[00:16] <orange1> what is ubuntu end of year party?
[00:18] <leftyfb> !ot | orange1
[00:18] <orange1> ok
[01:11] <[itchyjunk]> Hello, I am on ubuntu 18.04. On creation, I used a username X. Like /home/X. I was trying to change this so that it's Y everywhere. I can't seem to figure it out. Any ideas?
[01:12] <[itchyjunk]> I want the computer to replace that X with Y everywhere relevant, hopefull what I want is clear.
[01:12] <jhutchins> There are ways to do this.  You want me to google "linux rename user" for ya?
[01:14] <jhutchins> [itchyjunk]: The name associated with file/directory ownership is in a single location (/etc/passwd), the name of the folder is in the filesystem.  There's a utility to do the whole thing in one or two steps.
[01:17] <jhutchins> [itchyjunk]: It's probably best to use the utility rather than hacking at it and potentially leaving loose ends.
[03:10] <cappicard_> good evening.  i just upgraded to 21.10. but my notebook (HP 15-dy2037nr) is locking up way too often.  i never had this problem with previous versions of ubuntu. Plus, is there a way to get secure boot grub to boot other isos (freedos or memtest86+)?
[04:30] <vtalk> Hi
[04:31] <vtalk> Does anyone know if screen-sharing works using linux in the browser version of the videoconferencing tool "bluejeans"?
[04:31] <vtalk> I tried the testchannel on https://bluejeans.com/111
[04:32] <vtalk> but after clicking "share screen" and choosing a window to share, nothing really happens (or does it? Maybe, it just doesn't show a copy of my shared-window in the browser).
[07:48] <user_> francesco di gennaro
[08:10] <abcdefg> hi
[08:10] <abcdefg> is someone alive
[08:11] <ducasse> !ask
[08:49] <hejux> why ubuntu sucks so hard? i mean, upgraded to 20.04 lts. it has a tmux 3.0a, but it does not have a -X option for tmux new-session. who the hell modified the upstring source code and removed the -X option ?
[08:51] <hejux> tmux changelogs: Add new-session -X and attach-session -x to send SIGHUP to parent when
[08:51] <hejux>   detaching (like detach-client -P)y
[08:51] <hejux> CHANGES FROM 2.9 TO 3.0
[08:53] <hejux> apt info tmux: Version: 3.0a-2ubuntu0.3 , Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[08:55] <hejux> i'll never use ubuntu again. sucks so hard.
[08:55] <hejux> i'm gonna wipe the disk, and install debian instead
[08:59]  * alkisg wonders if people think that this is some kind of punishment to the other ubuntu users here...
[08:59] <ducasse> send canonical an email, you'll get your money back
[09:28] <weedmic> I can't remember exactly what to type in to find the PSK code for a wifi router.  I typed @ konsole "wpa_passphrase routername routerpassword | sudo tee temp.conf" - but got "bash: !el1: event not found" - i need the PSK for a script
[09:32] <KBar> ducasse: but who's gonna pay for my mental damage?!! Mr. Shuttleworth???
[09:41] <weedmic> that was the wrong command entirely - i need a wpa_supplicant to "view" the psk
[09:48] <weedmic> does anyone know a command to view the psk2 key from the router one is connected to?
[09:50] <KBar> hejux: hate to reveal this to you, but actually the Debian `tmux` also doesn't have the -X flag. Hahaha
[09:51] <KBar> hejux: grab the source from here and compile yourself: https://github.com/tmux/tmux/releases/download/3.2a/tmux-3.2a.tar.gz
[09:56] <shadowbird2468> my fathers computer keeps dropping nvidia audio profile soon as audio input and output are idling. so I need to keep some kind of sound on all the time. also keeping pavucontrol-qt keeps the profile on. so I was wondering if I could make somekinda service running in the background to keep audio active. any ideas?
[09:57] <shadowbird2468> this far I have kept pavucntrol-qt minimized to keep audios working
[09:57] <oerheks> weedmic, if there is such command, it is a hack
[09:57] <oerheks> also, not an ubuntu issue, try #networking ?
[09:58] <KBar> shadowbird2468: is that Kubuntu? What version?
[09:58] <shadowbird2468> ubuntu 20.04
[09:59] <KBar> shadowbird2468: are you sure? What's the output of `sudo cat /var/log/installer/media-info`?
[10:00] <shadowbird2468> its actually my fathers computer, not able to ssh in atm
[10:02] <oerheks> maybe this page is a help; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[10:03] <shadowbird2468> its a nvidia sound device. other ppl have had similar problems with it aswell, but havent found any fix to the problem. at this pont I'd be happy just to make some get around the issue fix
[10:03] <KBar> shadowbird2468: pavucontrol-qt is a Qt port of pavucontrol. Official Ubuntu flavors that run in Qt are Kubuntu and Lubuntu.
[10:04] <KBar> If it's not running in those environments, I'd suggest replacing it with `pavucontrol`.
[10:04] <shadowbird2468> yea, I'd use pulsemixer, but it doesnt keep nvidias audio profile from dropping
[10:04] <KBar> It being your father's computer.
[10:05] <shadowbird2468> I'll try pavucontrol instead, maybe it'll work
[10:06] <shadowbird2468> I think pavucontrol-qt is somehow keeping audio busy (not sure how exacly) but it seems to help
[10:06] <Fossil> Any pointers here? Trying to live resize a root partition of a VMware VM with LVM. https://kopy.io/aDiNa#r2zUblpuGoiuEI. I managed to grow sda to 40G but sda5 is still listed as 19,5G and I think therefore pvresize doesnt do anything.
[10:07] <shadowbird2468>  https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2470053 here is the threat I've made
[10:10] <shadowbird2468> so on bootup the correct profile seems to be active, but since there is no audio activity during hte bootup, it drops the profile after few seconds for some wierd reason. by the time hte system is up I need to select the correct profile again Nvidia instead on dummy sound
[10:10] <oerheks> killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -k  ; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* ; rm -r ~/.pulse*  ### this line could fix that
[10:11] <oerheks> *permanently
[10:13] <weedmic> This IS the command - but my password need some / characters
[10:13] <shadowbird2468> thx, I'll try that out. I actually tried it once already, but I had ubuntu 21.04 in use back then, so lets see if anything seems difrent now
[10:18] <shadowbird2468> I'm planing to make a startup script that get the audio up and keeps it on
[10:18] <shadowbird2468> to open a program already minimized, does it work like this? pavucontrol-qt --minimized
[10:20] <shadowbird2468> so maybe on every boot I could someway reload pulseaudio and then popup pavu already minimized. I know its not perfect, but would make it easier for now, so there is no need to do anything manually on every boot
[10:21] <dreamon> is it possible to tranfer file over a existing ssh connection? I know of scp but this makes a new connection. I want to transfer during a existing connection..
[10:21] <DarkTrick> How can I prevent apt from using a mirror?
[10:22] <i-garrison> shadowbird2468: try disabling module-suspend-on-idle in default.pa
[10:22] <DarkTrick> (It tries to use a mirror, which apparently does not exist anymore)
[10:22] <shadowbird2468> I will check that! thx
[10:24] <shadowbird2468> the sound output makes horrible sound when its idle, so there is something wrong, more then a setting, but that would make it easier to boot while having the profile still on
[10:25] <shadowbird2468> kinda like cracling sound which is quite loud
[10:26] <shadowbird2468> when there is sound playing or pavu on the cracling sound disapears
[10:27] <oerheks> DarkTrick,  remove it from your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ folder
[10:29] <DarkTrick> oerheks, the mirror is not listed there
[10:30] <oerheks> DarkTrick,  weird, it should not populate the original sources.list.
[10:31] <DarkTrick> oerheks, it's also not in sources.list
[10:31] <oerheks> DarkTrick, then is it not good software.
[10:31] <oerheks> pastebin the output of apt update?
[10:31] <DarkTrick> perhaps I should go over to #debian...
[10:31] <oerheks> or, the mirror is down, India does that in holliday time
[10:32] <oerheks> yes, if you use debian, no need to ask here
[10:33] <rvsjoen> anyone know why dockerd only listens to tcp6 when initiating a swarm node ?
[10:33] <rvsjoen> and how ot make it listen to tcp
[10:45] <hejux> Kbar: debian what?
[10:47] <KaitoDaumoto> /j endeavouros
[10:51] <DarkTrick> Hm... debian needs a login :/
[10:51] <oerheks> No, you need to be registered with libera
[10:52] <oerheks> ubuntu is low level entry
[10:52] <DarkTrick> oerheks, basically what I said :)
[10:52] <oerheks> !register
[10:52] <DarkTrick> takes another 30 minutes or so I guess
[10:52] <oerheks> dail-up 33k6?
[10:53] <DarkTrick> oerheks, much text, link, link, link, aw didnt work, try again, read again, check mail, check spam, blabla
[10:54] <EriC^^> 2mins tops
[11:01] <SudoBash> I need some help compiling a driver module against a newly installed kernel?
[11:02] <SudoBash> the driver compiles, but I get a vermagic:       4.15.0-29-generic when that kernel isn't even installed anymore
[11:02] <SudoBash> I've ready that I may need linux-headers-generic 4.15.0-162
[11:03] <SudoBash> but I can only find linux-headers-generic 4.15.0-163
[11:03] <SudoBash> there should be a inux-headers-generic 4.15.0-162.170 somewhere, but I can only find inux-headers-generic 4.15.0-162.151
[11:05] <SudoBash> I'm trying to compile against 4.15.0-162-generic
[11:06] <SudoBash> I have image and headers installed: linux-headers-4.15.0-162-generic_4.15.0-162.170_amd64
[11:07] <oerheks> weird old kernel, https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic-updates/linux-headers-generic
[11:07] <oerheks> 4.15.0.163.152 is current, for bionic that is
[11:07] <oerheks> remove all unused old kernels first?
[11:08] <oerheks> sudo dpkg ––list | egrep –i ––color ‘linux-image|linux-headers’ # would show them all
[11:09] <oerheks> https://phoenixnap.com/kb/ubuntu-remove-old-kernels
[11:10] <SudoBash> one sec I'll check that
[11:10] <SudoBash> I can't run 163, I hang and initial initramfs
[11:10] <SudoBash> I found 162-generic works tho
[11:10] <SudoBash> ?
[11:10] <SudoBash> https://pastebin.com/T8hSzSqm
[11:10] <SudoBash> Jeremy31 https://pastebin.com/T8hSzSqm
[11:12] <SudoBash> dpkg: error: need an action option
[11:12] <SudoBash> ahh nvm
[11:12] <Jeremy31> What module are you trying to build?
[11:13] <oerheks> make sure you boot in the official latest kernel ..
[11:13] <oerheks> 170 is not in the list
[11:13] <SudoBash> Netgear A6120 github module
[11:14] <SudoBash> it runs on 4.15.0-29 fine
[11:14] <SudoBash> 163 hangs
[11:14] <SudoBash> I'm able to run 4.15.0-162
[11:14] <Jeremy31> SudoBash: post URL for>  lsusb | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:15] <SudoBash> https://github.com/kaduke/Netgear-A6210/tree/port-to-4.15
[11:16] <SudoBash> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0846:9053 NetGear, Inc.
[11:17] <SudoBash> why would you need to netcat in?
[11:17] <Jeremy31> SudoBash: That just auto pastes the results to termbin.com
[11:18] <SudoBash> thing is I have this installed with DKMS but I installed the kernel manually, but it supposedly triggered a dkms build
[11:18] <Jeremy31> SudoBash: That device works in the 5.4 kernel series, any reason you can't use it?
[11:18] <SudoBash> I've never seen it working, I reinstalled 18.04.1 just for this PoS
[11:18] <SudoBash> it was the worst $50 I've ever spent at walmart
[11:19] <SudoBash> literally the only wireless usb adapter they had in stock
[11:19] <Jeremy31> SudoBash: I helped fix that device in the 5.4 kernels a year ago
[11:19] <SudoBash> broken
[11:19] <SudoBash> it even crashes in windows if you have a steady 25MB down
[11:20] <SudoBash> about 3 minutes in, crash... with Unreal 5 Beta download in windows
[11:20] <SudoBash> I originally tried on latest 5.4 under Ubuntu 20.04
[11:20] <SudoBash> -> Nope
[11:21] <SudoBash> I downgraded to 18.04 specifically because of that and can only get it working on 4.15.0-29
[11:21] <Jeremy31> Strange
[11:21] <SudoBash> device is flaky in windows and linux :-/
[11:22] <Jeremy31> It might need to be unplugged if there is any difference in the Windows and Linux firmware.  I don't have Windows installed
[11:22] <SudoBash> maybe it's included in linux-modules-extra-version
[11:23] <DarkTrick> EriC^^, FYI: as expected: registration does not work
[11:23] <SudoBash> I tried to find it with the Additional Drivers GUI utility, it never shows anything
[11:24] <oerheks> DarkTrick, join #libera for that
[11:24] <Jeremy31> SudoBash: the drivers utility only works if the driver is in the Ubuntu repos
[11:24] <DarkTrick> and here comes the 30 mins I was talking
[11:26] <SudoBash> you meant make -C /lib/modules/4.15.0-162-generic/build M=$(pwd) modules instead of PWD right?
[11:26] <SudoBash> or capital PWD like you had?
[11:27] <Jeremy31> If the current kernel is 162 you could try> make clean && make -C /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build M=$(PWD) modules
[11:28] <SudoBash> PWD is unknown
[11:28] <SudoBash> unknown command;
[11:28] <SudoBash> pwd produces something, but see here for it: https://pastebin.com/QcqQfXVF
[11:28] <Jeremy31> The $(PWD) should be the current working directory
[11:29] <SudoBash> yes pwd works for that
[11:29] <SudoBash> it's case sensitive
[11:29] <SudoBash> here is the error on that: https://pastebin.com/QcqQfXVF
[11:29] <SudoBash>  /home/appxprt/Netgear-A6210/Makefile:30: /usr/src/linux-headers-4.15.0-162-generic/os/linux/config.mk: No such file or directory
[11:30] <SudoBash> that's because it's missing: linux-headers-generic right?
[11:30] <SudoBash> lolol but you can't install that for this version
[11:30] <SudoBash> that's pretty ridiculous
[11:31] <SudoBash> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e350d9e7b039524ac22c016bdacf8ec1/pasted.txt
[11:31] <SudoBash> See this reference referencing 4.15.0-162.170 which is NO WHERE TO BE FOUND:
[11:32] <SudoBash> https://www.google.com/search?q=install+specific+linux-headers-generic+4.15.0-162
[11:32] <Jeremy31> http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/linux-headers-4.15.0-162-generic_4.15.0-162.170_amd64.deb
[11:33] <SudoBash> that's linux-headers not the linux-headers-generic package, which is extremely confusing by the way
[11:33] <SudoBash> check versions on linux-header-generic
[11:34] <Jeremy31> The only file named config.mk on this laptop happens to be in /home/jeremy/Netgear-A6210/os/linux/config.mk
[11:35] <SudoBash> Package: linux-headers-generic
[11:35] <SudoBash> Architecture: amd64
[11:35] <SudoBash> Version: 4.15.0.163.152
[11:35] <SudoBash> there should be a version for 4.15.0.162.151?
[11:37] <SudoBash> Unpacking linux-headers-4.15.0-162-generic (4.15.0-162.170) over (4.15.0-162.170) ...
[11:37] <SudoBash> I already have that installed that you referenced
[11:37] <Jeremy31> I have to go, try https://github.com/Netgear-A6210-linux-driver/Netgear-A6210 as that has been updated more recently
[11:37] <SudoBash> which again, linux-headers-(uname -a) is different than linux-headers-generic
[11:38] <Jeremy31> uname -r
[11:38] <SudoBash> ok yea, but linux-headers-generic gives the dev tools to build kcompile stuff or something like that
[11:38] <SudoBash> janky that it's missing for 162
[11:39] <SudoBash> janks that 163 is hanging
[11:39] <SudoBash> I'll try your new version which is what I tried on Ubuntu 20.04 5.4
[11:40] <SudoBash> and initially on 18.04.1 4.15.0-29
[11:40] <SudoBash> let me try that real quick one sec
[11:41] <SudoBash> running make
[11:41] <ogra_> SudoBash, 18.04.1 ? thats super outdated ... any reason to not use 18.04.6 (which should come with a 5.4 kernel already)
[11:42] <SudoBash> lol yea you're late to the conversation
[11:42] <SudoBash> I've had to jump through hoops to make a new PoS netgear adapter work
[11:42] <ogra_> yes, i saw the backlog
[11:43] <SudoBash> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'mt7662u_sta': Exec format error
[11:43] <SudoBash> Jeremy31 with your "new" github source, same thing.. install -m 644 -c mt7662u_sta.ko /lib/modules/4.15.0-162-generic/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/
[11:43] <ogra_> exec format error looks more like you compiled for the wrong architecture
[11:43] <SudoBash> lol yea
[11:44] <ogra_> are you cross building ?
[11:44] <SudoBash> Hey! at least the vermagic is updated!
[11:44] <SudoBash> vermagic:       4.15.0-162-generic SMP mod_unload modversions
[11:44] <SudoBash> no I'm not cross building, I'm building for current kernel
[11:45] <SudoBash> uname -r: 4.15.0-162-generic
[11:45] <SudoBash> vermagic:       4.15.0-162-generic SMP mod_unload modversions
[11:45] <ogra_> well, then you shoudl not get an exect format error ... that indicates either the wrong toolchain or wrong target architecture
[11:45] <SudoBash> sudo modprobe mt7662u_sta
[11:45] <SudoBash> modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'mt7662u_sta': Exec format error
[11:45] <SudoBash> yes
[11:45] <SudoBash> I've established that actually
[11:46] <SudoBash> so what are those build tools I'm missing?
[11:46] <SudoBash> or headers?
[11:46] <SudoBash> no
[11:46] <ogra_> wrong headers wouldnt get you an exec format error ...
[11:46] <SudoBash> everything is installed except: linux-headers-generic
[11:46] <ogra_> (just a vermagic one)
[11:47] <SudoBash> which I can't install for this kernel apparently
[11:47] <SudoBash> and the kernel I can install that for hangs at initramfs
[11:47] <ogra_> how exactly
[11:47] <SudoBash> how to which one?
[11:47] <SudoBash> the hang?
[11:47] <ogra_> hw doe it hang ? where does it stop
[11:47] <ogra_> *does
[11:48] <ogra_> *how
[11:48] <SudoBash> saying loading initial initramfs
[11:48] <SudoBash> 162 boots 163 hangs
[11:48] <SudoBash> 4.15.0-162
[11:48] <ogra_> no further output from there on on the consle ?
[11:49] <SudoBash> hard freeze, no ctrl alt f-nothing
[11:49] <SudoBash> nothing
[11:49] <SudoBash> have to reset
[11:49] <SudoBash> hard reset
[11:49] <SudoBash> I know more than your average linux user btw
[11:50] <ogra_> did you try to regenerate it manually using update-initramfs ?
[11:51] <SudoBash> yeap
[11:51] <SudoBash> I have 163 installed now too actually if you want me to retry
[11:51] <SudoBash> but I'll have to reboot obviously
[11:51] <SudoBash> oh and I probably need to install modules-extra
[11:51] <ogra_> you deinitely should, yeah
[11:51] <ogra_> *definitely
[11:52]  * ogra_ glares at his fingers ... 
[11:52] <SudoBash> oh great apt is broken now
[11:52] <SudoBash> it's making me run apt --fix-broken install
[11:53] <ogra_> looks like your tinkering messed up some dependencies then
[11:53] <ogra_> do what it suggests
[11:54] <SudoBash> sudo update-initramfs -k all -c
[11:54] <SudoBash> creating new
[11:58] <SudoBash> ok I think that should boot, brb
[12:00] <SudoBash> I'm staring at it frozen again, using a different machine to chat:
[12:00] <SudoBash> Loading Linux 4.15.0-163-generic
[12:00] <SudoBash> Loading Initial ramdisk ...
[12:00] <SudoBash> _
[12:01] <SudoBash> after what you said on updating initramdisk
[12:01] <SudoBash> been sitting for 2 minutes I guess?
[12:01] <SudoBash> should have gotten past that, so I'm going to reset and go back into 162
[12:02] <ogra_> i'd leave it sitting until you get an actual error
[12:02] <SudoBash> it's supposed to get past that very quickly
[12:02] <ogra_> there are various bits in the initrd that use 2min timeouts
[12:02] <SudoBash> It's loading the 163 recovery
[12:02] <SudoBash> or I am rather
[12:03] <SudoBash> gave up on waiting for root file system device
[12:03] <SudoBash> drop to initramf BusyBox shell
[12:03] <ogra_> okay
[12:04] <SudoBash> it suggests check rootdelay and missing modules, etc
[12:04] <ogra_> so your disk controller driver or some other bit from the HDD stack is missing
[12:04] <SudoBash> I installed modules and modules-extra for 163
[12:04] <SudoBash> but it boots 162?
[12:04] <SudoBash> yea okay
[12:04] <ogra_> is this booting from some internal disk, SD card, USB stick ?
[12:04] <SudoBash> SSD
[12:05] <SudoBash> 162 boots!
[12:05] <SudoBash> I have 162 and 163 installed
[12:05] <SudoBash> 162 because 163 does this
[12:05] <SudoBash> I had 29 installed, but removed it when I got 162 working
[12:05] <SudoBash> I can boot 162 right now when 163 does this
[12:06] <SudoBash> I can see some dmesg even
[12:07] <SudoBash> oh apparently I can't type anything at the busybox prompt
[12:07] <SudoBash> so definitely missing some driver modules
[12:08] <SudoBash> booting back to 162 to check
[12:09] <SudoBash> 162 boots in like 5 sec
[12:09] <ogra_> well, i wonder how you got into that state (163 not booting) .... it surely works for all others
[12:10] <ogra_> and there should definitely be USB HID drivers in the initrd to allow keyboard input
[12:10] <SudoBash> after installing 18.04.1 it does that on initial upgrade
[12:10] <ogra_> (as well as disk/controller drivers)
[12:10] <SudoBash> it will update you to 163 and that's what I get
[12:11] <SudoBash> yea I got some of that same stuff when modules-extra wasn't installed on 162, I'm using a logitech unifier
[12:11] <SudoBash> I'm checking modules
[12:11] <ogra_> looking at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/4.15.0-163.171 there is really nothing exotic in the changelog ... or anythig that could cause this
[12:12] <SudoBash> modules and modules-extra is already installed for 4.15.0-163
[12:12] <SudoBash> are*
[12:12] <SudoBash> 163-generic
[12:13] <SudoBash> I'm on an AMD FX-8320, nothing special, pretty old
[12:14] <SudoBash> wait
[12:14] <SudoBash> I get an error on that update-initramfs about modules for 163
[12:15] <SudoBash> could not open tmp dir for modules.order and modules.builtin
[12:15] <ogra_> "pretty old" -> it was new when 18.04 was new ...
[12:15] <SudoBash> No such file or directory
[12:15] <SudoBash> it's AMD64
[12:15] <SudoBash> every linux has always worked on this thing
[12:16] <SudoBash> I've installed every ubuntu version on this back to 2016
[12:16] <ogra_> right, just saying 🙂
[12:16] <ogra_> there is no reason why 5.4 should not work though
[12:16] <SudoBash> the update-initramfs error is in depmod
[12:16] <SudoBash> 5.4 does work, just not for that wireless device
[12:17] <SudoBash> the only thing I've seen it work on thus far is 4.15.0-29
[12:17] <ogra_> well, the GH page says it was tested up to 5.7
[12:17] <ogra_> i peronally would ditch 4.x and try to make it work on 5.4
[12:17] <SudoBash> that means jack to me if ubuntu 20.04 doesn't work, plus 18.04 is supposed to be LTS just like 20.04
[12:18] <ogra_> sure ... it is LTS ... but you are manipulatig it
[12:18] <SudoBash> 18.04 is faster in just about every way, plus no connections to ubuntu
[12:18] <SudoBash> 20.04 boots slowers
[12:18] <SudoBash> everything is slower about 20.04
[12:18] <SudoBash> and above
[12:19] <ogra_> not for me 🙂
[12:19] <SudoBash> then you forgot how fast 18.04 is
[12:19] <SudoBash> I've used both back and forth
[12:19] <SudoBash> after 20.04 came out
[12:19] <SudoBash> 18.04 is faster in every way, especially boot
[12:20] <ogra_> heh, well, i skipped 18.04 in fact ... most of my machies went from 16.04 to 20.04 and i cant really se a difference
[12:20] <SudoBash> kernel 5 has bloat now
[12:20] <ogra_> (regarding boot times)
[12:21] <SudoBash> this isn't really modifying, it's just compiling a wireless driver
[12:21] <SudoBash> I've done nothing but install 18.04.1 and do sudo apt-get update and then an upgrade
[12:21] <SudoBash> and it breaks
[12:21] <SudoBash> that's Ubuntu
[12:21] <SudoBash> not me
[12:22] <oerheks> try dist-upgrade ..
[12:22] <SudoBash> f no
[12:22] <SudoBash> I know better than that
[12:22] <SudoBash> that's been broken for over a decade
[12:22] <oerheks> dist-upgrade does not upgrade to a higher version, ..
[12:22] <oerheks> !distupgrade
[12:22] <SudoBash> it always breaks Sh1t
[12:22] <SudoBash> ALWAYS
[12:22] <oerheks> no, it does not.
[12:23] <SudoBash> I've never seen it not break something
[12:23] <ravage> you seem to know a lot of things better. i will get some popcorn
[12:23] <SudoBash> I've been on ubuntu since 2006
[12:23] <SudoBash> it always used to break X
[12:23] <SudoBash> especially with nvidia
[12:23] <SudoBash> so don't give me that bs, that will upgrade kernel
[12:24] <SudoBash> if someone is trying to stay on a specific LTS, than that would be considered a sabotage type of suggestion
[12:25] <SudoBash> an upgrade to a currently supported LTS should work fine
[12:25] <oerheks> dist-upgrade does not pull in 20.04 dude
[12:25] <SudoBash> yea but upgrades to 18.04.6
[12:26] <SudoBash> I should have taken this PoS wireless adapter back, what a rip off
[12:26] <SudoBash> it crashes and windows and only works on linux 4.15.0-29, I'll never buy netgear anything ever again
[12:26] <SudoBash> in windows*
[12:27] <SudoBash> I'm talking windows 10 latest full updates
[12:28] <SudoBash> so what does the dist-upgrade do oerheks?
[12:28] <SudoBash> wait wait wait
[12:29] <SudoBash> I think I know what is going on
[12:30] <SudoBash> when I modinfo the /lib/modules .ko file, I get the correct verinfo file
[12:30] <SudoBash> but when I run modinfo on the mt7662u_sta I get verinfo for 4.15.0-29 instead of 162
[12:30] <SudoBash> I get verinfo 162 on the .ko file but .29 on the module name
[12:30] <SudoBash> so It's trying to load the 29 module somehow?
[12:44] <SudoBash> okay nvm, it works for 162 if the module is the right place.... OOOPS
[12:44] <SudoBash> 163 still doesn't work, but at least it's working on 162
[12:45] <SudoBash> thanks for your both of your help
[12:45] <pagios> hey guys do you guys recommend any nice email osluitoon? i am thinking dovecot,postfix,spamass, mysql
[12:46] <SudoBash> I encourage you to check the upgrade path from 18.04.1 to 4.15.0-163 because it's broken, but whatever maybe it doesn't matter
[12:47] <ogra_> there are literally tens of millions or users on 18.04, i assume there would be quote an outcry if it broke for many of them ...
[12:48] <ogra_> s/or/of/
[12:48] <ogra_> *quite
[12:48] <ThinkT510> you should run updates more often
[12:48] <SudoBash> install 18.04.1 instead of 18.04.6 and do and sudo apt-get update and then a sudo apt-get upgrade
[12:49] <pagios> ?
[12:49] <SudoBash> that will take you from 4.15.0-29 to 4.15.0-263
[12:49] <SudoBash> 163
[12:49] <SudoBash> maybe it was DKMS on this module?
[12:50] <SudoBash> breaking all modules
[12:50] <ogra_> DKMS wouldnt break your disk controller so it times out finding your root disk
[12:51] <SudoBash> one sec, I have an error to share relating to 163 that I think is relevant if you care?
[12:51] <ThinkT510> SudoBash: why not file a bug report?
[12:52] <SudoBash> 1: they're too complicated 2: too time consuming 3: they get ridiculed to hell
[12:53] <SudoBash2> depmod: WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_9N63D6/lib/modules/4.15.0-163-generic/modules.order: No such file or directory
[12:53] <ThinkT510> they are probably ridiculed because you haven't tested properly
[12:53] <oerheks> when you are still on 18.04.1, filing a bugreport is useless
[12:53] <SudoBash> I've never submitted one, because they're ridiculed so badly and harshly........
[12:53] <ogra_> 1) "ubuntu-bug linux" isnt really complicated .... 2) you surely spent more time chatting here than it takes to write a few lines ybout your prob in a bug ... not sure what you mean with 3)
[12:53] <SudoBash2> depmod: WARNING: could not open /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_9N63D6/lib/modules/4.15.0-163-generic/modules.builtin: No such file or directory
[12:54] <ogra_> thats not an error
[12:54] <ogra_> it says "WARNING" in capital letters even 🙂
[12:54] <SudoBash2> well that's the only different in 162 and 163
[12:54] <SudoBash2> ONLY
[12:54] <ogra_> nothing fatal really ...
[12:54] <SudoBash2> when doing update-initramfs
[12:55] <SudoBash2> that's the only difference I can tell so far
[12:55] <SudoBash2> I have wifi working on 162 now tho so thanks, even tho I found the problem myself, the chat helped get me there
[12:56] <ThinkT510> perhaps invest in a rubber duck
[12:56] <SudoBash2> wtf is that supposed to mean
[12:57] <ThinkT510> rubber duck typing is a common debugging procedure
[12:58] <SudoBash> I articulated the issue fine and provided plenty of output
[12:59] <SudoBash> it's always the end users fault if a bunch of autistic linux nerds can't understand normal language?
[13:01] <oerheks> keep this channel family friendly, thanks
[13:02] <ogra_> SudoBash, you should be aware of https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2021-3744 and https://ubuntu.com/security/CVE-2021-3764 if you plan to keep using -162 in production ...
[13:02] <SudoBash> great so linux sucks and switch to FreeBSD?
[13:03] <ogra_> just use a security maintained kernel 🙂
[13:03] <ogra_> (like 5.4 if you have issues with 4.x)
[13:03] <SudoBash> lol I was on 5.4 because of these same issues
[13:04] <SudoBash> and switched to 18.04 because of these sisues
[13:04] <SudoBash> issues
[13:04] <SudoBash> sysues
[13:04] <ogra_> you said you switched because 5.4 boots slower
[13:04] <SudoBash> nah mainly to get this netgear wifi working
[13:04] <SudoBash> and then I noticed that
[13:05] <SudoBash> how would I know 18.04 boots quicker before switching from 20.04 :-P
[13:05] <SudoBash> I guess on the upgrade to 20.04 maybe but that was a long time ago
[13:05] <ogra_> dunno, as  said, i didn bserve that on any machine
[13:05] <ogra_> *observe
[13:06] <SudoBash> okay, so what is the upgrade path from 18.04 to 5.4?
[13:06] <SudoBash> and does 163 fix that cve?
[13:06] <SudoBash> HWE?
[13:07] <ogra_> linux-generic-hwe-18.04
[13:07] <SudoBash> just install linux-image-5.4?
[13:08] <ogra_> and yes, the CVE is fixed in 163 too
[13:09] <SudoBash> installing 5.4.0-91, is that recent?
[13:09] <SudoBash> 5.4.0-91.102~18.04.81
[13:09] <SudoBash> err .1
[13:12] <oerheks> for 18.04.6 + HWE  ?
[13:12] <oerheks> !hwe
[13:12] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-hwe-5.4/5.4.0-91.102~18.04.1
[13:13] <Slartibart> I found the following line from dmesg: 'igc 0000:03:00.0 enp3s0: renamed from eth0'. No mentioning eth0 or enp3s0 after that. But if I run ifconfig neither interface shows up either o_0. Shouldn't they(at least one of them) do that?
[13:13] <SudoBash> that just slowed my boot down significantly from 5 sec to like 1 minute
[13:13] <SudoBash> literally
[13:14] <oerheks> only the 1st time, i gues, if there is a DKMS package to build
[13:14] <SudoBash> trying again, shutdown slow
[13:15] <SudoBash> still trying to shutdown
[13:15] <SudoBash> wow, so who broke Linux?
[13:15] <SudoBash> still trying to shutdown
[13:16] <SudoBash> still trying to shutdown
[13:16] <SudoBash> Cool so Ubuntu is like Windows now?
[13:16] <aurolac> are you using wayland/x or cli ?
[13:17] <SudoBash> its hanging on the netgear device
[13:17] <SudoBash> mt76x2u vendor request req: 47 off:9018 failed:-110
[13:18] <SudoBash> cool so Linux is like Windows now and just hangs on shutdown for stupid reasons
[13:18] <ogra_> stupid reasons -> seemingly because you broke it
[13:18] <SudoBash> oh cool, pull the usb netgear device, get another error, then shutdown
[13:19] <SudoBash> no linux has always done this stupid stuff
[13:19] <ogra_> not for millions of other users
[13:19] <SudoBash> I'm 35 and I've been using Linux since I was 12 and I've been a Linux admin and system engineer, don't give me that shit
[13:19] <SudoBash> started with mandrake 7 old school, so spare me
[13:19] <ogra_> tame your language please ....
[13:21] <SudoBash> I've also built distro's, I know Linux, and I know how many times Ubuntu has broken for users too
[13:21]  * ogra_ is 51 and started way before mandrake existed ... yet i still manage to break my installs at times with tinkering ... your argument is moot ... 
[13:21] <SudoBash> all you have to do is look at the millions of posts in the forums stretching back to the beginning to know you're trying to pass off some BS with that statement
[13:22] <SudoBash> yea yea, my brother was an original slackware user
[13:22] <SudoBash> whatever, Linux has ALWAYS had problems
[13:23] <SudoBash> now it's starting to behave like Windows in newer versions
[13:23] <aurolac> so stop whining like a little bitch and use another distro
[13:23] <SudoBash> yea I might just do that
[13:23] <ogra_> note that this is a supprt channel ... we have other channels wheer you can do ranting 😉
[13:24]  * ogra_ points to #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-discuss 
[13:24] <SudoBash> I might just make a new one with a sensible default desktop manager like lightdm and sensible default window manager like mate
[13:25] <ogra_> why not just use ubuntu-mate then ? it comes with both ...
[13:25] <aurolac> install gnome-boxes and try different setups, till you find a nice one
[13:25] <SudoBash> because the suggestion was to get off of Ubuntu
[13:26] <ogra_> only if you feel like ubuntu does not fit your needs
[13:26] <SudoBash> I guess that's the best suggestion I've heard thus far, since that's the answer you get when Ubuntu devs break Linux
[13:26] <SudoBash> and then try to blame the users
[13:27] <SudoBash> where are the friendly, sensible distros?
[13:28] <jkc> SudoBash: A poor craftsman blames his tools. Ubuntu is a very friendly, sensible distro, for both desktops/workstations/laptops and services.
[13:28] <jkc> I'm sorry that you take ill-advised actions with your systems that lead to instability and issues, but I'm sure you can learn to be more competent. Just a skillset you need to develop. :)
[13:28] <SudoBash> @jkc, I'm a developer man.. It's not poor craftsman, I've been using ubuntu for over a decade and watched it decline over many years
[13:29] <jkc> Development has about zero to do with system administration.
[13:29] <jkc> So, new skillset for you to learn.
[13:29] <SudoBash> I was a system admin and then a system engineer before becoming a dev.....
[13:29] <SudoBash> I've built distro's
[13:29] <ogra_> !ot ....
[13:29] <SudoBash> you all just like to think everyone is an idiot
[13:29] <ogra_> !offtpic ...
[13:29] <ogra_> !offtopic ...
[13:29] <ogra_> geez
[13:29] <SudoBash> I think there is a syndrome for that
[13:30] <jkc> ogra_: Before coffee?
[13:30] <oerheks> this mt7662u_sta  driver is build on old unmaintained code. so it is a hw issue, not an ubuntu issue
[13:30] <ogra_> jkc, somehow, yeah
[13:30] <oerheks> but rant away, we don't care
[13:30] <ogra_> before brain 🙂
[13:30] <SudoBash> I said before, it was literally the only thing in the store........ :-|
[13:31] <SudoBash> and it's a desktop not a laptop
[13:33] <SudoBash> ok that new module someone sent from github, does work on this new 5.4 kernel
[13:33] <SudoBash> so why aren't these modules included in Ubuntu if it's so old?
[13:33] <SudoBash> or ANY module for them?
[13:33] <ogra_> Ubuntu includes what upstream includes
[13:34] <SudoBash> These are the ONLY things in stores right now...
[13:34] <SudoBash> whatever...
[13:34] <ogra_> (sometimes backported from linux-next if there is a chance the stuff shows up in the next release)
[13:35] <Slartibart> Is it possible that ubuntu doesn't auto mount network interfaces? ..that I need to write an netplan file or something for it to show?
[13:35] <SudoBash> the original chipset is like 6 years old!
[13:35] <SudoBash> slartibart, I believe you can actually include network mounts in fstab
[13:35] <oerheks> mt7662u_sta is much older, and always been a trouble maker..
[13:36] <jkc> Slartibart: Correct.
[13:36] <SudoBash> if it's so old then why isn't it included in Ubuntu?
[13:36] <jkc> At least, from everything i know. o.o
[13:36] <jkc> netplan configs are pretty easy to write, but I'll help you with it if you need.
[13:36] <ogra_> SudoBash, ask linus ?
[13:36] <ogra_> he's the gatekeeper
[13:36] <SudoBash> netplan syntax isn't intuitive at all....
[13:37] <SudoBash> these are the only wireless devices available in some stores right now because of shortages every where
[13:37] <Slartibart> Alright, thanks both, looking into it.
[13:37] <SudoBash> Slartibart what kind of network mount?
[13:38] <ogra_> Slartibart, netplan.io has a bunch of easy to follow examples for typical card setups ...
[13:38] <ogra_> just check the website
[13:39] <ogra_> and if you get stuck we can help further ...
[13:40] <SudoBash> pretty sure I'm stuck smb shares in fstab for a custom network linux clamav scanner before
[13:40] <SudoBash> I've*
[13:40] <SudoBash> not sure if NFS would work or not
[13:41] <jkc> Slartibart: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dcY9Rwxj6J/
[13:41] <jkc> That's just a super-basic dhcp config.
[13:43] <jkc> (obviously replace eth0 with your interface name)
[13:44] <Slartibart> SudoBash: My bad, poor choice of words. I meant ethernet ports. It works in windows, so it's there. Ubuntu so far hasn't acknowledged it though.
[13:44] <Slartibart> jkc: Thanks :), looking into it.
[13:44] <SudoBash> what was wrong with network interface files? who forced the switch to netplan anyways?
[13:45] <oerheks> netplan is linux wide, so get used to it
[13:45] <ogra_> SudoBash, ifupdown was deprecated upstream around 2009 ... it has simply not been maintained in a long time
[13:45] <SudoBash> you mean it was old code that worked?
[13:45] <oerheks> old code with ugly limitations
[13:46] <ogra_> and no upstream to fix them
[13:46] <SudoBash> ok yea I can agree with that a little I guess
[13:46] <jkc> I replace the network manager on every system with netplan/networkd.
[13:46] <jkc> Because it just always works.
[13:46] <SudoBash> netplan syntax could be a little more intuitive
[13:47] <ogra_> well, NM is great if you have mobile connections ... i dont think netplan can cope well with that yet
[13:47] <SudoBash> the simple configs are easy but advanced configs are just not intuitive at all
[13:47] <jkc> netplan can use NM as its backend, though I'm not sure what limitations may exist.
[13:47] <SudoBash> I use network-manager for anything GUI, netplan for servers
[13:48] <ogra_> yeah, netplan can use NM as backend but NM is integrated with modem-manager to actually drive the modems properly ...
[13:49] <jkc> netplan doesn't change that. It hands the config off to NM, and NM does what NM would do if those configs were created directly.
[13:50] <ogra_> sure
[13:50] <ogra_> you still need NM to manage the devices ... and if you d that you can as well just use nmcli/nmtui instead of netplan ...
[13:51] <jkc> netplan is a lot less cumbersome :D
[13:51] <ogra_> though the great thing is that you dont have to 🙂
[13:51] <jkc> Yup.
[13:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[14:09] <hejux> i was wrong about ubuntu
[14:09] <hejux> tmux new -X is back.
[14:15] <xheimlich> hi, I need help.
[14:16] <EriC^^> !ask | xheimlich
[14:16] <xheimlich> yes, I thought I'd try a begging component. I'm out of ideas. I'm not very smart, it seems.
[14:16] <xheimlich> Anyway, I can't install python3.10 from apt
[14:17] <oerheks> on what ubuntu version?
[14:17] <xheimlich> my uname -a says "#90~18.04.1 Ubuntu SMP". I presume I have 18.04.
[14:17] <leftyfb> xheimlich: why do you need 3.10?
[14:17] <xheimlich> because importing from the typing model is annoying.
[14:17] <xheimlich> s/model/module/
[14:17] <oerheks> 2.10 is only available on hirsuite hippo and above
[14:18] <oerheks> *3.10
[14:18] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python3.10
[14:18] <jkc> It's an import, which is a single line.
[14:18] <xheimlich> eh. Python should have a better story on this stuff that lets you keep your virtualenvs, etc.
[14:19] <xheimlich> anyway, I came for that information I guess.
[14:19] <oerheks> upgrade to 21.04 or higher?
[14:19] <xheimlich> can this be done somewhat nondisruptively?
[14:19] <jkc> Or just don't worry about an import?
[14:20] <xheimlich> I don't have any other computers around.
[14:20] <jkc> And going from 18.04 - an LTS release - to >21.04 - NOT an LTS release - may not be a good idea.
[14:20] <xheimlich> jkc: have you ever seen a middlish-to-smallish Python codebase? Reading through imports is horrible.
[14:21] <jkc> I've worked with a very large Python codebase, and reading through imports is trivial.
[14:21] <xheimlich> yeah. I did get my gpu working for Pytorch stuff, and I'm not looking forward to tinkering
[14:21] <xheimlich> jkc: you obviously have greater brainpower than me.
[14:21] <jkc> /shrug
[14:22] <leftyfb> xheimlich: grep -R import <insert module here> /path/to/codebase ?
[14:23] <xheimlich> I spread my code in files too eagerly I guess. it helps keeping my separation of concerns straight.
[14:25] <xheimlich> Also I've just this month ripped a module from a text analysis thing to a robotrading thing. just clean off. but I end up having too many files.
[14:29] <Guest2854> no sound
[14:30] <xheimlich> I use alsamixer.
[14:30] <Guest2854> how do I restore the sound
[14:30] <xheimlich> a TUI thing. I use a crappy WM that I already knew how to use.
[14:30] <weedmic> i typed this to add a device to be managed by nmcli and it works fine, but i've been told to delete it, yet I cannot figure out how.  I have tried many combinations (all have add replaced with delete.  anyone know the format.  sudo nmcli c add type gsm ifname '*' apn gettytelecom.net.il
[14:30] <xheimlich> Migrating to xmonad was too frustrating.
[14:31] <KBar> Guest2854: What version of Ubuntu do you have?
[14:31] <xheimlich> anyway, I recommend: alsamixer for sound and nmtui for wi-fi.
[14:31] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure is a good start
[14:31] <weedmic> Guest2854: are yo sure your sound is just not going to the wrong device, like hdmi2 instaed of hdmi1 or some other place?
[14:31] <oerheks> killall pulseaudio; pulseaudio -k  ; rm -r ~/.config/pulse/* ; rm -r ~/.pulse* ## and restart your audio application again
[14:31] <Guest2854> 14.043
[14:32] <oerheks> 14.04 is dead, EOL, upgrade please
[14:32] <oerheks> no support here for such ancient version...
[14:32] <weedmic> a bit tough oerheks if he is merely aiming the sound to the wrong port
[14:32] <xheimlich> what's the procedure for upgrading in-place with relatively little hassle?
[14:32] <weedmic> click on your speaker and ensure the "output" is correct.
[14:32] <oerheks> weedmic, yes, but we have to draw a line
[14:32] <oerheks> such old version should not be connected to the internet
[14:32] <weedmic> then reboot :D
[14:33] <Maik> quote: "#ubuntu supports Ubuntu and official flavors; versions 18.04, 20.04, 21.04, 21.10 "
[14:33] <jkc> weedmic: It's not tough on one person's part. Only supported versions receive support. It's in the topic.
[14:33] <leftyfb> Guest2854: you were told 3 days ago 14.04 is not supported
[14:34] <Guest2854> ok thank you
[14:34] <jkc> Guest2854: Time to upgrade.
[14:35] <leftyfb> Guest2854: stop asking for help with sound on 14.04.
[14:43] <weedmic> nmcli con dlete gsm-ttyUSB2-1 (which is the name not the device) - works
[14:51] <polve> Hi.  What is the suggested way to install telegram-desktop?  Looks like the version currently in the repo is outdated
[14:52] <jkc> polve: snap
[14:52] <jkc> https://snapcraft.io/telegram-desktop
[14:53] <polve> Ok, I might have to learn what snap is, I have postponed it for a bit
[14:53] <polve> Thank you jkc
[14:53] <jkc> https://snapcraft.io/install/telegram-desktop/ubuntu
[14:53] <jkc> There's the how-to. :)
[14:53] <leftyfb> polve: sudo snap install telegram-desktop
[14:53] <jkc> polve: They're basically applications bundled with the libraries that they require. Doesn't depend on system-wide packages.
[14:54] <octav1a> oh snap
[14:54] <jkc> polve: And what leftyfb said is correct for all currently-supported Ubuntu releases.
[14:55] <jkc> I couldn't remember which Ubuntu versions required you to install snapd first.
[14:56] <leftyfb> none that are supported
[16:36] <cambrian_invader> tomreyn: looks like it was a mirror issue of some kind; today I can update without issue
[16:46] <fizzsie> hello?
[16:53] <Kuleshov> http://streamer.psyradio.org:8010/progressive/ MUSIC
[16:53] <leftyfb> Kuleshov: STOP
[16:54] <leftyfb> !op | Kuleshov has been told several times to stop spamming here
[16:56] <oerheks> lets wait for the kline
[17:05] <ranjith> hi
[17:06] <leftyfb> oerheks: they have been posting since the beginning of the month
[17:06] <ranjith> I have repaired my touchpad and replace with my new touchapad but now the touchpad is working but no scrolling. The kernel detected the touchpad as generic mouse
[17:07] <ranjith> Please help
[17:07] <oerheks> ranjith, what makes you think it is a software issue?
[17:08] <ranjith> no touchpad option in settings ?
[17:08] <Kuleshov> Install Windows 11
[17:08] <oerheks> Kuleshov, you are not helpfull.
[17:08] <Kuleshov> sorry
[17:08] <ranjith> is there any anything i can do?
[17:11] <oerheks> ranjith, what is the output of 'xinput' ? paste it on paste.ubuntu.com
[17:11] <ranjith>  Virtual core pointer                        id=2    [master pointer  (3)]
[17:11] <ranjith> ⎜   ↳ Virtual core XTEST pointer                  id=4    [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:11] <ranjith> ⎜   ↳ PS/2 Generic Mouse                          id=11    [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:11] <ranjith> ⎜   ↳ PixArt Lenovo USB Optical Mouse             id=12    [slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:11] <ranjith> ⎣ Virtual core keyboard                       id=3    [master keyboard (2)]
[17:11] <ranjith>     ↳ Virtual core XTEST keyboard                 id=5    [slave  keyboard (3)]
[17:11] <oerheks> !paste
[17:14] <jhutchins> ranjith: Do you have any information on the make or model of the new touchpad?
[17:15] <TomyLobo> hi, I'm trying to get my old wsl setup working again. I used ubuntu, KDE Konsole, cygwin's X server and it all just worked. now I updated it to wsl2 and a new ubuntu version (20.04) and it no longer works cause it's missing a platform plugin for X11. is there any way to install that?
[17:15] <ranjith> lenova ideapad 15ibd 80qq
[17:16] <leftyfb> !wsl | TomyLobo
[17:16] <TomyLobo> that's not helping
[17:17] <leftyfb> TomyLobo: look into reverting to xorg on 20.04 as opposed to wayland maybe
[17:17] <oerheks> use the wsl docs ? https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/setup/environment
[17:18] <TomyLobo> that requires win11, unfortunately
[17:18] <TomyLobo> "You will need to be on Windows 11 Build 22000 or higher to access this feature. You can join the Windows Insiders Program to get the latest preview builds.
[17:18] <TomyLobo> "
[17:19] <leftyfb> TomyLobo: ok, good luck
[17:19] <TomyLobo> i just found out the plugin isnt named x11 but xcb. maybe I can find the package under that name
[17:19] <leftyfb> TomyLobo: you really should just use a VM if you need to run the graphical applications
[17:20] <TomyLobo> why?
[17:20] <TomyLobo> I just want a better console than the default thing
[17:20] <leftyfb> TomyLobo: because Ubuntu desktop on WSL isn't supported officially
[17:20] <TomyLobo> it worked fine before
[17:20] <oerheks> or try #windows-wsl here on #livera
[17:21] <oerheks> c/libera
[17:21] <oerheks> but i remember you asked this before..
[17:22] <TomyLobo> yes, probably several years ago and i did make it work :)
[17:23] <TomyLobo> but the update to 20.04 broke it for various reasons. one of them being the missing plugin, another being that wsl1 is no longer supported
[17:23] <oerheks> good luck !
[17:26] <TomyLobo> thanks. btw, turns out that plugin was installed all along. it's just not loading for some reason
[17:28] <ranjith> xinput list-props 11
[17:28] <ranjith> Device 'PS/2 Generic Mouse':
[17:28] <ranjith>     Device Enabled (173):    1
[17:28] <ranjith>     Coordinate Transformation Matrix (175):    1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 0.000000, 1.000000
[17:28] <ranjith>     libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled (308):    0
[17:28] <ranjith>     libinput Natural Scrolling Enabled Default (309):    0
[17:31] <TomyLobo> ranjith, please go to https://paste.ubuntu.com/ and paste your output there
[17:34] <coz_> good day all
[17:35] <ranjith> i havve ellan touchpaf
[17:38] <oerheks> ranjmy bet; hardware issue
[17:56] <jhutchins> TomyLobo: "Worked before" != supported.
[17:57] <jhutchins> WSL is a Microsoft product, only they know how they have mangled it.  It is not possible to install a standard Linux distribution on WSL.
[17:58] <TomyLobo> hah, I figured it out: wsl2 is more separated from the main os than wsl1 is. it simply cannot reach the socket anymore, because it's not reachable on localhost anymore
[17:58] <TomyLobo> so I just have to figure out how WSL's networking works and then I can this working again
[17:59] <leftyfb> jhutchins: while I agree it's very difficult for us to support WSL here, I'm pretty sure the install is just based on the official Ubuntu cloud images, just abstracted with their own hypervisor and kernel
[17:59] <trafficjam88> anyone know what this error is? The following packages have unmet dependencies: pptp-linux: Depends: ppp but it is not installed network-manager: Depends: libnm0 (= 1.30.0-1ubuntu3) but 1.32.12-0ubuntu1 is installed Recommends: ppp but it is not installed network-manager-pptp: Depends: ppp (< 2.4.7-3~) but it is not installed Depends: ppp (>=
[17:59] <trafficjam88> 2.4.7-2+~) but it is not installed
[18:00] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: please pastebin the error messages along with the command you are running, why you are running it, what version of ubuntu you are running and your end goal
[18:00] <TomyLobo> trafficjam88, do an "apt update" and try again. if that doesn't help, pastebin the output of "cat /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}"
[18:01] <ash_worksi> is there a directory I just pop on over to to run ./configure ... for various packages?
[18:01] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: no
[18:01] <trafficjam88> apt update works but apt upgrade fails with that error
[18:01] <TomyLobo> trafficjam88, emphasis on pastebin. https://paste.ubuntu.com/
[18:02] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: ( cat /etc/os-release ; sudo apt update ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:03] <TomyLobo> leftyfb, I think you might have pinged the wrong person there
[18:04] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: what do you do when you see something like (nginx manpages) `To enable a debugging log, reconfigure nginx to build with debugging: ./configure --with-debug`
[18:04] <trafficjam88> https://dpaste.com/FRMMDPBBK
[18:04] <ash_worksi> (note: nginx -V does not currently list the --with-debug option)
[18:05] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: ( cat /etc/os-release ; sudo apt install -f ; sudo apt update ) | nc termbin.com 9999
[18:06] <ash_worksi> I mean, do you just search the apt repository for a package that has that built in?
[18:06] <trafficjam88> leftyfb: https://dpaste.org/jsDq
[18:06] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: if it's not built in, you would need to compile your own package with the options and reinstall
[18:07] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: PopOS isn't supported here. Feel free to look on their web page for support options
[18:07] <ash_worksi> meaning, I have to download the source and compile, yes?
[18:07] <TomyLobo> trafficjam88, my advice would be to get rid of PPTP as soon as possible
[18:07] <leftyfb> TomyLobo: they're not running Ubuntu
[18:08] <TomyLobo> it's still sound advice
[18:08] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: yes. Though maybe you might be better served looking for support around the issue that's causing you to want to enable debug mode
[18:09] <TomyLobo> PPTP is obsolete and your data isn't safe with it
[18:09] <trafficjam88> TomyLobo: ah i found a bug reporting this issue on github, trying a solution now
[18:10] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: please seek further support from PopOS
[18:10] <trafficjam88> leftyfb: i don't need further support, i've fixed it
[18:10] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: I just want to be able to see what location block is evaluated without having to resort to things like custom variables inside the location blocks where I then have to have a global `map "" $custom_var {}`
[18:10] <TomyLobo> trafficjam88, you mean you got rid of whatever you needed PPTP for? that was quick
[18:11] <ash_worksi> (at least, not to throw an error)
[18:11] <ash_worksi> in any event, there are times where I am sort of forced to use `./configure`
[18:11] <trafficjam88> well it says to remove a .sources file and then run the upgrade again
[18:12] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: please seek further support from PopOS
[18:12] <TomyLobo> !popos
[18:13] <TomyLobo> trafficjam88, there's #system76 here on freenode
[18:13] <ash_worksi> TomyLobo: here on "Libera"
[18:13] <trafficjam88> ah cool, thanks
[18:13] <TomyLobo> whoopsy
[18:14] <TomyLobo> yes, libera
[18:14] <ash_worksi> :P
[18:14] <ash_worksi> I mean, even I was like, "wait... why doesn't that sound right?"
[18:15] <TomyLobo> i googled for it, found one on freenode, tried it out here on libera, it worked, then out of habit still said "here on libera". I am not confused.
[18:15] <ash_worksi> still said "here on freenode"
[18:15] <ash_worksi> unless that was the joke >.<
[18:16] <leftyfb> trafficjam88: https://chat.pop-os.org/ is their support. Good luck
[18:16] <TomyLobo> maybe i am confused
[18:16] <trafficjam88> thanks
[18:18] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: do you not ever compile from source?
[18:18] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: almost never
[18:18]  * ash_worksi digests that fact
[18:19] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: do you ever use nginx?
[18:19] <leftyfb> yes
[18:19] <ash_worksi> and you never find it useful to have `--with-debug` ?
[18:19] <ash_worksi> or is that one of the exceptions possibly?
[18:20] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: I never do anything with it beyond standing up a simple web server. I use apache when I need vhosts or more sophisticated hosting
[18:21] <ash_worksi> I see
[18:22] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: If you see documents that say a simple option like logging/debugging requires recompiling, dig deeper.  Most common options are configurable in popular distribution packages.
[18:23] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: You'll still see docs that tell you to recompile the kernel to enable something that's been modular for 20 years.
[18:23] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: do you mean, there might just be an apt package --with-debug already?
[18:23] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: Yes, there might be.  Worth looking.
[18:24] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: If you've hand compiled a stripped-down version for speed/efficiency, you might need to recompile to enable it.
[18:24] <ash_worksi> okay, well I seem to be quite inept at that; I tried `apt search nginx-debug` but that yielded nothing
[18:24] <ash_worksi> `apt search nginx` didn't look like anything I needed either
[18:24] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: I didn't; just `apt install nginx`
[18:31] <ash_worksi> so, if I wanted/needed to compile from source, the obvious place for the source download is Download/, would you keep the extracted source there is there a better FHS-y place like somewhere in /usr/local/src or something?
[18:31] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: so, wait is that what you meant, or did you mean that I might be able to shim that behaviour in some other way?
[18:33] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: How you set up a built environment is pretty much up to you.  Ubuntu assumes some standards if you use the apt system to download the source.  My build experience is not with Ubuntu, so I'm not much help with that.
[18:33] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: I would still dig for an already-available configuration option on the stock ngnix packages.
[18:34] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: I'm not entirely sure what `digging` entails
[18:35] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: I don't know what options the nginx-full package has compared with plain nginx.
[18:39] <ash_worksi> jhutchins: I'll try installing that
[18:42] <TomyLobo> I mean... I wouldn't compile nginx from source either, but come on, apache? nginx can also do vhosts and the only reason "sophisticated hosting" would require an apache is if it's php or something. And even that can be hosted with an nginx using fastcgi now
[18:43] <TomyLobo> ash_worksi, if you use case requires compiling nginx from source, it is either very specialized (i.e. go to #nginx instead of asking here) or you're doing it wrong (i.e. go do it right)
[18:47] <jhutchins> The reason for using Apache instead of nginx is that there's a very large body of experience and documentation for many possible scenarios.  You don't have to be a "first adopter".  Not that nginx is new, except in comparison with Apache.
[18:48] <jhutchins> ash_worksi: TomyLobo's suggestion of #nginx is a good idea.
[18:50] <TomyLobo> nginx is from 2004, older than git (2005)
[18:50] <mojtaba> Hello, does anybody know how can I add an app indicator in Gnome top bar? (basically I want to add that indicator based on the existence of a background process.)
[18:51] <llanhmod> hey guys, need tips for resolving this dependency issue: https://bpa.st/VX3A,  currently I want to start the mongdb server but I get `mongod.service not found`.  I do have mongod installed.
[18:51] <llanhmod> background: I did install mongodb-shell from .deb sources, and I think this may be causing me issues.
[18:52] <TomyLobo> that's not a dependency issue, that's a prompt. what happens if you say yes?
[18:53] <llanhmod> TomyLobo: https://bpa.st/JISA
[18:53] <TomyLobo> llanhmod, uh yup, you have a conflict :)
[18:54] <llanhmod> yeah... purging the mongodb-org doesn't help though.
[18:54] <TomyLobo> my suggestion would be to remove+purge everything mongodb-related, then only install it from *one* source
[18:54] <TomyLobo> dpkg -S /usr/bin/mongod; dpkg -S /usr/bin/mongos
[18:55] <llanhmod> hm...let me try that.
[18:55] <TomyLobo> that should show you 2 of the packages you need to get rid of
[18:56] <llanhmod> okay, so just purge those? or apt remove ?
[18:56] <TomyLobo> probably best to purge
[18:59] <llanhmod> sweet, that allowed the --fix-broken to complete. thanks, TomyLobo!
[19:03] <TomyLobo> ok now switch to a db whose official packages properly conflict with the distro packages so this won't happen again :)
[19:04] <TomyLobo> conflict as in having a Conflicts field
[19:05] <llanhmod> does that mean add the official repo to the sources.list file? did that....
[19:07] <ash_worksi> yeah, well, I am trying to keep these to general, "this is what I would do with ubuntu" questions
[19:09] <llanhmod> TomyLobo: think I'm good. thank you again: https://bpa.st/ORBA
[19:12] <llanhmod> TomyLobo: oh,,you said switch to a 'db' haha.. I'm learning on the job here...
[19:12] <llanhmod> Postgresql is my favorite but... I'm loving MongoDB
[19:17] <ash_worksi> ftr, nginx-full does not have --with-debug
[19:18] <ash_worksi> oh it doe!
[19:18] <ash_worksi> does*
[19:18] <ash_worksi> nvm
[19:21] <Guest24> you hot as f
[19:21] <Guest24> lets do it
[19:22] <Hasnain> Hello
[19:23] <ash_worksi> why does ubuntu's container insert ;5D when using ctrl+<left arrow> ?
[19:23] <ash_worksi> I thought the default distro has bindings that move the cursor?
[19:28] <ash_worksi> yeah, none of my dot files have references to backward-word
[19:29] <TomyLobo> looks like a control code
[19:31] <ash_worksi> yeah, I guess it should be mapped to \e[1;5C or something
[19:31] <ash_worksi> but I mean... I don't have a problem with it on my normal laptop
[19:31] <ash_worksi> the container prints it for some reason though
[19:31] <ash_worksi> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:35] <ash_worksi> even install nginx-full didn't yield the `nginx-debug` command
[19:35] <ash_worksi> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[19:35] <TomyLobo> ash_worksi, my suggestion would be to step back and find a solution where you dont need that command
[19:36] <ash_worksi> ok, now that I've recieved that advice twice, I'll elaborate
[19:37] <ash_worksi> right now, there is no problem; I just have serveral debug variables littered throughout my config which I would ideally like to remove if I could just create an access_log with a prepopulated variable that tells me what location is inevitably trying to be evaluated in case I have made an error in judgement for how location blocks are processed
[19:38] <llanhmod> isn't ngingx-degub suppose to be a service?
[19:38] <llanhmod> excuse me...nginx-debug
[19:38]  * llanhmod checks... confirmed
[19:38] <ash_worksi> `service nginx-debug start` yields: "unrecognized service"
[19:38] <ash_worksi> llanhmod: WHAT?
[19:39] <ash_worksi> what OS version are you running?
[19:39] <llanhmod> what what? I dont know wht context you're working under...thought it was being run as a regular command.
[19:39] <llanhmod> 20.04
[19:39] <oerheks> "To enable debugging in NGINX, you will need to compile/recompile Nginx with the “–with-debug” flag " ??
[19:40] <llanhmod> yea...configure arugments
[19:40] <oerheks> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man8/nginx.8.html
[19:40] <oerheks> and create the error log
[19:41] <ash_worksi> oerheks: yes, that's what I've been saying, but I've been told to dig deeper; plus nginx-full comes with --with-debug
[19:42] <oerheks> service nginx stop && service nginx-debug start # http://nginx.org/en/docs/debugging_log.html
[19:42] <ash_worksi> llanhmod: did you manually compile nginx?
[19:42] <oerheks> dunno, just find this with bing :-D
[19:43] <ash_worksi> I don't hear of a lot of bing users :P
[19:44] <ash_worksi> so, is there something I can `apt install` to get my ctrl+<arrow keys> working? rather than manually writting a mapping that I am sure never to commit, lose and have to rewrite?
[19:44] <oerheks> ubuntu forum uses bing, AFAIK
[19:44] <TomyLobo> ash_worksi, that's not something to install, that's your terminal and/or your shell configuration
[19:44] <TomyLobo> dont ask me for details though
[19:45] <ash_worksi> TomyLobo: but but... docker
[19:46] <TomyLobo> what does docker have to do with this?
[19:46] <ash_worksi> I guess you're saying that's part of (installed terminal)'s configuration that comes out of the box for ubuntu and such things are obviously not part of the docker image
[19:46] <ash_worksi> TomyLobo: that was what my original question referenced
[19:46] <ash_worksi> (except I used the word "container")
[19:46] <TomyLobo> aint scrolling up to read all this
[19:47] <ash_worksi> 12:23 < ash_worksi> why does ubuntu's container insert ;5D when using ctrl+<left arrow> ?
[19:47] <ash_worksi> 12:23 < ash_worksi> why does ubuntu's container insert ;5D when using ctrl+<left arrow> ?
[19:47] <ash_worksi> 12:23 < ash_worksi> why does ubuntu's container insert ;5D when using ctrl+<left arrow> ?
[19:47] <ash_worksi> ugh
[19:47] <ash_worksi> sorry
[19:47] <ash_worksi> I am used to the screen moving when I paste
[19:48] <TomyLobo> oh i thought you'd just misused the word container
[19:50] <ash_worksi> so, what do you do for like, ubuntu server? do you map them yourself?
[19:51] <AceMe> Hi all. I've noticed somehow I've lost desktop settings on my ubuntu pc. I did create a new user and the top bar and favorites bar are ok. I am asking if I can copy from the new user to the existing one somehow, thje settings without broking the destination user ?
[19:51] <AceMe> Hi all. I've noticed somehow I've lost desktop settings on my ubuntu pc. I did create a new user and the top bar and favorites bar are ok. I am asking if I can copy from the new user to the existing one somehow, the settings without broking the destination user ?
[19:52] <AceMe> oops for duplication... I've edited the line
[19:52] <AceMe> ...thought I did that
[19:52] <AceMe> :)
[19:54] <ash_worksi> well, the good news is I can print `test location` in the log using `debug` on `error_log` without using `nginx-debug`
[20:56] <eldowan> Is there a way to prevent resolvd from hammering my CPU when connected to a work VPN? When connected resolvd is using 100% of 1 CPU 24/7
[21:09] <TomyLobo> woohoo, got it all working. I had to do "xhost +<WSL2 IP>" on the host, add some firewall rules and then adjust my KDE Konsole shortcut to C:\Windows\System32\bash.exe ~ -c "cp /mnt/c/Users/<my Windows user>/.babun/cygwin/home/<my Windows user>/.Xauthority ~ && DISPLAY=172.30.16.1:0 nohup dbus-launch konsole & sleep .1"
[21:10] <TomyLobo> not sure if the Xauthority thing is even necessary anymore, but it works now and I'm not touching it
[21:19] <rfm> eldowan, I found bug 1670959 which is quite old but never resolved, which was apparently a problem between resolved and dnsmasq, where resolved would forwared to dnsmasq and dnsmasq would then forward back to resolved....
[21:20] <rfm> eldowan, it's possible that something similar is happening with your VPN which no doubt tries to fiddle with the DNS resolve config...
[21:21] <eldowan> @rfm Thanks I'll take a look at it.
[21:21] <eldowan> If I could find a way to totally blacklist this interface on anything DNS that would be lovely. This use case is IP only, no DNS on the VPN
[21:26] <rfm> eldowan, one thing in that bug that looked worth trying was setting DNSStubListener=no in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf to try to break the loop. (That stops resolved from doing local DNS caching, but if you have decent response from your real DNS server that shouldn't be noticable)
[21:27] <eldowan> I've got a hardware pfsense acting as my caching DNS server on the LAN. I'll check that stub entry as well. dnsmasq isn't running on this box (I don't think)
[23:19] <sergei> e