt dist-upgrade -V i` tries to ugrade the package named i
[20:41] <brandoneliza>  
[20:41] <brandoneliza> huh how did that newline come sorry
[20:42] <tomreyn> yes, that's what     apt dist-upgrade -V i     would do. and that's not what you want it to do?
[20:42] <brandoneliza> apt dists-upgrade list packages for upgrade as "foo bar dar" I want it to display them as "foo]n bar\n dar\n"
[20:42] <tomreyn> wait, no, actually i don't think dist-upgrade takes any arguments
[20:43] <brandoneliza> "foo\n bar\n dar\n"
[20:43] <tomreyn> i.e. not a package name
[20:43] <tomreyn> so why don't you use     apt -V dists-upgrade    then?
[20:43] <tomreyn> or apt-get rather
[20:44] <tomreyn> ...since you seem to want to parse the output
[20:44] <brandoneliza> https://paste.opensuse.org/ab454168
[20:44] <brandoneliza> like ^^
[20:46] <brandoneliza> thanks tomreyn that works
[20:46] <Dr-007> hey guys. ive pimped my gnome with a few extensions. im really happy with how it looks now.
[20:46] <tomreyn> i'm not aware of a way to do the very output format you're looking for, but replacing spaces by line breaks should be easy
[20:46] <tomreyn> brandoneliza: ^
[20:46] <Dr-007> but is there a way to customize the 'show applications' menu and button?
[20:46] <brandoneliza> thanks tomreyn I juste wanted a little more easier readability this works and it also give extra infor
[20:47] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:50] <tomreyn> Dr-007: after 'pimping your gnome',     journalctl -f    will probably be a constant stream of gtk spam now.
[20:51] <tomreyn> (unless you hand picked those gnome-shell extensions very carefully)
[20:52] <tomreyn> i think all of the gnome-shell is meant to be themeable with css, but i would not know how to do this exactly.
[20:52] <tomreyn> (and i would not recommend it if you're looking for a stable desktop)
[20:53] <Dr-007> tomreyn, im going to check the journal now
[20:53] <Dr-007> i installed `sudo apt install menulibre` and am checking that out right now
[20:54] <Dr-007> yeah there is some stuff
[20:54] <Dr-007> i have to reboot, brb
[21:38] <samilinux> error package E:
[22:24] <zenof> hey, I have my user's umask set to 077. when I su - or sudo -i , I somehow inherit those values, as neither for root nor globally umask is set to 077 (but globally to 022). now, what would be the proper way to work with root privileges on the console and have the global umask values?
[22:35] <jeremy31> zenof: Might have to edit the sudoers file
[22:36] <rfm> zenof, put "umask 022" in /root/.bashrc?  Pretty sure "su -" runs that, dunno about sudo -i
[22:40] <zenof> rfm: sure, your suggested explicit setting of the umask values do work, yet I wonder why root would inherit the (non)users permissions, which I think is kind of a security issue
[22:41] <AsenMx> Hello, I have Intel i7 cpu with integrated graphics, I want to plug 2x 4k dispays and do fractional scaling 150%. Do you guys think wayland will be able to handle this better than xorg? Right now on xorg I can feel some tearing and lagging. Any ideas?
[22:42] <Dr-007> hey, if i replace wayland with x11 will this affect gnome? i installed a few extensions and now im super pleased with how it looks
[22:42] <Dr-007> but x11 is needed for vnc-server
[22:43] <Dr-007> or do you guys know of something to run vnc-server in wayland?
[22:43] <Dr-007> (where i can control the actual screen instead of a virtual ubuntu screen)
[22:52] <adam_> Hi - I'm using standard Ubuntu (Gnome/Wayland) 21.10 on a convertible laptop. I'm happy about the fact that it auto-rotates the screen based on accelerometer inputs/events. I'm trying to figure out how to make a custom even listener that can piggyback off of the same triggers. Specifically, I'm hoping to modify a (dconf?) setting to move the launcher bar to the bottom of the screen when it is vertical.
[23:16] <john150> \
[23:25] <john150> ver
[23:26] <john150> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "focal" 20.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8400  @ 3.00GHz (1.99GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.7 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) Swap: 7.4 GiB Total (7.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 37.0 GB / 298.5 GB (261.4 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] @ Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 1h 47m
[23:26] <john150>  34s
[23:28] <Dr-007> is there a way to backup everything from ubuntu in such a way that i can reinstall ubuntu with all my applications and configs. and then preferrably reinstall thise apps and configs inside the newest version of ubuntu thats available at that time whenever i need to reinstall
[23:31] <john150> @Dr-007  I'm new with Ubuntu (linux in general) but I assume there's a ISO type app that can do that?!
[23:32] <Bashing-om> Dr-007: Take a look at "debfoster" = ' apt show debfoster ' . May be of some help.
[23:32] <jeremy31> clonezilla Live, make an image of the entire thing
[23:33] <Dr-007> Bashing-om, thanks.
[23:34] <Dr-007> john150, if i were to create an iso then i wouldnt be installing the newest ubuntu
[23:36] <john150> @Dr-007  Fair enough...  :)
[23:51] <john150> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Ubuntu "focal" 20.04 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8400  @ 3.00GHz (2.38GHz) • Memory: Physical: 5.7 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) Swap: 7.4 GiB Total (7.4 GiB Free) • Storage: 37.0 GB / 298.5 GB (261.4 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] @ Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller • Uptime: 1d 2h 12m
[23:51] <john150>  39s