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Guest83what is country alpha2 ? o.O00:00
Guest83wtf ?00:01
tomreynas a reminder: this system is probably not up to date00:02
tomreynregdb may have changed since00:03
tomreynkernel did change since, maybe relevant drivers, too00:04
sarnoldit's been a busy decade00:04
Jeremy31Guest83: the country alpha 2 is what we just set, so a reboot may be needed for channels higher than 1100:05
Guest83ok, thanks00:08
tomreyn:) sarnold, but no, it's linux 5.11.0-27-generic apparently. which should be hirsute, but without updates, i suspect.00:08
Guest83.3 release00:09
sarnoldoh :) I saw mention of 'jaunty' earlier and figured it'd been a whilke..00:09
tomreynjaunty, too? i only read karmic00:10
tomreynGuest83: ubuntu 0.3?00:10
sarnoldoh hmm. I wonder where I got jaunty from..00:10
Guest8320.04.3 LTS00:10
tomreyn!info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 focal-updates00:12
ubottu'focal-updates' is not a valid release00:12
tomreyn!info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 focal00:12
ubottulinux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 (5.11.0.41.45~20.04.19, focal): Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Built by linux-meta-hwe-5.11. Size 3 kB / 19 kB. (Only available for amd64, armhf, arm64, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x.)00:12
tomreynso focal (20.04 LTS) with HWE kernel, fully updated, would give you linux-image-5.11.0-41-generic00:13
tomreynyou have 5.11.0-27-generic now00:13
tomreyn(or used to have that earlier)00:14
Guest83yes kernel, wireless-regdb and lot of other packages are updating00:14
Jeremy31It would be rare for a kernel to have an update to ath.ko00:15
Guest83yes kenel-build 41 is installing00:16
tomreynprobably way too old.00:16
tomreynbut there could always be bugs or side effects of bugs which might be good to rule out before spending much time diagnosing issues, IMO00:17
tomreynJeremy31: sorry, if i got in the way, though. (you did seem to have finished, with the reboot pending.)00:21
Guest83i will upgrade to 22.04 lts when its released00:39
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HashDo you guys cron any apt updates? Is that advisable?03:46
HashSomething like cron daiy or weekly for update 20.04?03:46
HashThe topic doesn't contain the info. Where can I try out a copy of 22.04 beta or whatever state it's in03:47
Hash5 more months03:47
Bashing-omHash: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ - wait one more for unattended upgrade links.03:52
Bashing-omHash: "You can read more about apt Periodic configuration options in the /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat script header.03:53
Bashing-omUnattended-updates is triggered by a daily cronjob: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat"03:53
lotuspsychje!next | Hash see also04:05
ubottuHash see also: Jammy Jellyfish is the codename for Ubuntu 22.04. For technical support, see #ubuntu-next. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.04:05
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trafficjamhey guys, i'm getting `network-manager (1.30.0-1ubuntu3) breaks ppp (>= 2.4.7-3~) and is installed.` after trying to run `sudo dpkg --configure -a`, any idea what this means?06:33
matsamantrafficjam: so what versions of network-manager and ppp are installed according ot dpkg -l | egrep -i 'network.manager|ppp' ?06:39
trafficjammatsaman: https://www.pastery.net/uubgtt/06:40
matsamanand this is Ubuntu 21.04?06:41
trafficjamyeah uname -a shows 21.0406:42
matsamannot sure why you would have that version of ppp, should probably be on 2.4.7-2+4.1ubuntu806:43
matsamantrafficjam: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149805/how-to-find-the-packages-that-depend-on-a-certain-package-in-apt06:45
zambasystemd[775]: Trying to run as user instance, but the system has not been booted with systemd.07:51
zambawhat does this mean?07:51
zambaand also: systemd[1]: user@1031.service: Failed with result 'protocol'.07:51
HashHi08:25
HashWhen I run sudo nmcli connection import type openvpn file file.ovpn <- I get error Error: failed to import 'akl-004.ovpn': configuration error: unsupported 3th argument vpn_gateway to “route” (line 18).08:25
HashBut if I use network manager gui to import the file, I get no errors.08:26
HashThe line 18 it complains about is this: route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 vpn_gateway08:26
HashThis is a ovpn config file downloaded from a vpn provider08:26
vershanHi there, I'm certain someone has seen this before. I was using ubuntu 20.04 and from terminal when I got to root. it showed root(skullface)user (in red). exactly like the kali terminal. I reinstall ubuntu and now when I get to root user it just shows default system colours. Am I missing something? Or did I previously install a different terminal.08:50
ducassevershan: colors for the prompt are set in your shell resource files, you might have ran a different shell or got the prompt set some other way08:56
ducassethe variable you're looking for is $PS108:56
vershanducasse: thank you, im im surprised that it had a skull face like kali linux. You suspect I could have used a theme perhaps?08:57
ducasseit's not theme-dependent08:57
bobdobbsHi all. I've downloaded the ubuntu server .ova file from here:  https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/ How do I log in?08:57
vershanducasse: I see, but it was definitely out of the box then as I didnt make any changes to anything08:58
bobdobbsI mean, I've got it running in virtualbox. Now I'm facing the login prompt. But I have no idea what the default username/login cred are. And Google isn't really helping me out with this one.08:58
ducassebobdobbs: i *believe* you're supposed to use cloud-init to copy the ssh key into place or create a user. i might be mistaken08:59
ducassevershan: then you were using a different shell, i dunno08:59
bobdobbscloud-init?08:59
ducasseyeah, it's a package to configure cloud images/vms09:00
bobdobbshuh09:00
ducasseif you ask in #ubuntu-server they'll know more, but might be quiet there right now09:00
vershanducasse: if you say shell would it perhaps have anything to do with me using macOSBig Sur shell ?09:01
bobdobbsducasse: thanks09:01
vershanfrom gnome-look.org?09:01
ducasseit migt, i've not tried it09:01
bobdobbsI don't suppose anyone knows of an ubuntu-server vm that can simply be downloaded and run?09:02
bobdobbsvirtual appliance, I mena09:02
vershanducasse: ive tried to go back to default shell but its the same. I'm guessing I could have installed another terminal then09:03
ducassebobdobbs: most people here use the regular installer and go from there, the cloud images are mostly intended to set up a bunch of nearly identical vms09:03
ducassevershan: do you want that look or the regular prompt?09:04
ducassewhat are you trying to achieve?09:04
ducassebobdobbs: https://serverfault.com/questions/920117/how-do-i-set-a-password-on-an-ubuntu-cloud-image09:05
bobdobbsducasse: thanks09:06
vershanducasse: yes i do, it looks cool and the highlighted red text informs me that I'm in root. it looked like this https://i.redd.it/j6m95vecew261.png09:06
ducassebobdobbs: i recommend using the first approach there and set up a user with ssh key09:07
ducassevershan: then you can set the PS1 varable to achieve this, you need to set a slightly different one for root to get it red09:08
vershanducasse: and the skull face?09:09
ducasseis that your hostname?09:09
ducasseoh, i see09:09
vershanducasse: check the link with the pic i sent09:09
vershanthe terminal looked like that09:09
ducassethat's just an emoji, you can insert that as text09:10
KBarThere should already be a template for that in /etc/profile.09:10
vershanducasse: you suspect I could have installed something to make it look like that. Cause I never played around with PS109:10
ducassevershan: i suspect you ran a script09:11
vershanducasse: I did run a script for a plymout theme I remember to change the boot flash look09:12
vershanlost connection I'm back09:14
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dev4449hi. good day.10:52
dev4449can I grow an ext4 partition while it is mounted?10:52
LopeI've got a new ubuntu 20.04 install10:55
LopeI've disabled and masked systemd-resolved and created /etc/resolv.conf how I want it10:55
Lopethen I installed the ifupdown package10:55
Lopeand created /etc/network/interfaces10:55
Lopebut it's not working (just waiting for the system to boot to see what's wrong)10:55
Lopeis there anything special I need to do for /etc/network/interfaces to work?10:56
LopeI'm just using a very simple static IP setup.10:56
Lope`ifup eth0` says the interface is already configured10:58
Lopebut it doesn' thave the IP that I specified. it has no ip.10:58
Lopehmm. ifdown eth0; (wait) ifup eth0 works10:59
Lopemaybe there's some other network manager fighting with it10:59
Jeremy31Strange that eth0 exists unless you disabled the naming scheme11:00
nicoz-make a paste with "ip a"11:02
nicoz-paste.debian.net11:02
dev4449Any idea on my question guys?11:03
LopeI did disable the default network naming scheme11:04
Lopei stopped and disabled and masked systemd-networkd as well11:04
Loperebooted, still not working nicely.11:04
nicoz-dev4449 You have to resize ext4?11:05
LopeOkay after rebooting it configured the network interface properly11:05
Lopejust took quite a while to finish booting waiting to raise network interfaces11:05
nicoz-dev4449 use Gparted11:06
Lopesorted it was the systemd-networkd-wait-online.service that needed killing also.11:16
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dob1what happend to /etc/network/interfaces on ubuntu? it is "deprecated" ?  I see netplan it replaced it?12:24
Bashing-om!netplan | dob112:52
ubottudob1: Netplan is a network configuration abstraction renderer which uses YAML descriptions of a network to work with either a NetworkManager or Systemd-networkd "renderer". More information at https://netplan.io/12:52
Thomas25EriC^^ hey, i didn't have chance to thank you the other day. thank you13:00
orange1why wont apt fetch stuff with mozilla vpn on13:33
leftyfborange1: sounds like a mozilla vpn/config issue, not an apt issue (if it works fine without the VPN)13:54
BluesKajHi folks14:01
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orange1yrah but with vpn on you can still go to websites and stuff and stream music and all14:11
orange1yeah^^14:12
orange1maybe the vpn server got blacklisted14:14
EriC^^Thomas25: no problem14:14
orange1eh youre probably right because it does it with every server14:17
orange1im havin fun with wsl2 gui apps14:22
orange1you can even compile programs and they work, gui programs too14:22
KBar> #ubuntu-offtopic14:24
orange1ok14:24
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PoppaVicwell, this morning was an even more "wtf?" ubuntu boot.15:19
PoppaVic..after an evening of videos, shutdown, sleep - I wake the system to see no internet - no wifi.15:20
PoppaVicExcept, recovery-mode did something - cuz it was right where it was the night before15:21
KBarPoppaVic: Ubuntu version?15:21
PoppaVicKBar: I've had to go all the way back to 16.04 to get anything to run on this lenove/amd-ryzen, and then manually upgrade the kernel and firmware to see the AX card - and THEN allow it to upgrade no further than 18.0415:22
PoppaVic..and it reminds me of the early days when nothing was stable15:23
PoppaVicKBar: Dunno' why, but a lot of the 'updating' anymore seems awfully fragile - almost a week I spent with every.damned.distro from 21 back down to 16 was breaking itself15:25
PoppaVicPersonally, I suspect the changeover to "snap" may well be an issue - I had the same issues years ago when they were switching package-systems15:26
KBarokay. PoppaVic you might wanna join #ubuntu-discuss for that kinda stuff15:28
PoppaVicAhh? Ok. danke15:30
zetaEhei15:31
zetaEanybody here?15:31
PoppaVicnope15:31
zetaEquestin holding15:31
PoppaViczetaE: you might as well just ask - someone will be awake ;-)15:32
zetaEis there a way to ALLOW headphones, yet disable speakers? via pules or asoundrc15:32
zetaEI wondre whether this is hard15:32
PoppaVicshould be able to select either under the sound settings15:33
zetaEdisable at start up15:33
zetaElock down this setting so speakers can.t be turn on again.15:34
PoppaVichmm. oh, a preference? sounds like it'd lurk in a config-file.15:34
zetaEI only need the headphones15:34
* zetaE googles it15:34
PoppaViczetaE: I hesitate to agree, cuz I am used to shit just dying - but, sounds doable.15:34
jwpapiI’m doing `sudo apt-get remove npm` and it tells me `package npm is not installed` however `npm -v` still gives me a version number15:35
PoppaVicjwpapi: naming-schemes - they got some wild ones15:35
zetaEjwpapi: why do you want to remove that package?15:35
zetaEany lubuntu users?15:35
jwpapizetaE: I only use npm procedures on my development environment, not needed on production15:36
zetaEI need to disable "show hidden files" from menus15:36
KBarjwpapi: could be a virtual package. do `dpkg -S $(which -a npm)`15:36
zetaEjwpapi: install from scratch with dpkg15:36
KBarjwpapi: to find out where the executable came from15:36
PoppaVicneat trick15:37
jwpapigive me a sec15:37
KBarjwpapi: it will show the package it came from15:37
jwpapi`dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/npm`15:37
ogra_/usr/local is not a place any package would install stuff to15:38
KBar+115:38
ogra_you must have built npm yourself15:38
KBarjwpapi: looks like sysadmin manually added that15:38
ogra_(or a script you ran did)15:38
PoppaVicalso susppect some other package-dependency15:38
zetaEjwpapi: might be a script15:39
jwpapiI installed it when I did `sudo apt install nodejs`15:39
ogra_definitely not15:39
zetaEscript-wrapping15:39
orange1zeta if you install pavucontrol and uncheck the check mark for speakers and just leave the check mark for headphones programs will use headphones by default. its in output devices in pavucontrol15:40
KBarjwpapi: ogra_ is right. /usr/local is never touched by APT15:40
KBarper Debian15:40
zetaEscript-wrapping the binary, lately it's becoming a common practice15:40
KBaractually in any FHS-copmliant system15:40
zetaEI guess it's an odd request to disable speaker output15:41
jwpapiokay maybe it was pre-installed somehow15:41
jwpapiI’ll just keep it15:41
zetaEI am not talking about the beep speaker but the internal integrated tower speaker for audio15:42
KBarjwpapi: these are packages ending with "npm": https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=npm15:43
KBarjwpapi: nodejs installs it in /usr/share/nodejs15:43
jwpapithank you KBar15:45
KBaryw15:45
PoppaVicKBar: hey, maybe you'd know... Is there a convenient way to snapshot the ENTIRE INSTALL (when it's working) on the one SSD to an image on another SSD (both are internal). And, of course, reverse the copy?15:50
PoppaVicI was considering dd.15:51
orange1i did it with dd once. it worked but took like a whole day15:52
orange1i dont know if its the right way to do it15:52
PoppaVicorange1: not a real worry, since these are SSD's, rather than hdd. And, right: that's why I've held off.15:53
KBarPoppaVic: yeah, dd should suffice. There is also partimage15:56
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VIAquestion, what is "dummy_hcd.ko" somthing to do with virtual drives maybe or different mapping16:45
VIAi need to find out to my16:45
VIA*make virtual and ventoy run at the same time. im sure its possible16:45
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zetaEorange1: is there a way to set it for every reboot?17:11
zetaEcould this be a solution? ---> "pactl set-source-output-mute"17:15
KBarzetaE that's strange. It should be reboot-persistent. Try to set its Port to "headphones"17:21
KBarzetaE: in Audio mixer. set Port to headphones for your output device17:22
zetaEKBar: sorry, what should be reboot persistance?17:23
KBarzetaE: pavucontrol config17:23
zetaEKBar: I need a solution that it.s disabled from user change17:24
KBarzetaE: do you mean locked?17:25
zetaEblock users from changing the option17:25
zetaEthat.s why I wondered whether .asoundrc would be a definitive option17:25
KBarzetaE: hmm. make config file read only?17:27
KBarzetaE: it's located in user's home directory: $HOME/.config/pulse/some_numbers-default-sink17:28
zetaEKBar: interesting, so read only should do the trick17:29
KBarzetaE: I expect so yeah17:30
zetaEhow to remove "show hidden files" from Nautilus?18:06
zetaEI doubt finding hard science ppl in #libera18:09
ivan8Hi everyone, can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu (20.04) 2-3 months ago, and once a fortnight when I start any browser after restart, I got a message: Unlock Keyring, it is so boring, don't know why it is happening...18:13
tomreynivan8: do you login to the desktop automatically?18:17
ivan8no18:17
ivan8and what is interesting, now password is accepted18:17
tomreynare you referring to this message, though? https://i.imgur.com/1VPyOGg.png18:19
ivan8so just close it a few times after it continues appearing again, I found out the solution by adding --password-store=basic , but this is really not the solution...18:19
ivan8tomrey: exactly18:19
ivan8Before it happened a few times with chrome, now first time with brave browser18:20
ivan8Found out another solution: just make an empty password, but is it good for security?18:22
ivan8I think it is not good, when this happened, somehow Ubuntu developers should improve this...18:22
ivan8I mean fix18:22
tomreynivan8: your keyring should be encrypted, with a password, by default, that's intentional. if chrome uses it, it will also need you to enter the password. it could possibly be made to use a separate keyring, without a password, or  with a different password. there's also the 'basic password-store' chrome can use, an sqlite file which is always unencrypted. you probably want chrome to encrypt your passwords, though.18:29
tomreynnote that chrome is not an ubuntu package, there is chromium as a deb and as a snap18:29
ivan8now I use brave only, really very faster, chrome loads about maybe 6-7 secs, chromium maybe 5, but brave immediately opens18:30
ivan8yes, I understand about this, but why you use it for about 15 days, and then it starts to appear..., that's can't understand.18:31
leftyfbivan8: did you change the password on your machine at all?18:32
ivan8no after install never18:32
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ivan8And you know, when I've installed it, I spend about a week (days and nights), it is a very hard week, I've installed about maybe 30 or 40 Nvidia drivers, different versions tried everything from the internet, all methods, asked also in Nvidia forum, they don't have a clue. After suspend you just got errors concerned to nvidia card. So maybe next18:48
ivan8kernel will help. Actually, I was able to back screen back after suspend by this: https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2020/inttf-nvidia-patcher/ - I don't know what is it, but every after this, the system CPU stuck very often and you almost can't do anything. But when I switch to Intel (prime-select), everything is fine.18:48
ivan8One guy said in forum, that he simply buy new graphic card, and forget about Nvidia forever. Actually this problem with Asus notebooks primarily.18:48
Thomas25iGPU is not listed in lspci unless I connect a monitor during boot19:09
EldonMcGuinnessAnyone know if there is there a reason that Ubuntu is so far behind on libvirt and qemu packages?19:17
leftyfb!latest | EldonMcGuinness19:17
ubottuEldonMcGuinness: Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.19:17
amazoniantoadHow do I enable backlight led on my keyboard? I tried using xset led but nothing happens19:20
leftyfbamazoniantoad: BIOS19:21
EldonMcGuinnessIndeed, but we are quickly approaching 2 years since there was an update; repos have v6.0.0 and current is 7.10.0, with 8.0.0 the next revision. Cheers for the info though.19:21
amazoniantoadleftyfb: I have to enable it via the BIOS?19:21
leftyfbamazoniantoad: correct19:21
amazoniantoadthanks19:21
EldonMcGuinnessGuess I could use redhat install as my vmhost and then ubuntu as the guests. :P19:22
leftyfb!info libvirt-daemon19:24
ubottulibvirt-daemon (7.6.0-0ubuntu1.1, impish): Virtualization daemon. In component main, is optional. Built by libvirt. Size 399 kB / 1,806 kB19:24
EldonMcGuinnessyup, just saw that in the package listings myself19:27
EldonMcGuinnessMight be worth seeing if my host can do that version19:28
EldonMcGuinnesscould not for the life of me remember the packages url.19:28
EldonMcGuinnessCheers for the info leftyfb19:28
ivan8Just've realized that I never use icons on Desktop... :-)19:43
jhutchinsEldonMcGuinness: What features in particular are you looking for in the newer versions?19:43
EldonMcGuinnessjhutchins: It looks like the external snapshot backup is much simpler now. Was hoping to take advantage of that.20:29
EldonMcGuinnessI would normally just write a bash script for that, but I don't like scripting things that are so sensitive and possibly temperamental.20:30
EldonMcGuinnessivan8: I turned to have a very Spartan desktop, though I do keep a junk txt file for quick notes and a link to my work folder.20:35
EldonMcGuinness^turned^tend20:35
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jhutchinsInteresting.  A VMWare snapshot has ongoing updates.  You could theoretically rely on a single snapshot, but they can grow indefinitely, so it's better to replace the base snapshot periodically.20:43
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chadexit22:33
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dob1does firefox becomes a snap package ?23:01
dob1on the update to 21.10 it removes the deb one for the snap one? why ??????23:01
oerheksbecause snap is good.23:02
sarnolddob1: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/2421023:02
dob1now I get why it's slower on start23:03
dob1ok not a big problem, but I have to set it as default browser23:04
oerheksremove the snap, and apt install firefox # would give the deb version again23:04
dob1it is just decided that I have to use the snap one: "he deb will continue to be supported through the life cycle of 21.10, and the deb to snap transition is scheduled to be completed in 22.04."23:05
jhutchinsThis is starting to remind me of Solaris and all of it's dedicated "virtual machines", one for each app.23:26
jhutchinsThat was one of the arguments for using Linux, you ran all of the services on the same base OS and libraries, instead of a seperate copy of them with incompatible versions.23:27
oerheks'just write good code' got me convinced to use linux23:31
dob1every "pro" of using snap vs the deb  for Firefox on the main link are, imho, not so important.. you get the same with the deb too. who cares if you get an update 2 days later for example23:58
dob1if it is a security update is updated asap, just to create problems to people23:59

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