[00:10] <davef> k, so i've been giving MS Edge (chrome version) a solid poke. I hate to say it, but I'm liking it.
[00:11] <davef> i've also been using it on Ubuntu too
[00:14] <daftykins> diddledani: lol do they do it when arguing about contact pages or some such?
[00:14] <daftykins> "don't tell 'em how to contact us!" 
[00:16] <diddledani> nah, clients are fine, it's people asking for help on the WordPress.org forums I'm thinking about
[00:16] <daftykins> ah
[00:16] <daftykins> wow they must really be in trouble if they go there ;D
[00:16] <diddledani> often devs, or people who sold themselves as devs ;-p
[00:16] <daftykins> xD
[00:17] <daftykins> oh allow me to present to you the local bus service website which has at last been redone - and has managed to get worse! www.buses.gg
[00:17] <diddledani> they seem to think that posting about client work is fine, but woe betide the url ever be linked to their identity!
[00:17] <daftykins> warning: eye bleaching will occur
[00:18] <daftykins> the largest issue is that on the timetables page, you can no longer see the destinations at each time point
[00:19] <diddledani> oh, they've only done the start and end, but no stops between
[00:20] <diddledani> aah, they've made it into a "you must select!"
[00:21] <davef> wow, i thought our transport company website was bad
[00:21] <diddledani> these are clickable to change the start and end: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/ECSP5Rtq/Screenshot%20from%202021-12-06%2000-21-27.png
[00:22] <daftykins> i do not like
[00:22] <diddledani> me either
[00:22] <daftykins> also, are your eyes screaming yet?
[00:22] <diddledani> they've turned it into a mobile-only site
[00:22] <davef> Rue de Chateau? lol, you in frog land?
[00:23] <daftykins> things i haven't heard before on IRC :P
[00:23] <daftykins> oui oui, j'habit au le frog
[00:23] <daftykins> *j'habite ? i quit French early
[00:23] <davef> hein? c'est bizarre .. lol
[00:23] <diddledani> I thought french would be a required subject in the tax haven
[00:24] <daftykins> heh
[00:25] <daftykins> you could escape and do German or Spanish instead
[00:25] <davef> Guys, why are all your street names in French? You all frickin' speak English.
[00:26] <daftykins> well not everyone, there are still some elderly folk who speak the Patois
[00:26] <daftykins> Guernsiaise!
[00:26] <davef> So I could go over there and flex my French?
[00:26] <daftykins> personally i quite like our quirky heritage - as pseudo-Brits
[00:26] <davef> Because I've never been there
[00:27] <daftykins> well i suppose it's as equally bastardised as Canadian French
[00:27] <diddledani> they'll look at you funny, because you've got American French
[00:27] <davef> American French.. lol, it's called Quebecois
[00:27] <daftykins> well he'd rock up with his duty free bag of jaffa cakes and wearing his Crocs so they'd already be staring funny
[00:27] <daftykins> ;D
[00:28] <davef> K, on my way
[00:28] <diddledani> do they sell DutyFree jaffas?
[00:28] <davef> I think next visit to the UK, I might hop over for a few days, since I've never been.
[00:28] <daftykins> nah but i kind of made it up the other day and i'm sticking to it
[00:28] <daftykins> ah ha! well drop on by, you'd be very welcome
[00:29] <daftykins> assuming no plague carrying and all that
[00:29] <daftykins> <_< >_>
[00:29] <diddledani> wait, two Daves in the same place?!
[00:29] <daftykins> that'll be fun, i'll have to call my pal who is another
[00:29] <davef> Hopefully by August the plague will be mostly done
[00:29] <daftykins> apparently the pool team i joined used to be called The Steaming Daves until the # of Daves dropped too low
[00:30] <davef> Everybody needs a Dave in their life.
[00:30] <davef> Even other Daves
[00:30] <davef> lol
[00:30] <diddledani> https://media.giphy.com/media/qOIk7ZjwmT9cc/giphy.gif
[00:30] <daftykins> diddledani: oh so the other thing is the planner page on buses.gg, it now accepts any location as a destination - so will then recommend walking (gasp) to get there, sometimes on the road of the same name due to it not showing you what's a bus stop and what isn't
[00:31] <diddledani> eep
[00:31] <daftykins> at least you don't get forced to type the . in "St. Julian's Avenue" for searches to work now, for example
[00:31] <daftykins> that was rather derp
[00:31] <davef> Like Google Maps telling you to swim the Atlantic
[00:32] <diddledani> and kayak it too
[00:32] <davef> Sadly Google Maps doesn't tell you to do this anymore
[00:43] <davef> Fun.. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/omicron-variant-may-have-picked-up-a-piece-of-common-cold-virus-1.5693909
[00:44] <davef> And this fits into the theory of as it becomes more transmissible, it gets less potent. 
[00:45] <daftykins> o0
[00:45] <davef> If true and it becomes the dominant strain, then all we have to worry about is catching a cold. -_-
[00:45] <diddledani> yeah, I was talking with my family earlier and muted that it might get to be more cold-like
[00:47] <diddledani> although, key to this discussion is this bit of sentence: "not yet been peer-reviewed"
[00:48] <diddledani> it could be entirely bunkum
[00:48] <davef> At the beginning, it was bad. But as we learn more, develop good hygiene habits, etc. it becomes less worrisome. 
[00:48] <davef> I just hope the one thing people take away from this when the pandemic is officially declared to be over is, stay the f*** home if you're sick.
[00:51] <zxmpi> millions dead and people still refuse to get masks, get vaccinated
[00:52] <diddledani> "you know, morons"
[00:52] <davef> Chin bras are so in right now
[00:52] <diddledani> https://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg
[00:56] <davef> lol, i love that scene. a legit laugh at the end of that
[01:10] <daftykins> never seen! is that Willy Wonka?
[01:10] <davef> Blazing Saddles
[01:11] <daftykins> heh i know that part but is that the same dude that plays Willy?
[01:12] <davef> Yeah, that's Gene Wilder
[01:12] <diddledani> yes, or big willy, as he likes to be called
[01:23] <davef> oof. so I just paid the credit cards for my trip to the UK
[01:23] <davef> that hurt lol
[01:25] <diddledani> ouch
[01:26] <davef> just a snip over $3000 spent
[01:27] <daftykins> that's a lorra jaffa cakes
[01:27] <davef> I did travel club class, rent a car for 10 days, pay for gas (holy hell your gas is EXPENSIVE), treated my parents, uncle and niece to lunch.
[01:27] <davef> Plus all the misc. stuff spent at Tesco and Morrisons lol
[01:27] <daftykins> hey, you'll speak the Queen's around 'ere! that's petrol ;)
[01:28] <daftykins> although i don't personally touch the stuff
[01:28] <davef> I filled up the rental car (okay, it was a SUV) and I stood there in disbelief. 
[01:29] <davef> I made poor choices, but I'm going to live by them
[01:47] <davef> diddledani: do I want this? https://www.shop.wirelessnetware.ca/ethernet-routers/441-rb5009ugsin.html
[01:49] <daftykins> did i tell you folks that my pal in Geneva got 10 Gb fibre (no joke) although the fastest LAN port is 2.5Gb - he got 250 MB/sec on Steam
[01:50] <davef> bond 4 of them 2.5 together, make sure whatever you use supports multilink = profit
[01:50] <davef> I can get 1.5Gbps over here
[01:51] <davef> But it does mean using Bell Canada, no thanks.
[01:51] <daftykins> i think only the one port was, i forget
[01:52] <davef> I can get Gigabit for the same price I'm paying for Cable
[01:52] <davef> Or maybe symmetrical 500Mbps for $10 less
[01:53] <daftykins> woot
[01:54] <daftykins> quite looking forward to them rolling it out here in the island, but i am in the centre of town so i won't see it anytime soon - if at lal
[01:54] <daftykins> *all
[03:01] <daftykins> https://i.imgur.com/dlMyw5H.jpeg
[03:26] <davef> lol
[07:03] <knightwise> morning everyone
[12:59] <diddledani> https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1467198434901962754
[13:42] <zxmpi> shocked.not.that.shocked.gif
[13:57] <davef> British Gov, do as we say, not as we do.
[16:20] <daftykins> you mean all gov?
[16:34] <zxmpi> mind in ireland we had golfgate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oireachtas_Golf_Society_scandal
[16:34] <zxmpi> a bunch of politicians had a big party during lockdown
[17:46] <davef> OK, which one of you said why not?
[17:48] <davef> I've just spent the morning reading docs, setting up a K8s playground and ripping chunks of hair out of my head. The whole CNI thing, who wrote that doc? I'm totally new to K8s.. clearly it was written by a software engineer that's never done a day of support.
[17:50] <knightwise> hey davef 
[17:51] <diddledani> davef: where have you spun it up?
[17:51] <knightwise> i have a team of 4 devs that have never done a day of support in their 6 years of service
[17:51] <diddledani> the whole yaml explosion of k8s is a mess
[17:51] <knightwise> putting them to work starting januari
[17:51] <knightwise> one day of support every week 
[17:52] <diddledani> helm is even worse because of go templates
[17:52] <diddledani> at least you can find pre-written helm charts to use
[17:54] <davef> diddledani: just in a VM environment on my PC
[17:54] <davef> I have my master and two nodes.
[17:54] <knightwise> shey diddledani 
[17:55] <davef> Seems to be working, I think
[17:55] <davef> [root@k8s-master ~]# kubectl get nodes
[17:55] <davef> NAME         STATUS   ROLES                  AGE   VERSION
[17:55] <davef> k8s-master   Ready    control-plane,master   88m   v1.22.4
[17:55] <davef> k8s-node1    Ready    <none>                 82m   v1.22.4
[17:56] <knightwise> cd ~ && wget http://syncterm.bbsdev.net/syncterm-src.tgz
[17:56] <knightwise> srry
[17:57] <diddledani> the annoying thing with k8s yaml is it's literally the over-the-wire data you send to the controller - there's zero friendly abstraction there
[17:57] <diddledani> that's why you get so many `spec` blocks that are all different
[17:58] <davef> why can't we all just use VMs? 
[17:58] <davef> OVAs used to be king
[17:58] <diddledani> something something webscale
[17:58] <diddledani> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
[18:01] <davef> Your MongoDB will be owned if you don't actually secure it, out of the box it's insecure. MySQL at least makes an effort.
[18:02] <diddledani> yes. all the big data leaks have been unsecured mongos
[18:02] <diddledani> also elasticsearch is another one
[18:02] <diddledani> leaky as poo
[18:03] <davef> I'm clearly behind in all this stuff. 
[18:03] <davef> I realize I know nothing about Docker, K8s and other buzzwords and it's frustrating.
[18:04] <diddledani> I'd love to hear how mundane your game servers are
[18:04] <davef> So I'm trying to do something about it, but finding the docs are written by engineers that never wrote support docs.
[18:04] <diddledani> the docs are awful!
[18:04] <diddledani> I think it's an attempt at protecting high salaried developers by not making it easy to enter
[18:05] <davef> I miss the ATI, things moved slowly. Still running X.25 lines, Windows 7, Server 2016, bare metal, reliable Cisco networks.
[18:05] <diddledani> I mean if you make it easy then the prices for the job will go down so the people who are currently employed will find they lose out
[18:06] <davef> But all I'm seeing this day is to make the most complicated 'Hello, World' application
[18:12] <davef> I think you're right, it's a high barrier to entry.