[00:00] <Guest83> what is country alpha2 ? o.O
[00:01] <Guest83> wtf ?
[00:02] <tomreyn> as a reminder: this system is probably not up to date
[00:03] <tomreyn> regdb may have changed since
[00:04] <tomreyn> kernel did change since, maybe relevant drivers, too
[00:04] <sarnold> it's been a busy decade
[00:05] <Jeremy31> Guest83: the country alpha 2 is what we just set, so a reboot may be needed for channels higher than 11
[00:08] <Guest83> ok, thanks
[00:08] <tomreyn> :) sarnold, but no, it's linux 5.11.0-27-generic apparently. which should be hirsute, but without updates, i suspect.
[00:09] <Guest83> .3 release
[00:09] <sarnold> oh :) I saw mention of 'jaunty' earlier and figured it'd been a whilke..
[00:10] <tomreyn> jaunty, too? i only read karmic
[00:10] <tomreyn> Guest83: ubuntu 0.3?
[00:10] <sarnold> oh hmm. I wonder where I got jaunty from..
[00:10] <Guest83> 20.04.3 LTS
[00:12] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 focal-updates
[00:12] <tomreyn> !info linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04 focal
[00:13] <tomreyn> so focal (20.04 LTS) with HWE kernel, fully updated, would give you linux-image-5.11.0-41-generic
[00:13] <tomreyn> you have 5.11.0-27-generic now
[00:14] <tomreyn> (or used to have that earlier)
[00:14] <Guest83> yes kernel, wireless-regdb and lot of other packages are updating
[00:15] <Jeremy31> It would be rare for a kernel to have an update to ath.ko
[00:16] <Guest83> yes kenel-build 41 is installing
[00:16] <tomreyn> probably way too old.
[00:17] <tomreyn> but there could always be bugs or side effects of bugs which might be good to rule out before spending much time diagnosing issues, IMO
[00:21] <tomreyn> Jeremy31: sorry, if i got in the way, though. (you did seem to have finished, with the reboot pending.)
[00:39] <Guest83> i will upgrade to 22.04 lts when its released
[03:46] <Hash> Do you guys cron any apt updates? Is that advisable?
[03:46] <Hash> Something like cron daiy or weekly for update 20.04?
[03:47] <Hash> The topic doesn't contain the info. Where can I try out a copy of 22.04 beta or whatever state it's in
[03:47] <Hash> 5 more months
[03:52] <Bashing-om> Hash: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ - wait one more for unattended upgrade links.
[03:53] <Bashing-om> Hash: "You can read more about apt Periodic configuration options in the /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat script header.
[03:53] <Bashing-om> Unattended-updates is triggered by a daily cronjob: /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat"
[04:05] <lotuspsychje> !next | Hash see also
[06:33] <trafficjam> hey guys, i'm getting `network-manager (1.30.0-1ubuntu3) breaks ppp (>= 2.4.7-3~) and is installed.` after trying to run `sudo dpkg --configure -a`, any idea what this means?
[06:39] <matsaman> trafficjam: so what versions of network-manager and ppp are installed according ot dpkg -l | egrep -i 'network.manager|ppp' ?
[06:40] <trafficjam> matsaman: https://www.pastery.net/uubgtt/
[06:41] <matsaman> and this is Ubuntu 21.04?
[06:42] <trafficjam> yeah uname -a shows 21.04
[06:43] <matsaman> not sure why you would have that version of ppp, should probably be on 2.4.7-2+4.1ubuntu8
[06:45] <matsaman> trafficjam: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/149805/how-to-find-the-packages-that-depend-on-a-certain-package-in-apt
[07:51] <zamba> systemd[775]: Trying to run as user instance, but the system has not been booted with systemd.
[07:51] <zamba> what does this mean?
[07:51] <zamba> and also: systemd[1]: user@1031.service: Failed with result 'protocol'.
[08:25] <Hash> Hi
[08:25] <Hash> When I run sudo nmcli connection import type openvpn file file.ovpn <- I get error Error: failed to import 'akl-004.ovpn': configuration error: unsupported 3th argument vpn_gateway to “route” (line 18).
[08:26] <Hash> But if I use network manager gui to import the file, I get no errors.
[08:26] <Hash> The line 18 it complains about is this: route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 vpn_gateway
[08:26] <Hash> This is a ovpn config file downloaded from a vpn provider
[08:50] <vershan> Hi there, I'm certain someone has seen this before. I was using ubuntu 20.04 and from terminal when I got to root. it showed root(skullface)user (in red). exactly like the kali terminal. I reinstall ubuntu and now when I get to root user it just shows default system colours. Am I missing something? Or did I previously install a different terminal.
[08:56] <ducasse> vershan: colors for the prompt are set in your shell resource files, you might have ran a different shell or got the prompt set some other way
[08:56] <ducasse> the variable you're looking for is $PS1
[08:57] <vershan> ducasse: thank you, im im surprised that it had a skull face like kali linux. You suspect I could have used a theme perhaps?
[08:57] <ducasse> it's not theme-dependent
[08:57] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I've downloaded the ubuntu server .ova file from here:  https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/focal/current/ How do I log in?
[08:58] <vershan> ducasse: I see, but it was definitely out of the box then as I didnt make any changes to anything
[08:58] <bobdobbs> I mean, I've got it running in virtualbox. Now I'm facing the login prompt. But I have no idea what the default username/login cred are. And Google isn't really helping me out with this one.
[08:59] <ducasse> bobdobbs: i *believe* you're supposed to use cloud-init to copy the ssh key into place or create a user. i might be mistaken
[08:59] <ducasse> vershan: then you were using a different shell, i dunno
[08:59] <bobdobbs> cloud-init?
[09:00] <ducasse> yeah, it's a package to configure cloud images/vms
[09:00] <bobdobbs> huh
[09:00] <ducasse> if you ask in #ubuntu-server they'll know more, but might be quiet there right now
[09:01] <vershan> ducasse: if you say shell would it perhaps have anything to do with me using macOSBig Sur shell ?
[09:01] <bobdobbs> ducasse: thanks
[09:01] <vershan> from gnome-look.org?
[09:01] <ducasse> it migt, i've not tried it
[09:02] <bobdobbs> I don't suppose anyone knows of an ubuntu-server vm that can simply be downloaded and run?
[09:02] <bobdobbs> virtual appliance, I mena
[09:03] <vershan> ducasse: ive tried to go back to default shell but its the same. I'm guessing I could have installed another terminal then
[09:03] <ducasse> bobdobbs: most people here use the regular installer and go from there, the cloud images are mostly intended to set up a bunch of nearly identical vms
[09:04] <ducasse> vershan: do you want that look or the regular prompt?
[09:04] <ducasse> what are you trying to achieve?
[09:05] <ducasse> bobdobbs: https://serverfault.com/questions/920117/how-do-i-set-a-password-on-an-ubuntu-cloud-image
[09:06] <bobdobbs> ducasse: thanks
[09:06] <vershan> ducasse: yes i do, it looks cool and the highlighted red text informs me that I'm in root. it looked like this https://i.redd.it/j6m95vecew261.png
[09:07] <ducasse> bobdobbs: i recommend using the first approach there and set up a user with ssh key
[09:08] <ducasse> vershan: then you can set the PS1 varable to achieve this, you need to set a slightly different one for root to get it red
[09:09] <vershan> ducasse: and the skull face?
[09:09] <ducasse> is that your hostname?
[09:09] <ducasse> oh, i see
[09:09] <vershan> ducasse: check the link with the pic i sent
[09:09] <vershan> the terminal looked like that
[09:10] <ducasse> that's just an emoji, you can insert that as text
[09:10] <KBar> There should already be a template for that in /etc/profile.
[09:10] <vershan> ducasse: you suspect I could have installed something to make it look like that. Cause I never played around with PS1
[09:11] <ducasse> vershan: i suspect you ran a script
[09:12] <vershan> ducasse: I did run a script for a plymout theme I remember to change the boot flash look
[09:14] <vershan> lost connection I'm back
[10:52] <dev4449> hi. good day.
[10:52] <dev4449> can I grow an ext4 partition while it is mounted?
[10:55] <Lope> I've got a new ubuntu 20.04 install
[10:55] <Lope> I've disabled and masked systemd-resolved and created /etc/resolv.conf how I want it
[10:55] <Lope> then I installed the ifupdown package
[10:55] <Lope> and created /etc/network/interfaces
[10:55] <Lope> but it's not working (just waiting for the system to boot to see what's wrong)
[10:56] <Lope> is there anything special I need to do for /etc/network/interfaces to work?
[10:56] <Lope> I'm just using a very simple static IP setup.
[10:58] <Lope> `ifup eth0` says the interface is already configured
[10:58] <Lope> but it doesn' thave the IP that I specified. it has no ip.
[10:59] <Lope> hmm. ifdown eth0; (wait) ifup eth0 works
[10:59] <Lope> maybe there's some other network manager fighting with it
[11:00] <Jeremy31> Strange that eth0 exists unless you disabled the naming scheme
[11:02] <nicoz-> make a paste with "ip a"
[11:02] <nicoz-> paste.debian.net
[11:03] <dev4449> Any idea on my question guys?
[11:04] <Lope> I did disable the default network naming scheme
[11:04] <Lope> i stopped and disabled and masked systemd-networkd as well
[11:04] <Lope> rebooted, still not working nicely.
[11:05] <nicoz-> dev4449 You have to resize ext4?
[11:05] <Lope> Okay after rebooting it configured the network interface properly
[11:05] <Lope> just took quite a while to finish booting waiting to raise network interfaces
[11:06] <nicoz-> dev4449 use Gparted
[11:16] <Lope> sorted it was the systemd-networkd-wait-online.service that needed killing also.
[12:24] <dob1> what happend to /etc/network/interfaces on ubuntu? it is "deprecated" ?  I see netplan it replaced it?
[12:52] <Bashing-om> !netplan | dob1
[13:00] <Thomas25> EriC^^ hey, i didn't have chance to thank you the other day. thank you
[13:33] <orange1> why wont apt fetch stuff with mozilla vpn on
[13:54] <leftyfb> orange1: sounds like a mozilla vpn/config issue, not an apt issue (if it works fine without the VPN)
[14:01] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:11] <orange1> yrah but with vpn on you can still go to websites and stuff and stream music and all
[14:12] <orange1> yeah^^
[14:14] <orange1> maybe the vpn server got blacklisted
[14:14] <EriC^^> Thomas25: no problem
[14:17] <orange1> eh youre probably right because it does it with every server
[14:22] <orange1> im havin fun with wsl2 gui apps
[14:22] <orange1> you can even compile programs and they work, gui programs too
[14:24] <KBar> > #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:24] <orange1> ok
[15:19] <PoppaVic> well, this morning was an even more "wtf?" ubuntu boot.
[15:20] <PoppaVic> ..after an evening of videos, shutdown, sleep - I wake the system to see no internet - no wifi.
[15:21] <PoppaVic> Except, recovery-mode did something - cuz it was right where it was the night before
[15:21] <KBar> PoppaVic: Ubuntu version?
[15:22] <PoppaVic> KBar: I've had to go all the way back to 16.04 to get anything to run on this lenove/amd-ryzen, and then manually upgrade the kernel and firmware to see the AX card - and THEN allow it to upgrade no further than 18.04
[15:23] <PoppaVic> ..and it reminds me of the early days when nothing was stable
[15:25] <PoppaVic> KBar: Dunno' why, but a lot of the 'updating' anymore seems awfully fragile - almost a week I spent with every.damned.distro from 21 back down to 16 was breaking itself
[15:26] <PoppaVic> Personally, I suspect the changeover to "snap" may well be an issue - I had the same issues years ago when they were switching package-systems
[15:28] <KBar> okay. PoppaVic you might wanna join #ubuntu-discuss for that kinda stuff
[15:30] <PoppaVic> Ahh? Ok. danke
[15:31] <zetaE> hei
[15:31] <zetaE> anybody here?
[15:31] <PoppaVic> nope
[15:31] <zetaE> questin holding
[15:32] <PoppaVic> zetaE: you might as well just ask - someone will be awake ;-)
[15:32] <zetaE> is there a way to ALLOW headphones, yet disable speakers? via pules or asoundrc
[15:32] <zetaE> I wondre whether this is hard
[15:33] <PoppaVic> should be able to select either under the sound settings
[15:33] <zetaE> disable at start up
[15:34] <zetaE> lock down this setting so speakers can.t be turn on again.
[15:34] <PoppaVic> hmm. oh, a preference? sounds like it'd lurk in a config-file.
[15:34] <zetaE> I only need the headphones
[15:34]  * zetaE googles it
[15:34] <PoppaVic> zetaE: I hesitate to agree, cuz I am used to shit just dying - but, sounds doable.
[15:35] <jwpapi> I’m doing `sudo apt-get remove npm` and it tells me `package npm is not installed` however `npm -v` still gives me a version number
[15:35] <PoppaVic> jwpapi: naming-schemes - they got some wild ones
[15:35] <zetaE> jwpapi: why do you want to remove that package?
[15:35] <zetaE> any lubuntu users?
[15:36] <jwpapi> zetaE: I only use npm procedures on my development environment, not needed on production
[15:36] <zetaE> I need to disable "show hidden files" from menus
[15:36] <KBar> jwpapi: could be a virtual package. do `dpkg -S $(which -a npm)`
[15:36] <zetaE> jwpapi: install from scratch with dpkg
[15:36] <KBar> jwpapi: to find out where the executable came from
[15:37] <PoppaVic> neat trick
[15:37] <jwpapi> give me a sec
[15:37] <KBar> jwpapi: it will show the package it came from
[15:37] <jwpapi> `dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/local/bin/npm`
[15:38] <ogra_> /usr/local is not a place any package would install stuff to
[15:38] <KBar> +1
[15:38] <ogra_> you must have built npm yourself
[15:38] <KBar> jwpapi: looks like sysadmin manually added that
[15:38] <ogra_> (or a script you ran did)
[15:38] <PoppaVic> also susppect some other package-dependency
[15:39] <zetaE> jwpapi: might be a script
[15:39] <jwpapi> I installed it when I did `sudo apt install nodejs`
[15:39] <ogra_> definitely not
[15:39] <zetaE> script-wrapping
[15:40] <orange1> zeta if you install pavucontrol and uncheck the check mark for speakers and just leave the check mark for headphones programs will use headphones by default. its in output devices in pavucontrol
[15:40] <KBar> jwpapi: ogra_ is right. /usr/local is never touched by APT
[15:40] <KBar> per Debian
[15:40] <zetaE> script-wrapping the binary, lately it's becoming a common practice
[15:40] <KBar> actually in any FHS-copmliant system
[15:41] <zetaE> I guess it's an odd request to disable speaker output
[15:41] <jwpapi> okay maybe it was pre-installed somehow
[15:41] <jwpapi> I’ll just keep it
[15:42] <zetaE> I am not talking about the beep speaker but the internal integrated tower speaker for audio
[15:43] <KBar> jwpapi: these are packages ending with "npm": https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=npm
[15:43] <KBar> jwpapi: nodejs installs it in /usr/share/nodejs
[15:45] <jwpapi> thank you KBar
[15:45] <KBar> yw
[15:50] <PoppaVic> KBar: hey, maybe you'd know... Is there a convenient way to snapshot the ENTIRE INSTALL (when it's working) on the one SSD to an image on another SSD (both are internal). And, of course, reverse the copy?
[15:51] <PoppaVic> I was considering dd.
[15:52] <orange1> i did it with dd once. it worked but took like a whole day
[15:52] <orange1> i dont know if its the right way to do it
[15:53] <PoppaVic> orange1: not a real worry, since these are SSD's, rather than hdd. And, right: that's why I've held off.
[15:56] <KBar> PoppaVic: yeah, dd should suffice. There is also partimage
[16:45] <VIA> question, what is "dummy_hcd.ko" somthing to do with virtual drives maybe or different mapping
[16:45] <VIA> i need to find out to my
[16:45] <VIA> *make virtual and ventoy run at the same time. im sure its possible
[17:11] <zetaE> orange1: is there a way to set it for every reboot?
[17:15] <zetaE> could this be a solution? ---> "pactl set-source-output-mute"
[17:21] <KBar> zetaE that's strange. It should be reboot-persistent. Try to set its Port to "headphones"
[17:22] <KBar> zetaE: in Audio mixer. set Port to headphones for your output device
[17:23] <zetaE> KBar: sorry, what should be reboot persistance?
[17:23] <KBar> zetaE: pavucontrol config
[17:24] <zetaE> KBar: I need a solution that it.s disabled from user change
[17:25] <KBar> zetaE: do you mean locked?
[17:25] <zetaE> block users from changing the option
[17:25] <zetaE> that.s why I wondered whether .asoundrc would be a definitive option
[17:27] <KBar> zetaE: hmm. make config file read only?
[17:28] <KBar> zetaE: it's located in user's home directory: $HOME/.config/pulse/some_numbers-default-sink
[17:29] <zetaE> KBar: interesting, so read only should do the trick
[17:30] <KBar> zetaE: I expect so yeah
[18:06] <zetaE> how to remove "show hidden files" from Nautilus?
[18:09] <zetaE> I doubt finding hard science ppl in #libera
[18:13] <ivan8> Hi everyone, can someone help me? I've installed Ubuntu (20.04) 2-3 months ago, and once a fortnight when I start any browser after restart, I got a message: Unlock Keyring, it is so boring, don't know why it is happening...
[18:17] <tomreyn> ivan8: do you login to the desktop automatically?
[18:17] <ivan8> no
[18:17] <ivan8> and what is interesting, now password is accepted
[18:19] <tomreyn> are you referring to this message, though? https://i.imgur.com/1VPyOGg.png
[18:19] <ivan8> so just close it a few times after it continues appearing again, I found out the solution by adding --password-store=basic , but this is really not the solution...
[18:19] <ivan8> tomrey: exactly
[18:20] <ivan8> Before it happened a few times with chrome, now first time with brave browser
[18:22] <ivan8> Found out another solution: just make an empty password, but is it good for security?
[18:22] <ivan8> I think it is not good, when this happened, somehow Ubuntu developers should improve this...
[18:22] <ivan8> I mean fix
[18:29] <tomreyn> ivan8: your keyring should be encrypted, with a password, by default, that's intentional. if chrome uses it, it will also need you to enter the password. it could possibly be made to use a separate keyring, without a password, or  with a different password. there's also the 'basic password-store' chrome can use, an sqlite file which is always unencrypted. you probably want chrome to encrypt your passwords, though.
[18:29] <tomreyn> note that chrome is not an ubuntu package, there is chromium as a deb and as a snap
[18:30] <ivan8> now I use brave only, really very faster, chrome loads about maybe 6-7 secs, chromium maybe 5, but brave immediately opens
[18:31] <ivan8> yes, I understand about this, but why you use it for about 15 days, and then it starts to appear..., that's can't understand.
[18:32] <leftyfb> ivan8: did you change the password on your machine at all?
[18:32] <ivan8> no after install never
[18:48] <ivan8> And you know, when I've installed it, I spend about a week (days and nights), it is a very hard week, I've installed about maybe 30 or 40 Nvidia drivers, different versions tried everything from the internet, all methods, asked also in Nvidia forum, they don't have a clue. After suspend you just got errors concerned to nvidia card. So maybe next
[18:48] <ivan8> kernel will help. Actually, I was able to back screen back after suspend by this: https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2020/inttf-nvidia-patcher/ - I don't know what is it, but every after this, the system CPU stuck very often and you almost can't do anything. But when I switch to Intel (prime-select), everything is fine.
[18:48] <ivan8> One guy said in forum, that he simply buy new graphic card, and forget about Nvidia forever. Actually this problem with Asus notebooks primarily.
[19:09] <Thomas25> iGPU is not listed in lspci unless I connect a monitor during boot
[19:17] <EldonMcGuinness> Anyone know if there is there a reason that Ubuntu is so far behind on libvirt and qemu packages?
[19:17] <leftyfb> !latest | EldonMcGuinness
[19:20] <amazoniantoad> How do I enable backlight led on my keyboard? I tried using xset led but nothing happens
[19:21] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: BIOS
[19:21] <EldonMcGuinness> Indeed, but we are quickly approaching 2 years since there was an update; repos have v6.0.0 and current is 7.10.0, with 8.0.0 the next revision. Cheers for the info though.
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> leftyfb: I have to enable it via the BIOS?
[19:21] <leftyfb> amazoniantoad: correct
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> thanks
[19:22] <EldonMcGuinness> Guess I could use redhat install as my vmhost and then ubuntu as the guests. :P
[19:24] <leftyfb> !info libvirt-daemon
[19:27] <EldonMcGuinness> yup, just saw that in the package listings myself
[19:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Might be worth seeing if my host can do that version
[19:28] <EldonMcGuinness> could not for the life of me remember the packages url.
[19:28] <EldonMcGuinness> Cheers for the info leftyfb
[19:43] <ivan8> Just've realized that I never use icons on Desktop... :-)
[19:43] <jhutchins> EldonMcGuinness: What features in particular are you looking for in the newer versions?
[20:29] <EldonMcGuinness> jhutchins: It looks like the external snapshot backup is much simpler now. Was hoping to take advantage of that.
[20:30] <EldonMcGuinness> I would normally just write a bash script for that, but I don't like scripting things that are so sensitive and possibly temperamental.
[20:35] <EldonMcGuinness> ivan8: I turned to have a very Spartan desktop, though I do keep a junk txt file for quick notes and a link to my work folder.
[20:35] <EldonMcGuinness> ^turned^tend
[20:43] <jhutchins> Interesting.  A VMWare snapshot has ongoing updates.  You could theoretically rely on a single snapshot, but they can grow indefinitely, so it's better to replace the base snapshot periodically.
[22:33] <chad> exit
[23:01] <dob1> does firefox becomes a snap package ?
[23:01] <dob1> on the update to 21.10 it removes the deb one for the snap one? why ??????
[23:02] <oerheks> because snap is good.
[23:02] <sarnold> dob1: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210
[23:03] <dob1> now I get why it's slower on start
[23:04] <dob1> ok not a big problem, but I have to set it as default browser
[23:04] <oerheks> remove the snap, and apt install firefox # would give the deb version again
[23:05] <dob1> it is just decided that I have to use the snap one: "he deb will continue to be supported through the life cycle of 21.10, and the deb to snap transition is scheduled to be completed in 22.04."
[23:26] <jhutchins> This is starting to remind me of Solaris and all of it's dedicated "virtual machines", one for each app.
[23:27] <jhutchins> That was one of the arguments for using Linux, you ran all of the services on the same base OS and libraries, instead of a seperate copy of them with incompatible versions.
[23:31] <oerheks> 'just write good code' got me convinced to use linux
[23:58] <dob1> every "pro" of using snap vs the deb  for Firefox on the main link are, imho, not so important.. you get the same with the deb too. who cares if you get an update 2 days later for example
[23:59] <dob1> if it is a security update is updated asap, just to create problems to people