[00:00] <dob1> in pratice you are watching a youtube video and the screen goes black
[00:00] <ramblebamble> dob1, I am not sure, but I would assume that that is a feature of the WM/DM and not the application itself?
[00:01] <ramblebamble> Like application foobar is allowed to prevent screen from locking or some such configuratoin
[00:01] <ramblebamble> new way firefox is installed --> new application for the WM/DM??
[00:02] <dob1> ramblebamble, imho it's firefox that has to disable dpms
[00:04] <ramblebamble> yes, I am not arguing that, I am just saying that the DM/WM might have to be told that there is a 'new'(read application at a different location) that wants to disable it, so please listen to it, it has my blessing
[00:06] <dob1> ramblebamble, not sure how to do this
[00:06] <ramblebamble> what WM/DM are you using?
[00:07] <dob1> i3
[00:07] <ramblebamble> uff... never used  but let me check my googlefu
[00:07] <dob1> there is something here, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1398539  but it's like 4 years ago
[00:10] <dob1> the fact that I am not sure if the behaviour was the same with the deb version or not
[00:10] <ramblebamble> can't you role back and check?
[00:11] <dob1> not now, I am going to do it if I don't find any solution
[00:11] <ramblebamble> but it appears that you are right, it might be a FF issue https://github.com/dglava/firefox-dpms
[00:11] <dob1> I read this too searching around
[00:12] <ramblebamble> question what else did change when you updated FF?
[00:12] <ramblebamble> are you using X still?
[00:12] <dob1> yes, xorg
[00:12] <ramblebamble> k
[00:13] <dob1> ramblebamble, it was automatic, I didn't mean to change it. I update it yesterday to 21.10 and it was done by the system upgrade
[00:13] <ramblebamble> k
[00:13] <ramblebamble> then, can you still disable it using xset +dpms and xset -dpms?
[00:14] <ramblebamble> because if you cannot do that something else changed in your system
[00:14] <dob1> ramblebamble, well yes but ... no :)
[00:14] <ramblebamble> ??
[00:14] <ramblebamble> I don't suggest you do that all the time, I am just asking for information so that we may get to the bottom of this
[00:14] <dob1> it becomes a bad user experience if I have every time I am going to watch a video to disable dpms
[00:15] <ramblebamble> so if you can do this, it is either i3 or most likely FF, if you cannot do that than FF cannot do it either, and we have to look elsewhere
[00:15] <ramblebamble> s/then/than
[00:16] <dob1> to be honest I don't know how an application, firefox, vlc whatever, communicate to suspend dpms while watching a video
[00:16] <dob1> I will try the debian one for sure
[00:16] <ramblebamble> cli command the one's I wrote you the python application firefox-dpms I liked to and you read, works like that
[00:17] <dob1> I have to test it
[00:19] <ramblebamble> btw what does `xset q` give you in the terminal?
[00:20] <dob1> ramblebamble, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/53dd2269/
[00:20] <ramblebamble> k
[00:21] <ramblebamble> and now after `xset -dpms` DPMS should display as off, if that is not the case the fault is most likely not with FF
[00:22] <ramblebamble> you can turn it back on with `xset +dpms`
[00:22] <dob1> now I am watching a video I suppose it has to be to ff
[00:22] <dob1> *off
[00:23] <ramblebamble> I would assume so, BUT, I have dpms off, never heard of it before today and my screen gets locked anyways, because of KDE
[00:23] <dob1> you are using kde screensaver I presume
[00:23] <dob1> it is doing it for you
[00:23] <ramblebamble> not the screensaver the entire WM
[00:23] <ramblebamble> sorry DM
[00:24] <dob1> the applications should tell the wm/dm to disable the energy saver/screensaver while watching a video
[00:25] <dob1> because the point is "watching a video", the screensaver/dpms should be active if you are just viewing a page
[00:25] <mateusz> #mate
[00:33] <ramblebamble> dob1 sorry I couldn't help
[01:02] <ShookDog> 1st time caller 1st time listener... Dual boot system setup with Windows 10 (Ubuntu 20.04). Both updated to current. Everytime I login to Windows 10 and when done, when I return to Ubuntu, I get the BusyBox v1.30.1 initramfs issue where I have to fsck /dev/sda1... It fixes the problem. I rarely ever use Windows but when I do, the error comes back again and have to fsck the partition and then all is well in the world.
[01:02] <ShookDog> As mentioned rarely use Windows and shutting down computer, logging back into Ubuntu, no problems. It's only when I log into Windows 10 and then logging into Ubuntu I have to fsck the partition. Any help would be great.
[01:03] <sarnold> hey ShookDog, welcome :) hang around a bit, hopefully someone will have a suggestion
[01:03] <sarnold> I haven't done dual boot in ages, and I don't recall seeing this come up often
[01:04] <ShookDog> Thanks, will do.
[01:05] <jhutchins> ShookDog: Do you access or mount the Linux filesystem(s) in Windows?
[01:05] <ShookDog> I do not.
[01:05] <ShookDog> Both are in there own partition
[01:06] <orange1> i wonder if turning off fast boot on windows would help
[01:06] <orange1> but not sure
[01:06] <jhutchins> orange1: Good idea whether it's related or not.
[01:06] <jhutchins> Both fastboot and secureboot.
[01:06] <ShookDog> It's off. Thinkpad T14 AMD 4750 32GB
[01:07] <jhutchins> ShookDog: Do you tend to shut down completely before booting to the other OS?
[01:07] <Aarch64debian> hello is ubuntu server + xfce working well on raspi 4?
[01:08] <ShookDog> I do, as a matter of fact.
[01:24] <ShookDog> ahhh! one is in BIOS & other I havent seen that setting but will check and give heads up.
[01:27] <sarnold> Aarch64debian: I think it ought to work, it's mentioned with happy sounds on both focal and impish release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes#Raspberry_Pi https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/impish-indri-release-notes/21951  (I can't figure out how to anchor the link to the "Raspberry Pi" section)
[01:40] <ShookDog> 2st time caller... Yep, Secure Boot off in Bios and Fast Boot, I don't believe Lenovo thought it important for thier T14 laptops cuz that setting (Fast boot) not showing up where it's supposed to be. And to get back here, I had to fsck the /dev/sda1 partition.
[01:42] <coon> i have a printer problem when someone gets time... thank you
[01:44] <sarnold> ShookDog: I think fastboot is a windows setting, not a bios setting
[01:44] <sarnold> coon: probably best to just say any error messages or log entries you've got..
[01:45] <coon> my printer says ready to use but when i send something to the printer spool nothing happens
[01:45] <ShookDog> Its supposed to be in the Power setting... where you allow whats normally not available. Fastboot is not one of the options. Just Hibernate and Sleep. No Fastboot.
[01:47] <ShookDog> within windows that is.
[01:48] <sarnold> dang :(
[01:48] <sarnold> coon: I use my printer once or twice a year, and I *always* have to reboot my printer to make it work
[01:48] <sarnold> coon: it's annoying but it was free :) so I've never put much effort into it
[01:48] <coon> i have and still nothing
[01:49] <sarnold> ;(
[01:49] <rfm> ShookDog, I found https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001762.htm which shows how to disable it from the command prompt
[01:49] <coon> this is a new install of ubuntu also
[01:51] <ShookDog> rmf thanks for the link. 20.04 from fresh install. This is something that just started not too long ago. 1-2mos maybe. After updating, upgrading Windows 10. I suspected some foul play at hand but, what do I know. Ubuntu has Magic that pops outta nowhere time and again.
[01:53] <ShookDog> rfm isn't that the hibernate?
[01:54] <rfm> ShookDog, yes, as I understand it "fast startup" is basically "when I say 'shut down' do
[01:54] <rfm> hibernate instead..
[01:56] <ShookDog> I use that command to make a smaller footprint prior to making my CloneZilla backups.
[03:15] <bobdobbs> noob question, but: how do I take a screenshot?
[03:15] <sarnold> try the printscreen key on your keyboard; depending upon your desktop environment or window manager it might already be hooked up
[03:16] <orange1> Print screen keyboard button
[03:16] <bobdobbs> sarnold: that worked for me on this OS a few months ago. But it no longer works
[03:16] <sarnold> :(
[03:16] <bobdobbs> ctrl+PrtSc doesn't work either
[03:16] <bobdobbs> oh, I have a new keyboard. Might sound odd, but maybe that's why it doesn't work any more
[03:18] <sarnold> it's possible, yeah
[03:18] <sarnold> sometimes they do 'clever things' like put multimedia functinos on 'useless' keys, and require to hold down an fn key to get the original meaning
[03:18] <oerheks> https://www.wikihow.com/Change-Keyboard-Layout-in-Ubuntu
[03:19] <oerheks> it does not get autodetected
[03:19] <orange1> open the screenshot app in app menu
[03:20] <bobdobbs> orange1: I can't find a screenshot app. Although apt search tells me that KDE has one. I'll install and test that.
[03:21] <oerheks> sure gnome has got one, in the menu
[03:21] <sarnold> what release are you on? 20.04 at least has a gnome-screenshot package
[03:22] <bobdobbs> yep, 20.04
[03:22] <bobdobbs> I didn't put that '-' in when I searched. I'll try that
[03:23] <bobdobbs> no,
[03:23] <orange1> probably any screenshot app will work
[03:23] <bobdobbs> "gnome-screenshot" isn't onboard either
[03:23] <sarnold> yeah, but one of them may drag in a few hundred megs of dependencies, another one might not
[03:23] <orange1> yeah lol
[03:23] <oerheks> type 'screen'...
[03:24] <oerheks> or better, select the right keyboardlayout
[03:25] <bobdobbs> oerheks: I'm looking at the keyboard layout settings now... just trying to get my head around this part of the settings conf
[03:27] <bobdobbs> oerheks: if I type 'screen' in the Application Launcher, I don't get a completion that looks anything like gnome-screenshot
[03:28] <bobdobbs> although apt-get tells me that I have gnome-screenshot installed
[03:29] <JackFrost> screen is a very useful terminal multiplexer, so if installed that'll show up and likely launch a terminal.
[03:30] <oerheks> yes, next to screenshot
[03:30] <oerheks> lolz
[03:32] <bobdobbs> k, if I run 'gnome-screenshot' from the commandline, I get a screenshot!
[03:32] <bobdobbs> that's good!
[03:32] <bobdobbs> now... how do cajole it to respond to the printscreen button?
[03:32] <bobdobbs> Do I growl at it menacingly?
[03:32] <bobdobbs> Offer it a kitkat and tea?
[03:33] <bobdobbs> a backrub perhaps?
[03:33] <bobdobbs> pretty much any one of those would work for me
[03:33] <oerheks> again; select the right keyboardlayout
[03:33] <orange1> make a custom keyboard cmd to launch it
[03:33]  * oerheks stops feeding trolls
[03:34] <bobdobbs> oerheks: dude  I'm not trolling. I've got the keyboard settings open. I'm still trying to make sense of the UI, that's all.
[03:37] <sarnold> do you still have your old keyboard? maybe hook it up and poke the button and see what happens
[03:38] <bobdobbs> oerheks: ok, if I select existing keyboard layout, a window  pops with showing an image of a keyboard. It looks exactly like my existing physical keyboard, as far as I can tell. Including teh position of the 'prtsc' button
[03:38] <bobdobbs> sarnold: I'm afraid that keyboard is no more
[03:38] <sarnold> it is a late keyboard? :(
[03:40] <bobdobbs> sarnold: yeup
[03:44] <bobdobbs> orange1: I'm trying your idea. Google tells me that there's a way to map keys to commands from 'settings' > 'keyboard'. But I can't see that. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore?
[03:49] <orange1> idk then sorry
[03:51] <sarnold> I wonder what else might be wonky with your setup.. loads of things don't seem to be working as expected.
[03:51] <jhutchins> !xev
[03:51] <jhutchins> Stupid bot.
[03:51] <oerheks> !info xev
[03:52] <oerheks> !find xev
[03:52] <jhutchins> x11-utils
[03:53] <jhutchins> !info x11-utils
[03:54] <jhutchins> There is a utility, I think it may be xev, that will display the scan code produced by a key.  That code can then be mapped/re-mapped to a function.
[03:54] <sarnold> it's not super friendly but it probably will work
[03:55] <bobdobbs> I'm gonna download this and see if it helps: https://github.com/sezanzeb/key-mapper
[03:56] <bobdobbs> darn it. It won't install. package conflict
[04:04] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: First lesson in downloading from github.
[04:05] <jhutchins> If it's a basic system thing that many people would use within the Ubuntu system, try to find the Ubuntu package before you start grabbing wild code.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: this tool isn't in the standard repos. Or any repos for ubuntu as far as I could tell
[04:06] <jhutchins> At least you didn't do `make install` and create a monster.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> heh. I haven't done that for years
[04:06] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Then maybe it's not something a basic user should be trying to use.
[04:06] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: indeed
[04:07] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: I'm now looking at a utility called 'xmodmap'. Looks like it's installed by default.
[04:14] <bobdobbs> hm... I don't think xmodmap will work either. I need to give it the keycode of the prtsc button. But if my current keymapping isn't working, then that keycode probably isn't linked to that button anyway
[04:14] <jhutchins> bobdobbs: Yeah, that's more likely the one I'm thinking of.
[04:15] <jhutchins> It'll show you what code is generated.
[04:15] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: all good. I found the keycode
[04:16] <jhutchins> Which is often captured by a screenshot utility.
[04:16] <bobdobbs> jhutchins: there's a tool called 'xev' that will show you the keycode of a button that you press.
[04:16] <jhutchins> xx:51
[04:18] <jhutchins> Ah, xmodmap is display and modify the map.
[04:19] <jhutchins> yeah, xev is what I was thinking of, displays a window and returns event texts.
[04:19] <jhutchins> ood luck, I'm outa here.
[04:19] <sarnold> and then you'll need to hook up the keypress to run a command or something
[04:19] <sarnold> I don't know what the best way to do that is, perhaps your desktop environment already has one of those
[04:20] <sarnold> (I use i3wm, which handles that sort of thing)
[04:38] <Sven_vB> bobdobbs, what desktop environment do you use?
[04:39] <Sven_vB> some have a function to map keys to a command
[04:39] <bobdobbs> Sven_vB: I'm using the default desktop environment that comes with ubuntu 20.04. I think it's called gnome?
[04:39] <Sven_vB> bobdobbs, I see. yeah gnome can definitely do it.
[04:41] <Sven_vB> I usually just run "scrot" with the delay option from command line.
[04:43] <Sven_vB> in cases where I need keyboard watching temporarily, and thus want to avoid my xfce's global hotkeys, I usually use something like "xinput test 15 | sed -nurf transform.sed | sh". not sure if sed is to your taste.
[05:11] <pi0> i installed an application in my /opt directory, i then created a .desktop to launch it from my menu, the application needs to recognize my .bashrc
[05:11] <pi0> but it does not, is that because it is launched from within /opt?
[05:23] <CarlFK> It's because you're not running bash.  Your desktop launch file needs to run bash application
[06:33] <haylion> ff
[06:33] <haylion> hello
[06:40] <coon> i need help getting my printer to work it says its ready to use but when i send something to the printer to print nothing happens
[06:50] <pi0> CarlFK: how do i run it bash?
[06:54] <TheDrode> good morning
[06:55] <TheDrode> Please, i am trying to disable policykit password prompt
[06:55] <TheDrode> but it won't go away
[06:59] <coon> i need help getting my printer to work it says its ready to use but when i send something to the printer to print nothing happens
[07:00] <TheDrode> how did you install it coon
[07:01] <coon> i plugged it in
[07:01] <coon> then i tried to download drivers from canon and that dont work either
[07:03] <TheDrode> is it against the rules to ask you for teamviewer access so i can help you?
[07:04] <coon> i dont know and i dont know what that is or where it would be at lol
[07:05] <TheDrode> coon: it's a remote desktop solution, it's secure, the password changes
[07:05] <TheDrode> i am about to go to bed but i can take 10 to help you
[07:05] <TheDrode> if you want
[07:05] <TheDrode> did you check the printers
[07:05] <TheDrode> dialog?
[07:05] <coon> ok
[07:05] <coon> no how lol
[07:05] <TheDrode> www.teamviewer.com
[07:08] <coon> working on it bro
[07:11] <coon> it said failed to install
[08:00] <ducasse> coon: open a browser at localhost:631 and check your settings, try to print a test page
[10:28] <krzydv> I have a mysql FROZEN file on Ubuntu 18.04. I think my system is trying to update to mariadb. What should I do?
[10:29] <lotuspsychje> !uptodate | krzydv check to see
[10:29] <krzydv> I have done that.
[10:29] <krzydv> Preparing to unpack .../17-mysql-server-5.7_5.7.36-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_amd64.deb ...
[10:30] <krzydv> Warning: /etc/mysql/FROZEN already exists
[10:30] <krzydv> Downgrade from (at least) 10.1 to 5.7 is not possible.
[10:30] <krzydv> So, maybe mariadb is already installed?
[10:31] <lotuspsychje> krzydv: did you install external ppa's of any kind?
[10:31] <krzydv> Yes, I installed my system on an LXC container using OMD here. https://labs.consol.de/repo/stable/#_ubuntu_bionic_beaver_18_04
[10:34] <krzydv> The #thruk channel which helps with OMD told me to ask about my issue here.
[10:36] <KBar> krzydv: `dpkg -l | grep 'mariadb'`
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-client-10.1                  1:10.1.48-0ubuntu0.18.04.1                 amd64        MariaDB database client binaries
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-common                       1:10.1.48-0ubuntu0.18.04.1                 all          MariaDB common metapackage
[10:37] <krzydv> rc  mariadb-server-10.1                  1:10.1.48-0ubuntu0.18.04.1                 amd64        MariaDB database server binaries
[10:37] <KBar> krzydv: `rc`denotes "to remove" and "config files".
[10:38] <KBar> That is, it's not install.
[10:38] <KBar> *installed
[10:38] <KBar> Only config files are left.
[10:38] <krzydv> I see
[10:39] <KBar> krzydv: `dpkg --search /etc/mysql/FROZEN`
[10:39] <KBar> Any output?
[10:40] <krzydv> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/mysql/FROZEN
[10:40] <krzydv> The file is there though. I can `cat` it.
[10:41] <KBar> krzydv: `/17-mysql-server-5.7_5.7.36-0ubuntu0.18.04.1_amd64.deb` are you trying to install this particular package?
[10:42] <krzydv> I was just trying to keep the system up-to-date with `apt update && apt upgrade` and noticed this warning with mysql.
[10:45] <KBar> krzydv: `lsb_release -ds` and `apt-cache policy '*mysql*'`
[10:46] <KBar> My bad. It's 18.04
[10:47] <KBar> krzydv: use pastebin for pastes.
[10:47] <krzydv> Ubuntu 18.04.6 LTS
[10:53] <KBar> krzydv: does the FROZEN file contain anything? Use `less` not `cat`.
[10:53] <krzydv> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qGkpytrsjR/
[10:55] <krzydv> Yes,https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Yq9WyXqxTX/
[10:55] <krzydv> I used `cat`
[10:57] <KBar> krzydv: then RTFM and try to do what it says. Looking at your apt policy though it seems that the `mysql-server` was updated successfully.
[10:58] <krzydv> Weird. I appreciate the help. I think I'm not even using mysql on my setup. So, I'll probably just remove the package.
[10:58] <KBar> krzydv: `file /etc/mysql/FROZEN`
[10:59] <KBar> You think? Double-ckeck it. If you remove it, you'll lose all of your databases.
[10:59] <krzydv> -  /etc/mysql/FROZEN: symbolic link to ../../usr/share/doc/mysql-common/frozen-mode/downgrade
[11:02] <KBar> krzydv: you mentioned downgrading from 10.1 to 5.7. You're confusing the two packages. You don't have `mariadb` installed, which was indeed version 10.1. The `mysql` suite, however, is on version 5.7.
[11:03] <KBar> krzydv: your system didn't "want" to upgrade the `mariadb` package, it attempted to upgrade the `mysql-server` package.
[11:04] <krzydv> 👍
[11:05] <Aarch64debian> whats ubuntu server default account and pass?
[11:06] <KBar> krzydv: so the answer to your question, which was what you should do, is run `apt update && apt upgrade` and see if it complains again.
[11:07] <KBar> Don't remove anything if you're not sure what it does, especially if it's a server.
[11:07] <KBar> You'll save yourself from a lot of pain and misery.
[11:08] <KBar> Aarch64debian: try "ubuntu" for both.
[11:09] <KBar> Aarch64debian: or leave the password blank.
[11:15] <Aarch64debian> this is sht now  pi 400 doesnt have wifi antenna i thought its the driver problem...
[11:16] <ogra_> pi400 has an antenna flat on the mainboard
[11:17] <Aarch64debian> its sht
[11:17] <ogra_> and the desktop install for the pi should have the correct firmware to drive it
[11:17] <ogra_> Aarch64debian, please watch your language
[11:20] <Aarch64debian> will ubuntu server accept usb internet ?
[11:21] <Sneaky1> HI
[11:22] <Aarch64debian> from phone?
[11:25] <KBar> Aarch64debian: #ubuntu-server could answer that question.
[11:52] <Aarch64debian> can i download xubuntu-desktop packages mannually on another phone
[11:53] <Aarch64debian> another machine
[12:00] <Aarch64debian> !xubuntu-desktop
[12:01] <Aarch64debian> kar ?
[12:08] <ProfessorChunk> Aarch64debian: ubuntu ubuntu
[12:10] <Aarch64debian> tell me how to find xubuntu-desktop arm64  packages
[12:15] <KBar> Aarch64debian: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xubuntu-desktop
[12:16] <DarkTrick> **bug** When I try to boot with kernel 5.13.8.12 (latest on 21.10), I cant boot with an error that my file system / system disk could not be fchecked. 5.11 works fine. If this is known and I can help solving, let me know how :)
[12:16] <DarkTrick> afk
[12:34] <KBar> DarkTrick: that version doesn't exist on Impish 21.10
[12:34] <KBar> DarkTrick: where did you get it?
[12:38] <KBar> DarkTrick: if you meant version 5.13.0-12.12, then it's not the latest.
[12:58] <Maik> DarkTrick: the current kernel in 21.10 is 5.13.0-22-generic
[13:05] <[itchyjunk]> Hello, I `sudo apt install graphviz` but I can't find the software for the life of me.
[13:05] <buna> hi all, looking for a desktop app to make an ADB/ISO (i'd love to make both) backup of my Android device...  any suggestions?
[13:06] <Khepra> Hello. Question for users of the Firefox snap. Does it crash when the snap upgrades? I am running the FF snap on debian, and it crashes whenever the snap upgrades/refreshes. So I am wondering if that's also a problem on Ubuntu.
[13:06] <[itchyjunk]> `dpkg -L graphviz` shows some stuff like `/usr/share/doc/graphviz`
[13:07] <Maik> Khepra: support for Debian related things is in #debian
[13:07] <Khepra> Maik: I am not asking for debian support
[13:07] <Maik> but so far i never experienced any crash
[13:07] <Maik> Khepra: just saying
[13:08] <Khepra> I am explicitely asking about Ubuntu users of the snap. I wonder if Ubuntu's implementation of snapd environment would be different. So my question is aimed at Ubuntu, not Debian.
[13:11] <Maik> and as i said, i never experienced any "crash" so far. I don't think the implentation would be any different i guess.
[13:11] <Maik> *implementation
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: the volunteers cant advice on most snaps neither, support is pointed towards their maintainer(s)/dev(s)
[13:12] <Maik> as you know Ubuntu is based on Debian, so...
[13:12] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: snap info snapname
[13:12] <Khepra> my question is specifically aimed at Ubuntu user.
[13:13] <KBar> [itchyjunk]: Ubuntu version?
[13:13] <Maik> Khepra: read what is said?
[13:13] <[itchyjunk]> Yes, Ubuntu 18.04
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: contact:   https://support.mozilla.org/products/firefox
[13:13] <Khepra> lotuspsychje: what for?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> Khepra: its the contact page for the Firefox snap for ubuntu
[13:14] <KBar> [itchyjunk]: launch the `Software & Updates` app and make sure the universe repository is checked.
[13:14] <Maik> lotuspsychje: that's not what it's about
[13:14] <Khepra> lotuspsychje: and then what? my question is to Ubuntu _users_ not developers. whether they experience the crashes or not.
[13:15] <KBar> Khepra: join #ubuntu-discuss.
[13:15] <KBar> This channel is explicitly for Ubuntu support.
[13:15] <Maik> Khepra: i gave you an answer, should be clear enough i guess
[13:15] <KBar> Khepra: you can poll and ask for opinions there.
[13:15] <Khepra> Maik: yes. so that's one data point. thanks. now it'd be great if I got some more data points.
[13:16] <Khepra> KBar: I'm not asking for opinions
[13:16] <Maik> Khepra: i didn't see anyone post here about crashes with FF snap in months so....
[13:17] <KBar> Khepra: your question doesn't fit the topic in any way, shape or form.
[13:17] <Maik> if you have crashes on debian then ask the debian guys what it's about....
[13:19] <[itchyjunk]> Issue solved, ty.
[13:19] <KBar> np
[13:45] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:51] <[twisti]> i plugged an usb wifi in my *virtualbox) ubuntu (18.04), but its not listed with `iw dev`. what must i do for it to be detected/installed ?
[13:54] <KBar> [twisti]: is Ubuntu 18.04 the guest or the host?
[13:55] <[twisti]> guest
[13:56] <[twisti]> host is windows, and the usb device is properly forwarded to the guest
[13:56] <KBar> [twisti]: did you install the extension pack?
[13:57] <KBar> The versions should match.
[13:57] <[twisti]> no, i wasnt aware that i needed to. let me get on that
[13:58] <KBar> [twisti]: it's not really an Ubuntu support question. Windows or Oracle VM VirtualBox support channels would be more appropriate.
[14:00] <[twisti]> i thought i had to, on the ubuntu level, do something for usb wifi adapters to be detected/loaded/whatever
[14:03] <Khepra> [twisti]: what does the ubuntu's dmesg say when you plug in the dongle?
[14:09] <[twisti]> Khepra: when i plug it in after booting nothing, but when its connected during boot: https://i.imgur.com/NFeMCgr.png
[14:09] <[twisti]> its device 1-2, at the end you can see where i unplugged it
[14:10] <Khepra> [twisti]: run again and    | grep -i firmware    please
[14:11] <[twisti]> [Firmware Bug]: TSC doesn't count with PO frequency!
[14:11] <[twisti]> nothing else
[14:12] <[twisti]> bloody hell, all i want to do is run tuya-convert :(
[14:12] <Khepra> [twisti]: does the device show in  `ip link`  ?
[14:13] <[twisti]> no
[14:13] <[twisti]> wait, let me reboot, since it wasnt detected after i un- and replugged it
[14:13] <[twisti]> nope, still not present
[14:14] <mekhami> can i ask for pulseaudio help here? i had a device plugged in via usb and it worked just fine; yesterday i added another device and the first one has disappeared and i no longer have audio.
[14:15] <Khepra> [twisti]: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1082824/ubuntu-16-04-5-usb-wifi-adapter-0bdab812-not-working  maybe this helps  (for your vendorId and productID)
[14:15] <mekhami> the device still shows up in `pactl list cards` but no longer under `pactl list short sinks`
[14:15] <[twisti]> thanks, ill check it out
[14:18] <Khepra> [twisti]: oh, alternatively you could try HWE kernels.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[14:20] <[twisti]> is that for backporting drivers ? the device is a few years old
[14:20] <[twisti]> or did i misunderstand your link
[14:20] <Khepra> [twisti]: which of the two links?
[14:21] <[twisti]> the HWE stack
[14:21] <Khepra> [twisti]: it's for newer kernels on older ubuntus. that page explains the concept and reasons
[14:21] <Khepra> 4.15 is _quite_ old for today's standards. even if your hardware is just as old, sometimes support for it comes years later
[14:22] <[twisti]> ah okay
[14:33] <Thomas25> OK, I have NVIDIA GTX 1070 and iGPU UHD 630. I want to run two guests via KVM, namely, Win11/NVIDIA and Mac/UHD 630. I succeeded at first Win11/NVIDIA no problem. For the second one I think I have two options 1) Start ubuntu headless and passthrough the iGPU 2) Use GVT-g to share the iGPU between host (ubuntu) and Mac.
[14:33] <Thomas25> any suggestions?
[14:34] <Thomas25> btw, the problem I was having with 4k monitor running at 30 Hz instead of 60 Hz with iGPU is apparently due to UHD 630 only supports 4k@60 via DP port not HDMI port. FYI.
[14:50] <KBar> mekhami, what's the output of `lsb_release -ds` and `pulseaudio --version`?
[14:58] <coon> i need help getting my printer working
[15:01] <Thomas25> KBar is he also getting audio glitches? sounds exactly like buffer underruns
[15:03] <Guest44100> hi
[15:14] <coon> can someone help me get my printer working
[15:26] <Khepra> coon: probably not until you state the actual problem
[15:26] <KBar> And change your nickname.
[15:35] <Guest4005> how to restore audio
[15:37] <KBar> Guest4005: can you be more specific? What's wrong with your audio? Is that an output or an input device? What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[15:38] <Guest4005> 14.o43
[15:39] <leftyfb> Guest4005: Ubuntu 14.04 is no longer supported. I would recommend upgrading to 20.04
[15:39] <KBar> Guest4005: what's this? Ubuntu 14.04?
[15:39] <KBar> Or at least to 18.04.
[15:39] <Guest4005> how do I upgrade
[15:40] <coon> i need help with my printer
[15:40] <leftyfb> !eolupgrade | Guest4005
[15:40] <BluesKaj> which printer, which OS ?
[15:40] <KBar> Guest4005: for your case, I suggest backing up all of your personal data and installing afresh.
[15:41] <tomreyn> coon: we can try to help if you can provide more details than this.
[15:42] <coon> canon pixma mg2520 ubuntu focal fossa
[15:42] <tomreyn> coon: what have you tried so far?
[15:42] <tomreyn> did it work previously? if so, what changed since?
[15:43] <coon> i plugged it in and it was recognized it says its ready to use but nothing
[15:43] <coon> i was on windows
[15:43] <Guest4005> ok  I'll try later thank you
[15:47] <tomreyn> coon: can you double check the product number, MG2520? I can only see MG2540 and MG2550 on canon's website
[15:48] <tomreyn> oh actually MG2520 exists, ok
[15:49] <MR_SOHAIB> hi
[15:50] <KBar> MR_SOHAIB: hi and welcome. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.
[15:51] <youtube> hello guys
[15:52] <youtube> help me to ubuntu please
[15:52] <KBar> youtube: hi. What exactly is your problem?
[15:52] <tomreyn> coon: according to https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Canon/Canon-MG2520 there's no linux support for this model
[15:53] <youtube> hi guys
[15:53] <youtube> :D
[15:53] <Aarch64debian> o:
[15:53] <KBar> youtube: join #ubuntu-offtopic for chit chat
[15:53] <tomreyn> youtube: so you have an ubuntu support question?
[15:53] <youtube> so ı new to xubuntu everyone can help me
[15:53] <tomreyn> !ask | youtube
[15:54] <KBar> youtube: yes. Ask your question(s). And join #xubuntu.
[15:54] <KBar> youtube: or #ubuntu-tr.
[15:54] <youtube> ok
[15:54] <youtube> !ok
[15:54] <youtube> !hi
[15:54] <Aarch64debian> lol
[15:54] <Sven_vB> hi! I'm tryin LXDE on Ubuntu focal. after a few minutes idle, my screen blanks. I guess I need a power management daemon, at least that was the solution for xfce. what should I use for LXDE?
[15:55] <tomreyn> coon: actually canon does provide a driver, you could giver this a try: https://www.canon-europe.com/support/consumer_products/products/fax__multifunctionals/inkjet/pixma_mg_series/pixma_mg2540.html?type=drivers&language=en&os=linux%20(64-bit)
[15:55] <linext> does ubuntu support a way to make the screen brighter, similar to nividia configuration tool
[15:57] <tomreyn> linext: https://linuxhint.com/display_brightness_commandline/ discusses multiple options for software and hardware control
[15:58] <KBar> Sven_vB: #lubuntu might help you with that
[15:58] <Sven_vB> KBar, thanks!
[15:58] <linext> thanks
[15:58] <tomreyn> Sven_vB: nte that lubuntu uses lxqt nowadays, though
[15:59] <Maik> KBar: ^
[16:02] <Sven_vB> tomreyn, thanks, I'll read about that
[16:17] <coon> i tried that already to no avail
[16:17] <ahh> g
[16:22] <linext> is it possible to adjust brightness within an ubuntu virtual machine on vmware player?
[16:22] <linext> i tried xrandr and xgamma
[16:23] <EriC^^> linext: i doubt it's a standard feature, but maybe you can share the /sys dir that has the brightness files to your vm and modify from there
[16:24] <Thomas25> "Usually only pro audio multichannel cards may have problems with pulseaudio. If you find that your multichannel card is not working with pulseaudio, but is supported by alsa, it will still work perfectly with jack."
[16:24] <Thomas25> from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[16:24] <Thomas25> and that's precisely what i have, lol
[16:27] <Please> ubottu: Ok!
[16:29] <Please> What is this new installing updates screen during splash screen? This is really annoying. We never had such a thing in linux that requires double reboots to install an update! Did we copy Microsoft Windows?
[16:31] <leftyfb> Please: what exactly are you referring to? There are zero updates in ubuntu that force you to reboot.
[16:32] <tomreyn> maybe it's a firmware update? but that would be happening outside of ubuntu
[16:34] <tomreyn> Please: take and upload a photo, discuss your ubuntu version etc.
[16:36] <Please> I see regular updates that requires reboot and during reboot, after grub and loading kernel, splash screen will show installing updates XX% and then requires another reboot after that. I'm using ubuntu 21.10 for desktop and right now I don't have any pictures. But I will grab one as soon as it happens
[16:37] <leftyfb> Please: that does not sounds like ubuntu to me
[16:37] <BluesKaj> Please, turn off automatic updates in your package manager
[16:37] <leftyfb> Please: also, as I said, zero updates will force you to reboot. Do your updates and don't worry about rebooting until you feel like it
[16:38] <tomreyn> there are updates which require reboots for the reboot to be applied, but the reboot does not need to be done instantly, you can do it any time later.
[16:39] <tomreyn> updates installig on a splash screen during boot would be news to me, i don't think that exists as part of ubuntu.
[16:39] <leftyfb> it doesn't
[16:39] <Please> I know about kernel updates. But this one is new and I'd never seen something like that. It does the update process during splash screen and requires further reboots
[16:40] <tomreyn> see my above theory about a firmware upgrade
[16:40] <leftyfb> I've been running Ubuntu since 2007, there is no splash screen in ubuntu that says "installing updates XX%"
[16:48] <ioria> quite sure it's the firmware, 'cause it needs to be done one by one ( If there were more than one firmware update), so multiple reboots
[16:49] <ioria> Please, something like this ? :  https://i1.wp.com/itsfoss.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/firmware-update-in-progress-ubuntu.jpg?w=800&ssl=1
[16:50] <Please> Maybe I have to mention that is Kubuntu, but I don't think so if it is something specific to kubuntu. Yet I'm asking it in #kubuntu to see if I get any answers or not
[16:50] <Please> ioria: No :)
[16:55] <arsix> hi, y'all, i'm on ubuntu 21.10 (upgraded from 20.04). i have my keyboard layout set to dvorak but when i login to my window manager (spectrwm, *not* the stock ubuntu WM) for the first time after reboot, i end up in qwerty. it's especially strange because it's definitely dvorak at the gdm3 screen. also strange is that i've got a specific line in my .xsession file that explicitly runs setxkbmap and i *know*
[16:55] <arsix> this line is getting executed but i still end up in qwerty. it doesn't happen if i log in with the stock ubuntu WM, though, so i'm not sure what's going on here. anybody have any ideas?
[16:57] <leftyfb> arsix: sounds like a spectrwm issue
[16:59] <Please> Alright folks. Found it. It is something related to Discover. A packages manager used in KDE. It downloads updates and schedules installing them during next reboot. https://blog.neon.kde.org/2021/03/01/offline-updates-are-coming/
[17:01] <ioria> mistery solved, but i don't think that is stock/default
[17:04] <Please> It comes with KDE. So if you don't use KDE or auto updates in Discover, you will not have the chance to meet this glorious screen.
[17:05] <axsuul> Hi, I'm having an issue where on reboot, one of my USB devices disappears from /dev/tty*. The only way to fix this so far is to unplug the USB device and plug it back in and then it'll reappear (e.g. /dev/ttyACM0). Any suggestions on how to solve this issue?
[17:05] <axsuul> I'm on 20.04
[17:06] <ioria> i see
[17:08] <Please> axsuul: After reboot and before unplugging and replugging it, check if the usb device is listed using lsusb. If it was not, check journalctrl to see if it see reporting failures during usb device enumeration. If there were error logs, then it means your usb device has problems.
[17:09] <arsix> leftyfb: yeah, that would be my inclination, too, but this has never been a problem before i upgraded to 21.10, so i'm wondering if the stock ubuntu WM runs some extra init script on startup that spectrwm just doesn't know about or something like that. i'm also asking in the spectrwm support channel, for what it's worth
[17:11] <Please> Is this Arduino? Did you add any special rules to make it accessible for normal users?
[18:11] <jhutchins> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/49650/how-to-get-keycodes-for-xmodmap
[18:13] <evul18> Hey there! I had two servers that magically started failing to apt/apt-get update. It always fails by just saying Connection Failed [IP: <IP> <Port>] I can curl and wget the endpoints without any issue and no proxy is configured. I rebooted one server to troubleshoot, and when it came back up it works exactly as intended. What else can I possibly
[18:13] <evul18> check to figure out what could be causing this?
[18:13] <jhutchins> Please: The device is probably looking for some sort of initialisation that is not triggered by reboot.
[18:13] <jhutchins> Please: Ooops, sry.
[18:14] <evul18> What would a reboot possibly fix or change that I can't do through some other mechanism?
[18:17] <jhutchins> evul18: Re-initialising the USB bus.
[18:17] <jhutchins> Man, I'm sure getting my threads mixed up.  Time for less posting and more coffee.
[18:18] <evul18> jhutchins ha. I was going to say, I don't think that would impact it, but I'm willing to try anything :P
[18:19] <tomreyn> evul18: maybe the network environment got misconfigured through dhcp previously, and the reboot helped? or maybe the there was a temporary network issue outside of this system?
[18:19] <Please> axsuul doesn't talk, so we really don't know. We need to know what the usb device is and providing VID/PID can be useful. I have developed some usb devices, but I never had faced such problem.
[18:20] <evul18> tomreyn both servers are on the same VLAN, same vSphere host, etc. and are using the same internet connection.
[18:20] <axsuul> Please: thanks, sorry about that! I actually discovered that the USB device is having the issue itself. it's the Aeotec Z-Stick Gen5 and it has issues with the raspi 4, which I'm using
[18:20] <evul18> After rebooting the single server, it continues to work, and the old one continues to not work. It's got to be something OS related tomreyn
[18:20] <axsuul> Looks like it has issues if port is USB3
[18:21] <tomreyn> evul18: oh, so you still have one where you can reproduce it? then i'd take a look at the routing there
[18:22] <tomreyn> i.e. start with a traceroute tot he target
[18:22] <tomreyn> you may end up looking at the OS next, but i still think it's good to start there
[18:23] <Please> axsuul: I'm pleased
[18:23] <evul18> tomreyn I have no issue curl'ing to wget'ing to the apt repos. It's not a connection issue, at least from an external perspective.
[18:24] <tomreyn> evul18: you can run apt with more verbose output. there are the Debug::Acquire* options, for example
[18:25] <tomreyn> search for Debug::Acquire in apt.conf(5)
[18:26] <tomreyn> use the relevant option for the network protocol (URI scheme) you use to access the apt mirrors
[18:26] <evul18> I did that, but I don't see anything meaningful tomreyn would you. mind taking a look at the log if I pastebin it?
[18:26] <tomreyn> i would not mind
[18:27] <evul18> tomreyn https://pastebin.com/jJhJAAqr
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[18:28] <evul18> tomreyn, I am via curl/wget, it's all just straight http on tcp/80
[18:29] <tomreyn> so why don't you use Debug::Acquire::http
[18:30] <tomreyn> which mirror is the one giving the problems?
[18:31] <evul18> Every one except for Hit:5 https://apt.datadoghq.com stable Release doesn't get a hit.
[18:31] <ioria> also 'sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes update '  might help
[18:32] <ioria> FailReason: HttpError404
[18:32] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I add an app indicator in Gnome top bar? (basically I want to add that indicator based on the existence of a background process.)
[18:32] <evul18> ioria I see not additional output from using that one.
[18:33] <samlamamma> I'm in a broken mess of Nvidia drivers. GLX is missing, Ubuntu drivers says I have 390, and nvidia-detector says nvidia-driver-495. What can I do?
[18:34] <ioria> evul18, can you ping ping us.archive.ubuntu.com ?
[18:34] <evul18> tomreyn see using https://pastebin.com/BgmA4AN7
[18:34] <samlamamma> And nvidia-uninstall uninstalled 470.94 for me, great!
[18:35] <evul18> yes ioria, although it's resolving to banjo or kazooie.canonical.com
[18:35] <tomreyn> evul18: and you can positively rule out a transient proxy issue?
[18:35] <evul18> ioria and see with your debug flag: https://pastebin.com/1XzTZM8G
[18:37] <evul18> tomreyn, I've done what I can, and one server working after a reboot wouldn't be a proxy issue. I tried doing a wget of the InRelease file on the failing machine, and my own personal machine, and they sha256sum to the exact same hash. What more can I do to rule it out?
[18:38] <ioria> i suspect this apt.datadoghq.com agent, but really don't know what that is
[18:39] <tomreyn> evul18: not much, i guess. all i can think of is some network issue such as mtu / mss OR something related to third party software, libc issues.
[18:39] <tomreyn> but that's a lot of guessing
[18:39] <morfius> Привет всем
[18:40] <evul18> ioria it's a monitoring agent, which, ironically, has monitors to the same endpoints and has zero issues connecting to them. It uses the python requests package to perform those checks.
[18:40] <ioria> ok
[18:40] <evul18> tomreyn would that explain the the reboot making it work on the other host?
[18:42] <tomreyn> evul18: if it was an abi incompatibility between some software, some of which got upgraded, yes, it could.
[18:43] <evul18> I was just hoping I could fix without rebooting, so I can fix it programmatically in Ansible.
[18:44] <tomreyn> do you know "needrestart"? it can help detect such situations
[18:45] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999     may also hint on what you need to work on
[18:50] <evul18> tomreyn I am not familiar with `needrestart`, is that this? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man1/needrestart.1.html
[18:51] <evul18> tomreyn there's a single package that is show as local.
[18:51] <tomreyn> yes, but xenial would be eol
[18:51] <evul18> Yeah, just saying the man page ;P
[18:52] <tomreyn> there can be newer ones, so...
[18:52] <tomreyn> mind telling what the local package is?
[18:53] <evul18> sumocollector
[18:53] <evul18> It's a part of sumologic.com's offerings.
[18:54] <tomreyn> hmm, ok, i assume they provide packages compatblie to current releases, and hope you'll ensure those are being used
[18:54] <tomreyn> as you do for datadog
[18:55] <tomreyn> so, i'm sorry, but i have no good explanation :-/
[18:55] <tomreyn> just loose theories
[18:56] <tomreyn> you could, of course, capture the traffic and examine it
[18:56] <tomreyn> and compare it to the system which is happy
[18:56] <evul18> tomreyn whats the proper way to use needsrestart?
[18:57] <evul18> I ask because I thought that most packages in the repos will auto restart or reload anything as needed.
[18:59] <evul18> Of course, I can't even install it on the host I need it on, either, because it can't access the repos lol.
[19:02] <evul18> I can manually grab the packages via wget, but apt fails when it tries itself lol
[19:04] <tomreyn> !apt-offline
[19:05] <tomreyn> evul18: apt-offline can let you gather the packages on a system with working repo access, to install it on a system without
[19:06] <evul18> I just used dpkg
[19:06] <tomreyn> !info apt-offline
[19:14] <[twisti]> i made an ubuntu live usb stick, and after booting the first thing i did was apt upgrade, and it runs out of space, but the usb stick is big, 16gb, so i know its not actually full, anything i can do about it
[19:14] <evul18> Funny enough, the server that was rebooted before is now having the exact same issue again tomreyn.
[19:15] <tomreyn> evul18: i'd do the tcpdump, even though you know it can work fine with other http clients
[19:25] <adac> Does somebody of you use pop os gnome tiling extension? I have some issues with changing the workspaces via shortcut. It won't change with super ctrl up/down for some reason
[19:25] <leftyfb> !popos | adac
[19:25] <rfm> e
[19:26] <adac> ok
[19:39] <cambrian_invader> hi, I'm getting some strange 404 errors when trying to update https://paste.debian.net/1223886/
[19:40] <cambrian_invader> apt can't find the packages, but when I use the same url I can download them with curl
[19:42] <cambrian_invader> (I ran update before trying to upgrade)
[19:45] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: us.ports.ubuntu.com resolves to multiple ip addresses, content is possibly served by multiple servers. you may want to use the --resolve option with curl to resolve to the same ip address apt resolved it to
[19:45] <tomreyn> namely 91.189.91.38
[19:46] <tomreyn> other than that, this can be the result of a transparent proxy / traffic rerouting - you're using a plain http mirror
[19:51] <cambrian_invader> tomreyn: I tried using the exact IP address and got the file fine
[19:54] <tomreyn> evul18: you see this? maybe there's actually a temporary issue with the cdn that (IIRC) sits behind us.archive.ubuntu.com
[19:54] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: you might want to bring this up in #ubuntu-mirrors
[19:54] <evul18> Hmm
[19:55] <evul18> I'm not getting a 404, I'm just getting a very generic, connection failed.
[19:55] <tomreyn> ah right, different symptoms, probably unrelated
[19:57] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: maybe try one of the other U.S. mirrors, at least temporarily https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_10_3_1_1639770926294_62
[19:58] <cambrian_invader> ok, I will try that
[20:02] <evul18> tomreyn I'm seeing quite a few RST's in the dump, from the ubuntu endpoints.
[20:02] <SantaCoz> happy day all
[20:08] <cambrian_invader> tomreyn: one thing I didn't mention is that it's only for particular packages
[20:08] <cambrian_invader> there were some other packages I updated and those worked fine
[20:09] <tomreyn> evul18: :-/ maybe #ubuntu-mirrors then
[20:11] <tomreyn> cambrian_invader: this may suggest that the information on latest package versions on this mirror is not insync with the packages available on it.
[20:12] <tomreyn> evul37: so...your irc connection just dropped?
[20:22] <evul37> tomreyn my input for kb/mouse stopped working for whatever reason, so I had to dc my laptop from my dock, which disconnected the ethernet...
[20:23] <tomreyn> oh, so no network issues, good
[20:26] <donofrio> anyone here know how I can mount images created by partimage on my ubuntu workstation?  the files are stored locally just not sure of mount command?
[20:59] <xheimlich> sometimes my home internet starts using ipv6 addresses for whatever reason and I can't use apt. or some apt repositories, etc.
[21:00] <xheimlich> I didn't want to create an account just to post a paste, sorry. https://bpa.st/VAQA
[21:14] <tomreyn> xheimlich: well, those 404 status codes would be correct, since these packages (package versions) don't exist, and the 404s are reported by on both the ipv4 and ipv6 address.
[21:16] <tomreyn> https://bpa.st/H2QQ
[21:18] <xheimlich> did my repository list become corrupted somehow
[21:18] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I add an app indicator in Gnome top bar? (basically I want to add that indicator based on the existence of a background process.)
[21:19] <tomreyn> xheimlich: did you update the packacge cache first? sudo apt update
[23:02] <ActionParsnip> Another quiet one... Has Ubuntu reached nirvana?
[23:03] <jhutchins> AcidMan: It seems to go in waves these days.
[23:03] <jhutchins> AcidMan: Oops.
[23:07] <Bashing-om> AcidMan: ^ Just a testamony to how user friendly the OS had become - and the documentatuon gets better - the support staff is becoming a relic of the past !
[23:10] <orange1> can you guys add python2-espeak in the repos again. only python3-espeak is there with newer ubuntu versions
[23:11] <oerheks> python2 is dead, orange1 .. i guess there will be no volunteers to do that, nor give support
[23:11] <orange1> ok
[23:13] <jhutchins> orange1: I've found that some code that defaults to python2 has the internal code to use python3, you just need to go through and tweak some of the calls.
[23:15] <orange1> ok, its no big deal. i just made a ircbot that does text to speech. i just have to convert it to python 3
[23:36] <oli_b> Hi All
[23:58] <yukiup> hay