[00:01] <dob1> I prefer to have a faster startup time
[00:12] <dob1> https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/fa8ewy/ubuntu_2004_lts_to_revert_gnome_calculator_and/
[00:12] <dob1> the same with Firefox for sure
[01:08] <guzzlefry> How is NTFS write support these days?
[01:08] <guzzlefry> Trying to ditch my fileserver and just swap around a USB drive.
[01:12] <sarnold> guzzlefry: there's a file in the kernel source tree, Documentation/filesystems/ntfs3.rst, that looks very promising -- but it was added to the kernel in august 2021. *maybe* it's in ubuntu 21.10?
[01:20] <guzzlefry> ah darn, I'm trying to stick to LTS. Maybe I could use some *FAT filesystem but I think that has some fairly small max file size?
[03:01] <guzzlefry> Just kidding. exFAT apparnetly supports files up to 16 exabytes. :P
[03:01] <sarnold> is there write support for that on linux?
[03:01] <sarnold> I thought last time I went looking in the kernel I didn't find any easy docs on it :(
[03:08] <guzzlefry> I thought it was well supported for a while?
[03:09] <guzzlefry> "Linux via FUSE or natively starting from kernel 5.4"
[03:10] <guzzlefry> This reminds me. I should probably run updates. Been a few months. :X
[03:27] <bobdobbs> Hi all. I usually use Filezilla. But recently I reinstalled ubuntu 20.04 and reinstalled Filezilla. Filezilla now no longer connects to sftp servers. Are there any half-decent alternatives to filezilla?
[03:28] <bobdobbs> GFTP still works. But it's a little ugly.
[03:29] <sarnold> what error do you get when you try to connect to an sftp server? removing sftp support feels pretty unlikely to me
[03:31] <bobdobbs> sarnold: I'll check. And yeah, I wouldn't think that sftp support has been removed. But I've never been a big fan of filezilla anyway.
[03:31] <bobdobbs> I just haven't found anything better
[03:31] <sarnold> oh, heh
[03:31] <bobdobbs> This is the typical output I get from filezilla when I try to connect to any sftp service: http://pastie.org/p/4mCKFwJolcHs6OWcRFiasE
[03:33] <sarnold> do you have a private key that can authenticate as root on that host?
[03:33] <bobdobbs> I get that output whether I use a password or not, when connecting to any host that holds my user's public key
[03:33] <bobdobbs> yep
[03:34] <bobdobbs> I can ssh directly into that host as root or a non-root user without providing a password
[03:34] <bobdobbs> same holds for two other hosts as well
[03:35] <bobdobbs> The only host I can connect to via sftp using filezilla is localhost
[05:57] <netham45> I have a USB touchpad that shows up as a normal USB mouse (for android compatibility), is there any way to enable palm rejection for it?
[06:18] <vuurdraak> goede morgen, question, I killed all log4j .jar files from my UPS java based software, I have noticed for the first time that Ubuntu it self seems to see the UPS/battery , as it says battery fully charged like as if I'm on alaptop , is there built in support in Ubuntu to communicated with the UPS ?
[06:19] <vuurdraak> Will it power down by it self even without the UPS software if it sees the battery is low ?
[06:20] <gh057> Was there no update for those jars? Version 2.15.0 is considered the patch even though there is a chance the next CVE (which is currently being evaluated) may require everyone to update to 2.16.0
[06:21] <vuurdraak> I emailed powerwalker the UPS suplier yesterday to fix their software, there was no update then yet
[06:21] <vuurdraak> lol 2.15 is bad too ;') ?
[06:22] <Thomas25> do i need to enable hardware acceleration for uhd 640? my ubuntu feels sluggish in 4k + it drives the display at 30hz (cpu spec says 4k@60Hz)
[06:22] <gh057> It is most likely. The second CVE, last time I checked was still under analysis.
[06:23] <gh057> Ah, it's done being analyzed. It's a LOW: https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2021-45046
[06:23] <vuurdraak> @ gh057 , ah well thats what you get i guess when a simple logging program, starts to test stuff by running any string given to it as code :D
[06:23] <gh057> :D
[06:24] <gh057> Thanks for the explanation ubottu.
[06:24] <vuurdraak> can they not replace things by removing all the 200k lines of code and simply do something like $input > logfile :P ?
[06:25] <gh057> So.. this was an interesting one for me b/c I'm not typically a Java engineer so I had some learning to do. At some point I would like to go line-by-line and figure out how that worked but not today.
[06:25] <vuurdraak> xD
[06:27] <vuurdraak> @ Thomas25 not sure what that is UHD 640 is that onboard intel graphics /
[06:27] <vuurdraak> ?*
[06:31] <vuurdraak> Thomas25, if that is an onboard intel gpu, check what driver it is running, serach in the dash with 'soft' -> click on software & drivers -> additional drivers tab -> check what driver is used , if it's intel ?
[06:33] <Thomas25> I have only NVIDIA and Broadcom (wifi) listed there (which both are now disconnected from Linux and passed through to a VM via qemu/KVM)
[06:34] <Thomas25> I want to have a smooth UI in my ubuntu hypervisor but i think there's something wrong
[06:34] <vuurdraak> but that UHD 640 is the onboard intel GPU ?
[06:36] <Thomas25> yes that's the igpu in the cpu
[06:36] <Thomas25> i have i7-8700k
[06:37] <vuurdraak> i dont have an onboard GPU , but there is some trickery needed to get both working, forgot the thing that its called else it will only use one of them i think, but im not an expert on this
[06:39] <vuurdraak> so the problem is in the VM right ?
[06:39] <Thomas25> no, host X performance is horrible
[06:39] <vuurdraak> ah
[06:39] <Thomas25> dragging a window stutters, not smooth
[06:39] <Thomas25> vainfo confirms intel video encoding decoding hardware acceleration work
[06:40] <Thomas25> but X server seems not right. it also drives 4k display at 30hz
[06:40] <Thomas25> where as cpu spec says 4k@60
[06:40] <vuurdraak> which nvidia driver are you using ?
[06:40] <vuurdraak> i am at 495
[06:41] <vuurdraak> which is the latest driver i think from the extra gpu driver repository
[06:43] <vuurdraak> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa  ,gives extra drivers if you dont have that ppa yet
[06:44] <vuurdraak> @ Thomas25
[06:59] <Denislav> server irc.all4y.net
[07:00] <vuurdraak> that is to close to log4j for me :')
[07:05] <Thomas25> vuurdraak i think the problem is i installed this ubuntu when having nvidia on... now i disabled nvidia and assigned it passthrough to a VM.
[07:05] <Thomas25> now X uses iGPU but somehow it is using it in a half assed manner
[07:06] <Thomas25> i think this might have something to do with X itself
[07:34] <goodfortune> what?
[07:36] <vuurdraak> Thomas , i am reading through some stuff and it seems a real headache, have you tried all the different nvidia drivers if there is any difference ? and I assume both the iGPU & nvidia GPU are recognized ? ->  lspci -nnk | grep -iA2 vga
[07:45] <vuurdraak> time to go learning -> afk
[08:10] <beuys> Hello! Since the last update, I cannot use the full resolution of my monitor (2560x1440) anymore. Any ideas how that happened?
[09:00] <dob1> 1.8gb on ~/snap/firefox , there is somethign wrong with snap
[09:01] <matsaman> not much is right with snap
[09:02] <dob1> 1.8gb for a browser
[09:02] <dob1> it's crazy
[10:28] <Thomas25> intel iGPU uhd630, i'm trying "xrandr --output HDMI-2 --mode 3840x2160x60.."to get 60 Hz rate but it says "Configue crtc 0 failed"
[10:28] <Thomas25> but this igpu supports 4k@60Hz (i7.8700k)
[10:28] <Thomas25> and this particular hdmi cable also known to support 4k@60
[10:38] <Intelo> How can I get sourcecode of this? https://snapcraft.io/lunacy
[10:39] <ravage> you cant
[10:40] <matsaman> yeah looks closed source
[10:40] <matsaman> what do you want the source for?
[10:52] <tomreyn> In the old days, wanting to have access to the source code of software you run wasn't something unusual.
[10:55] <matsaman> it's a wonderful thing
[10:55] <matsaman> but I ask because it's unlikely there is a lot of unique stuff in this lunacy app that you can't get from another, open source, app
[11:08] <ProfessorChunk> Thats more like it, I went onto freenode and joined ubuntu to find less than 200 users, was so confused.
[11:09] <ProfessorChunk> Glad to see you guys moved to another server and it didnt just die or start using a discord or something
[11:09] <tomreyn> glad you made the move, now, do you have a support question?
[11:10] <ProfessorChunk> Yes, my bad.
[11:10] <ProfessorChunk> I was curious on if there was any real difference to using WSL for Ubuntu on Windows versus just a VM?
[11:13] <tomreyn> WSL2 is probably more tightly integrated into the windows environment (I'm guessing there). it's also using VM functionality (hyperv), though.
[11:15] <tomreyn> microsoft provides documentation on wsl2, it might discuss its advantages over a plain virtualization solution.
[11:18] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah I am using WSL2 now since I am on W11 and do far its actually very nice. Okay thanks.
[11:18] <Thomas25> ProfessorChunk yeah it looks very nice but be veeeery careful
[11:19] <Thomas25> https://github.com/microsoft/WSL/issues/4974
[11:20] <ProfessorChunk> Thx I will take a look at that.
[11:21] <ProfessorChunk> Although I cannot get nick completion to work in irssi, dunno if thats a WSL thing or if I am just misremembering how to use it.
[11:21] <matsaman> hahah
[11:22] <ProfessorChunk> Thought it was just @{n}{tab}
[11:22] <matsaman> tomreyn: ha, I didn't realize that's what WSL2 did, going to hyper-v
[11:22] <matsaman> classic EEE from MS
[11:23]  * matsaman tips hat
[11:25] <tomreyn> matsaman: it's not just a standard hyperV instance, i think, otherwise there would be no need for microsoft to provide and maintain their own linux kernel
[11:25] <ProfessorChunk> Oh ya dont use the dumb @ symbol. Been using discord too much. I missed irssi
[11:26] <ProfessorChunk> Oh WSL2 uses its own kernel?
[11:27] <ProfessorChunk> I'd hope its just a fork of current stable with whaetver they need added for WSL to integrate into windows better.
[11:28] <ogra_> WSL is wine-reversed ...
[11:28] <ProfessorChunk> Last think I want is M$ writing my damn linux kernel
[11:28] <ogra_> it does syscall translation like wine doe on linux
[11:28] <ogra_> *does
[11:28] <ogra_> the kernel is just the windows kernel
[11:29] <ProfessorChunk> Is that the whole wslg thing? Where I can just run any graphical linux app and its just automagically opens in windows?
[11:29] <tomreyn> ogra_: i think you are referring to WSL1. this differs for WSL2: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/kernel-release-notes
[11:29] <ogra_> not sure how the graphics side works ...
[11:30] <ogra_> tomreyn, oh ! TIL ...
[11:30] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah its impressive how seemless it is. I bet I could install gnome and just start an instance of a gnome desktop.
[11:31] <ogra_> (the only windows i have tuched in the last 20y is an old XP iso in a virtualbox VM 😛 )
[11:31] <ogra_> *touched
[11:31] <matsaman> tomreyn: still, seems they made a lot of WSL people into "unwitting" hyper-v users
[11:31] <ProfessorChunk> Oh well I need my VS Code.. and gaming lol.
[11:32] <ProfessorChunk> Oh wait I heard there is a port of VS Code for Linux nowadays actually.
[11:32] <ProfessorChunk> Sorry this is prob all off topic
[11:32] <ogra_> ProfessorChunk, https://snapcraft.io/code
[11:33] <matsaman> it uses electron, right?
[11:33] <ogra_> yeah
[11:33] <ProfessorChunk> It can.
[11:33] <matsaman> so it's basically just a web app pretending to be a desktop app
[11:33] <matsaman> pretty OS agnostic
[11:34] <matsaman> with vscode the issue is that there's an open source version and a closed source version, and they have the exact same name
[11:34] <ProfessorChunk> Naw Visual Studio is closed source VS Code is open lol
[11:34] <ogra_> ... but different feature set
[11:35] <ProfessorChunk> VS Code is very powerful and impressive, I would have never imagined MS would make something that usable free and OSS
[11:35] <matsaman> there's an open source version of vs code, and there's a proprietary binary version
[11:36] <ProfessorChunk> What propritary version? Are you thinking of Visual Studio?
[11:36] <matsaman> no, I am not
[11:37] <ProfessorChunk> Please link me to this version then, I have never heard of it and been in development for 20 years.
[11:37] <Thomas25> how much perforamnce penalty would expect from a GPU passthrough? a game that does100fps on linux did 60fps on win11
[11:37] <matsaman> ProfessorChunk: any binary you get from Microsoft has a not completely known origin
[11:37] <ogra_> ProfessorChunk, https://itsfoss.com/vscodium/
[11:38] <ProfessorChunk> Except they have the source there on the site?
[11:38] <matsaman> Thomas25: honestly linux is usually more performant when doing metal install comparisons
[11:38] <matsaman> ProfessorChunk: they have the source for something with the same name, yep
[11:39] <ProfessorChunk> Lol okay, sounds like some tin foil hate stuff to me. Did you decompile the binary and diff the provided source?
[11:39] <ProfessorChunk> That would be quite a feat.
[11:39] <matsaman> yes it would
[11:39] <matsaman> which is why people won't be doing it
[11:39] <matsaman> which is what makes it dangerous
[11:40] <ogra_> https://snapcraft.io/vscodium ...
[11:40] <matsaman> you'll be trusting ms binaries, and trusting them, and trusting them, and then one day you won't be able to live without the binary version
[11:40] <ProfessorChunk> You could say that about any large precompiled binary for any open source app.. but what its MS so you think its different?
[11:40] <matsaman> and boom, now you're dependent on proprietary software
[11:40] <tomreyn> !discuss
[11:41] <matsaman> ProfessorChunk: good question
[11:41] <ProfessorChunk> Lol, yeah prob best to move on
[11:41] <tomreyn> or, if this is not actually about ubuntu, there's also #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:41] <matsaman> if you'd never encountered MS, anyway =P
[11:42] <ProfessorChunk> Back to trying to get Ubuntu Server on my Pi, configuring wifi on that is a real pain.
[11:42] <ogra_> nah
[11:42] <ogra_> it's trivial
[11:42] <ProfessorChunk> Has been for me, I edited the files exactly as the docs show and it just refuses to work
[11:42] <ogra_> just edit the yaml file in /etc/netplan/
[11:43] <ProfessorChunk> Yes I have been haha
[11:44] <ProfessorChunk> Tried both 2.4ghz and 5ghz and it just doesnt work. No logs or anything to see why. I am considering just installing desktop and then converting it at this point.
[11:44] <ogra_> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GqP5ZBBWTk/
[11:44] <ogra_> here is mine
[11:45] <ProfessorChunk> But your SSID and Password are in quotes, no?
[11:45] <ogra_> (just copy/paste it and replace the "MY..." values)
[11:45] <ogra_> no quotes
[11:45] <ProfessorChunk> Weird every example including Ubuntu docs specifically say to use quotes for both. I will try that.
[11:46] <ogra_> just remember this is yaml ... indendation is essential ...
[11:47] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah curious yours are all 2 space and every example I have seen is 4
[11:47] <ProfessorChunk> So I will try that as well
[11:48] <matsaman> shouldn't strictly matter, as long as it's consistent
[11:50] <ProfessorChunk> Just like a lot of interpreted languages
[11:53] <ProfessorChunk> Hopefully this Pi4 will make a decent lil NAS
[12:02] <Tech_8> sup
[12:02] <waveform> ProfessorChunk, indentation can be 2 or 4, but do be consistent. One absolute no-no is mixing tabs and spaces (which seems to be an all too common mistake). One thing that *may* also be worth investigating (depending on your wifi setup) is whether the wifi region is set ("sudo iw reg set GB" to specify the uk region for example)
[12:03] <Tech_8> hi
[12:04] <Tech_8> hi jje_
[12:06] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah when i tried iw before it said network tools or whatever the package was isnt installed
[12:06] <ProfessorChunk> This time it hung on waiting for network to be configured, so I am making some kinda progress
[12:16] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah mine is the exact same and it just hans at atrtup ay systemd-resolved.service
[12:18] <ProfessorChunk> I have edited the one in the system boot partition called network config as the ubuntu docs say as well as the one in /etc/netplan/
[12:19] <ogra_> i'd focus on only one and remove (backup) the other
[12:20] <ProfessorChunk> Which one does it prioritise?
[12:20] <ogra_> the standard file is th eone in /etc/netplan ...
[12:20] <ProfessorChunk> k
[12:20] <ProfessorChunk> Wonder why the offical ubuntu docs specifically have a footnote saying that the ssid must be in quotes.
[12:21] <ogra_> (also used on normal server and desktop installs ... the one in /boot is a pi specific hack that simply feeds into the other IIRC)
[12:21] <ProfessorChunk> maybe depreciated
[12:22] <waveform> ProfessorChunk, the network-config file on the boot partition is cloud-init's network configuration. It's only processed on the *first* boot, during which its contents are re-written out as the /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml file which is the network configuration from then on
[12:22] <ProfessorChunk> Also another guide says to use iwlist but when I try it says wireless-tools isnt even installed.
[12:23] <ProfessorChunk> waveform: Aw okay ty, I will ignore that one from now on then.
[12:23] <ProfessorChunk> Wouldnt wireless tools need to be installed for like wpa-suplicant and such?
[12:24] <waveform> no, wpa-supplicant is separate and can run without the wireless-tools being present
[12:25] <ProfessorChunk> k cause when i try running wpa-supplicant it also says its not installed and can be installed with network-tools
[12:25] <ProfessorChunk> Nvm, I am wrong it is here.
[12:26] <waveform> heh - if wpa-supplicant wasn't there I would definitely be worried :)
[12:28] <ProfessorChunk> trying again with 2.4ghz
[12:29] <ProfessorChunk> I am still confused on the quotes thing, I believe you and all I am sure tahts your actual file its just odd I have read 6 different guides now and they all specify to quote the SSID and Password
[12:30] <waveform> on quotes: *generally* the quotes can be omitted but there are specific exceptions to that, for example if your entire password were digits, yaml would interpret that as a number, not a string, some things count as dates, certain characters can't be used outside quotes. As a general rule of thumb it's safer just to quote stuff like passwords
[12:30] <ogra_> ProfessorChunk, well, cloud-init might expect quotes while netplan does not
[12:31] <ogra_> and indeed ... special chars and spaces migth need quotes even in yaml ...
[12:31] <ProfessorChunk> Yes I just assumed it would be much safer to specify them as strings then to hope it guesses
[12:31] <waveform> both cloud-init and netplan just run the config thru a general YAML parser (though in cloud-init's case it's a python one, in netplan I presume it's C based probably); neither should treat quoted/unquoted items any differently than the other
[12:32] <waveform> though I may emphasize that *should* ;)
[12:32] <ProfessorChunk> Omg I am pinging google.
[12:32] <ProfessorChunk> So it didnt like the 5Ghz
[12:32] <ogra_> how dare you !!!
[12:33] <ProfessorChunk> Also changed back to quotes, maybe with my specific password that helped as well
[12:33] <ogra_> this is weird, my WLAN acrss the house (except for basement) is 5GHz and my Pis work fine here
[12:33] <ogra_> *across
[12:33] <ProfessorChunk> I know Pi4 has a 5Ghz radio so maybe thats something I will look into later, but I can go headless now thank goodness.
[12:34] <waveform> ah, sorry -- I missed that you were using 5GHz. That certainly is known to have more issues that 2.4GHz on the pi. For starters the regulatory domain is a *lot* more important in 5GHz (in some domains there's only a couple of channels the overlap with the "global/unset" default domain)
[12:34] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah google shows lots of people with same issue specifically with ubuntu so should be something I can work out
[12:34] <waveform> can I just check which version of ubuntu you're using?
[12:35] <ProfessorChunk> waveform: Sorry that all went right over my head
[12:35] <ProfessorChunk> Latest, just downloaded 20.04.3
[12:36] <waveform> ah, by default all wifi radios are set to a global/unset regulatory domain which means they can only use a set of frequencies that *everyone* permits (e.g. channels 1-11 for 2.4GHz wifi). However, specific domains (e.g. the united kingdom) permit additional channels (1-13 is permitted here), but your radio will *not* use those channels unless it's told that it's in the "GB" regulatory domain
[12:37] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah I live in US so should be okay?
[12:37] <waveform> in 2.4Ghz there's a pretty big overlap between the "unset" default domains (1-11) and all the domains available. However, in 5GHz it's very different -- the set of channels in the "unset" domain is very small compared to those fully available, and there's a bunch of extra rules like radar detection that have to be enabled for certain channels in certain domains
[12:37] <ogra_> you can set the regdb in /etc/default/crda
[12:38] <waveform> so, general rule of thumb: in 2.4GHz you can almost always get away with the "default" domain, but in 5GHz it's much less likely
[12:38] <ogra_> *the regdb domain
[12:38] <ProfessorChunk> Okay I will give that a shot
[12:39] <ProfessorChunk> Great I tried to reboot in the middle of an unattended-upgrade
[12:40] <waveform> in other words, if you try running "sudo iw reg set US" in your case you may find that 5GHz works more successfully afterward (whether that setting persists across boots I'm ... not sure; have seen some conflicting reports recently ... it's something I need to look into)
[12:40] <ProfessorChunk> Well I will test to see if it works then if it persists so we know for sure
[12:40] <ProfessorChunk> after this stupid unattended-update
[12:41] <ProfessorChunk> Starting to remind me of windows lol
[12:41] <ogra_> well, its a security feature ...
[12:42] <ProfessorChunk> I know just joking/whining
[12:42] <ogra_> 🙂
[12:42] <ProfessorChunk> I cant see that char.. unicode?
[12:43] <ogra_> yeah, emoji ...
[12:43] <ogra_> (just a smiley)
[12:43] <ProfessorChunk> in irc? Guessing some clients support that now?
[12:43] <ProfessorChunk> Not cli ones though I am sure?
[12:43] <ogra_> most do i think
[12:43] <ogra_> even cli ones
[12:43] <ProfessorChunk> irssi doesnt apparently
[12:44] <ogra_> http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/howtos/irssi-utf-8-guide.txt
[12:44] <ProfessorChunk> I mean out of the box
[12:44] <ProfessorChunk> I mean out of the box
[12:44] <ProfessorChunk> ooops
[12:44] <ogra_> dunno ... i use hexchat 🙂
[12:45] <ProfessorChunk> As i am running a fresh install and it showed a square with a question mark in it.
[12:45] <gilbe3ac> Hey
[12:46] <ogra_> well, it is a user confguration ...
[12:46] <gilbe3ac> True
[12:46] <ProfessorChunk> So after I try that iw reg set us
[12:46] <ProfessorChunk> how do I generate and apply again?
[12:47] <ProfessorChunk> Cause I cant just restart if it may not persist
[12:47] <gilbe3ac> Hello ProfessorChunk
[12:47] <ProfessorChunk> Hi gilbe3ac
[12:47] <ProfessorChunk> is it like netplan generate
[12:47] <ProfessorChunk> the netplan apply?
[12:48] <ProfessorChunk> I kind of rememeber
[12:48] <gilbe3ac> Yall like ubuntu or MacOS?
[12:48] <ProfessorChunk> I mean this is an Ubuntu support channel.. so I guess Ubuntu..
[12:48] <gilbe3ac> well it is support channel sooo
[12:49] <gilbe3ac> jaja
[12:49] <ProfessorChunk> Prob wanna check out #ubuntu-discuss for that kinda subjective stuff
[12:50] <ProfessorChip> Hey all!
[12:51] <ProfessorChunk> Wow your name is similar to mine
[12:51] <ProfessorChip> Oh my haha!
[12:51] <ProfessorChunk> waveform: Okay so changing the reg seems to have worked for 5g but I am not sure how to test which one I am on.
[12:51] <ProfessorChip> Oh my, haha!
[12:51] <ProfessorChunk> Then I will try a restart
[12:51] <rickoes> fdsjakfla;jfsa
[12:51] <rickoes> hewwo
[12:51] <ProfessorChip> fdsjakfla;jfsa?
[12:52] <ProfessorChip> uWu
[12:52] <rickoes> hi professor
[12:52] <ProfessorChip> Hello.
[12:52] <rickoes> can i have an A please
[12:52] <ProfessorChip> A
[12:52] <rickoes> much appreciated
[12:52] <ProfessorChunk> Isnt there something in net-tools to display which ssid you are connected to? ifconfig doesnt show
[12:52] <ProfessorChunk> I can check my routers DHCP table but thats a headache
[12:53] <ProfessorChunk> iwgetid I think?
[12:53] <ProfessorChip> Hello 2204
[12:53] <waveform> ProfessorChunk, sorry -- bouncing between things; after "sudo iw reg set US" just "sudo netplan apply" should be all that's required. On determining which channel you're on .. erm ... there's *something* under "iw" but I can remember what it is -- I'll have a quick look
[12:53] <rickoes> yall doing too much
[12:53] <ProfessorChip> uWu
[12:53] <ProfessorChip> fr
[12:54] <rickoes> whatd you get for number 2?
[12:54] <rickoes> i got C
[12:54] <ProfessorChip> J
[12:54] <rickoes> darn
[12:54] <ProfessorChip> im not sure if thats right
[12:54] <rickoes> that sounds right
[12:54] <ProfessorChunk> No prob I found it, it was iwgetid
[12:54] <ProfessorChip> ohh i knew it
[12:55] <ProfessorChunk> waveform: Okay can confirm on my 5ghz network, going to restart and see if it persists.
[12:55] <ProfessorChip> Chunk: why are you chunk?
[12:56] <rickoes> thats a bit rude sure
[12:56] <Thomas25> glithy audio, sounds like buffer underrun
[12:56] <rickoes> sir**
[12:56] <ProfessorChip> And what are you a professor of?
[12:56] <Thomas25> any idea?
[12:56] <ProfessorChip> not sure - never had that before
[12:56] <ProfessorChunk> Trying to stay on topic sorry, Id gladly discuss it in offtopic
[12:56] <ProfessorChip> kk lets go there
[12:56] <waveform> ProfessorChunk, if it doesn't you may need to set it in "/etc/default/crda"
[12:57] <ProfessorChunk> waveform: Yes I remember just wanted to get you a solid answer since you had heard conflicting info.
[12:57] <ProfessorChip> Having a problem with firefox - it keeps asking to be default brower. I wanna keep IE
[12:57] <ProfessorChunk> It did not persist for me, so will change that now and finally go headless. Yay.
[12:57] <ProfessorChip> ima leave yall cant help me :(
[12:58] <ProfessorChunk> Oh I am guessing SSHd is not enabled by default though so I will prob need to configure it.
[13:00] <waveform> ProfessorChunk, it should be enabled by default on the server installations -- I can't recall if password auth is permitted by default though
[13:00] <ProfessorChunk> I will try for sure before I go headless
[13:01] <ProfessorChunk> Sweet that crda change worked, ty waveform
[13:02] <ProfessorChunk> Oh wait I need to set a static LAN IP
[13:02] <ProfessorChunk> that is back to that cloud file again isnt it
[13:03] <ProfessorChunk> Maybe I will just be lazy and do a DHCP reservation in my router
[13:03] <ProfessorChunk> Seems easier
[13:05] <ProfessorChunk> Oh god and it makes you use CIDR notation for the IP no TY. I do not remember all that
[13:06] <ogra_> ProfessorChunk, see https://netplan.io/
[13:06] <ogra_> there are examples for static setups of the netplan yaml
[13:07] <Intelo> How can I get sourcecode of this? https://snapcraft.io/lunacy
[13:08] <ProfessorChunk> Yeah I did find examples but they use CIDR notation
[13:09] <ProfessorChunk> I am just gunna do a DHCP reservation
[13:10] <ogra_> Intelo, click the contact link in that page and ask for it ...
[13:10] <ogra_> Intelo, it is proprietary software so they probably will declient though ...
[13:13] <ProfessorChunk> I see no downside to using a DHCP reservation  (MAC binding) instead of a static config on the client side. Unless I am missing something.
[13:17] <ProfessorChunk> Awesome I am all setup headless thx waveform
[13:17] <ProfessorChunk> And everyone else
[13:18] <ProfessorChunk> ill be back through the pi in a bit.
[13:25] <Intelo> ogra_ by the way, if a package has .deb file or snap file available, most probably, it will have the source code in it as decompiled form?
[13:28] <ogra_> Intelo, no, deb and snap usually ship binaries, not sources
[13:29] <Intelo> I see
[13:29] <ogra_> deb packages in the ubuntu archive have to be built from a source package though ...
[13:29] <Intelo> ogra_ so if something is in apt repo. Then it means it's source code is reachable?
[13:30] <ogra_> yes, if it is in the official repo
[13:30] <Intelo> I am looking for a tool like lunacy (prototyping like figma)
[13:30] <Intelo> lunacy was best if opensource
[13:31] <Intelo> but looks like it is not ogra_
[13:32] <ogra_> any reason why you hard-require opensource ? are there legal issues for you to use something closed ?
[13:51] <Intelo> ogra_ just a fan of opensource. it gets more certain they will not cheat
[13:53] <ogra_> thats definitely true ... but lunacy seems to do some AI stuff and i guess they want to protect their algorithms
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:04] <PowaBanga_> hi everybody
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> welcome PowaBanga_
[14:12] <maret> Hi I have a 3rd party servis running at port 3000 at my ubuntu server and it's getting called by another locally running service. What's easiest way how to find out how often is api running at port 3000 called?
[14:15] <maret> there are few tools for network analysis, but not sure which is the one for my case or I could run nginx as proxy and use its built in tools
[14:25] <weedmic> cheers - i am a little confu8sed when I do "which libportaudio2" i get back nothing, yet when I installed it I got "libportaudio2 is already installed at the requested version (19+svn20140130-1build1)".  why does it not tell me where it is?
[14:26] <ogra_> weedmic, "which" only finds executable binaries ... libraries are usually not executable
[14:27] <ogra_> weedmic, if you know a package is installed and want to know where its contents went, you can use dpkg -L
[14:27] <ogra_> like: dpkg -L libportaudio2
[14:27] <leftyfb> weedmic: why do you care about the location of the library file? Do you have a support issue you'd like help with?
[14:36] <weedmic> i can live with the libraries v x binaries - ty
[14:37] <weedmic> no issues, i think that ubuntu is very well made and am very happy (generally).
[14:38] <Rexodus> Is there aN offtopic channel of this #ubuntu?
[14:38] <leftyfb> !offtopic | Rexodus
[14:38] <ogra_> there are #ubuntu-discuss for non support discussions around ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic for completely offtopic stuff
[14:39] <Rexodus> Thanks :)
[15:41] <renan> ola
[15:42] <renan> hello
[15:42] <tomreyn> hi renan, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:48] <Kuleshov> https://dchub.one/temp/Windows/11/1.png Windows 11 install RU
[15:49] <tomreyn> !ot | Kuleshov
[15:51] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: you've been told before. Please stop posting your website here. This is an Ubuntu support channel
[15:51] <Kuleshov> shit :-(
[15:51] <Kuleshov> sorry
[15:52] <tomreyn> Kuleshov: and while you're at it, watch the language, too
[15:55] <Kuleshov> sheet ? :-(
[15:56] <ioria> Kuleshov,  also consider that a lot of apps depends on TPM activated
[16:25] <ash_worksi> why might `which` fail to list a program in /usr/sbin ? (specifically update-ca-certificates)?
[16:29] <tomreyn> because you're not running ubuntu
[16:46] <mortenaho> hi
[16:50] <bbju> Guys. Where can I find info on RISC-V Ubuntu packages?
[16:55] <tomreyn> bbju: what kind of info?
[16:55] <bbju> tomreyn: like which packages are built successfully for RISC-V and which packages need fixing
[16:57] <ogra_> probably a question for #ubuntu-devel
[16:58] <ctrlbreak> Heyo.  I'm at my wits end here... and I come grovelling for hopefully some assistance from a guru :-(
[16:58] <tomreyn> launchpad probably. if you just want to see which packages and versions are available for a given release, look at the mirrors, such as http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/focal/main/binary-riscv64/Packages.xz
[16:58] <tomreyn> bbju: ^
[16:59] <leftyfb> !ask | ctrlbreak
[17:00] <ctrlbreak> I recently decided to bump a remote personal server of mine (Supermicro X10 based) from 18.04 to 20.04, and while I've been able to address practically all issues (RAID drivers, etc...) on a 2nd boot post upgrade, the onboard dual Gig Eth has stopped working (I350 based).
[17:00] <ogra_> ... and you did not accidentially turn it off in the bios i guess ?
[17:01] <leftyfb> ctrlbreak: sudo apt install linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04
[17:01] <leftyfb> ogra_: my initial guess is they're running a kernel that didn't pull in the headers for what ever reason. The hwe meta package should keep that under control
[17:02] <ctrlbreak> Nope. No changes in the BIOS (at least not intentionally).  It loads the igb module and detects both adapters (eno0/1), but they show as DOWN, and other info from Ethtool doesn't appear to show up properly
[17:02] <mybalzitch> ctrlbreak: running ethtool as root?
[17:03] <ogra_> leftyfb, yeah. indeed ... though i'd expect the toplevel meta to be there
[17:03] <ctrlbreak> leftyfb : thanks for the pointer, however, as you might imagine, I don't actually have any network connectivity to the server at the moment.  I only have access via THE IPMI :-S
[17:03] <leftyfb> ctrlbreak: try booting to a live cd/usb
[17:04] <ctrlbreak> mybalzitch :  yes.  Running as root.  I'll grab the output and throw on... pastebin?  That still what people use?
[17:06] <mybalzitch> or termbin
[17:07] <ctrlbreak> turns out I can't seem to copypasta from this virtual console... perhaps this: https://imgur.com/a/4bf49aV
[17:08] <ctrlbreak> FWIW - The cables haven't been unplugged, as no one has physically been in the room where this is, and all was functional until post upgrade reboot.
[17:09] <ctrlbreak> leftyfb : what live cd/usb do you recommend?  This site has very limited bandwidth, so I'd like to choose as wisely as possible? :-/
[17:09] <mybalzitch> sudo ifconfig eno1 up
[17:10] <ogra_> mybalzitch, ifconfig is long dead 🙂 use ip ...
[17:11] <mybalzitch> just like netplan.io is a viable replacement for ifupdown
[17:12] <ogra_> well, it isnt installed anymore by default
[17:12] <ctrlbreak> omg.  I'm such a bonehead.  They've simply lost their previous config and don't come up by default.
[17:13] <ctrlbreak> the unknowns/no link detected from ethtool were making me think there was something actually wrong.
[17:13] <ctrlbreak> bringing the adapter up with ifconfig eno1 up.... did in fact change its phy state and ethtool properly reports speed and duplex.
[17:14] <ctrlbreak> ip addr add "CIDR" dev eno1
[17:14] <ctrlbreak> and I can ping it.
[17:14] <ctrlbreak> WITAF.
[17:14] <ogra_> ctrlbreak, https://netplan.io/ ... happy configuring then ...
[17:15] <ctrlbreak> Just curious, what's the 'ip' command equiv. to 'ifconfig up' for future reference.
[17:15] <ctrlbreak> I *hate* NETPLAN with its soup nazi yaml indentation rules... ermageerrrd
[17:15] <ogra_> ip link set dev ethX up
[17:15] <ogra_> (and down)
[17:15] <leftyfb> sudo
[17:15] <ogra_> yeah
[17:16] <ctrlbreak> I've found the old configs in /network/interfaces.... appears just the devices have been renamed.  Can I, forego netplan I wonder?
[17:17] <Kuleshov> https://dchub.one/temp/Windows/11/Win11_Russian_x64v1.iso Windows 11 RUS x64 Лицензия
[17:17] <Kuleshov> ой
[17:17] <Kuleshov> soory
[17:17] <Kuleshov> mistake
[17:17] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: do you run ubuntu?
[17:17] <ogra_> i wouldnt ... ifupdown is dead and buried ...
[17:17] <Kuleshov> yes
[17:17] <ogra_> netplan is the presence and future wince 2018
[17:17] <Kuleshov> Kubuntu
[17:17] <ogra_> *since
[17:18] <Kuleshov> Xubuntu
[17:18] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: stop spamming in here
[17:18] <Kuleshov> soorry!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:18] <Kuleshov> :(
[17:18] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: a good rule of thumb would be, stop spamming period
[17:19] <ctrlbreak> I was being too harsh earlier.  I do actually like Netplan once configured properly.  Guess I'm just stubborn.  I have a netplan config doing a bonded quad-gig link on one of my other boxes, and that was way easier than I figured it would be.
[17:20] <ogra_> yaml takes its time to get used to, i hated it too in the beginnng ...
[17:20] <ogra_> (ike i prefer shell over python and its indendation stuff 🙂 )
[17:20] <ogra_> *like
[17:22] <ogra_> but hand-editing json or xml is worse 🙂
[17:22] <ctrlbreak> MAN... if I didn't have BMI/IPMI and virtual console on my hardware these days, I'd be screwed.  Never looking back.
[17:23] <ctrlbreak> Hehe. SINGLE LINE XML or JSON.  *barf*
[17:27] <horribleprogram> E: Package 'geda-gschem' has no installation candidate
[17:27] <horribleprogram>  
[17:27] <horribleprogram> Package geda-gschem is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[17:28] <tomreyn> !paste | horribleprogram
[17:28] <tomreyn> also, do you have an ubuntu support question?
[17:29] <leftyfb> horribleprogram: https://askubuntu.com/a/1291553/1151311
[17:40] <ivan80> Hello, can somebody tell me, why I constantly got in systemlog, many of these similar lines:
[17:40] <ivan80> [ 9108.750593] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s0 OUT= MAC=f0:42:1c:d8:5d:6f:10:3d:0a:b0:1d:5e:08:00 SRC=192.168.10.41 DST=192.168.10.184 LEN=366 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=60248 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=1900 DPT=35170 LEN=346
[17:40] <ivan80> [ 9176.854930] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlp3s0 OUT= MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:fb:7c:d6:61:35:43:17:08:00 SRC=192.168.10.179 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=32 TOS=0x00 PREC=0xC0 TTL=1 ID=0 DF PROTO=2
[17:40] <ivan80> one IP - is smartphone, another one is TV...
[17:40] <leftyfb> !paste | ivan80
[17:41] <leftyfb> ivan80: looks like UDP and broadcast traffic being blocked by your firewall rules
[17:42] <leftyfb> ivan80: try #linux or #security
[17:42] <leftyfb> or #networking
[17:44] <ivan80> I am interesting in why smartphone redmi note or TV somehow blocked by PC, or trying to connect to my PC... :)
[17:44] <leftyfb> ivan80: see the above channels. This isn't an ubuntu support question
[17:48] <horribleprogram> ivan80: ur firewall is blocking it
[17:49] <horribleprogram> ivan80: so what's the "troubleshooting steps here?" check why ufw is blocking it
[17:49] <ivan80> About exFat FS:
[17:49] <ivan80> Greg Kroah-Hartman, who maintains the Linux -stable branch, defended the decision to take the code into staging, despite its current condition, writing: “I know the code is horrible, but I will gladly take horrible code into staging. If it bothers you, just please ignore it.”
[17:50] <ogra_> !offtopic | ivan80
[17:51] <horribleprogram> yeah well any Linux kernel dev can 1v1 me in anything programming challenge, anytime, anyday
[17:52] <leftyfb> horribleprogram: and yet you can't google for "ubuntu geda-gschem" and find the first result I gave you explaining the package was removed from Debian for not being maintained
[17:52] <horribleprogram> Linus Torvalds has me blocked on GitHub he thinks he's better than me
[17:52] <horribleprogram> leftyfb: lol
[17:53] <horribleprogram> leftyfb: often the best C++ gurus like me lack basic critical thinking skills
[17:58] <horribleprogram> mmap = (void *(*)(void *, size_t, int, int, int, off64_t))dlsym (RTLD_NEXT, "mmap64");
[17:59] <leftyfb> !ot | horribleprogram
[18:00] <horribleprogram> just saying.... why are there these "inline hardcoded type casts"
[19:00] <amazoniantoad> I am trying to get the steam game client to run on ubuntu but it doesn't seem to work. I execute it from terminal and all I get is "verification complete" and then it just silently crashes
[19:00] <amazoniantoad> Does anyone know of any workarounds?
[19:02] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: you should discuss how you're installing, on which ubuntu release
[19:03] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: thanks. I installed steam through apt-get (I think) and I'm on ubuntu 20.0.4.2 LTS
[19:04] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: so you now have package "steam" installed as per    apt list --installed steam*
[19:04] <tomreyn> and no others listed?
[19:05] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: Let me check
[19:06] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/80k1
[19:08] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: see bug 1928723
[19:09] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: So I should remove steam until the bug is resolved?
[19:10] <tomreyn> i'm not sure what to do. it looks like it's a more common bug, i've seen previous reports about it here
[19:10] <tomreyn> i'll try installing it on a vm in a bit
[19:10] <amazoniantoad> Thanks
[19:10] <tomreyn> you could subscribe to the bug report. but then, it's not really been handled since may
[19:20] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: so it does seem to install fine on a fresh install here. but certainly the installation process involves a lot of black magic.
[19:20] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: maybe if you move ~/.steam/debian-installation out of the way and run it again, that may help.
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> tomreyn: I'm going to just rely on crossover pro until something native (and stable) can be developed
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> Thanks though
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> See yah
[19:21] <amazoniantoad> thanks for the advice
[19:21] <tomreyn> amazoniantoad: i was using the 'native' steam package from ubuntu
[19:36] <Guest377> how to restore sound
[19:39] <tomreyn> Guest377: do you have any idea how it may have been lost? which ubuntu version are you running ( run in terminal: lsb_release -ds )
[19:42] <ken_> ok
[19:43] <ken_> no sound
[19:44] <oerheks> a harmless fix; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* # and sound settings are back to standard
[19:47] <tomreyn> ken__: looks like audio is not your only issue?
[19:47] <sarnold> ken__: < oerheks> a harmless fix; killall pulseaudio; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* # and sound settings are back to standard
[19:47] <sarnold> heh
[19:49] <ken__> ok
[19:51] <oerheks> sarnold, pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload might not be enough, i found out
[19:52] <sarnold> :(
[19:54] <Thomas25> i beat one problem after another but this silly thing i couldnt..
[19:54] <Thomas25> igpu doesn't want to drive my display at proper refresh rate
[19:54] <Thomas25> it does 4k@30Hz but it supports (and works at) 4k@60Hz
[19:56] <sarnold> Thomas25: it might be your cable, if you're using a dock, it might be that, too
[19:57] <Thomas25> i've tried switching cables
[19:57] <Thomas25> this cable works for sure
[19:57] <ogra_> also, have yu seen it do hat under linux ?
[19:57] <Thomas25> no
[19:57] <ogra_> and are you sure your monitor provides the corect EDID data to it ?
[19:57] <Thomas25> i don't think so, edid does not list that mode
[19:58] <Thomas25> but it's the native resolution of this monitor
[19:58] <Thomas25> hmm actually three's that mode under somewhere
[19:59] <Thomas25> https://termbin.com/rvrs
[20:00] <Thomas25> it is listed in the extended tag
[20:06] <ogra_> Thomas25, could that help ? https://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~klada/?site=projects&id=intelhd4k
[20:13] <Thomas25> thanks but doesn't that tells that it can do upto 25Hz?
[20:16] <ogra_> oh, right ... i didnt notice
[21:10] <ash_worksi> how can I install a specific version of curl?
[21:13] <oerheks> apt-cache madison package # to see what is available; apt-get install package=version -V
[21:13] <oerheks> you will need to install madison first, IIRC
[21:16] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/curl gives 7.80.0 only
[21:47] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: What are you looking for?
[22:08] <mateusz> ubuntu vs linuxmint?
[22:09] <oerheks> only ubuntu is supported here, mateusz
[22:09] <oerheks> so, no polls please
[22:39] <thisguycalledk> Hello, I'm hoping somebody can point me in the right direction. I have a USB barcode scanner, and I'm trying to set it up so that it only reads into one specific program, whether said program is in focus or not. My first thought was to do it with user groups, but if that's possible I'm having trouble finding how I'd go about doing it.
[22:40] <thisguycalledk> Does anyone have suggestions/resources?
[22:44] <jhutchins> thisguycalledk: The only way I've seen a USB device "captured" is when using it for a VM.  Some Hypervisors will grant the VM exclusive access to the device.
[22:46] <thisguycalledk> That was the ideal scenario but the cpu in question doesn't support virtualization. I'm hoping there's an alternative
[22:56] <jhutchins> thisguycalledk: On the theoretical level, if the program can open the device with a read-lock - open it for writing - that might work,  Practically I have no idea how to enforce that.
[23:00] <thisguycalledk> Seems like there might be a solution to be found inudev rules, I'll just have to see what I can do from there
[23:01] <ProfessorChunk> Anyone here ever use Ubuntu server with a RasPi for a lil home NAS?
[23:05] <leftyfb> ProfessorChunk: sorry, we do not participate in surveys here
[23:08] <ProfessorChunk> Oh wasnt a survery, thx for your concern though.
[23:51] <dob1> it is normal that firefox it's not disabling dpms while playing youtube video?  I noticed it now that I am using the snap version,  I am (almost) sure that before the upgrade from the deb one it worked
[23:59] <ramblebamble> dob1 what is dpms?
[23:59] <dob1> ramblebamble, switch off of the monitor for power saving