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davefk, so i've been giving MS Edge (chrome version) a solid poke. I hate to say it, but I'm liking it.00:10
davefi've also been using it on Ubuntu too00:11
daftykinsdiddledani: lol do they do it when arguing about contact pages or some such?00:14
daftykins"don't tell 'em how to contact us!" 00:14
diddledaninah, clients are fine, it's people asking for help on the WordPress.org forums I'm thinking about00:16
daftykinsah00:16
daftykinswow they must really be in trouble if they go there ;D00:16
diddledanioften devs, or people who sold themselves as devs ;-p00:16
daftykinsxD00:16
daftykinsoh allow me to present to you the local bus service website which has at last been redone - and has managed to get worse! www.buses.gg00:17
diddledanithey seem to think that posting about client work is fine, but woe betide the url ever be linked to their identity!00:17
daftykinswarning: eye bleaching will occur00:17
daftykinsthe largest issue is that on the timetables page, you can no longer see the destinations at each time point00:18
diddledanioh, they've only done the start and end, but no stops between00:19
diddledaniaah, they've made it into a "you must select!"00:20
davefwow, i thought our transport company website was bad00:21
diddledanithese are clickable to change the start and end: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ECSP5Rtq/Screenshot%20from%202021-12-06%2000-21-27.png00:21
daftykinsi do not like00:22
diddledanime either00:22
daftykinsalso, are your eyes screaming yet?00:22
diddledanithey've turned it into a mobile-only site00:22
davefRue de Chateau? lol, you in frog land?00:22
daftykinsthings i haven't heard before on IRC :P00:23
daftykinsoui oui, j'habit au le frog00:23
daftykins*j'habite ? i quit French early00:23
davefhein? c'est bizarre .. lol00:23
diddledaniI thought french would be a required subject in the tax haven00:23
daftykinsheh00:24
daftykinsyou could escape and do German or Spanish instead00:25
davefGuys, why are all your street names in French? You all frickin' speak English.00:25
daftykinswell not everyone, there are still some elderly folk who speak the Patois00:26
daftykinsGuernsiaise!00:26
davefSo I could go over there and flex my French?00:26
daftykinspersonally i quite like our quirky heritage - as pseudo-Brits00:26
davefBecause I've never been there00:26
daftykinswell i suppose it's as equally bastardised as Canadian French00:27
diddledanithey'll look at you funny, because you've got American French00:27
davefAmerican French.. lol, it's called Quebecois00:27
daftykinswell he'd rock up with his duty free bag of jaffa cakes and wearing his Crocs so they'd already be staring funny00:27
daftykins;D00:27
davefK, on my way00:28
diddledanido they sell DutyFree jaffas?00:28
davefI think next visit to the UK, I might hop over for a few days, since I've never been.00:28
daftykinsnah but i kind of made it up the other day and i'm sticking to it00:28
daftykinsah ha! well drop on by, you'd be very welcome00:28
daftykinsassuming no plague carrying and all that00:29
daftykins<_< >_>00:29
diddledaniwait, two Daves in the same place?!00:29
daftykinsthat'll be fun, i'll have to call my pal who is another00:29
davefHopefully by August the plague will be mostly done00:29
daftykinsapparently the pool team i joined used to be called The Steaming Daves until the # of Daves dropped too low00:29
davefEverybody needs a Dave in their life.00:30
davefEven other Daves00:30
daveflol00:30
diddledanihttps://media.giphy.com/media/qOIk7ZjwmT9cc/giphy.gif00:30
daftykinsdiddledani: oh so the other thing is the planner page on buses.gg, it now accepts any location as a destination - so will then recommend walking (gasp) to get there, sometimes on the road of the same name due to it not showing you what's a bus stop and what isn't00:30
diddledanieep00:31
daftykinsat least you don't get forced to type the . in "St. Julian's Avenue" for searches to work now, for example00:31
daftykinsthat was rather derp00:31
davefLike Google Maps telling you to swim the Atlantic00:31
diddledaniand kayak it too00:32
davefSadly Google Maps doesn't tell you to do this anymore00:32
davefFun.. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/omicron-variant-may-have-picked-up-a-piece-of-common-cold-virus-1.569390900:43
davefAnd this fits into the theory of as it becomes more transmissible, it gets less potent. 00:44
daftykinso000:45
davefIf true and it becomes the dominant strain, then all we have to worry about is catching a cold. -_-00:45
diddledaniyeah, I was talking with my family earlier and muted that it might get to be more cold-like00:45
diddledanialthough, key to this discussion is this bit of sentence: "not yet been peer-reviewed"00:47
diddledaniit could be entirely bunkum00:48
davefAt the beginning, it was bad. But as we learn more, develop good hygiene habits, etc. it becomes less worrisome. 00:48
davefI just hope the one thing people take away from this when the pandemic is officially declared to be over is, stay the f*** home if you're sick.00:48
zxmpimillions dead and people still refuse to get masks, get vaccinated00:51
diddledani"you know, morons"00:52
davefChin bras are so in right now00:52
diddledanihttps://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg00:52
daveflol, i love that scene. a legit laugh at the end of that00:56
daftykinsnever seen! is that Willy Wonka?01:10
davefBlazing Saddles01:10
daftykinsheh i know that part but is that the same dude that plays Willy?01:11
davefYeah, that's Gene Wilder01:12
diddledaniyes, or big willy, as he likes to be called01:12
davefoof. so I just paid the credit cards for my trip to the UK01:23
davefthat hurt lol01:23
diddledaniouch01:25
davefjust a snip over $3000 spent01:26
daftykinsthat's a lorra jaffa cakes01:27
davefI did travel club class, rent a car for 10 days, pay for gas (holy hell your gas is EXPENSIVE), treated my parents, uncle and niece to lunch.01:27
davefPlus all the misc. stuff spent at Tesco and Morrisons lol01:27
daftykinshey, you'll speak the Queen's around 'ere! that's petrol ;)01:27
daftykinsalthough i don't personally touch the stuff01:28
davefI filled up the rental car (okay, it was a SUV) and I stood there in disbelief. 01:28
davefI made poor choices, but I'm going to live by them01:29
davefdiddledani: do I want this? https://www.shop.wirelessnetware.ca/ethernet-routers/441-rb5009ugsin.html01:47
daftykinsdid i tell you folks that my pal in Geneva got 10 Gb fibre (no joke) although the fastest LAN port is 2.5Gb - he got 250 MB/sec on Steam01:49
davefbond 4 of them 2.5 together, make sure whatever you use supports multilink = profit01:50
davefI can get 1.5Gbps over here01:50
davefBut it does mean using Bell Canada, no thanks.01:51
daftykinsi think only the one port was, i forget01:51
davefI can get Gigabit for the same price I'm paying for Cable01:52
davefOr maybe symmetrical 500Mbps for $10 less01:52
daftykinswoot01:53
daftykinsquite looking forward to them rolling it out here in the island, but i am in the centre of town so i won't see it anytime soon - if at lal01:54
daftykins*all01:54
daftykinshttps://i.imgur.com/dlMyw5H.jpeg03:01
daveflol03:26
knightwisemorning everyone07:03
diddledanihttps://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/146719843490196275412:59
zxmpishocked.not.that.shocked.gif13:42
davefBritish Gov, do as we say, not as we do.13:57
daftykinsyou mean all gov?16:20
zxmpimind in ireland we had golfgate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oireachtas_Golf_Society_scandal16:34
zxmpia bunch of politicians had a big party during lockdown16:34
davefOK, which one of you said why not?17:46
davefI've just spent the morning reading docs, setting up a K8s playground and ripping chunks of hair out of my head. The whole CNI thing, who wrote that doc? I'm totally new to K8s.. clearly it was written by a software engineer that's never done a day of support.17:48
knightwisehey davef 17:50
diddledanidavef: where have you spun it up?17:51
knightwisei have a team of 4 devs that have never done a day of support in their 6 years of service17:51
diddledanithe whole yaml explosion of k8s is a mess17:51
knightwiseputting them to work starting januari17:51
knightwiseone day of support every week 17:51
diddledanihelm is even worse because of go templates17:52
diddledaniat least you can find pre-written helm charts to use17:52
davefdiddledani: just in a VM environment on my PC17:54
davefI have my master and two nodes.17:54
knightwiseshey diddledani 17:54
davefSeems to be working, I think17:55
davef[root@k8s-master ~]# kubectl get nodes17:55
davefNAME         STATUS   ROLES                  AGE   VERSION17:55
davefk8s-master   Ready    control-plane,master   88m   v1.22.417:55
davefk8s-node1    Ready    <none>                 82m   v1.22.417:55
knightwisecd ~ && wget http://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz17:56
knightwisesrry17:56
diddledanithe annoying thing with k8s yaml is it's literally the over-the-wire data you send to the controller - there's zero friendly abstraction there17:57
diddledanithat's why you get so many `spec` blocks that are all different17:57
davefwhy can't we all just use VMs? 17:58
davefOVAs used to be king17:58
diddledanisomething something webscale17:58
diddledanihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs17:58
davefYour MongoDB will be owned if you don't actually secure it, out of the box it's insecure. MySQL at least makes an effort.18:01
diddledaniyes. all the big data leaks have been unsecured mongos18:02
diddledanialso elasticsearch is another one18:02
diddledanileaky as poo18:02
davefI'm clearly behind in all this stuff. 18:03
davefI realize I know nothing about Docker, K8s and other buzzwords and it's frustrating.18:03
diddledaniI'd love to hear how mundane your game servers are18:04
davefSo I'm trying to do something about it, but finding the docs are written by engineers that never wrote support docs.18:04
diddledanithe docs are awful!18:04
diddledaniI think it's an attempt at protecting high salaried developers by not making it easy to enter18:04
davefI miss the ATI, things moved slowly. Still running X.25 lines, Windows 7, Server 2016, bare metal, reliable Cisco networks.18:05
diddledaniI mean if you make it easy then the prices for the job will go down so the people who are currently employed will find they lose out18:05
davefBut all I'm seeing this day is to make the most complicated 'Hello, World' application18:06
davefI think you're right, it's a high barrier to entry.18:12

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