[07:40] <KBar> Hi, Unit193. I'm on Focal but I really want to use the new version of the Whisker Menu. The description of the staging PPA says that tha packages in it "can be removed at any time". Does it still apply? Shall I really get the source instead, or am I safe here? 
[07:41] <KBar> s/tha/the
[07:48] <Guest5267> hi all, in Xubuntu 21.10 firefox is snap or deb? ( https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210 )
[07:48] <KBar> It's a snap by default.
[07:49] <Guest5267> is snap service uses much memory?
[07:51] <Guest5267> and are there any other packages uses snap as default in Xubuntu 21.10
[07:52] <KBar> I don't know as I don't use them, but you can read others' experiences with them on Ubuntu Discourse.
[07:52] <Guest5267> thanks
[07:55] <KBar> Guest5267, I think it's only Firefox at the moment. `gtk-common-themes`, bare essentials, and obviously the snapd itself should also be installed by default.
[07:55] <KBar> You can try listing the installed snaps. `apt list` is the command, I believe.
[07:56] <Guest5267> but in 20.04 firefox as deb package; right?
[07:56] <KBar> Yes.
[07:56] <Guest5267> thanks all again KBar
[07:56] <KBar> You're welcome.
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Hello i am using Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Description:	Ubuntu 21.10
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Release:	21.10
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Codename:	impish
[08:38] <xu-help60w> and am not able to install asbru-cm on it 
[08:38] <xu-help60w> sudo apt install asbru-cm
[08:38] <xu-help60w> [sudo] password for abhay: 
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Reading package lists... Done
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Building dependency tree... Done
[08:38] <xu-help60w> Reading state information... Done
[08:38] <xu-help60w> E: Unable to locate package asbru-cm
[08:39] <tomreyn> !paste | xu-help60w
[08:40] <xu-help60w> ok
[08:40] <tomreyn> the message is correct and not misleading though, there i no such package in ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/asbru-cm
[08:41] <tomreyn> not all software is packages by ubuntu, or by third parties for ubuntu
[08:41] <tomreyn> *packageD
[08:41] <tomreyn> some additional software is available as a snap
[08:42] <xu-help60w> but this seems to be issue in impish release only.
[08:42] <tomreyn> it's not an issue, and it's not specific to impish
[08:42] <KBar> tomreyn, oh, boy… Somewhere in there Lennart Poettering just smirked and started salivating. You just gave him another idea!
[08:42] <KBar> systemd-packaged coming on all your distros!
[08:43] <KBar> Sorry, I'm off now.
[08:43] <xu-help60w> https://www.asbru-cm.net/
[08:44] <KBar> xu-help60w you need to execute the first line too.
[08:44] <xu-help60w> yes i did that still its the same
[08:45] <KBar> Did you get any errors?
[08:46] <xu-help60w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2b28cbd418805805113da0f2c10e8467/pasted.txt
[08:47] <KBar> You need to contact the developers.
[08:47] <KBar> xu-help60w, this is the line:  The repository 'https://packagecloud.io/asbru-cm/v5/ubuntu impish Release' does not have a Release file.
[08:48] <KBar> xu-help60w, this page: https://github.com/asbru-cm/asbru-cm/releases
[08:48] <KBar> doesnt mention impish
[08:48] <tomreyn> KBar: i didn't mean to ;-)
[08:48] <KBar> meaning its not been made available for impish yet
[08:48] <KBar> Ubuntu can't do anything about it.
[08:48] <KBar> It's up to the developers.
[08:50] <xu-help60w> ok i thought it had something to allow unsecure link.
[08:50] <xu-help60w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/2b28cbd418805805113da0f2c10e8467/pasted.txt
[08:50] <tomreyn> xu-help60w: so, to clearify,  the thrd party repository not supporting impish is specific to impish, yes. it's not an ubuntu issue, nor a specific ubuntu impish repository issue, in the sense that ubuntu just doesn't provide packages for this software.
[08:50] <KBar> It's literally written in there: `You can contact asbru-cm for further assistance.`
[08:51] <KBar> See what tomreyn said ^
[08:51] <KBar> tl;dr we can't help you here. sorry
[08:52] <xu-help60w> thanks let me check with asbru dev team then
[08:59] <xu-help60w> manually i can run it using script on impish(https://github.com/asbru-cm/asbru-cm/wiki/Manual-installation),but as a package i need to get hold of asbru dev team or downgrade to focal.
[09:04] <tomreyn> or you could use another software which does similar and is included in ubuntu
[09:05] <xu-help60w> ok thanks can you suggest some good one
[09:10] <tomreyn> xu-help60w: i don't know what asbru-cm does exactly. but its description sounds like a combination of remmina and shell scripts could get you what you want
[09:11] <xu-help60w> ok asbru is much like mobaxterm you can say but let me try remmina thanks