[01:07] <bhulls> p
[01:08] <bhulls> p
[01:13] <shane_> hi I am using ubuntu mate (on a VM) -- I just created a new user -- but the user in not visible in the login chooser :( -- how do I fix this?
[01:15] <shane_> oops.. connected from the VM ... back in a minute.
[01:19] <shane_> I am back on the host computer, any ideas on fixing the VM login chooser?
[01:24] <nicoz-> shade_ how did you add the user?
[01:24] <nicoz-> shane_ how did you add the user?
[01:25] <shane_> @nicoz-: script using useradd
[01:26] <nicoz-> useradd is instead and avoid using useradd since it is a backend command needing more input.
[01:27] <nicoz-> now you have to remove the users "userdel nameuser"
[01:28] <nicoz-> use "adduser user"
[01:28] <shane_> @nicoz-: I have checked the config for lightdm it is filtering any users
[01:28] <shane_> @nicoz-: I have checked the config for lightdm it is not filtering any users
[01:30] <shane_> nicoz-, I will try that, but the other users where done with the same script and there was no trouble with them.
[01:32] <nicoz-> shane_ you have not successfully added the user, this might be because useradd didn't create a home directory for your new user.
[01:32] <nicoz-> You should use "adduser user"
[01:33] <nicoz-> Before starting now you might want to remove the user you created wrong by "userdel user"
[01:33] <nicoz-> Or if you still want to use useradd use at least "useradd -m user"
[01:34] <shane_> @nicoz-: That is one of the reasons that the script is done that way, I want the user with a set ID and not create the home directory.
[01:35] <nicoz-> https://askubuntu.com/questions/29359/how-to-add-a-user-without-home
[01:35] <nicoz-> follow this will help you then
[01:36] <shane_> @nicoz-: anyway that hack fixed the problem.. I am still wondering what was configured wrong by useradd.  Thanks.
[01:36] <nicoz-> and read the "man useradd"
[01:37] <nicoz-> you got the wrong way to add user
[01:39] <nicoz-> however the important thing is to resolve shane_ ;)
[01:39] <nicoz-> good night i go to sleep ;)
[01:40] <shane_> @nicoz-: bye, I will try to get the script to user adduser
[02:41] <Tech_8> sup
[02:48] <yukiup> yup
[02:53] <shane_> I have search google -- how do I setup multiple keymaps for lightdm -- I need to be able to switch between 'us' and 'us/dvorak' ?
[04:10] <VIA>  /join peoplesporobro
[10:15] <darklord00000_> hi
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> welcome darklord00000_
[10:16] <darklord00000_> Thanks, which is the argument in this chat?
[10:16] <nicoz-> support of ubuntu
[10:16] <nicoz-> ubuntu's support :P
[10:17] <nicoz-> for other topics go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:17] <darklord00000_> only or I can ask a support for anything?
[10:17] <nicoz-> for what concerns ubuntu
[10:17] <darklord00000_> ok thanks
[10:18] <nicoz-> if it’s not something related to ubuntu someone can help you in offtopic
[10:22] <topchik> QF==
[10:33] <Lychee> hello
[10:34] <Apachez> anyone else in here having issues with ubuntu 21.10 and cs:go ?
[11:08] <ilovelife> hello guys
[11:13] <JosephBlouin> Hello, Is there an app to make.txt with.pdf?
[11:15] <tomreyn> JosephBlouin: a pdf to text converter? there is "pdftotext" in package "poppler-utils"
[11:16] <Maik> if they just stick around longer...
[11:41] <naimz82> lol
[12:17] <Thomas25> I have win11 and a macos installed and running on a hardware. I want to insert linux kvm between them and the metal and run them as VMs. I have iGPU and a nvidia card. Is it enough? Would KVM need a head? Can I just assign nvidia to win11 and iGPU to mac?
[12:31] <tomreyn> Thomas25: this depends on a couple additional factors, including hardware/firmware. but theoretically, yes, this may be possible. keep in mind that you will need to take licensing terms of the other OSes into account.
[12:31] <tomreyn> also, you may need to reinstall those
[12:33] <Thomas25> tomreyn how does it depend on hardware/firmware?
[12:34] <tomreyn> running the host OS (Ubuntu in this case) without any graphics card would probably require a serial console, or a way of switching one of the GPUs between host/guest
[12:34] <tomreyn> not all hardware/firmware combinations are well suited for GPU pass-through
[12:36] <weedmic> how do i do the following using "ip" instead:  ifconfig eth0 number 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.224 broadcast 192.168.2.255
[12:38] <Thomas25> tomreyn firmware being what exactly?
[12:38] <Thomas25> bios?
[12:40] <TomyLobo> is /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg evaluated only once on setup or is it evaluated regularly?
[12:47] <weedmic> i have two machines that don't seem to get an ip4 address - i want to do that manually, but ifconfig no longer works.  how do I force a machine to get a dhcp ip4 address using "ip"?
[12:51] <tomreyn> Thomas25: the mainboard firmware, bios, uefi, or whatever macs have there, yes.
[12:53] <tomreyn> weedmic: neither ifconfig nor ip commands can be used to "force a machine to get a dhcp [issued] ip4 address"
[12:53] <tomreyn> use dhclient or the dhcp client embedded in network manager if you would like to use dhcp
[12:54] <weedmic> ok, manually request
[12:54] <weedmic> in ifconfig, i can set a machine's ip address manually as exampled above.  how do i do that with ip?
[12:54] <tomreyn> i won't go into the "how d i configure my interface with 'ip'" because there are a lot of guides on that, and man pages.
[12:55] <weedmic> point me to one - i've been searching for quite some time and have yet to see one, including the 2 builtin man pages
[12:55] <tomreyn> ip(8)
[12:55] <tomreyn> ip-address(8)
[12:57] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/network-configuration
[13:00] <weedmic> that is one of the two built in pages - i am rereading it, but it did not have the format as i could determine, am redetermining
[13:07] <weedmic> for those who might be interested - the answer was "sudo ip a add dev eth0 192.168.10.105"
[13:13] <weedmic> actually the answer was "sudo ip a add dev eth0 192.168.10.105/24"
[13:27] <pikapika> Does anyone know how to gather up all the deps of a given app (that is already installed) together into a deb?
[13:28] <coz_> pikapika, this might help   https://askubuntu.com/questions/592551/how-to-create-a-deb-file-from-installed-package
[13:29] <Maik> pikapika: maybe someone in #linux knows since this isn't really a ubuntu support question... i guess
[13:29] <pikapika> coz_, Maik thanks
[13:29] <Maik> np
[13:29] <pikapika> That appears to be some reading to do before I can say anything further
[13:30] <coz_> pikapika, let me know if ir works %)
[13:31] <pikapika> coz_, the target is a higher ubuntu on another laptop
[13:34] <coz_> pikapika, you mean according to the link? the version mentioned?
[13:34] <pikapika> coz_, no I meant
[13:34] <pikapika> I wish to install the deb onto a newer ubuntu version on a different machibe
[13:35] <coz_> ah I see, hmmm, Not sure I can help with that, unless the dependencies can be updated after a trial install of the created .deb
[13:37] <alkisg> Hi, I'm trying to test ACLs, isn't this supposed to allow only me to access a file? What am I doing wrong?   $ cd /tmp; date > file; chmod 000 file; setfacl -m u:alkisg:rwx file; cat file
[13:37] <alkisg> cat: file: Permission denied
[13:37] <tomreyn> pikapika: deb's are usually specific to ubuntu releases.
[13:38] <pikapika> tomreyn, a deb in this case is just a means of packaging together the files
[13:38] <pikapika> so that it falls under control of the dpkg/apt
[13:39] <alkisg> pikapika: is that application already a .deb file, that has been installed? Or is it an ./installer.sh thing?
[13:40] <pikapika> alkisg, it was installed via apt I think
[13:40] <alkisg> You can check with: dpkg -S /path/to/app
[13:40] <pikapika> The thing is, I would prefer it to have the exact versions of the package and libs if practical, even if the package exists in 20.04 too
[13:41] <pikapika> To be specific, its play on linux...and for some containers I had chosen the "system wine"
[13:41] <alkisg> If it was a .deb, it would be easier to get its original form once more, rather than to regenerate it from what you see
[13:41] <pikapika> perhaps I could make do with finding out the system wine, and manually choosing it for those containers in the new laptop
[13:41] <tomreyn> pikapika: deb's are not meant to be used like this. if you are looking for a packaging format that can include dependencies, and not interfere with the rest of the system that way, look into flatpak or snap.
[13:42] <pikapika> tomreyn, can you build a flatpak or snap from an existing install and copy it over to a new machine?
[13:42] <alkisg> The playonlinux package is the "library". What you want is the "games", which are not related to .debs or even linux at all
[13:42] <tomreyn> pikapika: i do not know.
[13:42] <alkisg> I.e. you just need to clone a ~/.wine dir from somewhere; you don't want to involve any packaging frameworks
[13:42] <pikapika> alkisg, the games are residing inside the wine containers
[13:42] <pikapika> within a dotfolder
[13:43] <pikapika> Some games using specific wine versions I think have their wines bundled inside that dotfolder too
[13:43] <alkisg> Right, what's inside the wine containers isn't related to linux packaging at all
[13:43] <pikapika> but the containers where I chose "system wine" I think use the apt wine
[13:43] <alkisg> I'm saying that so that you know what to look for
[13:43] <pikapika> I already know the folder
[13:44] <pikapika> I am just concerned if it may be enough to just copy it over
[13:44] <alkisg> So, forget about .deb and flatpaks etc completely. What you want is to copy that dir, and IF it doesn't work, then you'll need to install the same version of wine/playonlinux on the target computer
[13:44] <pikapika> I see
[13:44] <alkisg> That part (installing wine), may or may not be a .deb, depending on how playonlinux implements it
[13:44] <pikapika> So first attempt would be to just apt-get install playonlinux on the new system then copy over the dotfolder?
[13:45] <alkisg> Right
[13:45] <pikapika> because otherwise it would be very painful if I have to reinstall all that stuff
[13:45] <pikapika> ie each indiviudal game
[13:45] <alkisg> No, what's inside is like a windows installation, that you copy over
[13:45] <pikapika> Fingers crossed
[13:45] <alkisg> The "inside" part isn't related to linux package management
[13:46] <pikapika> alkisg, what I am concerned about is the linux binaries, headers, kernel modules if any inside them...the windows binaries are of course unchanging
[13:46] <alkisg> One other thing to keep in mind, is that playonlinux may have some OTHER directories for different wine versions; you may need to locate and copy these too
[13:46] <alkisg> Wine should be compatible with different kernel versions
[13:46] <pikapika> Ok
[13:46] <pikapika> I am just concerned because some wines (ie the one with steam) seem to have kernel objects and headers etc inside it
[13:48] <alkisg> pikapika: you may put some listing on pastebin if you want us to take a quick look
[13:49] <pikapika> Listing of what?
[13:49] <alkisg> Of the kernel objects you mention
[13:49] <alkisg> For example: dpkg -L libwine:amd64 ==> these aren't linux kernel objects, they're windows objects
[13:49] <pikapika> alkisg, I'll have to check if pol has them too
[13:49] <pikapika> I know the steam has these ko files inside its folder
[13:50] <alkisg> .ko are linux modules indeed. Did it register anything in dkms? dkms status
[13:51] <pikapika> How will I know if those specific kos are in dkms?
[13:51] <pikapika> Actually steam itself is a non issue
[13:51] <pikapika> It can only be a problem if it turns out pol also has kos inside which I haven't yet checked
[13:51] <pikapika> Steam is working fine on the new system and some test games I copied over are doing okay
[13:52] <pikapika> (I did a fresh steam install and used its internal backup-restore to move the games, since a direct copy of the dotfolder failed to work)
[13:53] <jeremy31> That wouldn't make sense to include kernel object files with a program as they are kernel specific
[13:54] <pikapika> alkisg, no .ko files inside .PlayOnLinux
[13:54] <pikapika> thank god
[13:55] <alkisg> 👍
[13:56] <pikapika> jeremy31, steam probably has to do funny things with drivers and wine
[13:58] <pikapika> dkms status doesn't show anything about steam
[13:58] <pikapika> so theres that too
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:02] <pikapika> Hi
[14:02] <coz_> hey BluesKaj %)
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hey coz_, pikapika
[14:03] <ehead> Hi
[14:20] <faekjarz> I'm looking for a nice PCIe sound card that just works - preferably without (much) conf file editing, kernel module juggling and stuff. Which are YOU running?
[14:23] <tomreyn> For Ubuntu hardware recommendations, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #linux
[14:25] <faekjarz> aye, captain :)
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> !hardware | faekjarz see also
[14:39] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, who maintain that list. Does the manufacturer directly tell the ubuntu people, or do people just add it as they test and find out on their own?
[14:39] <faekjarz> thank you! of course there's a list ;)
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: the ubuntu community/volunteers update the ubuntu wiki lists, talking probably to the higher experts/devs
[14:41] <tomreyn>  HardwareSupportComponentsSoundCards -> "last edited 2009-05-22" - i'm not sure this is too helpful
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> thats a while ago indeed
[14:43] <pikapika> The annoying thing with hardware is that its hard to know whats actually inside something just from the product name
[14:45] <BluesKaj> lspci
[14:45] <pikapika> For example, there are routers where if you just go by the model number/sku, its a gamble between three different chipsets that you would end up with inside
[14:45] <pikapika> BluesKaj, exactly
[14:45] <pikapika> The only way is to actually have the hardware and investigate it
[14:46] <BluesKaj> or lshw -C nameofhardware
[14:47] <pikapika> And those commands behoove actually purchasing/having access to the hardware in the first place ie you don't know before you buy it
[14:47] <pikapika> or a friend has it. But a friend having it as mentioned above gives no guarantee you'd get the same internals if you purchase it
[14:49] <BluesKaj> usually one find out what HW is in the pc/laptop on the mfgr website if you have the model#
[14:49] <pikapika> Yeah but the manufacturer website may not give you enough inforanmtion ex exactly what wifi card or sound card chipset is inside etc
[14:50] <BluesKaj> then don't buy that brand
[14:50] <pikapika> and sometimes as mentioned its deliberately or otherwise obscured
[14:50] <pikapika> as in the router example
[14:50] <pikapika> BluesKaj, you have to remember
[14:51] <pikapika> In general, hw companies and linux often seem to have an antagonistic relation
[14:51] <pikapika> in the pc/laptop world at least. Maybe the hw companies hands are more tied in the server market.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> HP and Dell are quite Linux friendly IME, but my son and I built this pc from scratch so we knew what we were getting from the start
[14:53] <pikapika> Dell seems okay from what I seen, but it can be very distro/kernel specific.
[14:54] <pikapika> It does seem that you must wait at least an year I think before buying anything
[14:54]  * pikapika is on a dell right now
[14:55] <BluesKaj> my Dell Inspiron 5570 laptop is just fine on Kubunto
[14:55] <pikapika> BluesKaj, and I ahve a theory it happens only because they also have a server business
[14:55] <BluesKaj> Kubuntu even :-)
[14:55] <pikapika> BluesKaj, it can require rather recent kernels sometimes
[14:55] <pikapika> My new dell didn't work on 18, 20 was fine
[14:55] <pikapika> (tigerlake support was added in kernek 5.8)
[14:56] <pikapika> BluesKaj, is it a 1080p one?
[14:57] <pikapika> One thing I have seen is that sometimes laptops trade color for resolution
[15:01] <BluesKaj> pikapika, it's a 1080i mafaik
[15:01] <BluesKaj> afaik
[15:02] <pikapika> Yeah thats what the internet is telling me
[15:02] <BluesKaj> but I don't use on my AV system, this pc is setup as an HTPC on the AV setup
[15:02] <pikapika> AV?
[15:03] <BluesKaj> Audio/video
[15:03] <pikapika> BluesKaj, so you basically just connect it up with a tv or speakers
[15:03] <pikapika> and use them as the screen and sound
[15:04] <BluesKaj> my samsung tv is the monitor, hdmi into an av receiver and out to the tv and audio to the loudspeakers
[15:05] <BluesKaj> HTPC= Home Theater PC
[15:06] <BluesKaj> I don't even use a fancy gpu, the intel onboard HW does the job
[15:07] <pikapika> Yeah intel integrated is quite good
[15:07] <pikapika> BluesKaj, and it would be unwise to try a nvidia or amd anyways
[15:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, the drivers are iffy on both
[15:09] <pikapika> Intel integrated is quite good actually, I am surprised how many even somewhat recent video games work fine on it
[15:09] <BluesKaj> I have an old nvidia card gathering dust on my junk shelf :-)
[15:11] <BluesKaj> not a gamer anyway so onboard HW works fine for my needs
[15:11] <pikapika> Yeah I am not a gamer either, but I was quite pleased to know the ones I do play worked smoothly
[15:11] <BluesKaj> cool
[15:13] <BluesKaj> been waiting for wayland to mature on plasma/kde, but it's taking a while
[15:24] <pikapika> One has to be careful about anything that claims to "upend it all"
[16:04] <tetrakist> I'm trying to spin up an Ubuntu image on a newly created AWS EC2 account on a t3a.large. It keeps yammering about the instance type not supported on the free tier. Anyone know how to get out of the free tier so they can actually start charging me on the credit card I already gave them?
[16:04] <beuys> Good Evening!
[16:05] <tetrakist> Good evening beuys.
[16:05] <beuys> Does anybody know where I unmount my phone after I plugged it into Ubuntu running with KDE? It seems KDE does not show mounted stuff on the Desktop, so where do I unmount it?
[16:05] <jeremy31> file manager?
[16:06] <beuys> jeremy31: I see the phone at mtp:/ but how do I unmount it?
[16:07] <KBar> beuys: https://forum.manjaro.org/t/how-to-safely-remove-android-device-usb-drive/58059/3
[16:08] <beuys> KBar: I do not have the options in that image. I only have "Browse Files with File Manager".
[16:23] <jhutchins> beuys: If you have done nothing to write to the device, it's safe to just disconnect it.  The file browser should have an "eject" button next to the device icon, or should offer an eject or remove option if you right-click on the device.
[16:23] <jhutchins> KBar: ^ - sorry beuys
[16:23] <beuys> jhutchins: But I want to "eject" it without disconnecting it.
[16:23] <beuys> jhutchins: I want to unmount it so I can mount it myself again and backup it via a script.
[16:23] <beuys> jhutchins: Under Gnome, I could mount it via "jmtpfs /mnt/mountpoint" after I "ejected" it from the desktop.
[16:28] <jeremy31> beuys: see if it shows in terminal in results for>  mount
[16:28] <beuys> jeremy31: I don't see it.
[16:30] <beuys> jeremy31: "mount | wc" does not change when I plug it in and browse the files via the file manager.
[16:32] <KBar> jhutchins: ?
[16:36] <beuys> I "fixed" it by executing a random tip from the internet: Killing a process called "kiod5".
[17:23] <samfire> does anyone know the python3 install command xbuntu 12.04
[17:24] <leftyfb>  samfire Ubuntu 12.04 has been end of life for over 2 years
[17:24] <octav1a> if there is no python3 package available you might need to compile it manually
[17:24] <octav1a> it's actually not that bad though
[17:24] <jkc> You're right, upgrading to a supported release isn't that bad.
[17:24] <octav1a> python manages to somehow not need too many dependencies
[17:25] <jkc> samfire: Currently supported versions are 18.04, 20.04, 21.04, and 21.10.
[17:25] <octav1a> yeah but I usually actually try to answer questions assuming there are reasons for needing to not reinstall a system rather than assuming deceit
[17:25] <octav1a> obviously best to use current versions
[17:25] <jkc> octav1a: The channel topic makes clear what versions are supported. They need to upgrade to a supported release, especially given that its a desktop.
[17:26] <leftyfb> octav1a: this channel can only support active versions of ubuntu. 12.04 is literally almost 10 years old.
[17:26] <samfire> but i'm on a 32 bit pc
[17:27] <leftyfb> samfire: 18.04 will be supported for another 2 years. Go with that until you can upgrade your PC
[17:27] <leftyfb> samfire: 18.04 supports 32bit
[17:28] <samfire> i know that i want to upgrade later
[17:29] <leftyfb> samfire: ok, good luck. I would HIGHLY suggest installing 18.04 from scratch. Upgrading across 3 LTS releases across 10 years isn't going to go as smooth as you think. A fresh install and restoring from backup is going to be a lot quicker and easier
[17:31] <samfire> ii have no blank dvds and my pc does not support usb boot
[17:33] <samfire> what is ubuntu based of?
[17:34] <leftyfb> samfire: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07CWHG6VX/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_1F90TPB32XRQ4JD0SNP9
[17:34] <leftyfb> samfire: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu
[17:37] <samfire> i'm going to upgrade to ubuntu 14.04
[17:37] <samfire> my 32 bit pc can run that
[17:37] <leftyfb> samfire: Ubuntu 14.04 isn't supported either. Neither is 16.04 which you'll then need to upgrade to in order to get to 18.04
[17:38] <samfire> i'm going to upgrade to 14.04 then 16.04 after that 18.04
[17:39] <leftyfb> samfire: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[17:40] <jkc> samfire: You really, really should back up your data and do a fresh install.
[17:40] <jkc> http://mirror.us.leaseweb.net/ubuntu-cdimage/xubuntu/releases/18.04.5/release/xubuntu-18.04.5-desktop-i386.iso
[17:40] <samfire> im doing it with update manager
[17:42] <octav1a> Hey jkc, sorry, I forgot that the single hash channels were official. It is actually not allowed by rules to help those continue to use old versions or is it okay provided we also strongly recommend upgrading?
[17:43] <cbreak> octav1a: why would want to use the old stuff?
[17:43] <cbreak> the new ones are just plain better, if you can run them
[17:44] <samfire> who me?
[17:44] <octav1a> I have no desire to, but I've been in situations, often at work, where I've been stuck not being able to upgrade and just needing to 'fix it now'
[17:44] <pra81> hello to all
[17:44] <pra81> sqlplus username/password@tnsentry        i am running this command but fails how to debug where the command fails ?
[17:46] <leftyfb> pra81: how did you install sqlplus?
[17:47] <samfire> it's a sudo command
[17:47] <samfire> i think if you got it from the terminal
[17:47] <leftyfb> pra81: I'm pretty sure sqlplus is not available in ubuntu and not supported here. You should contact Oracle for support
[17:47] <jkc> octav1a: I don't really have the power to interpret the rules, so I follow them as written. Supporting an old release is supporting an old release.
[17:48] <maxzor> Hello, why is skia not packaged?
[17:48] <maxzor> I just compiled it and it is 500MB oO
[17:49] <leftyfb> maxzor: feel free to contact the Skia project for support with Skia
[17:50] <pra81> leftyfb thanks
[17:50] <samfire> what is sika? i've
[17:51] <samfire> never heard of it
[17:51] <leftyfb> samfire: https://skia.org/about/
[17:51] <samfire> thanks for the link. ;)
[17:52] <leftyfb> samfire: the website is the first result when you type "skia" into google.com
[17:52] <maxzor> leftyfb, uh I can maybe imagine google folks. Does that mean that if I have firefox, chrome and libreoffice installed in my ubuntu system, I have 3*500MB of static skia at least?
[17:53] <leftyfb> maxzor: please contact Skia for support with their software
[17:53] <maxzor> skia is a 2D graphical library
[17:53] <leftyfb> maxzor: which is not supported here
[17:54] <maxzor> I don't know much about packaging, is the support from the library dev mandatory for a lib to be packaged?
[17:55] <leftyfb> maxzor: yes. It is up to the developer to get their software into the Debian and Ubuntu repo's
[17:55] <relipse> I I was wanting to dual boot with Ubuntu and Windows, but it said I have bitlocker so I need to disable that
[17:55] <maxzor> I managed to compile it without too much pain. The only horrible pain was yesterday when trying to have the skia vulkan backend enabled, which did not work until I painfully installed amdgpu-pro drivers
[17:56] <leftyfb> maxzor: please contact Skia for support with their software
[17:56] <maxzor> I have seen packagers chime in in projects, asking sometimes for help, but not being actively supported by the project other than that
[17:56] <maxzor> don't want to be dense... thank you for inputs
[17:57] <leftyfb> !packaging | maxzor
[18:03] <tomreyn> jkc: just a note, xubuntu 18.04 is EOL by now. https://xubuntu.org/release/18-04/
[18:04] <tomreyn> samfire: ^
[18:06] <leftyfb> A 64bit Raspberry Pi can be had for $35 and will run better than most, if not all 32bit PC's
[18:07] <samfire>  its a older intel celeron but its a 2.30 ghz one though not overclocked
[18:08] <leftyfb> clock speed isn't everything
[18:08] <samfire> i know that.
[18:11] <samfire> its just because when i mention Intel's "Celeron CPU people think its crap so thats why is said its a 2.30 ghz one "
[18:12] <leftyfb> samfire: not only is a celeron CPU the bottom of the barrel, but it's well over 10 years old. It's time to upgrade.
[18:12] <samfire> i'm broke though
[18:13] <leftyfb> samfire: you have a computer. You can't find any way to scrounge up $35 - $50 to buy either a pi or something used that was made in the last 10 years?
[18:14] <samfire> i do have a second machine its 2008 my second machine is
[18:14] <samfire> dated
[18:15] <tomreyn> i'm pretty sure you can get an old amd64 capable computer for free in the uk by now. if you can proove me wrong, get back to me and i'll sponsor you one.
[18:15] <leftyfb> samfire: you know 2008 was 13 years ago right?
[18:15] <samfire> yeah
[18:16] <samfire> i know that
[18:17] <samfire> i might do two upgrades to my pc that i'm on now. a cpu and ram
[18:18] <samfire> maybe pentium 4 4.0 ghz one but there hard to get now'
[18:23] <leftyfb> samfire: take the money you are going to put into upgrades and buy a PC that will be 64bit and more powerful for same amount of money
[18:25] <samfire> i probably will.
[18:26] <leftyfb> Either way. Good luck. Let us know if you need help once you are running a supported version of Ubuntu
[18:30] <samfire> okay
[18:44] <alkisg> samfire: while 12.04 is completely unsupported, it's still possible to install python3 there. It has python 3.2
[18:44] <samfire> no way!
[18:45] <alkisg> I just installed it in a VM of 12.04 that I have :)
[18:45] <samfire> how do you get it
[18:46] <alkisg> See this: https://termbin.com/psmu
[18:46] <alkisg> Replace your /etc/apt/sources.list with that
[18:47] <samfire> okay
[18:48] <tomreyn> it will still be outdated, insecure and vulnerable software, which we cannot (and IMO should nbot try to) support here
[18:50] <tomreyn> there may be other linux distributions which still try to support very outdated hardware. other (and better) options have already been discussed.
[19:00] <alkisg> tomreyn: e.g. suppose one has an old ubuntu pc around and just needs python3 to do a quick homework for a day,
[19:00] <alkisg> do you think it's OK to tell him how to get it, or is it better to set "we don't help with unsupported releases, period" as a channel rule?
[19:00] <alkisg> (I'm asking, I don't know the answer...)
[19:00] <samfire> hello
[19:01] <tomreyn> let's discuss this in a more appropriate channel, such as #ubuntu-irc
[19:01] <alkisg> Sure, joining, ty
[19:39] <wizard1> i
[19:56] <Azrael_-> hi
[19:56] <matsaman> ohai
[19:58] <Azrael_-> i've got an installation on one laptop both with ubuntu and fedora (with efi). if i try to boot fedora with the ubuntu grub it tells me vmlinuz has the wrong signature. if i try to boot ubuntu with fedora it tells me shim.efi has no valid signature. is there a way to keep secure boot active and still be able to boot both? (i just want to use one grub)
[20:05] <matsaman> I'm sure you can sort this out, but personally I'm not sure why you would want two GNU/Linux distros, or two OSes even, installed to metal. Surely a virtualized guest would take care of any playing/testing you might need to do
[20:09] <tomreyn> Azrael_-: use the uefi provided boot menu to pick what gets run, not grub.
[20:10] <Azrael_-> ok, will do. but i just thought grub was more convenient for this
[20:10] <srv> #voidlinux
[20:11] <tomreyn> srv: wrong channel
[20:11] <Azrael_-> i don't see any option to configure the bios to always show me the efi boot menu and e.g. ubuntu also killed the windows efi entry upon installation
[20:12] <tomreyn> Azrael_-: ubuntu would not "[kill] the windows efi entry upon installation"
[20:12] <tomreyn> i can't comment on the features of your uefi implementation.
[20:13] <Azrael_-> the efi boot manager seems to be buggy. e.g. i just started up windows and now the ubuntu efi entry isn't visible any more. i know it should not delete it but now i've seen it multiple times that efi entries are just vanishing. no idea why or who is really responsible for this
[20:17] <tomreyn> maybe look into a 'bios' upgrade, or start by reading their changelogs, if any.
[20:17] <Azrael_-> thx, will do
[20:24] <spinningcat> can someone suggest a ogood speech to text app?
[20:26] <matsaman> been a while, but I think cmusphinx is at the top
[20:28] <Croran> Anyone know a good way to make my search in Unity Desktop more responsive? Sometimes it just spins.
[20:29] <tomreyn> you will probably have a hard time getting unity support here these days.
[20:30] <Croran> too bad because it's still better than GNOME
[20:33] <Croran> I gave GNOME a good try when i upgraded to 20.04 and there were just too many regressions.
[20:42] <spinningcat> cmusphinx there is no result for that with apt-cache search
[20:42] <spinningcat> are you sure it is still out there
[20:44] <ioria> i think is called pocketsphinx in ubuntu
[20:44] <spinningcat> let me check
[20:45] <spinningcat> yeah
[20:45] <matsaman> when in doubt, make your search query fewer chars
[21:02] <spinningcat> you are right
[21:38] <morganu> spinningcat I found this online: 👋 Hi, it’s Josh here. I’m writing you this note in 2021: the world of speech technology has changed dramatically since CMU-Sphinx. Before devoting significant time to deploying CMU-Sphinx, take a look at 🐸 Coqui Speech-to-Text. It takes minutes to deploy an off-the-shelf 🐸 STT model, and it’s open source on Github. I’m on the Coqui founding team so I’m admittedl
[21:38] <morganu> y biased. However, you can tell from this blog that I’ve spent years working with speech technologies like CMU-Sphinx, so I understand the headaches
[21:40] <morganu> Croran, you are welcome to tell me in #ubuntu-offtopic ... What does unity have over gnome?
[21:40] <spinningcat> thank you
[22:49] <MoPac> Hi - I'm trying to figure out how to restore the default screen keyboard behavior in plain/Gnome Ubuntu. on my convertible laptop. That is: only when the keyboard is folded back past a certain angle, it begins appearing when a text field is selected. I tried a Gnome extension with a better keyboard, and now I only seem to be able to have it always or never active rather than dependent on the hinge position.
[22:56] <Bashing-om> MoPac: In this case I am not real sure if a re-confifuration will be applicable - but might try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration .