[14:53]  * davef waves
[14:54] <daftykins> \o
[14:54] <daftykins> got my nvidia shield tv this morning, it's working out really well... out of the box 4K HDR10 playback with Kodi and a neat remote
[14:56] <zxmpi> so you won't be lazy over crimbo you'll be studying every option on the new hardware you got before the holidays :-P
[14:57] <daftykins> eh pretty much covered it already, just set it up enough to browse to some 4K HDR content to try out, works nicely which'll do
[14:58] <daftykins> i just recently read Asimov's first 'Foundation' triple of short stories, so i could give the TV series a try now
[14:59] <davef> Maybe I should plug in my Shield, I've just been using the features on the TV because they're good enough for Netflix, etc.
[14:59] <davef> Either way, my data is exfiltrated and spied upon. 
[15:00] <daftykins> :)
[15:01] <daftykins> it's night and day faster UI wise than the TV built-in was for Amazon Prime at least, i don't really use it, i just sponge off my mum's account 
[16:05] <zxmpi> it's not sponging, it's debugging
[16:39] <penguin42> talking of which; what' the right tool these days to rip and play DVDs?
[16:39] <daftykins> MakeMKV
[16:40] <daftykins> great for tossing a disc in, ripping the main movie only 1:1 as pure I/O, no conversion/transcoding etc for max quality
[16:41] <penguin42> hmm something open?
[16:42] <daftykins> who cares when the results are the best?
[16:43]  * penguin42 sticks to open
[16:44] <daftykins> answer probably depends whether you truly mean standard definition DVDs only or blu-ray as well etc
[16:45] <daftykins> hang on it has source on the forum
[16:46] <daftykins> https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=224
[16:47] <davef> I still use the old DVD Decrypter for DVDs, but it's a Windows thing. It's the only thing I found that can rip different region DVDs without switching the drive to another region.
[16:48] <zxmpi> on mac and linux i used to use handbrake but it started having trouble with copy protection a long time ago
[16:48] <daftykins> i used to as well but MakeMKV is a much more modern choice
[16:48] <davef> I'll check it out. I've been archiving my old Red Dwarf DVDs from the UK.
[16:49] <davef> lol, looks just like DVD Decrypter
[16:58] <davef> Wait. There's a bunch of versions. Which is the one I should be using?
[17:01] <daftykins> not following you there
[17:04] <davef> There's https://www.makemkv.net/ and https://makemkv.com/ .. which is the correct one?
[17:05] <daftykins> dot com, maybe this is why penguin42 responded as he did, too
[17:26] <penguin42> no, I just prefer open source stuff
[17:27] <daftykins> yeah but it seems it *is* so i wondered if you saw the very paid looking website above to start with
[17:28] <penguin42> what makes you say it's open source?
[17:29] <penguin42> I'm not seeing links from either the .net or .com pages
[17:30] <daftykins> i don't know for sure but i linked above the forum post for the Linux version that links to source
[17:31] <daftykins> there's got to be a conflict somewhere because i thought you used to be able to buy it - i always have to hop on the forum and get the free-use license key to enter :D 
[17:31] <daftykins> kind of blurs the lines
[18:43] <diddledani> makemkv.com is the correct one
[18:43] <diddledani> it's part oss part proprietary - the business logic of breaking the encryption is heavily obfuscated binary-only
[18:44] <daftykins> mmm focus mostly being on the blu-ray generation development for that 
[18:45] <diddledani> if you're concerned about the black box, then use the snap I maintain that is heavily sandboxed as much as I can get away with without breaking it
[18:52] <penguin42> doesn't have any blurays so that's not the issue
[18:52] <zxmpi> might give it a spin over crimbo and see how it goes
[18:53]  * zxmpi wonders where i left the dvd of 'the guard'
[18:53] <daftykins> don't you mostly transcode to crap devices? :)
[18:54] <zxmpi> absolutely. with my eyesight anything above 640x480 is wasted storage :-D
[18:55] <daftykins> it's not really for you, then
[19:11] <daftykins> https://www.macrumors.com/2021/12/21/car-owner-airtag-thieves/ - saw this earlier, these things are definitely of dubious benefit
[19:49] <daftykins> ooh dear my curry is late D:
[20:19] <davef> Bad curry! No tika!
[20:19] <daftykins> good news, i got a second free beer due to the lateness \o/
[20:20] <davef> #winning
[20:25] <davef> I overpaid my credit card, I need to balance it back to zero, so therefore I will order food tonight. 
[20:26] <daftykins> :) what will you pick?
[20:26] <davef> Now, do I want a hamburger or should I consider Chinese? 
[20:28] <daftykins> both!
[20:31] <davef> Too much
[20:44] <penguin42> obviously you need a Chinese hamburger
[20:44] <daftykins> :D
[20:47] <davef> there is a place that does that, but it's ridiculously expensive
[20:51] <daftykins> when i lived in Portsmouth, i was very close to a KFC and McDonalds at a kind of biz park, i would walk to the furthest and get a sandwich only deal at one, then walk back past the other and repeat xD
[20:52] <daftykins> that's what growing up on a fast-food free island did to this guy!
[20:53] <davef> I went here a few weeks ago, it felt very.. north american.. https://www.chichestergateleisurepark.co.uk/
[20:53] <davef> there was a five guys, taco bell, kfc, mcdonalds, etc.
[20:53] <davef> all within 30 seconds walk of each other
[20:53] <davef> imagine the messy monstrosity you could make
[20:54] <daftykins> haha
[20:54] <daftykins> best location to compare the chips/fries of all
[20:56] <davef> five guys fries are usually pretty good
[20:57] <daftykins> never been to one!
[20:57] <penguin42> sounds like the Trafford centre food court
[20:57] <davef> mmm.. maybe i'll do that tonight
[22:38] <davef> the texan burger has been ordered. double, whisky bbq sauce, cheddar cheese, bacon. mmmmm.....
[23:46] <penguin42> Y'all enjoy it now