[19:27] <JanC> I wonder how many Java applications included their own copy of Log4j (and if people learned a lesson from it)
[21:05] <kenyon> I think people will never learn the lesson that bundling is bad
[22:37] <JackFrost> "Well sure it was really bad this time, but that won't happen again!" /s
[23:15] <JanC> also, how many snaps/flatpaks/cloud-images/etc. include it...